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Longhorns Roll Past Anteaters in Season Opener

Rick may have his most complete Texas team yet. (AP Photo/Harry Cabluck)

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Rick may have his most complete Texas team yet. (AP Photo/Harry Cabluck)

Game Recap: The #3 Longhorns notched their first victory of the season, 89-42 over UC Irvine at the Drum behind strong performances from seniors Damion James and Dexter Pittman.

Along with James and Pittman, Varez Ward, Justin Mason, and freshman J'Covan Brown completed the starting lineup. Brown started slowly and sloppily at the point guard spot, and Coach Barnes was forced to sit him down after two early turnovers and again after a couple of more. After the game, Rick said this about his freshman point guard, "J'Covan wore us all out before the games. I've never seen a guy as amped up. Ever."

As will be a theme this season, the depth of this team allowed the ‘Horns to quickly find their stride. Dogus Balbay was inserted for Brown and helped the Longhorns turn a 19-18 deficit after the first ten minutes of action into a 42-21 halftime lead.

Balbay played solid on-the-ball defense and helped protect the ball in the halfcourt where James and Pittman could dominate. Both big men finished with 21 points a piece. Most of Dexter's 10-of-11 from the floor came off dunks or lay ins. James had a few buckets of length but most of his scoring came around the basket as well. The smaller Anteaters were simply overmatched in height, strength, and athleticism.

During the back and forth start, I thought Texas struggled to communicate on defense. There was some confusion on how to defend ball screens. Some players were also over running their pursuit on the pass and over committing on shot fakes. The substitution patters of three, four, or even five players at a time help explain the early defensive lapses. However, after that back and forth start, the Longhorn defense played more consistently and more together. Texas contested shots better, didn't allow second chance points or almost anything in the paint, and, for the most part, controlled dribble penetration.

The outcome was: Exciting. Exciting because this was the first game; exciting because I finally got to see the four freshman live and in a college game; and exciting because the potential of this team is clear.

Unlike last year, this year's Longhorns will not have trouble scoring from the perimeter. Jordan Hamilton and Brown can both shoot the ball from deep. They both have good form, which should help produce consistent buckets, and good size, which will allow them to easily shoot over zones.

Unlike last year, foul trouble, even if it's Dex, won't be an issue. The ‘Horns are deeper than any team in the country and can run as many as 14 different players on the court for double digits in minutes every game.

Unlike last year, Barnes does not have to play smaller, three guard lineups. While Texas did start three guards, that was by choice not out of necessity. Hamilton (6-7) and Williams (6-6) will give Texas excellent size from the wing, and I won't be surprised to see James (6-7) play some at the three too when Rick wants to play with an even bigger lineup. Texas has real size at the two guard spots also. Avery Bradley, listed at 6-2, and Brown, listed at 6-1, both played bigger and stronger than their listed heights. The days of playing two sub six foot guards plus Mason at the wing are thankfully over.

The biggest thing I took away from the ‘Horns first game was potential. Right now, they are so much less than the sum of their parts. And right now, they're pretty good. The parts are all there-talent, size, depth, and experience. There is no reason why Barnes shouldn't be able to mold this team into more than the sum of their individually talented parts and national championship favorites by tourney time.  

Star-divide

Stats of the Game: 49-30 Texas on the glass. 54-18 Texas points in the paint. If you didn't get a chance to see the game, that is about all you need to know. As expected, Texas was able to dominate the smaller Anteaters in the paint on both ends.

The Offensive MVP was:  Damion James. DaMo started his senior campaign in style-21 points (7-of-9 from the floor, 2-of-2 from three, 5-of-6 from the line), 15 boards, two assists, and a steal in just 22 minutes of action. James came back to Texas for a lot of reasons, but the big one was to play himself into a NBA first round selection. So far, so good. He looked confident, in control, and hungry. If he can produce the same smart and solid performances against the Michigan States and North Carolinas of the world, the NBA will be forced to take a second look at DaMo.

