Hating on other teams
by longhorn_dan on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 PM CDT
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I hate A&M because they gave Colt a supreme cheap shot a couple years ago on a play that was over. They were trying to hurt him.
I hate USC because their coach claimed to be playing Michigan in the Rose bowl for the national championship in 2003, when in fact all the coaches had previously agreed that the BCS national championship would decide, get this, the NATIONAL CHAMPION.
I hate OU because they lobbied to win the Big 12 South last year by running up the score on weaker competition, and then took a dump in their BCS game. They make the Big 12 look bad every time they go to a big bowl game because they stink it up.
These reasons for hating are justified in my mind. I got a wake up call the other day at work, while discussing college football with a coworker. This person is an avid LSU fan, and I was surprised to learn that this person hates the Longhorns, for no apparent reason!
Side note - my wife is an LSU grad (you can imagine what it was like during the college world series earlier this year...suffice it to say we had to watch in separate rooms with the doors closed). I've always been fond of LSU.
Back to the topic of hating on other teams. Some teams and alumni just hate other teams because they are rivals. Why would anyone hate the Longhorns? Being a biased alumnus, I had never really considered this question since anyone that did not love the Horns must have a mental disorder (I give A&M and OU a pass on this, as we are rivals, but some of them probably still have mental disorders).
If you look at my reasons for hating A&M, USC, and OU, they are:
- players are mean spirited (A&M)
- coaches are whiny (USC, OU), classless (OU), and have a feeling of entitlement (USC, OU)
So other than our traditional rivals, why would anyone hate UT?
The only things I can think of are jealousy, and we have had some players have a few run-ins with the law in recent years. Remember "book 'em horns"?
I don't really have a point to bring home....just random thoughts.
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UT is a lightning rod
much like the Yankees, Cowboys, and Notre Dame. Extensive success breeds contempt. Also, a lot of people have a problem with the state itself. UT is the flagship university and, as such, is the target of misguided scorn.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
i think us Longhorn fans are perceived as pretty arrogant, which bothers a lot of people. Also, I have found that many people hate the fact that we are a really rich school (our facilities are top notch, we can get the best coaches because we can afford to pay them ridiculous salaries, etc.) And I’m pretty sure that we are considered a whiny fanbase by a lot of others.
Ooohh well…you’re always gonna have your haters…Hook ’em!!
by hooked on texas on Oct 7, 2009 11:47 PM CDT reply actions
Rich school...
Well, considering the large number of alumni, and fan base across the country and over the world, it would be hard not to have the money to compete and to have to notch facilities.
Well, Michigan’s also an extremely depressed state. Anyway, I didn’t know Michigan’s facilities were all that bad. What’s the situation there?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 8, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually not really sure
I was just trying to think of a comparable school to Texas that is not doing as well in competing. A quick Google search shows Michigan’s atheletic budget to be ~86 million while UT’s is ~108 million
Ah, right. I misintrepreted your statement as saying that UM had the large alumni and fan bases, but not the money. My mistake.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 9, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I can understand people hating us after last season
Even though I think the 45-35 campaign was justified many saw us as extremely whiny for it. Any other time I think it comes down to jealousy. Other fans can roll their eyes but not many schools can compete as much as Texas can at damn near every single sport and do it fairly consistently. We have one of the three biggest talent pools in the country for recruiting and quite a few travel out of state into Texas to try and grab up the state’s top kids. *ahem*OU*ahem* Damn cold.
So let them hate all they want because it won’t stop us from competing at a level that many schools can only dream about.
We're arrogant.
And we’re elitist.
But to be otherwise would be dishonest, and honesty is a virtue we hold in higher regard than humility.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Yes but
WE’RE TEXAS!!!!!
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by LadyLonghorninOK on Oct 9, 2009 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions
JEALOUS
UT is what other teams want their school to be.
Really?
You could say any of these exact same things about UT. People aren’t objective about college football.
- players are mean spirited (A&M)
- coaches are whiny (USC, OU), classless (OU), and have a feeling of entitlement (USC, OU)
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I know, thats my point.
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I realize that
Part of the reason I wrote this last night was because it really hit me that other teams might hate the Horns for similar reasons. You tend to not remember the egregious acts committed by your team’s coaches or players or institution.
