Let the coaching carousel begin...
by Go Bevo on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 AM CST
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After reading that ridiculous garbage from Texags in today's (11/16) Roundup about A&M luring Mack away, I started to think about possible coaching changes across the country.
RichRod at Michigan - probably safe for another year, but will feel some heat and need to get the ship corrected.
Sherman - same as RichRod....safe for another year, but better crank it up.
Zook at Illinois - most likely gone, but who could they get? Illinois isn't a high profile gig. They probably go after some up-and-comer like Gill currently at Buffalo.
Weis - the top brass at ND has the arrogance to think if they simply call up a candidate, that guy will come running, regardless of when ND makes the call. In other words, if they get rid of Weis, they better get going: Kelly at Cincy will most likely want to coach their bowl game and that goes for Urban Meyer and Stoops too (assuming they have any interest at all). I'm just saying any high profile coach will probably want to guide their team through the bowl game. So if ND waits until the bowl season is going or over, they may not get their man. Not to mention the very few potential openings could create a high demand for someone like Kelly.
Colorado - you have to think Hawkins is gone if they can figure out the financial fiasco of paying him off and luring someone else in. And because of the financial problems they most likely go after someone like Gill or Kevin Sumlin at Houston - someone they can "afford." I could see them going after Kelly, but I think he's going to request more than they can afford, knowing Kelly will be in demand.
I can't think of any other potential openings. I think the Pac-10 coaches are probably secure; Big 10 is probably set aside from Zook; Big 12 is fine aside from CU; same goes for SEC unless Spurrier decides to hang it up. What does everyone think??
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Richt at Georgia
Just posted this…biggest concern I have re; Muschamp is a rediculous offer from Georgia.
You posted that?
Interesting analysis, but just so you know, I think a lot of us around here write off Bleacher Report as soon as we read the URL.
Bleacher Report...
I totally want to click on the “Hot Cheerleader Fight Would Put Gina Carano to Shame!” link but IT would most definitely not approve.
Understood
They are lame in their analysis, but we are so spoiled with the quiver of pundits we have here at the BON. I meant I posted the link on another thread here regarding Richt. I do think if Georgia felt they could get Muschamp then they would come full on after him. I hope it’s a moot point.
by orangetower on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I just can't see them letting Richt go.
The pendulum may again be swinging back in his direction next year. Florida will be losing a ton of talent and next year they could drop a peg or two. Georgia still looks like it is well-positioned to challenge for the East next year and an SEC championship or even a division title will make everyone in Athens forget this season even happened.
I suppose they could take a chance on trying to get Muschamp, but when does it happen? I wouldn’t think they could fire Richt without having a guarantee from Muschamp. Who is the fall back guy that they know they can get? Coach Boom doesn’t seem the type to consider offers while he is prepping his team for a national championship. Plus if it got out that the administration had approached Muschamp and failed, the damage to the program would be pretty grave.
If UGA fires Richt, it would become a toxic destination
Richt has a .768 winning percentage at Georgia, two BCS wins in nine years, and is perennially in the hunt. These are just an MNC below Mack Brown numbers; in a reliably tougher conference. That’s a tough act to follow for anyone, must less a first time head coach. Someone with Muschamp’s options would be near insane to walk into such a situation.
As for UGA, they would give up a top tier head coach…for our defensive coordinator? I mean, my glasses have a distinct burnt orange tint, but Richt is in rare territory. Canning Richt would make Auburn’s jetgate look like a Machiavellian stratagem for the ages by comparison. Forget a guarantee by Muschamp, if UGA is going to fire Richt, they had best already have inked Meyer with Malzahn and Muschamp as the coordinator icing on the cake.
Are we sure the Bleacher Report isn’t a front by TexAgs?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 16, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Richt has reached the Tommy Tuberville stage of his career...
His status is secure, if he fires his defensive coordinator in the off-season, ala Tuberville. Unless Florida State comes in blubbering and begging at his feet, Richt isn’t going anywhere in the near future.