The Defensive MVP was: Texas in the second half. I don't have the exact stats but UC Irvine was something like 9-of-18 to start the game. They finished 17-of-62 for just 27% from the floor. Needless to say, the defense was the key to the 47 point victory.

I want to note a few more things, player by player:

Damion James: After the games, DaMo noted that the younger players looked up to him and that he has tried to take them under his wing. He also said that while the freshmen are very talented, that they still have a lot to learn. I can imagine the exact same thing coming out of Rick Barnes' mouth.

During the off season, we've noted that team chemistry is something of a concern and definitely something to watch. While James has not been a loud and vocal leader in his first three seasons, it sounds like he recognizes that now it's his turn. This veteran to freshman leadership, along with the development of a point guard, whoever it ends up being, are the two biggest keys to a Final Four run, in my opinion.

Dexter Pittman: More important than throwing down one-handed slams over guys standing just 6-6, Dex only picked up one foul. The more Pittman can stay on the floor, the better this team can be offensively. I was also impressed with the one post move when he turned over his right shoulder for an easy lay in. In previous seasons, he has almost always turned over his left shoulder to produce the easier right handed jump hook. If he has added the ability to go the other way with his back to the basket, look out.

Avery Bradley: Bradley is going to be so much better than his stats. Texas will be a Dexter and Damion focused team first. Second, it looks like J'Covan and Hamilton won't be afraid to let it fly. Therefore, Bradley would easily be the fifth scoring option among these five and probably still no better than third or fourth with some others on the floor. He will definitely get his-in transition, off dribble drives, and in second chance opportunities-but given the offensive skills of some other ‘Horns, Bradley won't be a 20 point scorer. It doesn't matter though. He is too good. His two late-game mid-range jumpers were things of beauty-in balance, form, and arc. The defense is also already there. Last, from Barnes' comments during the off season, this is a kid who knows he can get better and his ready to work on his weaknesses.

Varez Ward: If Barnes wants his point guard to pass the ball and play lock down defense, then Ward may be the man. Varez has the size, athleticism, and vision to be a true pass-first, shoot second floor general.

J'Covan Brown: J'Covan is raw, talented, and emotional. Unfortunately for him, he was too hyped for this game and it showed during the first half. Fortunately for us, it was his first game in over a year, after sitting out all of last season, and his upside is huge. If Barnes wants his point guard to score and stretch the defense with his perimeter jumper, then Brown is his man. From everything I saw though, J'Covan is more of a shoot-first, pass-second point.

Dogus Balbay: Dogus is third head of the ‘Horns point guard machine (with a fourth, Jai Lucas coming in December). Balbay played really well this afternoon. Six assists to no turnovers in 19 minutes from your point guard is every coach's dream. That said, I am not as big a fan of Dogus as are many of you. His offensive limitations make me hope that Barnes uses Balbay as more of spark off the bench than 25+ minute contributor.

Justin Mason: Mase has started for the better part of his three seasons at Texas and removing him from the starting lineup won't be easy. He still can do the little things-rebound, play solid d, and push the basketball in transition. However, I can't see how he ends up averaging more than 15 minutes per game once the freshmen become more comfortable.

Jordan Hamilton: Does Jordan have a nickname? He needs one. Hamilton looked smooth, long, and ready to score. Jordan may not have the defensive mindset that Barnes would like yet, but you can already see how important he'll be to the ‘Horns success.

Shawn Williams: I guess Shawn won't be redshirting this year. Williams played a productive (6 boards), yet sloppy 13 minutes against UC Irvine. His size will give Texas a much needed third rebounder and his ability shoot the three ball should open up driving lanes on the other end.

Alexis Wangmene: Wingman, I've missed you. With scorers at nearly every position, Lexi is the perfect bruising big man to bring off the bench. He showed strong hands and a willingness to fight for boards in his eight minutes of action. I expect his playing time to directly correlate to Dexter's foul trouble and stamina.