There was really no point I was trying to make, just general thoughts. Totally an opinion piece.
Texas = the good guys
everyone else = the bad guys
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
I don’t hate anyone, because hatred is evil.
I don’t “hate on” anyone, because the phrase “hate on” is juvenile.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 8, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In defense...it is not the people that are being hated or hated on...it is the jersey. Nothing more and nothing less.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 8, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Texas fans vs.
What I notice around the college level is when a Texas fan cheers, we give the hook’em sign….. but EVERY other fan does the hook’em down sign or Texas sucks, or etc…….. You don’t see many Texas fans trying to bash other teams as often as other teams (fans) bash us…… a simple “Hook’em” and we’re good…. but it seems like other college fans go out of there way to design a shirt or a sign or a symbol to bash Texas….
On the A&M side…..When I played rugby, A&M was the ONLY team to not party or socialize after the matches… every other team would have a party lined up or a social ready to go, A&M was the only team that all rugby teams in our area hated (players)
WE ARE TEXAS.
hook’em
Did you notice some of the Arkansas fans
on Saturday when they were playing A&M and they were giving the upside down hook’em? I could care less about the razorbacks but I guess they still hate us. Oh well, add ’em to the list.
A&M Rugby
Was by far the dirtiest team I ever played against, even though the UT grad team gave them a run for their money. At least 3 fist fights broke out last time we went to college station.
additional justification
i hate usc becuase their quarterback loses the championship but says they are still “the better team” and because the ncaa is letting them get away with murder on the bush/ornstein transactions
i hate stoops because he is the lowest class, whiniest human being on earth (although i was one who did not like Mack getting involved in the 45-35 campaign – should have been left to the students.)
i don’t hate a&m – i find them pathetic.
Notre Dame
Growing up, I always hated these guys, their fans, and the officials who worked their games. Seems like “luck” was always on their side and the legend of Notre Dame football always paid off for them in the polls and on the field, no matter that year’s teams actual performance. They’ve been a non-factor in recent years but, I’m guessing, we’ll know that the program is back when we all “hate” them again.
But I finally got to attend a Notre Dame game on the campus this past weekend (v. Washington) and, I have to admit, it was something else. Not only was it a great game but the game-day traditions, religious rituals, enthusiasm of the students and the intimate and minimalist stadium (no video capability, of course no godzillatron, no music piped over the speakers, etc.) made me appreciate how unique Notre Dame really is.
And even happier that Texas finally passed them in all time wins…next up, Michigan!
I dislike religious schools on general principle
With one notable exception, Gonzaga, and that depends on the players they have in a given year…
That is an odd principle to base dislike upon.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 8, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
well, I think everybody has a right to believe whatever they want
but for me, personally, I dislike religion, so if I don’t have any other rooting interests….
by SelimSivad on Oct 8, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
fair enough...I would probably not like schools based on evolution.
That being said, most of the religious schools I am aware of are private.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does Liberty have a football team?
If they do, I’m guessing when they huddle instead of calling a play they just pray for a touchdown.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
The Liberty University Flames. They opened the season against WVU.
And I’m fairly sure it is private Wells, actually I would be shocked if there’s a religiously affiliated public university.
proud to swim home
I would probably not like schools based on evolution.
You mean, like UT?
Honestly, I’ve never understood why so many people consider religion and evolution to be inherently incompatible.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Teaching Science is one thing...
The truth of the matter is nobody knows for sure how the earth began as none of us were there! Evolution and Creationism arguments go nowhere as neither side bends. I for one think of a simple question: If all life was wiped from the face of the earth, how does the earth repopulate itself with rocks, dust, etc?
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 9, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither side bends? Science is always bending, when evidence necessitates it. Have you any evidence that refutes that?
If all life were wiped from the face of the earth, and the earth were to repopulate, it would have to be through chance encounters between the right elements over a long period of time. We’ve all heard the analogy that states that the chances of life evolving as it is merely by chance is like the odds of a tornado plowing through a junkyard resulting in a 747, but that’s only an appropriate analogy if there were encounters between tornados and junkyards going on over a period of millions or billions of years. If that were the case, then the odds of one tornado-and-junkyard encounter resulting in a 747 are actually pretty good.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 9, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis
Evolution started just after life began, not before. The theory of evolution is a scientific theory, which means that it is accepted as fact by the entire scientific community. And, understanding that this is all dangerous territory, I’ll just say that there are some rather credibly hypotheses about how life began, but yes, science has yet to discover, or even come close to discovering, how life originated on this planet. Just because science hasn’t figured it out yet doesn’t mean that a supernatural being should be getting credit for it. I’ll stop there, although I’d be happy to continue an intelligent discussion of this (if anybody felt so compelled), just not on some random thread.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Can I ask you a couple of questions?