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones
by beast in bama on Nov 16, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
The Tommy Tuberville stage?
Jetgate, the pressured resignation, etc.?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Tuberville stage, i.e.,
Where you fire one coordinator per season to save your own bacon. Prior to Jetgate, Tommy did this with three different coordinators. After Jetgate, he did it with two more. These were (all but one) offensive coordinators, obviously. Muschamp, Chizik and Rhoades have all gone on to bigger and better things. Technically, one of the firings post-Jetgate (Tony Franklin) didn’t save Tuberville’s bacon, so you really can’t count that one.
Jason Campbell, now the QB of the Washington Redskins, famously had four different offensive coordinators in his four years at Auburn. Guess you had to be there…
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones
by beast in bama on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
I remember that a little bit
But I was just pointing out that Tuberville’s status wasn’t really secure. I guess it did buy him some time, though.
Richt has been disappointing quite a bit over the past five years, hasn’t he? I suppose it’s unlikely that Georgia will suddenly turn to making snap decisions, which would be very uncharacteristic of them, but it would not surprise me at all to see him leave within the next two off-seasons.
The question is, who, besides Muschamp, would be a likely consideration for them?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Boom's the guy
If they break out of their shell and finally make a big splash, Boom’s the man they go after first, no doubt. But with UGA, that’s a big if. I don’t think it’ll be this year, and Richt will probably right the ship somewhat next season — he always does.
Georgia’s always been that way (all the way back through Dooley), a covered, simmering pot that heats up just enough to blow every 4-5 years. When they’re bad, like this season, they’re never really bad.
They’re almost always good—you should never schedule them for homecoming, could beat-anybody-on-a-given-day kind of good most every year.
When they’re really good, hide the women and children.
They’re probably my favorite SEC team to follow (along with Auburn), but I don’t see how their devoted fans put up with the cycles. Richt is just on the down side of that cycle right now.
But if Richt were to leave (for whatever reason) and if they ever shake off their fiscally conservative leanings enough to make a big hiring splash, you can bet that their first gaze will be cast in the direction of Austin. No doubt about it.
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones
by beast in bama on Nov 17, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Personally Think We Can't Keep Will
I love Muschamp and think Deloss and Mack have done a wonderful job in paying him 7 figures to make him coach in waiting. Flat out – guy is worth every penny right now. I honestly think we lose the OU game the last 2 years without him.
However, I just can’t see keeping him from a plum coaching job, especially the Georgia job. Mack is showing no signs of slowing down. He gets better every year. I look for Mack to be hear for another 6 – 10 years and cannot see holding on to Will for that entire time.
Unless Mack...
Goes to the Front Office as Recruiting Coordinator/AD in waiting and the reins are turned over to Muschamp after this year. Unlikely I know, but I agree. Muschamp is the likely star topping Georgia’s Christmas Tree.
A big trump card we really have though is the Texas recruiting base versus Georgia. The coffers are too full in Texas for elite talent to too easily walk away from and the Longhorns have the elite program in this region vs. what the recruiting competition would be at Georgia who is not the elite program in that region.
by orangetower on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's going anywhere
He’s got a sweet deal here, and I think if he got an offer, we would make counter.
I think Dodds would bump him to 2-3M / year if Champ was playing hardball.
We’re the most profitable program in NCAA football. We can cut the check a lot easier than most schools, and I think Mack and Dodds are looking for USC-style domination of the Big 12 and BCS in the near future.
I’m not sure about 3 MM. Then he’s making about what Mack is making, I think.
I could see 1.5 MM. 2+ is difficult to see though. I’d like to see him paid that much if necessary, but I also don’t have to be accountable for that checking account.
You're right about 3M being a little high, but it's not crazy
The head-coaching salary would increase every year after that and if he is not head coach by January 2013, that portion of the contract would be renegotiated at a figure higher than $2.5 million.