Gary Johnson: Like Dogus, I am not as in love with Gary as most Longhorn hoops' fans but recognize that he can be important role player on this team. GJ is always going to bring the energy. I just wish he was two inches taller and had a higher basketball IQ. Hopefully, Gary realizes that he is going to be the third, fourth, or even fifth scoring option during most of his minutes this season. Rebound, pass the ball from the post, and make your free throws and I'll love ya. I promise.

Matt Hill: Hill is a big body with limited athleticism. Gary and Wingman will likely be the first two off the bench as bigs, so I can't see Matt getting much playing time.

Clint Chapman: Clint wasn't in uniform. I couldn't see him from my seat either. I have no idea. Anyone?

Box Score

NEXT GAME: Home vs. Western Carolina - Wednesday 11/18 8 pm ESPNU

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Good stuff

I’m thinking this team will be on the next level from last year’s team.

I know it’s only the anteaters but this team is scary good.

In Rick we trust.

Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!

by UT2001 on Nov 15, 2009 5:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Chapman with the flu...?

I think I saw that on the game thread.

by 40AS on Nov 15, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff AW

Thanks for the thorough write-up. I only caught the game in chunks at a time, so I got little feel for who was doing what over the full 40 minutes.

Oh, and your comment on Dogus: “I am not as big a fan of Dogus as are many of you.”

I think you’re in friendly territory; far as I recall. My impression is that I’m on an island with my Balbay love.

You ain't hurt.

by Peter Bean on Nov 15, 2009 6:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

that was for you. We agree about most things UT related but Dogus is not one of them.

--AW--

by awiggo on Nov 15, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll second some Balbay love

Announcers said something on TV that rang pretty true to me. He is the perfect guy to pull off the bench if you need a change of tempo. With our depth I don’t know how much Dogus will play, but I think at least a couple times this year he is going to come in and save us by changing the pace of a game.
If he could get anything going from outside he could be starting.

by Wells on Nov 15, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Theres a lot to love about Balbay

His main problem as we are all well aware of, is his lack of outside scoring. That was a problem on last years team.

This year? That will not be much of a concern.

He can slash, run like the wind, and play stifling defense. We needed a scorer at this position last year, but when he can be on the floor with Dex, DaMo, Hamilton, and Bradley, Ill take his speed and D and low turnover rate and be happy with it. And when we need a shooter at the point, we have those we can sub in.

Dogus is what I love about college basketball players, similar to AJ, JT, The Bod, and others. They have a great aspect to their game, but then seem to be severely lacking in others. Thats the kids you want to watch grow on your team for 4 years. That you can watch them develop, and enjoy their specialties.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 16, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But there is a limitation, as he and Mason can not be on the court at the same time.

by Wells on Nov 16, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hes such a rajon rondo look alike

(from a skills perspective ofcourse and last years rondo not this years). i was glad to see he wasnt afraid to pull the trigger from deep when he did even though i had to fight to keep myself from turning away. it wasnt off by as much as i thought it would be. and yes i agree with the announcers idea that hes a great spark off the bench from a tempo standpoint; the pace quickened immediately in transition.

by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 16, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Write up

I am not sure where I stand on Balbay…guys sis so athletic and can get into the lane pretty easily, but his outside is still suspect. He did take a three with out hesitation today and maybe that is good sign.