If evolution is true and man has evolved from apes, then why are there still apes on this planet?
Yes, I believe in a supernatural being (Jesus); but what happens if I am wrong? You believe in evolution; what happens if you are wrong?
my email is
I’m perfectly happy to answer your questions, but this isn’t the correct forum for it. Shoot me an email if you want and I’ll get back to you.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Man didn't evolve from modern apes
Man and modern apes share a common evolutionary predecessor. This is a common and ignorant misconception that leads to a lot unnecessary disagreement.
But Circa1015 is correct, this is not the proper forum for this; there are plenty of places on the internet for extremely uninformed religious debate.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 9, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you just renege on your own post?
You could have left out the entire 1st paragraph and the But to make a better point.
I think you’re right. And I too am mystified about how some people came to the misunderstanding that Darwinian Theory maintains that humans evolved from apes.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 9, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If you smelled my feet after work today...
You would have been asking Lowland or Highland? I love wool socks and the 4 days a year I wear them.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 10, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Then I'll leave the "proper forum" debate to you...
…as you stately hold both positions on the topic. Cheers.
Deviation of species. Some evolve, some don’t. Your question is like asking why some people are taller than others.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 9, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Odd reason to base dislike...because they are religious? Really?
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This knocks out Georgetown, Baylor, SMU, TCU, Wake Forest (arguably, although its Baptist ties are undeniably close), Liberty, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, Portland, Fordham, Creighton, Boston College, Xavier, DePaul, Niagara, San Diego, Dayton, Duke, BYU, and a very long list of other D-I programs.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonzaga is a religious school? What denomination?
And I’m totally with you on disliking religious schools, by the way.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
jesuit i believe
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
When i've asked this questions to friends at other schools
Most give the elitist reason, which i think is pretty fair in Texas. I’ve heard the argument many times that kids at Tech or A&M are only at there schools because they could not get into UT. This may be true in some cases but is definitely not universal. We are an arrogant fan base without a doubt, but other than drunken students I would say we usually are pretty respectful of visiting fans, so a lot of the hatred isn’t justified.
how are we arrogant?
honest question. what do we say and do that makes people think we are arrogant? i went to UT and when friends from other schools came to visit, for example, they were treated well.
by Orangetower87 on Oct 8, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaqui gave a good example in his comment
Also any recruit that does not decide to go to Texas, some fans assume he must be getting paid off. For another example see Juarez’s post below.
I don't think we are all arrogant
In fact, I think most the fans that attended UT or are educated on football are great fans. I think its the bandwagon fans that give us the bad rep. The 45-35 banner last year was clever and justified, not whiny.
But also I had friends come in for the Tech game and get harassed about their inferior town, football program, and intelligence when we went out to a party in west campus. I mean if its me and my friends going at it, its all in good fun. But assuming you are more intelligent than someone you don’t know because they go to a school with lower admission standards is ignorant. Every fan base has d bags though, we are no exception.
that is so low class
man, i am sorry to hear your friends were treated that way. that is ridiculous. people in general are just throwing good manners by the wayside; i wish our students were not part of that trend.
by Orangetower87 on Oct 9, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
for example...
During last year’s Mizzou game at halftime I spotted seom Tigers fans walking through the councourse and approaching from the other direction were your stereotypical fratty rich boys with their starched shirts and silver adorned belts who are clearly inebriated. The leader of this douchey gang walks right up and gets in the face of 50 year old woman and bellows at the top of his lungs " YOU SUCK!". That is the type of behavior that perpetuates that stereotype of “t-sips”. I told the guy to “stay classy” as he walked off smiling, clearly quite pleased with his actions.
that guy needs a visit from kenny vaccaro
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
that makes me SICK
no room for that at Texas. i always took pride in Texas not doing stuff like that and its fans being (relatively) classy. i hate that idiots like that are part of our fanbase.
