Postgame React: Texas Routs OSU 41-14 in Stillwater
The outcome was: exceptional. Heading into this game, I felt good about Texas' chances, but I figured the 'Horns wouldn't pull away until the 4th quarter, when the difference between the two defenses would be most pronounced. Instead, for the second straight week the outcome was all but decided by halftime. Not only did Texas's score with 9 seconds left in the half give them a commanding 24-7 lead, but the touchdown was a beautiful 11-yard strike to Malcolm Williams in the back of the end zone.
Maybe best of all, the 'Horns didn't win 41-14 on the back of a "perfect performance" or anything like that -- Texas was just the better team, with the better roster, and with sufficient depth of excellence that even on a "merely good" day, the 'Horns blew out Oklahoma State on their own field.
If we say that this season contains three big goals -- winning the Big 12, getting to Pasadena, and winning the national title -- tonight's performance was tremendous in service of the first two; with the win, Texas is in commanding position to get to both the Big 12 title game and, assuming no truly monumental upsets, the national title game. After the jump, where this week's Postgame React focuses on the less-than-great aspects of tonight's performance, the motivation will be to think about how to achieve that third goal. The current version of the Longhorns can and should win the remaining games on the schedule; but even if they do, beating a team like Florida is a different story altogether.
The Offensive MVP was: Colt McCoy (16-21 passing, 171 yards, 1 TD; 11 rushes, 34 yards; 0 turnovers). If the early season offensive struggles were equal parts Bad McCoy, Bad Greg Davis, and Bad Offensive Line, the past two weeks have been a great sign that the quarterback portion of the problem is behind us. He threw two incompletions that were simply bad throws of his own fault, but the other three were the result of pressure/nowhere to go; the other 16 passes were, of course, completions.
McCoy's 10.7 average yards per completion and 8.6 per attempt were markedly up from the rank pile of mess we were seeing early in the season, his distribution is improved, and his scrambling/decision-making on the fly is once again providing a big boost to an offensive system that depends upon it. If we take away the 2nd quarter blindside sack for a loss of 10 yards (identical, by the way, to the Austen English sack that resulted in a fumble -- pretty clearly a problem with our blitz pick up scheme), McCoy's legs chipped in an important 44 yards rushing, while at other times his scrambling was enough to avoid costly sacks, or to buy his receivers time to drift open. When your offensive design is as pedestrian as is the current Texas model, success literally depends on the quarterback's ability to make yards on broken plays. I think it too charitable to call that part of the "grand design" of the offense -- McCoy's strengths could be similarly leveraged, but in a systematic way, as opposed to serving a rescue function -- but things being what they are, it's good to see that Texas has succeeded in getting McCoy back to being McCoy.
Alongside the scrambling playmaking, the two things I most liked about McCoy's performance were the improved distribution and, not unrelated, the increased willingness to throw the deep ball. Eight games in, we've now seen why McCoy-to-Shipley can be both problematic and an enormous asset: as a near-exclusive element of the passing attack, the tendency can be troublesome, but when, as tonight, McCoy-to-Shipley is simply the highlight of a more comprehensive passing distribution, the value is easy to appreciate. While Shipley's team-best 6 catches were incredibly important, the evening easily could have turned out to be a bittersweet one had McCoy not also found a half dozen other receivers -- none more important than the two completed to Malcolm Williams: the 11-yard touchdown before half and a 44-yard gain early in the third. Both were good throws but made for difficult catches, and if along with getting Good Colt back there is any single offensive bright spot on which to focus, it's surely that Texas looked to its enormous split end down the field, and on both occasions he came through. My cries to move Shipley back to the slot were in part about how best to use the Roommate, but the other big focus was the potential upside of Williams succeeding at split end. Things are looking up.
The Offensive offensive LVP was: Greg Davis. I don't want to spend too much time on this today, since the offense is improving overall, there are several trends to like, and so forth. See above. However, it'd be intellectually dishonest not to say a few words about certain aspects of the offensive approach.
To his credit, Davis correctly thought that McCoy could exploit the Cowboys' zone defense both through the air and with his feet; to that end, the five-wide, empty set playcalling was not entirely senseless. That being said, there's an obvious and important difference between timely using such a formation as a component of a broader game plan and, as we saw tonight, exclusively deploying the formation for entire drives at a time -- the former is a strategic deployment, the latter a pretty sad concession that there exists nothing else of value in the offense that could allow for well-rounded-ness. Put another way, while the five-wide, empty backfield stuff had its value as a weapon with which to attack OSU, that Davis went with it so early, so often was a depressing confirmation either that Texas doesn't possess the ability to execute in the running/play-action game, or that Greg Davis is simply disinterested in it altogether. In either case, the culprit is the OC.
What frustrates me the most is the overwhelming evidence that the problem is primarily Greg Davis disinterest. If Texas was simply grossly incompetent, it'd still be on Davis but there would at least be the silver lining that such knowledge could be helpful to optimizing a game plan. However that is not what appears to be the case here: for one thing, there is reason to believe that Texas can run the football with modest success, certainly enough to be useful and off which play action can be utilized. Moreover, just when it looks like Greg Davis may have abandoned the run altogether, he haphazardly turns to it at predictably inopportune times. Call it the Token Run Play game plan -- limit your offensive package with disproportionate passing, and then make the challenge even harder by wasting a dozen plays a game on token rush plays called at the wrong time, and to which you're not meaningfully committed.
With Good Colt showing up this week, the offense had enough punch to be solid, but again, to the extent the goal is to win the national championship, the obvious concern has to be whether it will succeed against another elite defense. If Good Colt shows up, and if Texas continues to get more from its full set of receivers (Williams especially), it might be just enough to win alongside a dominant performance from this defense. For Texas' title chances to be greatest, however, the offensive approach will need to evolve and improve between now and January. After tonight, I'm convinced what we see is what we're gonna get; any meaningful recalibration would be a pleasant surprise.
The Defensive MVP was: All. No fair to single out any one or two guys when the entire unit stepped up to deliver such a thrilling performance -- all told, 4 picks, 1 fumble, and 2 touchdowns scored, while limiting the Cowboys to about 3 yards per play while the outcome was still in question.