He’s already on contract to be at around 2.5M by 2013. It was part of his reworked deal after last year.
So I could see if they had to keep him, giving him the end result of his contract a year or two earlier. 2-3 Million isn’t completely out of the question.
That would mean someone would have to pay him in the top 20 or so of head coaches to lure him away with a real incentive, especially since he’s set up to take over the program here.
I'll quote my sources for that quote up there
I’m as worried as the rest of you, but the truth probably is…. He’s staying. And it will be glorious.
We had the money, and we paid.
Good & I Hope You're Right
I would vote for a bonus if he continues this kind of domination. I love his interviews. He is a brilliant coach with impeccable work ethic and high standards. This guy will turn out some major pro athlete’s who might lose focus otherwise. If you come to UT and can play for Muschamp, then you will excel.
Problem Is
The going rate for the coach that has “IT” is right around $4 million. If you are coach Boom and you are offered $3.0 – $4.0 million in 2011, would you wait around for your $2.5 in 2013? And even with the $2.5 you are not guaranteed to be head coach.
I Would Hope
We step up to whatever it takes. Mack Brown isn’t even in the 4 mill club yet though so who knows. It could come down to the bigger picture of family, stability, and way of life.
There are only 3 coaches who earn in the 4 million dollar range this season
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-coaches-contracts-database.htm
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if bonuses and incentives make Muschamp the highest paid first year head coach in history when he takes the reigns – and keep in mind – he will be a first year head coach regardless and thus any school will leave some room to grow.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 16, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's the thing
When you’re talking about doling out enough money to get Muschamp, you’re going to have to be spending enough to make him one of the highest paid coaches in the country.
And if that’s the case, there’s probably a couple other guys out there who would be pretty competitive for that spot, for that money, who are already successful head coaches at other programs. There’s also very few programs that have that kind of dough.
The thing about UGA
They are a very conservative outfit historically.
Dooley was there 25 years (but he won).
Ray Goff was there for 7 years before they ran him off (Ray Goff!).
Jim Donnan was never popular; he got five years and wasn’t nearly as successful as Richt. There was a lot of wailing and nashing of teeth over that move (did we move too quickly?).
Georgia’s history is to move cautiously, slowly. Then when they have made a move, they’ve hired either a young assistant or a successful lower-division head coach.
Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones
by beast in bama on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot some.....
It doesn’t take much stretch to find more than 3 coaches making ~$4million.
Charlie Weiss – private school – rumored to be well in excess of $4million
Pete Carroll – $4,386,652
Bob Stoops – $4,303,000
Urban Meyer – $4,000,000
Nick Saban – $3,900,000
Les Miles – $3,751,000
JIm Tressel – $3,722,000
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when Les freakin' Miles
is getting that much dough, I think I do.
by vy til i die on Nov 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Sumlin
He has Aggie connections. I don’t think Sherman’s going to leave, but it’s possible Sumlin could go there. He was also at Washington State, and while Wulff’s probably going to get another two seasons to rebuild that program, it’s hard to guarantee that when the guy has won two games total in two seasons.
Question is, what happens to guys like Hawkins, Weis, Richt, and Zook if they’re fired? Would Zook rejoin the Ol’ Ball Coach as an OC, this time in South Carolina? Richt could probably make a case for a decent gig at UCF, where O’Leary’s probably winding down his welcome. If that school wanted to continue the appearance of being an up-and-comer, hiring Richt would be a great way to do it, and they have the resources to do that. I think they really want into the Big East, and establishing a winning football team would go a long way toward making a case.
Hawkins I could see going to another NW or California school, ideally San Jose State. Dick Tomey isn’t really going very far with the Spartans so far, and Hawkins has the area connection.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Would Not Like Him For Aggies
Guy is charasmatic and can coach. He is the last person they need in Aggieland. I do think he is likely Stoops successor.