by Orangetower87 on Oct 9, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hating...
the fact of the matter is this, Texas will always be hated on because of a number of factors. First, we ARE the biggest state, no one wants to freeze their rears off in Alaska, and as such everything is bigger in our state. The women, the food, the sports, football in perticular. Furthermore, as the only state to have ever been declared it’s own country, we have the right and privilege to be the only state to raise our flag to the same perilous height as our nation’s colors. So, yes, we are deemed as pompous and overbearing and opinionated, as well as arrogant and as elitists. However, we have earned that right. I read a sign on a pick up truck the other day and it said: “American by birthright, Texan by the Grace of God.” I could not have said it better myself. WE ARE TEXAS!
{Blank} by birthright {Blank} by the grace of god
Does anyone know the origin of this saying? I saw a “Marylander by birthright, Terp by the grace of god” sign in Maryland recently.
Urban Myth
>> we have the right and privilege to be the only state to raise our flag to the same perilous height as our nation’s colors
Not true. Other states have the same right.
I guess I can see why people from other states think we’re arrogant. We always try to prove that we are better than them.
I currently live in Mission Viejo, CA
USC fans are not fond of UT for obvious reasons. My girlfriend is a Ok St. grad and THEY do dislike UT very much based on arrogance as she puts it. I am not a UT grad…but was raised a fan by my grandfather since I was 6 years old. I remember listening to Earl Campbell led teams on the radio while we were in the car. The arrogance must be part of success…as in Mack has never lost to Ok St. since he has been at Texas. I would hate them too if it were the other way around, but I would not call it arrogance. Success does breed contempt…whether it is jealousy or true hatred (I only feel that towards OUsux) I do not know. OU has gotten the better of us during the Mack Brown era, albeit by one or two games. But, I do not hate USC, FL, LSU, Bama, etc. All that is reserved for OU.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
Ever since I moved to the Houston area, I do hate lsu...
“Loseranna” as Dale off of King of the Hill refers to the state is a very appropriate name. There are way too many lsu fans down here and I don’t understand the whole “culture” about the school if you could call it that. The people seem very country…..and oh yeah? Did anybody know that Chad Jones pitched for lsu in the World Series against Texas? I didn’t hear that 50 times during the lsu-georgia game on Saturday!
I also think Jordan Shipley and Colt McCoy are roommates…
announcers just have to keep jabbering away...for the saavy sports fan with a memory like an elephant...
they will repeat themselves over and over again…and as teams make appearances on other networks, they all have to chime in with their $.02 on the most obviously over-reported story regarding the team.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 8, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This is stupid
I hate OU because they lobbied to win the Big 12 South last year by running up the score on weaker competition, and then took a dump in their BCS game. They make the Big 12 look bad every time they go to a big bowl game because they stink it up.
If I remember correctly UT did most of lobbying (Mack Brown coming on during halftime of the OU/OSU game ring a bell). The 45-35 plane. Sorry, it was a 3 way tie and therefore the head to heads get through out. You lost on SOS in the computers. That’s the facts. Your SOS is crap and most years is crap. Had OU played your OOC this year we would probably be 4-0 as well and our Heisman winning quarterback would not have been hurt in the first game. We didn’t stink it up in the NC game either. We held Florida to the lowest point total they had all year and if a couple of plays went slightly different we win that game. Stop your complaining and get a real OOC schedule. Not just every few years ( I will give credit for the home/home with Ohio State) but you need a good one every year. Not every 4 years.
Of course, it was completely foreseeable that Cincinnati would turn out to be a stronger OOC opponent than Arkansas last season.
Yes, I’m rolling my eyes right now.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 9, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Enighten me on the OU out of conference this year? Oh you mean Miami...
who came OUT OF NOWHERE…this was scheduled when the canes were way down…you know it. I know it. Ark also opted out this year to play only A&M at Jerrah’s palace. That is why we got stuck with Wyoming. UT and USC are talking right now for a home and home. Care to join?