But unless he can be a consistent scorer then I would much rather have Ward, Mason and Lucas (When he is eligible) on the floor

"I don't ever miss free throws. I'm like 100-percent from the free throw line. I just don't think about missing and if you think about missing you're going to miss. I just take my time and know I'm going to make it and I do," McClellan said.

by blazzinken on Nov 15, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He just looks out of control

He is a great penetrator, good defender, and very athletic. But when he drives, too many times he is out of control and throws up bad shots or makes bad passes. And if he can’t shoot……. we have better options. Good news is he has time to get better.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Nov 15, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

respectfully disagree with "out of control"

he seems like he picks and chooses his times to slash rather than some immature players that like to take the ball at the top of the key, and try to dribble drive and force their way in…i think dogus has pretty good body control and above average decision making once he gets in the paint…he brings that change of pace and the ability to slash that is otherwise lacking on this team, and in college you need a fearless player that can go in the trees and get a foul called, because those refs WILL give benefit of the doubt to a player with body control that drives in the lane

i like him coming off the bench, but completely agree with awiggo that we need a solid starting PG…ward, brown, and mason all seem to have their own skill set and their own weaknesses

by trueorangeblood on Nov 15, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Balbay is a Man

As long as Balbay’s on the court with scorers, he’s a plus and the best point guard on the time right now. He’s an intimidating on-ball defender, takes care of the basketball and is a very good open court distributor, who can push and control tempo.

Outside of shot-clock shots, he should never shoot from the outside. He did finish with authority on at least one occasion. If he continues to do that and shoot free throws at a respectable level, he can be a 25-minute guy.

by Eskimohorn on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i would take brown over balbay at PG

simply because brown can extend the defense. dex is much more effective when the man guarding balbay isnt basically fronting dex because he has no respect for balbays outside presence. as much as i absolutely LOVE balbays tempo, i respectfully disagree

by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 16, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and by that i mean i would take him after next game

when he settles down instead of being wild-calm-wild in random flashes.

by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 16, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Woot

Now that was fun! Despite some fumbling and bumbling by the new guys, this was really good for a first game. All of our returnees showed progress from the off season and all four freshmen showed me they are the real deal. I did not see a leader emerge for the point position. Ward’s D was good but he shot 1-6. Balbay missed his jumper. Brown showed flashes of brilliance, offset by streaks of wildness. But the front line was amazing — at least against Anteater-grade opposition. I loved the platoon substitution. I wonder if those are the skins and shirts in practice.

And, awiggo, thanks for that handy link to the box score.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Nov 15, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wangmene

I see he is listed as a soph. Was he able to redshirt last year after all?

In limited action he showed some flashes of being able ot score inside (hook shot, maybe?). The team will need an inside scorer next year so hopefully he gets decent minutes and shot opportunities this year to help him progress.

by Horncasting on Nov 15, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Inside scorer next year

You’re right about us needing one, but it won’t be Wangmene. He can polish his skills on the offensive end, but he’ll never be a 15 ppg player.

But this guy might be:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=4645455

--always Texas--

by longtimelonghorn on Nov 15, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It Was Like BarnesThrew A Switch

after watching enough college soccer to last a life time we get tv from the Drum.

It was like someone said “they’re here” and the Dexy-DaMo Dunkfest begin.

there is so much talent on this team.The announcers said the Horn’s second team could beat many of the Div.I teamsby themselves.

by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 15, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Soccer

Now wasn’t that thrilling? Two hours of standing around ended by a freak goal. At least we were spared the shoot out.

I loved the way the announcers pretended that we were joining a broadcast in progress. That game was not going out anywhere else was it?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Nov 16, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Jordan have a nickname? He needs one.

Hopefully it’s not as stupid as “DaMo”.

Good writeup though.

by bigdukesix on Nov 15, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

HaJo?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nickname

Does Jordan have a nickname? He needs one. Hamilton looked smooth, long, and ready to score.

Smooth, long, and ready to score…how about Johnson?

by UTLawGrad on Nov 15, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good writeup

— we should name a dorm after TJ Ford or something because he is a HUGE reason we keep getting the great guard recruits…TJ, the facilities, and the world-class strength coach in that order?