That's another possible place for coaching change
I have no idea who’d take the reins there, though. Maybe Bud Foster? Or could they perhaps lure Jim Grobe away from Wake Forest to coach at his alma mater?
They could also take a good look at stealing Mike London, the successful head coach at Richmond, away from his alma mater. He was DL and DC at UVA for a while, and I think they’d love to hire him back. He also has the NFL connection, which could help him in recruiting. I’d hate to see him leave his alma mater, but he’d be a pretty decent hire for Virginia.
I’m not sure, but would London be the first black head coach in ACC history?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Ah
I knew I had to be missing someone obvious.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Phil Fulmer
Friend of mine who is a VT grad thinks UVA has been working on something under the table with him for a month. Don’t know what that’s worth, but he seems convinced of it.
Dick Tomey
I mentioned he could be leaving SJSU, and I couldn’t be more creeped-out about the timing of that prediction: he announced that he’ll be retiring at 4pm today.
Also announced was Western Kentucky’s firing of their coach. Not sure who’d be a candidate there…maybe Kragthorpe?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions
I don't know how.....
… people keep mentioning Mike Sherman. That $9+million dollar buyout provision gives him a minimum of 3 years given the state of financial affairs at Aggie.
He has been responsible for 2.5 solid recruiting classes. There were some solid players commited when he arrived, but he had to move immediately to keep the majority and then he had to gain the commitment of an additional 10 recruits for the ’08 class.
He has 3 consecutive classes that are ranked Big-XII #3. Not good enough to mess with Texas, but plenty good enough to battle for all the rest. He has plenty of NFL experience on that staff and they are doing a pretty fair job, given the state of affairs when arrived in B-CS.
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Agreed, Sherman is staying put
A&M is no longer one of those schools that can buy whomever they want. They are stuck because of poor business decisions made by their good ol’ boy network. And that’s beside the fact that if they fired Sherman after 2 seasons, no respectable coach would go there.
The problem is they were solid in recruiting the first several years of Fran's tenure as well...
In fact they out-recruited us those first few years of Fran’s tenure. I know the argument was made that A&M’s wins over us were not such huge upsets because they actually had better talent at a lot of positions. The problem for Sherman is that the recruiting mojo may dry up if the team continues to stink it up, which is basically what happened to Fran. Plus it looks like we are going to keep a stranglehold on the top talent this time around rather than splitting it with A&M and OU like we did back when Fran came on board. Add to that concern the fact that the South division looks to be even stronger than it was at the beginning of the decade with Tech being more consistent and OSU ‘buying’ up Texas talent. So while Fran was able to survive by notching a couple of winning seasons, that may not even be an achievable threshold for Sherman if the talent pool increasingly spreads out to Tech, TCU, Houston, Okie St and other points out-of-state.
I agree that he isn’t going anywhere because of the money situation and the fact that dumping Sherman too soon would make them toxic, but I am not sure if Sherman is the guy to turn them around.
I think A&M should have made a better effort looking for a coach, but I do think Sherman will do a decent job. The hard part will be getting people to keep their expectations in check. No one will survive there if they expect to win MNCs every other year. Or even big 12 titles. A&M has the size and the money (they may be in debt now, but that won’t last forever) to be the solid #3 team in the South (which means your are number 3 or 4 overall in the big 12 usually). Yes, they might lose to OSU or Tech every few years and drop to 4. They should also be able to occassionly challenge the #2 in the South whenver they are down and possible take that spot. This year would be a good example, but it will be OSU instead of A&M possibly taking the #2 spot.
Didn’t they fire the guy before fran after an 8 or 9 win season? That’s the problem with A&M.
Its too early to tell...