The secondary will get most of the attention for this one, but hopefully fans noticed just how good was Texas' defensive line for most of the game. Sergio was Sergio, but my lunch pail would go to Kheeston Randall for his brilliant first half -- whether blowing up double teams, destroying any semblance of an inside running lane, or making Robinson throw the ball a half-second sooner than he wanted, Randall's impact was outstanding.
Moving back from the line, Texas got its best game of the year from its linebacking corps, who were physical in the run game and disciplined in support of the passing attack. Muckelroy was a human missile, Keenan Robinson was a bull, and Emmanuel Acho was just plain unfair -- he's going to put up junior-senior seasons that would make Derrick Johnson proud.
Finally, then, the secondary -- last year's goats not only aren't giving up anywhere near as much yardage, but are, as a second-year unit, turning the ball over at an amazing pace. Four more picks tonight for the DBs, with one each from Curtis Brown (TD), Earl Thomas (TD), Chykie Brown, and Blake Gideon. So long as Aaron Williams' injury doesn't linger, his absence tonight gave Texas fans a nice chance to see how far along Nolan Brewster has come; the sophomore safety knew what he was doing out in coverage and was encouragingly physical in run support (still a weakness for Blake Gideon).
The offensive Defensive LVP was: Oklahoma State receivers. Just a quick reminder that football is about preparation, and football is about execution, but it's also a bit about plain old luck, too. A year ago, Texas caught very little luck -- be it the brutal schedule, the Gideon gimme, or the terrible outcomes from other games that hurt the 'Horns in the BCS. This tear's team is better, but also to this point a good bit more fortunate: the schedule has been helpful (including, especially, the move of the Tech game), Texas won the Red River Shootout despite the offensive no-show (thanks, in large part, to two dropped pick-sixes by OU defenders and a game-saving tackle by Colt McCoy), and now last night in Stillwater, an early assist from Oklahoma State's receivers, whose bumbling first half performance spared the Longhorns the pressure of another tight contest in the early going.
This is not to say that the Texas defense was lucky, or the team's win fortunate... Just a nod to Lady Luck, who has to this point in 2009 smiled kindly upon the Longhorns. It can only help.
On the Milk Carton: Rushing the football. Because of the Shipley fumbled punt and the Curtis Brown run-back for a score, Texas only had four offensive drive in the first half, but as discussed above, the effort to rush the football was sparse and sporadic. On the team's opening drive Davis passed his way down to the red zone before token running his way into a field goal; the three-and-out second drive included one rush for a loss of three yards; the third drive opened with three straight pass plays, before 4 of the drive's final 6 plays were called rushes (Texas' first touchdown drive of the game); the fourth and final drive of the half was all passes in the two-minute drill.
Let us pray that this week's overwhelming number of five-wide, empty set formations were mostly about Davis thinking he could particularly drill an OSU weakness with them; the game's rhythm being what it was, the sample size of offensive drives when the game was in question was notably small. There's not much to dislike about a 41-14 win, but for the reasons discussed at length above, the five-wide, empty backfield as a primary emphasis of the offense has concerning long-term implications.
Central Florida Fear Factor: 2 out of 10. (5) is the baseline. +1 for Texas's potential to start flat from being in letdown mode; -1 for the near-certainty that any flat start could be overcome; -1 for the home field; +1 for UCF's defense looking respectable so far this year; -3 for Texas' defense looking like one of the two best in the country.
Heading into next week I feel: Excited. At the very least, Texas is a very good flawed team that has an excellent chance to battle through the rest of the regular season undefeated. At best, Texas is a great team coming into its own -- already there on defense, and with time to work on optimizing the offense.
Either way, the nightmare scenario is behind us (I was fearing my ability to blog the rest of the season after a loss to OU or OSU) and the season's three big goals are all very much in play and, increasingly, within reach. I'll drink to that...
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"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Nov 1, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
completely agree about GD and the 5 wide set
everybody I was with watching the game with was very irritated when he kept using the 5 wide in the first half…………Colt nearly got decapitated once again from this set. It has its use in certain situations, but no longer is needed as our base formation. This offense has had its best and most consistent moments using the 3 wide formation….which also provides the offense with its best chance of running the football with fozzy and cody.
I shudder what to think a Bama or Florida defense could do to a GD offense revolving around the 5 wide (Oh wait, we saw that in the first half against OU).
by silky51 on Nov 1, 2009 8:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
We’re not Tech. Texas needs to be a balanced offense to the best of its ability in order to truly be as effective as it possibly can. You can’t exploit people when you get to 5 wide if you are literally running that set every other play and the defense doesn’t have to make the intellectual adjustments or physical adjustments of getting different personnel in there. It is truly important that even if we are not going to run that we present that idea of it to other teams.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Nov 1, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I don’t believe we ran 5 WR vs OU but regardless,
I’ll take the 2nd half without penalties and the red zone turnovers which had little to nothing to do with OU.
by echeese on Nov 1, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, about the above post. All that talk last night of .028
Nolan Brewster has come; the sophomore safety knew what he was doing out in coverage and was encouragingly physical in run support (still a weakness for Blake Gideon).
It’s baffling. See the man, run into the line, and lower the boom completely whiff. Maybe, it’s a fear caused by his back break from high school. It’s odd to see a safety miss on the chance to tee off on a RB in the hole.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Nov 1, 2009 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Com on Muck...
From ESPN.com
“The big prize is next week — Florida Atlantic,” said linebacker Roddrick Muckelroy. “That’s the next big prize on the menu.”
Umm, Roddrick? The next opponent is Central Florida, not Florida Atlantic. If you don’t know who you’re playing, chances are you might not be giving the Knights (as opposed to the Owls) too much respect.
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’d rather have right focus, wrong team over the alternative any day..
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Nov 1, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
He’s taking it one game at a time.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
??????
I’ve gotta ask,
WTF does Davis have to do to get any credit from some of the naysayers?