- fun game to watch, albeit against a very overmatched team - especially size wise…but hey at least we didn’t drop one to cornell or lemoyne

— having 3 seniors, variety of veteran options at PG, and mature froshes will shorten that learning curve/growing pains

— COMPLETELY agree with the assessment that the two biggest question marks are the chemistry and getting one of the PG’s to grab the starting spot (Rick please keep Balbay coming off the bench, maybe simultaneously with J’Covan, they are both spark plugs)…dead on there awiggo

by trueorangeblood on Nov 15, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Questions for AW

I didn’t get to see the game, and Shawn Williams (probably) not redshirting is an interesting development, though I welcome the fact that Barnes is going for it all this year as opposed to “saving” players for the future.

1. Who’s the “smart”, composed player who can hold talented group together during tough spurts? That’s what we had with TJ Ford as well as Augustin, and that’s what I fealt we missed in our ridiculously talented Elite-8 with Gibson and Aldridge.

2. You said “Unlike last year, foul trouble, even if it’s Dex, won’t be an issue.” Against other Top 10 teams, who will step up to guard, and/or challenge on offense, the opposition’s talented big men? Wangmene?

3. On that note, why did Wangmene only get 8 minutes?

4. You mentioned that Bradley might not put up great scoring stats partially because of the shooting tendancies of J’Covan Brown and Jordan Hamilton. The way I see it, the best scorers should be taking the shots. If Brown is not going to distribute the ball like he should wouldn’t we be better off with a pass first Point Guard? One of the most important aspects of a good point guard is getting the right people to take shots.

5. We seem to have the athleticism, length, and defensive ability to be a full-court pressing team, though I haven’t seen Barnes implement the press effectively in the past. Thoughts after the first game?

--always Texas--

by longtimelonghorn on Nov 15, 2009 8:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wow great questions!

I’m not AW but here are my answers for what theyre worth

1. call me crazy or say I have a breeding bromance with balbay, but he looked to be vocal and i think thru his play he has earned the respect of the team…dex looked to be vocal too but i wouldnt use the word “smart” to characterize him…mason might not always get the PT but i bet in practice he is a bigtime leader — calm and collected too

2. dex seemed to be more in control of his body than last year, on both ends of the court…he will no doubt get in foul trouble…wangmene was aggressive…junkyard type…but picked up some bad fouls…i like him over the stiff chapman and the less agressive matt hill

3. my only thought is barnes trying to send a message to him to be smarter about the fouls?? honestly no clue why he didnt play more near the end when he cleared the bench

4. Even as amped up as Brown was, I think he passed when necessary…he was wide open on some 3’s and took em…no biggie…now if he brings the ball down the court and jacks up shots against MSU, that’s different…gonna hold off on judgment of him, but at least balbay and ward are good passers to back him up…with the depth we have in the backcourt, I don’t foresee barnes putting up with too much crappy play from the PG…in fact he did pull brown a couple times and pulled him aside and talked to him on the bench

5. They did do some full court and half court traps…the length especially of the freshman will come in handy…Barnes just needs to find the right combo to use to make the most of the press…the fast break looked pretty good too for the first game (i remember previous season openers where the fast break was sloppy)

by trueorangeblood on Nov 15, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3. At the end of the game Barnes was playing the young guys a lot. I agree Wangmene could have been out there too, but his focus was on getting the freshman some extra PT.

4. Brown had a few possessions where he took a shot when he should have passed. Likewise Balbay had a few possessions where he should have taken it to the hole but looked to pass instead. Its the first game though, I imagine both of those tendencies will get coached up, and neither was all that bad.