They have been wildly inconsistent this year. Fran didn’t lack for players but he too seemed to have trouble getting them up and prepared for every game. Not sure Sherman is falling into the same traps, but this year’s team just doesn’t seem to show up half the time. If this becomes a pattern, but doesn’t come with some wins over us, how long will the farmers put up with it? I don’t think overly high expectations are going to be the problem if Sherman can’t even get the team to bowl games in consecutive seasons (which admittedly only happened the year Fran got fired). I am sure the Aggies wants at least that sort of progress before they get around to thinking about firing Sherman because he hasn’t won any conference titles. If they fire him soon after that then perhaps their expectations will never be sane enough to compete for good coaching.
Depends on how you define "turning them around"
I think he’s a guy who could get them to a better coach, if that makes any sense. He strikes me as the type who could bring in a roster full of blue collar kids who play football because it’s fun and not because they expect to earn a paycheck from it in the future. And he could reasonably well with a team like that (8-4ish) and maybe make them a more attractive program to the elite coaches, if they can get their checkbook in order.
But I don’t see him as the type who can turn them into a top program that is in contention for national titles or even Big 12 titles on a regular basis. Right now, the best they can hope for is to be the occasional spoiler for teams like us, OU, and Tech. There’s only long Sherman can get away with that, as we saw with Franchione.
The thing is, when has that not ever been their ceiling? A breif period in the late 80s and early 90s? They have one NC that they claim from 19 freaking 39! One big 12 title. Only 17 SWC titles, and 10 of them came before 1970.
If they are being realistic, they should expect to average 9 wins per season, with the occasional “stars aligned” year that gets them to 11.
Keeping this to BCS coaches . . .
Sherman is safe (dollars, and their recruiting for 2010 looks good)
Hawkins is gone if the buyout works; that said, CU will be better next year with or w/o a change
Kragthorpe at Louisville; 4-6, likely to miss bowl; likely gone
Ralph Friedgen’s last 6 Maryland teams have two winning seasons and four that are 5-6, 5-6, 6-7 and the current 2-8
Stoops at Arizona may be shaky; Wildcats were 6-2 entering last week, and ranked, but are a good bet to end 7-5 (USC, Oregon, ASU on the schedule)
plus the Notre Dame issue
My gut tells me they keep Weis, but if UConn ambushes ’em . . .
No way.
I’m at ND now. Weis cancelled his Sunday night presser for the first time ever, and AD Jack Swarbrick took ND’s private plane off the public register (you used to always be able to look and see where Swarbrick was and where he was going next. Now you can’t) after the Pitt loss. Plus, the whole Stanford issue – Harbaugh is the kind of coach who likes to rub it in, and last year he was pissed to lose to ND (was raging about the whole game coming down to a what he thought was terrible call on a fair catch). And we lost to Navy at home twice in a row – no way that’s acceptable.
I'd love MD to get a new coach
Fridge is a good guy and a good coach, but his time here has gone stale.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Stoops @ Zona wins the Pac-10 if he wins out.
They already beat Stanford.
Arizona ain't gonna win out
Hope they do. Fresh face in the Rose Bowl and it keeps Stoops from maybe rejoining the OU staff. It’s taken a few years, but it looks like the loss of Stoops, Leach, Mangino, Chuck Long and others is impacting OU’s coaching and recruiting.
I don't think they will either.
I just wanted to point it out since it would definitely change his status at Zona.
What about Briles? Does he get picked up by a better program (maybe even CU)? He is an injured Griffin away from getting BU to a bowl game for the first time in 15 years after turning around UH (Sumlin is great, but he has a lot to thank Brile’s for).
To Me - He Pales in Comparison to Sumlin
Briles is a snake oil salesman that “convince$” a high profile recruit or 2 to step foot in Waco. I don’t see where he has made the inroads at Baylor that Sumlin has in UH. Any relevance Briles has can be timed with an egg timer.
Something that came to me late in life was that coaching doesn't turn a program around.
Recruiting does.
Now, no question — intelligent schemes and the ability to teach them and the strength of character and use of proper motivation to develop the positives and reduce the negatives are important. But none of that stuff matters if you can’t recruit.