1st drive, 11 plays 65 yards up 3-0
2nd drive, punt
3rd drive, 9 plays 53 yards, up 10-0
Keep in mind this whole time OSU is running all over our D.
4th drive is a pick 6, why is OSU throwing? Oh yeah, TEXAS is already up 2 scores.
OSU pulls within 7, 17-7.
What does GD dial up?
11 plays 80 yards, knife in the heart 24-7, momentum killing (at least from OSU’s side) score.
Since Vince left, we’ve been outrushed in 8 games, we won 7 of them and the loss had little to do with the rushing stats. Run the ball/pass the ball, who cares, the goal is to move the ball. When we needed to run, we ran.
Reality check, D was struggling early, O made sure it wasn’t an issue and forced OSU out of it’s “run run run” approach.
Don’t let the humorists influence your football viewing.
by echeese on Nov 1, 2009 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My problem with GD is
his complete predictability. You could easily take your argument and say that our superior athletes took his predictable play calling and made the absolute best of it. As a coach myself, its frustrating to see a coach rely so much on his players ability and not put them in better position to succeed. For instance, if you are going to run an Empty Set for the majority of the night then you need to mix a few draws in there to keep that defense honest so they can’t just tee off on Colt off the edge like they did.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Nov 1, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Predictable????
Sorry, that is one of the weirdest comments around.
Predictable teams are VERY EASY to stop regardless of the talent of the athletes.
Ironically, most of TEXAS’ “superior athletes” are on the other side of the ball.
by echeese on Nov 1, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Go back and look at the film. We throw the ball better than 60% of the time and we operate out of about 4 different sets, spending the majority of the time in 5 wide. That is predictability. Our superior athletes help ease the pain of that.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Nov 1, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we throw the ball, we are predictable????
I’m not going to belabor this other than to say if you have an preconcieved agenda, it’s not that hard to fit facts to it.
But if “struggling” is defined as the #1 scoring offense in the nation, then bring me some more.
Predictable teams are easy to stop.
by echeese on Nov 1, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So easy Colorado could do it?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 1, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, don't get all bent out of shape.
I’m merely sharing my opinion as you asked why doesn’t GD get all the credit in the world. If anything, you’re the one fitting facts to fit your agenda.
<But if "struggling" is defined as the #1 scoring offense in the nation, then bring me some more.>
And yes, throwing the ball all the time can make you predictable. Not running out of 5 wide can make you predictable. Tendencies will always become clear.
Predictable teams be easy to stop if the talent is not that great. Our cream rises to the top.
Understand, I don’t hate GD or even think he’s terrible. I think he’s merely above average and can from time to time become completely predictable.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Nov 1, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a big GD hater...
But you do know that our defense and STs have scored 9 touchdowns? The offense is averaging about 34 points a game, which is obviously nothing to sneeze at, but that number would probably put us outside the top 10 and maybe even the top 15.
by Rickyspub on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Without taking out other teams’ D/STs scores, that puts us anywhere from 11 to 16, nothing to sneeze at since we don’t run up the score.
3 teams at that point ahead of us have D/STs scores for sure so the reality is we still have a really good offense.
It would be nice if our fans gave us the credit our opponents did. OSU’s DC, Bill Young said the key to the game was the 24-7 drive with 2 minutes left in the half.
O put up 3 drives of 9 plays or more to put 17 on the board in the 1st half including staking us to a 10-0 lead. Predictable teams don’t do that.
by echeese on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I ran the numbers out of curiousity
Texas is tied with TCU for 7th @ 34 ppg (17 rush, 15 pass, 16 fg, assuming all 32 XP’s made)
Top 10
1] Houston (40.50)
2] Boise State (39.75)
3] Texas Tech (39.11)
4] Cincinnati (37.25)
5] Texas A&M (36.13)
6] Nevada (35.38)
7] TCU (34.00)
7] Texas (34.00)
9] BYU (33.88)
10] Pittsburgh (33.75)
Other Notable:
12] Florida (32.75)
18] Kansas (31.88)
19] Ok State (31.63)
20] OU (31.25)
22] Bama (30.50)
by gwh65 on Nov 2, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's about personnel
We simply don’t have the athletes (read OL, TE, RB) to be a great running team in the current scheme. Physically we have no truly dominating offensive linemen and mentally miss too many blocks from what looks more like confusion rather than being physically overmatched. It’s a good group of 3 and 4 star caliber guys who are being asked to support a lateral blocking and running scheme with no tight end.
Given those constraints you end up playing to your strength which is the short passing game with enough runs to keep people from blindly penetrating. Having said that If we don’t start picking up weakside ends/blitzes in the five wide we are going to be starting a second string quarterback in the postseason. I would much rather see a back stay in and then flare out if the getting is good.
Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go curse images of Jerry Jones on the set this afternoon..
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 1, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
My sentiment exactly with GD. There is a good handful of similar coaching styles out there that seem to operate with this mentality: “Well, I know that their D sees [this] and we keep doing [this], but the book says [this]. Gotta do what the book says.”
I have the utmost respect for coaches/coordinators that write their own books. Of course, there is a balance to be had. Comic books usually don’t fly against superior D.
And perhaps the alleged predictability prohibits the offense from showing their true superiority. One has to imagine what that would like if they tried [this] instead.
by Infield Elephant on Nov 1, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did call a QB draw down by the endzone
that was really a nice call, but I believe it was Chris Hall who couldn’t seal off his man and Fozzy completely whiff blocked his man. Because of those two missed blocks the play only netted around 3 yards instead of a TD.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point Cheese
I think GD is prolly too maligned and Boom a tad bit over idolized. Partly due to their demeanor, as Coach Boom is fiery, inspirational, and visible on the sidelines. GD not much of a You Tube sensation.
I feel much more confident in Boom. He takes significant concerns and through development, scheme, he always solves the situation. Last year’s defensive backfield situation, and this year’s concerns at DT are shining examples.