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 9, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Miami, BYU, and Tulsa
You can’t fault us for teams having a bad year. Please also explain how you “know it” that this was scheduled when Miami was down. I don’t know the exact date of scheduling but Miami did win the national champions ship for 2001 and lost to Ohio State in 2002. We played the just 5 years later in Norman and this was the return game to them. Since most schedules are done years in advance I don’t see how you can make that a valid point. Please provide link showing how you “know it” that this was scheduled when they were down. All of these schools are traditionally strong schools in their own conferences. Can you say that about any of the OOC teams you played this year. Yes Cincinnati was a surprise last year but at least they come from a BCS conference which I didn’t see on your OOC this year. Washington was scheduled when they were good so you can’t fault us for taking them on in the worst year in the existance. We also played TCU last year who again is traditionally strong for their conference as is BYU. We have also played the likes of Alabama, UCLA, Oregon, among others in BCS leagues this decade. Who have you played? Ohio State, Arkansas, and TCU this decade are the only teams I can find that you have played that are worth a crap I give you credit for Ohio State and Arkansas as even though last year was a down year they are at least traditionally a decent school. Man up and admit your team plays no one on most years.
I did the work for you....
Enighten me on the OU out of conference this year? Oh you mean Miami… who came OUT OF NOWHERE…this was scheduled when the canes were way down…you know it. I know it.
What I know is the Miami game was schedule in Feb of 2006 right after Miami had a 9-3 season. Wow, that’s way down. Before you start spewing your crap get the facts.
http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/021606aaa.html
See later in thread...I conceded that the canes were scheduled when they were respectable.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 10, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It also pretty sad
That the only years you can win the big 12 is when OU is in severe rebuilding years. 2005 and very probable this year as well.
Every other conference tiebreak would have had the Horns in the conf champ game...
The Big XII had a chance to make it right this year…they did not. And I PROMISE YOU…that if roles were reversed, you beat the Horns heads up and TT was ranked 7th…obviously out of the discussion to all that mattered, you would be fuming. And as usual, in the big game, Bob got rolled again. I mean wow. Let me know when you win another BCS game…not championship, but just a game.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 9, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No, actually I wouldn't
Everyone agreed to the rules in advance. If our OOC looked as bad as yours I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. The OOC is what got us the Championship game and yours is what sank you. It’s funny the poster mentions OU as whinning when Mack Brown is the biggest whinner there is. He whinned to get you in the Rose Bowl over Cal a few years ago and whinned to try to get you in the Championship Game last year. I also wouldn’t have whined and did everything I could to make people believe it was only a tie and not include the other team with identical record that made it a 3-way tie to begin with. As far as winning the BCS game, at least we get to them on a more regular basis than you.
I realize you are from Oklahoma,
but you, sir, are removing any sporting challenge from our attempts at belittling and embarrassing you. You see, generally, according to the rules of what I can only assume is your native language (that’s English), a double consonant renders the preceding vowel short. So when you call Mack Brown the “biggest whinner,” we literate folk are reading that as Mack Brown is the biggest winner.
But, by all means, continue with your brilliant position that Florida St. is somehow more intimidating than UCLA and Cal. We’re all ears.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 10, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Florida State is going through a rough period but again the attempt is there. Florida State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Ohio State, and LSU all have National Championships to their credit. 4 of the 5 have at least one in the last 15 years. I don’t see UT going after teams that have those credentials. UCLA and Cal are decent teams and from BCS conferences so I’ll give you credit for that and rank around the Cincinnati we had on the schedule last year. But when will you schedule more than 1 BCS conference team in any given OOC year. Last year OU had 3.
As far as Mack being the biggest winner. If you think one Big 12 championship and 1 Nat’l championship is the biggest winner then I guess it’s good you have such low expectations with all your top 5 recruiting classes. Yes OU has had trouble in BCS games but at least we get there and no whinning has been involved.
Is that Idaho State on your schedule this year??? They play Sacramento State today. Whew.
BYU is about the same as Ark who vanished this year…it is what it is. Based on what I see, it appears that 4-5 years is the norm for scheduling OOC opponents. Are there exceptions, I am certain there are. My educated guess is that Miami was scheduled around 2004-2005. I will concede that the canes were a good program at that time.
You would have whined like a little baby if roles were reversed last season. You simply just say no based on knowing it will not come to fruition. And yes, all of the other BCS conference tiebreakers had UT going. Period. Do you honestly feel there was closure last season? Truly? I wonder if Utah has some opinions on the matter. Or USC. Or Texas. No true national champion in 2008. That is why it is the MNC.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 10, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
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