Briles had to start from ground zero when he got to UH. Everyone felt UH was way better than 0-11 (as they had been). But there were many who felt UH was a tough sell, talent would be sporadic, and success hit and miss. By that scale, Briles was nearly a miracle worker.
Sumlin inherited the fruits of that turnaround. To me, Sumlin has to prove he can with HIS guys. Right now, he’s winning with BRILES’ guys.
Exactly what I was trying to say, but didn’t.
UH was crap before Briles showed up. After a few years with Briles, UH was competing for the C-USA title, winning 8+ games per season, giving BCS teams so very close scares (Bama, Kentucky for instance), and even beating some BCS schools (Miss St and OSU).
The guy can recruit. He’s selling good players on schools like UH and Baylor. Imagine what he might do at a school that isn’t as hard of a sell.
Enter Will Muschamp
Agree, you need the athletes to get it done, but look what this guy has done with our D-line this year. The guys are good, but were any of them considered 5 star other than Sergio?
by orangetower on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I think Houston was pretty close
Achos were both mid-tier recruits, though.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Depends upon what ......
…. you call “recruiting.” If you are measuring by the recruiting services’ star system, then I’ll call bunk. If you are measuring by a coach’s/staff’s ability to find players that meet their requirements and ability to mesh with their program’s systems, then I’ll agree.
All one has to do is look at the Kansas program. There are plenty of others, but I’ll use them as an example. When I questioned the hiring of Mangino to a good friend who is a OU fan, he took issue with me. He’s a former successful HS coach, with good connections to the OU staff, so I always listen to his comments. He told me the “kids really like him” and that he would be a success anywhere he landed. Hmmmm. Anyway, in the 5 recruiting classes prior to his Orange Bowl victory, Mangino had a grand total of SIX 4-star recruits. Not one single 5-star recruit. Again….. that was a total in those 5 previous classes! For comparative purposes, in those same 5 recruiting classes our Longhorns had 55 4-star recruits and 6 5-star recruits. Let that sink in for awhile…..
Yet, Mangino took that squad to the Orange Bowl, finished the season 12-1 and ranked #7 in the country. Those recruiting services stars had very little to do with that team’s success. The coaching/development skills of that staff had a great deal to do with that team’s success!
Coaching success takes a lot more than gathering recruits’ signatures. Regardless of who put those recruits on campus, it takes develoment skills to make them successful. Sumlin has showed the ability to coach those young men to success. The “winning with the other guy’s players” is just lame.
I addition, Sumlin’s recruiting classes (if you use the recruiting services’ star system) have been better than those of Briles’ Houston classes. I don’t need any additional proof. Sumlin is a darn fine coach. And as realmccoy alluded to, he doesn’t have that snakeoil salesman perception.
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Great stuff on Mangino. Much appreciated.
And totally valid on turning non-star recruits into a winner. But (you know this was coming, and it’s actually two buts):
Sumlin is recruiting top players IN LARGE PART because Briles got enough going to produce wins and bowl teams. Recruiting ground was much more fertile for Sumlin than it was when Briles got there. (I like Sumlin a lot, BTW. Class act. Be nice if UH could TACKLE somebody.)
Mangino’s 12-1 Orange Bowl winner played the easiest non-conf schedule in Big 12 history AND did not have to play OU, Tech or Texas. It’s still 12 wins and it’s still a BCS bowl win — but Missouri beat KU late in the season at a neutral site and really deserved the Orange Bowl spot.
That's a fine point
Sumlin picked up a program that had been established as less of a bottom-feeder than it was perceived to be early in Briles’ tenure. It’s easier to recruit when one’s not trying to sell the finer side of playing at a cellar-dweller.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think the egg timer comment could be as easily applied to UH
Which is why I think Sumlin will strike while the iron’s hot.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
A&M played a bunch of Freshman this year-clearly already rebuilding
Fran left them a royal mess. Sherman will get more time to correct that ship. We passed on a couple of their stars that will haunt us in a few years (C. Michael and Nwachukwu). I think we will handle them, but still don’t understand why we didn’t offer Michael.