GD though is a fine coordinator. It does seem though that he is struggling this year to get things right.
by realmccoy on Nov 1, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re-read the introduction to the post
Again, the focus here is on optimizing the offense to beat Florida (or Alabama), not merely winning out. To the extent his offense does enough to get the team a Big 12 title and to Pasadena, I’ll be damn happy, but if you honestly believe that the offensive approach this year is getting maximum value out of the players on the roster, then it’s fair to say we evaluate differently and my approach to evaluating the performance isn’t going to resonate with you (and vice versa).
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 1, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think echese has a point
First off, the idea of maximizing value is great from a theory stand point, but in practice is too easy to use as an excuse to stand behind a preconceived notion without objectively looking at the facts (I am not saying you are doing this, but it can easy been perceived as such).
Second, it is very easy in hindsight to say that play calling is obvious, but again this is something that can not be objectively proven unless you try to predict the plays before they happen. Otherwise it again is an easy argument to fit to a preconceived notion.
Looking at the first half, your damning of the 5 wide seems to me to be because you feel that to beat Florida we need to run the ball effectively, which may be true. But that really has no bearing on this game, and the five wide was effective in the first half.
From what I remember of the runs in the first drive, The first was a solid 5 yard gain. The next was a hurry up with CJ, this I think was the worst call of the bunch, mostly because CJ looked winded after the first gain. Maybe hurry up with Cody is not such a good idea. The third run from McCoy I though was actually a good call, if it was not for a horribly missed block, there was a good sized hole for Colt with a lead blocker.
The next series was crap, but I will have to wait until I get the game film to see exactly what happened.
The third series was actually the best rushing of the game. My biggest complaint is that Davis never went back to this scheme, the stealer (or steeler) series as defined by GBR. The drive had four rushes from this series all for over five yards, and they brought in the jumbo package to punch it in for the TD. If your argument is that Davis has this weapon that he never comes back to in the second half, I would agree with you. But I think it is understandable for the second half calls to be vanilla with the lead we had.
The last series of the half was a two minute drill, so no rushing there.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of that
And as I said near the end of the post, to the extent the first half playcalling was a unique combination of lack of opportunity (just 3 real drives) and a particularly strong belief about the value of attacking OSU from five-wide/empty set, then there’s nothing necessarily troublesome about last night.
Notwithstanding those caveats, I watched 4 OSU games prior to this one and, frankly, saw a very average unit that could be attacked any number of ways; in particular, as I observed before the game, the Pokes are “particularly vulnerable to counters, screens, and smartly schemed misdirection…” Nor, of course, are we making observations about Davis in a vacuum; we have what was an oftentimes very frustrating first six games of the season — and the OU game in particular — in which disinterest in running the ball was a notable problem.
And on top of that, there is the issue raised in the post throughout: I was discussing Texas in its capacity to win the national title. If, as seems likely, Texas finds itself matched with an opponent with a high-elite defense, I’ll be worried if we’re still a one-dimensional team — and particularly so if that dimension is highly dependent on short stuff.
In any case, I tried to make clear in the post that I was raising the issues that could be of concern down the road. Hopefully, they aren’t issues at all. Either way, I — like you and echeese and everyone else — am damn happy with last night’s win, and the performances of both units, including, on offense, those things that are trending the right way.
We are where we hoped to be on November 1st. Can’t ask for too much more than that, even if there’s room to talk about where (I think) we need to be by January.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 1, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In my secret fantasy...
We get to Pasadena and kill some poor SEC team by finally showing the I-formation and running it down their throats while mixing in some brutal play-action just for sh*ts and giggles.
In reality, I’ll just have to be happy with the hopes that Colt will get to take a zone-read scamper to the end-zone for the victory in a close game.
by Rickyspub on Nov 2, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with PB
that last nights scheming would spell trouble against Alabama or Florida, as it did against OU. This was one of two premier games we play this regular season, and he seemed to be scheming as if we were playing UCF. Its bothersome. The offense struggled to impose its identity on OSU in the first half, and had the final drive of the half not occurred as it did (the controversial non-fumble), that struggle may have continued to the end. As it happened, OSU more or less rolled over after 24-7.
And GD’s playcalling is most certainly not predictible only in retrospect. While one cannot sit in front of the television and script 11 plays in a row, in certain situations, one can certainly vocalize a play before it happens. I don’t know on how many occasions this season I’ve vocalized, “here comes a draw,” and in nearly every instance it has been an accurate prediction, and nearly every time it has been stuffed for a small loss. Tendencies kill. And Davis refuses to change them, even for good opponents. To say that it won’t cut it against Alabama may be a harsh sentiment after a quality win, but if you aren’t going to test your “A” game against your best regular season opponent, when will you?
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 1, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
Well, I guess it’s I’m hoping . . . that the play-calling Saturday night was a case of “survive,” as in survive and move on. I’m guessing GD saw mismatches in the passing side of our offense vs. OSU’s defenders, notably in their lack of pass rush, maybe in their limited secondary quickness. I can’t argue that his approach worked, and I’ll take it as opposed to 28-24 last year against those guys.
Still . . . PB’s got it right. We don’t establish a running game and Colt will leave the MNC in an ambulance and we’ll be stuck with Ohio State’s sad words: Wait ’til next year.
by edsp on Nov 1, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but quite honestly OSU isn't even much of a test
Bill Young has a fine resume as a coordinator, but I’m struggling to come up with a defenisve player at OSU who breaks into the starting lineup at UF or Bama.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 1, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perrish Cox
Still a Blaine Irby fan
by patienthornsfan on Nov 2, 2009 3:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tendencies
I can remember countless times where fans predict incorrectly, and then proceed to forget it and believe they can still predict what is going to happen next play. While your anecdote is amusing, I am going to remain a skeptic until I see some proof.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First,
my anecdote lacks the wit required to be considered amusing.
And second…really? You don’t watch GD’s playcalling and know what’s coming regularly? Particularly in terms of personnel changes, 3rd and short, and 1st and very long (after a penalty)? I agree that selective memory is a bitch, but isn’t there enough documentation of Davis’ predictability by now?
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 2, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am easily amused
On one hand, yes, I think you are correct that Davis can be predictable with his play calling. I think he can calls too much by the numbers and that, if followed too dogmatically, can lead to predictability.