5. When we pressed it looked more like live practice. I think we are working on a full press, and so far it looks like it will be damned effective. I dont know if its something we will pull out for extended periods of time in games we dont need it though.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 16, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Shawn Williams

Not only is Barnes going for broke this year, but with all the guys likely to be gone off this team next year I think you have to get guys as much game time as they can earn and opponents like UC-Irvine permit. He could be a Mouton or James type of player that is around for a few years and who gains a TON of value by getting any live game action.

by HornsUpInLA on Nov 16, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Response

1. Probably too early to tell but I think the “smart” player will probably be the one veteran who we’ve lamented as having a lower than desired bball IQ over the last three seasons, Damion James. Ordinarily you’d like your point guard to be the smart decision maker because he has the ball the majority of the time. However, I don’t see how J’Covan becomes this player, not this year. Dogus has the chance to show some leadership but unless his free throw shooting is greatly improved, he won’t even be on the floor at the end of close games. James has three years under his belt and has learned from and played alongside AJ, DJ, and Durant. I don’t think it’s is a natual position for him, but, in my opinion, this has to be James’ place.

2. I think you nailed it—Wangmene. He looks bulked up from last year and still brings the same disruptive wingspan. Alexis also won’t have to worry too much about fouls as he is only expected to contribute for 10-15 min per game. He can just bang, rebound, and block shots. The second option will be Matt Hill. Chapman and Johnson have more offensive mindsets but Hill probably won’t even look at the basket when he’s on the court.

3. Not enough minutes to go around. I think Barnes wanted James and Dexter to get at least 20 minutes. He also wanted the freshman to play through some of their mistakes. And Barnes was able to get Hill end for some second half minutes. I think you’re going to see that 8-12 minute stat for a lot of really good players this year. There is only 200 possible minutes and we are absolutely loaded.

4. I don’t think it is going to matter who is the point and who is the shooting guard too much. I’ve heard Barnes say similar things for years—he doesn’t worry about positions and numbers, but just wants the best five on the floor, as long as they are as committed to defense as he is. If J’Covan is out there scoring from the point and Avery is locking people down on the other end, we will be fine. I think Avery will have more of an opportunity to score some if he plays alongside Dogus or Mason or Ward for extended minutes. From everything I saw, J’Covan is going to shoot the ball.

5. Barnes has used some full court pressing during his time at Texas but it has never been on a consistent basis. Usually he goes full court to increase the tempo, when he thinks he has a big advantage in quickness, or when the ‘Horns are behind. I’m with you though; I would love to see more full court pressure now that we have the bodies and skill sets to really bring the pressure for all 40 minutes.

--AW--

by awiggo on Nov 16, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

at one point I heard the announcers say that Kansas is just as deep

as this Texas squad, but at this point, I’m not sure if I buy that. What Rick Barnes has done with hoops here is unprecedented.

btw, how bad is ESPNU? The heavy hand of interns on production is pretty obvious.

by UTrumbo on Nov 15, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Liked Bradley before I heard this story

and now I think even more highly of him now…

because the number 11 of his boyhood idol, TJ ford, is no longer available, he chose to go with 0

he said he wanted to put all the accolades and praise of his high school behind him and start all over…a sort of personal charge to remind him he still has some miles to go and some work to do before reaching the NBA…i thought this was great

by trueorangeblood on Nov 15, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great Post, AW

This makes me even more excited about this year’s team. Ridiculous depth. Mason was at many times the MVP last season (in terms of maturity and consistent play) and this year he’s coming off the bench. Nobody should beat us down the floor.

Also makes me realize it how sad it is we don’t have more fan support for this sport …ugh…

by roywilliamsisgod on Nov 15, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Balbay

During the post game interview, James was asked what got the team going, he had a very simple answer, Dogus.

Great game. Only true negative was the size of the embarrassingly small crowd size.

by IUTex on Nov 15, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the read, AW

Thank God for Damion the beast comes back to play for the Horns this year. So eager to see what he can do against the Tar Heels.

by Horns98 on Nov 16, 2009 1:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, AW

Great analysis.

Gotta say I feel kinda bad for Johnson and Dugas and probably Mason — they’re vets who give a lot and have had their moments. But I sense the younger crew is about to make floor time awfully hard to get.

by edsp on Nov 16, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Still #3

We kept our #3 ranking in the new poll, but lost two of our three first place votes.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Nov 17, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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