Hawkins is gone if CU can figure out how to pay him off.
Weiss is gone. ND and their attitude that they are too good for any conference can suck it. They will probably pick another loser. I love it when they don’t make the BCS-they don’t deserve the special treatment. (I’m Irish Catholic from Indiana, my grandfather worshiped the Irish, and I was accepted to ND Law School) I just think they should have joined the Big 11 years ago. I don’t believe Stoops has any interest but that would be interesting if he went there. Would love to see OU left holding their nads.
Coach Boom isn’t going anywhere. He loves his job and his familly loves Austin. We will pay him what it takes. Mack’s next move is dependent more on Dodd’s decision than on his own schedule. When Dodd’s retires, Mack goes to AD and Muschamp goes to HC. Coach Boom agreed to this already and he doesn’t strike me as a guy to flip flop—especially when he has recruited and built an amazing group of D players for years to come. Look at this 2010 class. How could he walk on them—not happening. We can afford him and he isn’t driven by ego of the HC title. I think he will stay just because he knows it will be fun to dominate.
Richt is not in trouble. He has earned some time to fix any problems.
Definitely would like to see the racial divide at HC change and a guy like Gill deserves a serious look—I think he will get something this year.
What about Patterson at TCU? He has done a lot with lower tier talent. Maybe he will get a chance at a top tier program.
I think GIl had lots of looks last year, but he made the smart decision and turned them down. I think any of the head jobs that were really looking would have just set him up for a huge failure.
I did a Co-op in North Augusta, SC (right on the border with Augusta Ga). When they hired the black guy to coach Misst St (i can’t remember his name), and the first thing I heard in the control room that day was “They hired a DARKIE to coach in the ESS – EEE – SEE!!!”
Sylvester Croom
That’s the name of
the black guyyou’re talking about.
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by beast in bama on Nov 16, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm?
I didn’t hear anything about Gill’s turning anyone down. As I recall, he interviewed a lot of places, but for some reason no one actually offered him the job. Can you remember any of the schools you think turned him down? I’d like to make sure I have my story straight.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Gill was holding out for the NU job.
I think he was pretty wounded over being passed up and pulled back.
I do think he will turn up in a BCS program in the near future though.
by orangetower on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he was holding out at all
He went to interview with Syracuse, Auburn, and several other programs, but all of them chose to hire other guys over him, which led to the race angle of a lot of dialogue.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Patterson
He has had chances to go to “BCS” schools, but has chosen not to take them. I think K-State would be an ideal place for him to go, once Snyder feels he has the school set up for success again. I’m still puzzling over the Ron Prince hiring. A lot of people asked me what I thought of the pick, because I had a few friends who had played there, some of whom still had younger siblings on the team, and I told them I was not impressed at all. Patterson definitely would’ve been a smart fit, but I think he might have actually turned them down at the time.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Patterson, to some extent, is paying the price
of what Coach Fran went and did and did not. First, by bailing in a hurry at Alabama. Then, by his Texas A&M track record.
Prospective ADs and big-time boosters have to wonder whether Patterson might be prospering where he is but would struggle as the water gets deeper.
Not necessariy fair . . .
Stoops says rumors are Ridonculous!
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/6806/stoops-calls-notre-dame-rumors-ridiculous
Sorry, “ridiculous”. Much like “da back o yo head”!
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
I wouldn't read anything into that though
Not until Swarbrick announces Weis’s successor. That was a lot of talking just for a denial where he never said the word “no.” And these statements never mean anything – Nick Saban spent five weeks denying that he was going to Bama, even expressly saying “I’m not going to be the coach at Alabama” two weeks before accepting the job. The last thing I want is Stoops at ND, but I’m not going to discount the rumors of it based on that statement.
I agree...why would we believe Stoops?
He sounded like a politician. Spin the subject to focus on and belittle the supplier of information rather than the facts.
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