On the other hand, most fans, either at the bar or in the stadium, who actually try to predict what the next call will be are usually wrong, but not only that they deal in absolutes that are almost completely false.
I also think his predictability actually changes from game to game. For example, the meme this year was when EBS comes onto the field, it is going to be a run. While at the beginning of the season there may have been some truth to this, Texas is actually running multiple passing plays from this formation, but people continue to say it. Remember when we used to throw deep after every turnover?
by Wells on Nov 2, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got to say the refs helped us out alot, that first half was embarrassing tilted for UT. I blame the SEC for the protecting the big guys for the BCS payday. Here’s to hoping that college football doesn’t start looking like the NBA.
Thank God we destroyed them in the second half. The defense looked totally different, getting pressure and shutting down the run, this did not happen in the first half.
by pfc on Nov 1, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stillwater is a Culdesac.
Malcom Williams just stepped it up with his TD catch. He is for real. I’m still watching replays from last night loving the fact that the culdesac of Stillwater was a ghost town after the beatdown lastnight!
Good quotes from both teams here:
http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/fb103109.html
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 1, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bothersome....
We had no pressure on the QB lastnight….luckily we didn’t need it.
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 1, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
D-line looked to be playing more contain
From my view it seemed like the D-line, and especially the ends, were playing to contain Robinson’s scrambles more than trying to get a heavy rush on him. Similar to the way the defense played early in the season.
by Horncasting on Nov 1, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think Coach Boom’s game plan was to try and pressure with 4, mix in a few blitzes and have air tight coverage. I complained about it during the game, too, that we weren’t getting enough pressure on Robinson. However, if you look at it, things worked about as well as you could hope. He hardly broke the pocket and he threw 4 interceptions so the excessive pressure wasn’t really necessary. Just another testament to Muschamp’s ability.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Nov 1, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 4 interceptions were a direct result of the pressure from the front 4.
The two safety interceptions were direct results of Robinson chucking the ball up in the face of at least two defenders crashing down on him.
I’ll take a QB-pressure influenced INT over a sack any day. Good job to the front four.
by TXinDC on Nov 1, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They were rushing in their lanes
With OSU’s ability to run the ball, the D-line had to stay in their rush lanes longer, thus hindering their pass rushing moves. As the lead grew, the D-line became less interested in stopping the run and pressure started mounting on Robinson. Although there weren’t many sacks, Robinson was forced to throw early often which caused a lot of the turnovers.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a little irritated
at the lack of game awareness on that fourth down interception on the 2.
The ensuing punt to the 30 led to their second TD.
by bob osso on Nov 1, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clearly...
we would have been better off had he batted the ball to the ground. But is it perhaps unreasonable to expect aggressive athletes to refrain from fighting for the ball, instinctively, in the moment?
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 1, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about the interception, but...
the problem was greatly compounded by (1) our inability to move the ball out of the shadows of our goal-posts (good reason to have a running game, GD), and (2) A 25-yard punt. (i don’t recall, was that another rugby punt?)
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
by OBdoc on Nov 1, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rugby punt
Yes it was a rugby punt, but the last time I recall us punting regular style with Gold deep in our territory was followed with Wyoming players dancing in the endzone. If we would’ve tried to line up in jumbo formation and run the ball to get out of the shadow of our endzone we would’ve ended up with about 6 yards gained in 3 plays and the same punt.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rugy Punt
But it was a pretty good one, the problem was, and in general is, the returner caught the ball in the air. Without much air time, the rugby punts work well when they hit the ground, as they roll a long way and are hard to field. But if it is caught cleanly the returner will get a pretty good return as the coverage does not have much time to set up.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was too, but
I was glad that Chykie decided to channel his inner Nathan Vasher in a spot where we were up and in complete control of the game rather than field a punt at the 2 with the game on the line. It’s mistakes like this that can be looked at on film this week and corrected without the threat of a loss.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two plays that need to be scrapped from the offense
1. The shuttle pass. Has not worked at all this year and Colt has made the pass at least twice while a defender was actually in contact with the intended receiver.
2. Option/speed option – has only worked once all year (with McGee) and has gone for a loss every other time it has been used.
by Horncasting on Nov 1, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can I nominate the strech run out of our own end zone with a slow accelerating RB?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 1, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shuttle pass to oblivion
I don’t remember the shuttle pass EVER working for us. Well, maybe once back when we dropped one off to Earl Campbell.
by MesquiteHorn on Nov 1, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but add...
(3) bubble screen
(4) 3-yard passes on 3rd and 5
(5) wild-horn formation
(6) rugby punts, especially left-footed.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
by OBdoc on Nov 1, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Only Downer in the Game
I really found Matt Millen to be particularly irritating. I hereby promise never to hate on Herbstreit – as he is much more prepared for the game than Millen.
by realmccoy on Nov 1, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He was downright
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
by CoachEtch on Nov 1, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McDonough also...
Between the two of them, the first half was almost unbearable. Of course, as the game got out of hand, they were both more realistic about what was really going on down on the field.
This is a disturbing trend in sports broadcasting: they all seem to want to be Al Michaels. Do you believe in miracles?
They all want to be the “voice” of the big upset; the one that gets played, re-played, and over-played on all the airwaves and intertubes for months or years afterward, i.e., Brent Musburger in Lubbock, Texas, on Nov. 1, 2008.
It’s one thing to be Al Michaels and do it genuinely, in the moment. It’s quite another to be contrived, hoping (almost outwardly praying) for the big call that makes your career.
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones
by beast in bama on Nov 1, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care who the announcers are so long as the focus on the game...
So often, especially when the game is not close, the announcers will go 4 or 5 plays or more and not mention anything about what is happening on the field because they are talking about the NFL, race car drivers, upcoming network shows, or some “human interest” story on a player and his family. I recall the Colorado game in which there were penalties on something like 6 consecutive plays. This was totally ignored by the announcers because they were obsessing over the issue of the Colo. coach replacing his son at QB with a red-shirted player.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
by OBdoc on Nov 1, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to nominate Justin Tucker for Special Teams player of the game.
He was the saving grace on several kickoff coverages – there was no one behind him to make the tackle, and he made at least three himself. I’m glad there wasn’t a return for more than 30 yards, but that your kicker is the one making the tackles… yikes. Gotta improve on this.
by TXinDC on Nov 1, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Similarly, special teams needs to work on keeping the coverage team back - we need Shipley actually returning some kicks instead of fair catching.
by TXinDC on Nov 1, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't have it both ways
If you want Shipley to return some punts, we won’t be able to be aggressive blocking as many punts. I love Shipley returning punts for us, but I love even more our ability to block a kick and score. Oh, and I would add in Hunter Lawrence as a co-Special teams player of the game. He has been money all year long on kicks early in games when we need to continue to build momentum in big games.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too dangerous when you have to rely on the kicker to make the tackle. Those skill positions are too important to have guys without the physical ability of the kickoff team making the stop. No offense to kickers… but it is what it is.
by dimecoverage on Nov 1, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tucker played safety in high school too...
not that I disagree with your point, however.
by nahmorlah on Nov 1, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall correctly,
There was a play that Colt threw the ball to Shipley against the double coverage. Fortunately, Shipley caught the ball. But, imo, I don’t care how accurate his passing he has or Shipley is his good roommate or whatever. I believe that was an ill-conceived pass. He should look for other receivers like Goodwin or Malcolm. Or, throw the ball away instead of forcing the play that might intercept by the Pokes.
Predictability from GD, I don’t know how long he has been our OC. At least 10 years? Is it fair to say other teams’ DC pretty much knows what his play callings are all about? At least, OU did a good job against him couple weeks ago. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a total GD basher. Cuz, he did a wonderful job on some games like Mizzou. I could be wrong about GD, though.
My ultimate fantasy is, Major Applewhite will be our OC when Muschamp takes over the team.
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Monroe?
Did Monroe touch the ball once on offense? How many plays was he in the game?
by JohnsonUT on Nov 1, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It looks like
He did not play yesterday at all based on the ESPN stat
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had a 24 yd kick return
They ran the stealer series with Goodwin (a good change IMO because it is less predictable), and besides kickoffs that was the only time he was seeing the field in the past couple of games.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
routes?
How exactly did we do that? Did we drive OSU down a highway? :)
by Jason Mayer on Nov 1, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
GD bashing starting to get extreme
From what I’ve read, you’re disappointed that we didn’t run the ball more. Overall, I was satisfied with the offense today. Like you stated, GD found a weakness and exploited it in the best way possible. His decision-making was predicated on OSU’s defense.
I think you assume that Davis would’ve continued to use the empty-set formations even if those plays were failing miserably. I disagree. He kept using them because they were working, and that’s exactly what OC’s should be doing. In basketball, if playing a zone defense is the best way to go against a certain team, Barnes is going to use that the entire game as long as it works. Would you criticize him for not using more “token” man-to-man defense setups? Probably not.
The desire to have a more “balanced” approach to offense isn’t really necessary. You go with what works. Depending on how UCF defends us, we might have to run the ball more. We’ll see. Just like basketball, football has a lot to do with matchups, and GD felt the formations he used would give us the edge. Can you really disagree with his thought process given the results?
by goingforthecorner on Nov 1, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looking ahead
The points raised are not about hyper-criticizing the unit’s performance against, say, OSU, or some other average defense; the concerns mentioned relate to being an offense that can succeed against a high-elite defense. Like, say, Florida.
When you say it “isn’t really necessary” to be more balanced, where a defense like the Gators is concerned, I disagree.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 1, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We will probably need to be more balanced against Florida/Bama
and I’m sure Davis understands that and it would be reflected in the offense we’d against them. Oklahoma State though? We can comfortably pull off what we did.
The way our defense is playing, we may not need an effective offensive performance anyway.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 1, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's awfully risky
Oklahoma State though?
As late as Friday night, the OSU game was “our season,” remember? It disturbs me that GD didn’t seem to realize that balance and adaptation were necessary for this opponent. Had the defense not played to perfection, this game could have been tight.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 1, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wholeheartedly agree
If the D didn’t make plays, it would have been a really tight game last night.
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean it was necessary?
I think the outcome showed it obviously was not necessary.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was necessasry for the offense to be successful
to which I’m sure you will point to stats and tell me it was, about which I will disagree.
The offense looked pretty frustrated throughout the first half, and it wasn’t until the game was largely put out of reach (mostly due to the defense and a turn of good luck from the officials) that the offense loosened up and found an identity. But the offense wasn’t all that successful when the game was still contentious. That won’t cut it against a top opponent. Why wouldn’t Davis take this game more seriously?
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 2, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the drive results
The first half looked better than the second:
First Half:
1 Field Goal
2 Punt
3 Touchdown
4 Touchdown
Second Half:
5 Field Goal
6 Punt
7 Touchdown
8 Punt
9 Punt
10 End of Game
When the game was within 20 points, the offense scored on five of six drives for 20 points. I think the offense looked best in the 3rd and 4th drives and was actually more frustrated in the second half for not going back to the steeler series.
by Wells on Nov 2, 2009 7:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why
evaluations based on statistics alone are dangerous and misleading. To me, the offense looked uncomfortable and thus more predictable in the first half.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And of couse my reply
is that evaluations based on feelings alone are too susceptible to preconceived notions of what is going to happen and not on empirical evidence of what is happening.
by Wells on Nov 2, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And technically,
if the defense pitches a shutout, then nothing the offense does is really all that necessary. But do you really want an OC who thinks that way?
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 2, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Situational awareness is good
but you are right, taken to the extreme you get Tressel-ball
by Wells on Nov 2, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I'm comfortable with that
Your argument depends on the offense being able to switch on and off various modes of play, which seems to me unrealistic or, at best, uncomfortably risky.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 1, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if that's the case
Florida and Bama are really going to struggle against our defense because neither one of their offenses are two dimensional. Florida hasn’t been able to find a receiver who can stretch the defense deep, and Alabama doesn’t have a QB who can consistently throw the ball to Julio Jones & Co. with any accuracy. I watched Florida beat up on a weak Georgia defense yesterday by just basically running the ball, a few TE screens, and Tebow running on passing plays. If you watched the highlights ESPN showed you’ll only see Riley Skinner (I think that’s his name [Note: Tebow’s roommate]) making a fantastic one-handed touchdown catch in which the DB had great coverage. If Tennesee’s D can keep Alabama’s offense to 12 points @ ’Bama I like our chances to stop their offensive attack.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida receiver
His name is Riley Cooper. Skinner is the Wake Forest quarterback.
by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 1, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
Thanks for the correction.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you heard?
Riley Cooper and Tim Tebow are roommates!
Along with a great defense, another thing we have in common with Florida…
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones
by beast in bama on Nov 1, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not comfortable?
So what you are saying is you do not want your offensive coordinator to adjust to what the defense is giving him so he can have a balanced offense to prepare for a bowl we might not even play in?
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He apparently didn't seem to think he needed to be balanced against OU...
and we dodged a potentially fatal bullet there. I have been a GD defender in past years but am losing patience witrh his inability to develop a running game and his reluctance to throw the ball down the field, his over-reliance of the bubble screen, and his continued use of plays that just don’t work like the shovel pass and wild horn formation and throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 5. I would like to think GD is holding all sorts of weapon in his bag of tricks to be used when we really need them, but I doubt that seriously.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
by OBdoc on Nov 1, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the OK St Game
I remember a good amount of down field throws that netted pretty good yardage, but I can’t remember one bubble screen or the wild horn being used.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lamar Houston
I recall there was a play that he got involved with an offensive running play near the goal line. I’m not sure that play was resulted to CJ’s TD. Does that mean Lamar has a dual role from now on? Anyway, that dude is a beast!
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Houston played as a lead blocker on a jumbo/goal-line set last week too
by TXinDC on Nov 1, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston
has been the Jumbo package fullback all year.
by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 1, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Muschamp
He really knows how to maximize his talents. Not just him other players as well.
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're happy with how well Houston has played at FB that credit would have to go to GD.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason for 4 and 5 wide...
The strength of OSU’s defense was their linebackers, and Bill Young likes to leave them on the field even against spread formations. OSU’s weakness on defense is their pass rush. So it was a simple formula – use an offensive formation vulnerable only to the defense’s greatest weakness and in the process, put Texas’ best offensive players (the receivers and Colt McCoy) in mismatches against linebackers and slow safeties. Yes it’s predictable, but it’s predictable in the way of a wishbone or I formation offense – unless the defense makes major changes (like switching to a 4-2-5 or 3-2-6, which it did in the second half), there’s no need to change formations as long as you have a diversity of plays run out of the same formation. In some ways, UT did last night what GBR has been calling for, running a set of plays until the defense stops them. Last night, that took until the second half, when it was over
The problem I saw in the game that no one’s talking about is Colt’s hesitation in running – he needs to decide to run earlier and with more authority – he left at least 30 yards on the field because he kept thinking that a receiver would come open and waiting before he took off. That kind of expectation for Vince Young is what almost drove him to wide receiver in 2004. I know the coaches don’t want Colt to take too many hits, but compare his hesitation with the absence of such by Jeremiah Masoli of Oregon against USC. Colt’s also more likely to throw a pick or tipped ball when he’s flipping a last-second pass to a receiver who is not ready. Colt is a weapon; against some defenses (like rushing 3 dropping 8), he needs to be used.
Colt is also still focused way too much on Shipley, despite passes to Chiles and Williams.
GD’s main flaw last night, in his selection of formation, was having too much trust in an otherwise not completely trustworthy offensive line.
by burnt in ny on Nov 1, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hesitate to run.
It seems like he ran a lot last year but I’m not sure why he didn’t do it this year? But I’ve to say the OL is not that good when compares to last season.
To me, Chris Hall actually didn’t play well this year, for some reasons. He has some snapping the ball issue on some games. He’s a senior and should be the most experienced center but apparently, he’s working backward.
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More zone instead of man.
It’s easier to pick up yards against man defense because the defenders turn their backs. Texas has seen more zone this season, especially teams dropping eight into coverage, leaving several linebackers near the line of scrimmage watching the quarterback.
by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 1, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't pick up on that
Good observation. No wonder, there’s not many breakout run from him.
by Horns98 on Nov 1, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OL wussies
Our OL is big enough, they may even be talented enough, but they seem to lack attitude. I have yet to see them go out and kick ass. I can’t even see any indication that they want to whip anybody.
by MesquiteHorn on Nov 1, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Colt
Whatever problems there are with GD it’s frustrating for me to see Colt, esp. at this stage in his career, staring down his receivers/telegraphing his passes. I thought he said that he worked during the off season to go deeper through his progressions but it doesn’t seem as though we’ve seen much of that. I realize that he’s spreading the ball around to different receivers but it seems more a function of the play that was called vs. the play that was available. Last year, when his #1 or #2 was covered he quickly tucked it and ran. Now, when we’re reliant on the passing game, he’s not running as much but he’s still forcing throws to covered receivers vs. utilizing all of his options. Seems something will have to give when we play a good defense. You would think that scrimmages against our defense would give GD and company an idea of where they will have to improve.
by utexas87 on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I agree with pretty much everything you said, PB.
The 5 WR formation has no advantage over the 4 WR look but lots of disadvantages: no run threat, no safety valve target, no TB blocking, no doubt about what you are going to do (i.e. pass).
by Kafka on Nov 1, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If the D coordinator continues to
keep 3 LB’s on the field it makes sense to pressure that look with 5 wides. It provided a run threat for McCoy that he didn’t take advantage of enough. Bill Young stated after the game that they ran a lot of man under cover 2 with a three man rush. The three men rushing shouldn’t have much of a chance to get to the QB, and with 5 wides you can run-off an extra defender by sending multiple WR’s deep. This should allow McCoy to have some huge voids to run into. We saw some of that throughout the game, but for the season it has seemed that McCoy has seemed unwilling to run as quickly as he did at times last season. PB described this function of the offense by stating:
When your offensive design is as pedestrian as is the current Texas model, success literally depends on the quarterback’s ability to make yards on broken plays. I think it too charitable to call that part of the “grand design” of the offense
But when you’re running 5 wides I believe it is a valid part of the offense. It’s the benefit of having a runner at quarterback. We did it all the time with VY. Oregon feasted on that function of the offense yesterday against USC. It may not looked calculated and preconceived, but it works. I do it all the time when I’m playing NCAA Football. Instead of running a QB draw play, run a play where all of the receivers go vertical and then if no one is open I can just scramble out and pick up a good 10 yards.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On NCAA football you're not a QB with a career on the line and a friend who has already jeopardized his future.
Colt, for whatever reason, is less inclined to run this year, and is more inclined to slide than fight for an extra few yards. This is the paradigm and it is time for the offensive coaching (perhaps both Brown and Davis) to adjust to a reality where Colt evidently does not intend to be the team’s leading rusher.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 1, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I'm fine with the sliding
I would just like him to tuck it down a little sooner, rather than running around behind the line of scrimmage waiting for someone to break open and then getting shellacked by a defensive lineman as he releases the throw.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 1, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When the game was on the line against OU
Colt ran plenty, and maybe should have gone down a little earlier. I don’t see this as Colt deciding that is how it is going to be and the coaches not adjusting. I think it is a decision by both Colt and the coaches to take a slightly less productive offense when that is all that is needed by having Colt not run or slide before contact. When they needed him to step up and make plays he has.
by Wells on Nov 1, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree that Colt has made plays
But his yards per rush average is less than half of what it was last year while attempts are down about 20%. Whereas the default (at least in my perception) last year was for Colt to make about two reads followed by a quick scramble, now the default seems to be Colt making 2-3 reads and flipping the ball out of bounds.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all that Mack and Davis were the first ones to suggest the change, and as GoBR noted above a lot of the reduced effectiveness also has to do with defensive scheme. But in this brave new world, it seems odd to present him as the only running threat.
Also, I’m certainly not giving Colt a hard time for sliding. After his freshman campaign I’ve tended to hold my breath every time he lowers a shoulder.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 2, 2009 6:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality
When UT went with 5 WRs, Colt usually did not have a lot of time because OSU was getting to him quickly. This is because OSU knew that Colt had the ball and was going to keep the ball until he threw it or ran. Telegraphing what you are going to do before the play begins is a terrible idea. Given that Colt had to get rid of the ball so quickly, there was no way he could process 5 WR targets. At most he would have time to look at Ship and maybe one other WR. Even if he does locate somebody deep, it is hard to throw accurately when you are running for your life.
Another problem with 5 WRs is that the TB (moved out to WR for the play) is actually a less effective pass catcher than when he is lined up at the normal TB position. This is because he normally gets to catch short, relatively easy passes when he is playing TB. When he splits out to WR, the passes are longer and more difficult to catch. TBs get a lot more reps on short passes tha long passes.
UT is much better off with Colt passing than running. He is an OK runner (not remotely close to Vince’s level, of course) but an outstanding passer. He is excellent at scrambling and opportunity draws.Colt normally does not have great success running against an elite D. Against a non elite D, there should not be that much need for Colt to run if the offensive strategy is sound.
Colt did UT a huge favor by returning for his senior year. It is totally reasonable and prudent for him to decide to run less and be more cautious in his running. I am so happy when he gets down to avoid contact.
by Kafka on Nov 1, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not advocating
that he run more to get killed. He should still try to be safe. I like that he is sliding more and taking fewer hits. Just a side note: of all the QB’s I’ve seen get hurt over the years, I’d say 99% of the injuries occurred in the pocket, not while the QB was running down field for extra yardage. I don’t have an actual stat for that, but I can recall dozens of QB’s who were hurt in the pocket and I can’t think of any QB’s that I’ve seen get hurt scrambling. (I’m sure it’s not really 99%, probably a little less)
I also think that against ‘Bama or Florida the 5 wide set would be used sparingly. We’ll need EBS to on his game for extra protection/better run capability/outlet passes. The 5 wide did what it was supposed to do against an average defense. Against a top flight defense, I’m with you, we’ll have to adjust our formations.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 2, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Colt got his most serious injury on a run,
a QB sneak vs KSU a couple of years ago. He wasn’t right for the rest of the regular season.
Any time you have the ball, whether you are running or passing, you are a target.
I’m OK with Colt running when he sees the opportunity and can get down or out of bounds before he takes a big hit. It is also an easy way to pick up a first down in short yardage situations when Colt is running the zone read.
It looks like we agree that the 5 wide should not be used against an elite D.
by Kafka on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seeing as how Ok. St's WRs
actually helped our cause, how are they the defensive LVP? They surely provided value to our defense with their incompetence. The Cowboys’ WRs should have gotten a nod in the MVP section.
Chykie was easily the LVP. Even his pick was a net-negative, and was the prime beneficiary of Ok. State’s drops.
by bigdukesix on Nov 1, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shiiiiiiyit
You’re right. It doesn’t make much sense. I shoved the point in the wrong cubby.
Just as well: I’d already decided not to single out anyone on the defense for shoddy play.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 2, 2009 2:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Sorry,
I think much of the critisim about GD is contrived and has been for years.
UM is considered an “offensive genius” yet his offense (loaded with far more talent than ours) has struggled mightly this year at times.
Upon further review, we ran mostly 11 personal in the 1st half, our offense had 3 sustained drives netting 17 points including a drive that even OSU DC Bill Young pointed to in post game interviews.
Think we use the next 4 games to work on the rush attack. Of course it would help the OC if his #1 and #2 guys would show up in the fall in shape and healthy instead of at mid season. Think we see a BUNCH of cody and fozzy in Nov.
by echeese on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
























