Injury Report -- Kansas Game Week
by 40AS on Nov 16, 2009 6:03 PM CST
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PrintThe Horns are fairly healthy entering the penultimate conference game of the season. Aaron Williams played against Baylor and recorded an INT. Tre Newton continues to show no ill effects from the concussion suffered against Colorado, and there are no new injuries to report. Huzzah! On a less than happy note that has been reported earlier, DJ Monroe was suspended indefinitely after being arrested for DWI. DJ may be done for the season and it would seem highly unlikely he'd return before the bowl game.
We'll update as necessary as the week goes on.
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Ben Wells was hurt Saturday
Not listed on depth chart this week (he has been most of the season) so I’m guessing he’s out. Mack didn’t touch on injuries today, unless I missed it.
He did not.
No word on Mason Walters and Calvin Howell then. He’ll probably say something on Wednesday.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 16, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
If the MB-TF stats are correct,
Walters has played in just the opening game. Howell has been in three. I think that makes both eligible to redshirt. My sense over the weeks has been that the staff will take that option unless those players (at positions that are not very deep) are needed to keep the team winning. I think Eryon Barnett is in the same situation.
Am I behind on the times?
I thought if an athlete goes on the field for so much as one play, they have burned their redshirt unless they are granted a medical exception.
You're not wrong
See my response to edsp
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 6:25 AM CST up reply actions
It makes them eligible for a medical redshirt, not a regular redshirt
If a player plays even one snap in a game, that removes the option of a regular redshirt for that season. However, if the player plays in up to three games, and all those games are in the first half of the season, and he becomes injured such that he cannot play in any other games that season, that player may apply for a medical hardship redshirt. That’s what Shipley did, as an example, and what Muckelroy could do. So if Howell and Barnett can show that the reason they didn’t play was medical in nature, and they don’t play in any more games, and they only played in a maximum of three games in the first half of the season, they stand a pretty good chance of being able to claim a medical redshirt for this season.
However, I do not believe that if any of them would be eligible for a regular redshirt in any future season if he were granted a medical redshirt for this season. I believe the medical redshirt burns up the regular redshirt if the regular one has not already been used.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
Just by virtue of the "5 years to play 4" rule, that is correct
You cannot take a medical redshirt if you’ve already used your redshirt year, and if you take a medical redshirt, that IS your redshirt year.
Shipley never actually took a medical redshirt, however. I had this explained to me recently. He sat out his entire first year as his redshirt year. You aren’t eligible for a medical redshirt if you did not play at all, even if you were injured. If you didn’t take a single snap, it’s just a standard redshirt. Since Jordan had taken the redshirt that year, he wasn’t eligible for a redshirt of any kind his second year. But if you miss 2 years due to injury, you can apply for a 6th year at the end of your normal eligibility, which is what Jordan did last year.
The way it was explained to me, the difference between a medical redshirt and a 6th year is that you apply for a medical redshirt at the end of the season, and anyone who has not used their redshirt year is eligible for one, provided they meet the playing time requirements and can prove their injury status. You cannot apply for a 6th year until you have exhausted your eligibility, and you must have missed 2 years with an injury (i.e. you can’t redshirt your first year for normal reasons, get injured your second year, and then apply for a 6th year).
I was told there are actually a lot of players who apply for 6th years but almost all of them get denied because the schools can’t prove injury to the NCAA’s satisfaction. So we are again fortunate to have an athletic department that has its crap together.
I imagine it’s a rather difficult burden of proof for a 6th year then. It’s very perishable evidence. I guess that’s why it would make more sense to apply for the medical redshirt.
I actually am unsure about one thing you mentioned. I thought it was allowed for a player to apply for a medical redshirt even after having used his regular redshirt.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
No because you only get 5 years
That’s why Shipley couldn’t take a medical redshirt for his second year. If you redshirt your first year, you’ve only got 4 years left to play 4 seasons, so it is assumed you will play all of those years. The conference (who grants medical redshirts) is not going to give you another redshirt on the off chance that the NCAA will approve you for a 6th year down the road.
If your first missed year was due to injury, you take a redshirt (regular if you missed the whole season, or medical if you played some). If you get injured again, causing you to miss another year, that second missed year is just that … a missed year. You sit out, and it counts against you. That’s why Shipley was considered a senior last year; he was technically in his fourth playing season, even though he missed all of 2005. But at the end of your 5th year, you can get that second missed year back by applying for a 6th year, provided you jump through all the NCAA’s hoops satisfactorily.
I guess that's why DeMarcus Granger lost his appeal for a sixth season
And it makes me think that Ryan Reynolds might not win his either.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
It'd be nice to have Wells
I expect KU to come out with a mind to spread the field, so the depth at safety would be nice.
Muck’s gotta get healthy. I hope he’s to the point where they have no concerns about complicating the injury by playing him, but if that’s not the case, I hope they hold him in reserve until that point. I want him available to whoop some aggie and then the championships.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 16, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions
How replaces Monroe?
Any chance Hales or Goodwin get more action…
Shipley will replace Monroe
Assume you are asking about kickoff returns. Mack said Shipley will take Monroe’s spot, along side Malcolm Williams.
As far as the jet sweep, if it is used anymore I’d bet Goodwin gets those carries. He carried it on that play against either Baylor or UCF.
by Horncasting on Nov 17, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Shipley.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Shipley gets enough play
I would like to see Goodwin get some returns. He just seems like the kind of guy who’d be a good fit for replacing DJ there so that Shipley isn’t constantly on the field to get tired.
TEXAS FIGHT
Someone made a good point about Shipley returning...
With the way our defense is playing Shipley might only be back there two or three times in any game. If they kick it into or out of the endzone he might not even have to take a step. If they kick away from him he doesn’t have to mix it up with the opposition. He might literally not even get credited with a KR with only 2 games remaining in the regular season. I am not too worried. In the end the punt returns are more dangerous.
More details on DJ's whereabouts Saturday night
Erin Hogan and Dan Neil were discussing this on the radio this morning. They said Mack texted DJ at 11:15 PM, and DJ was in his room at that time. He was also in his room at 11:45 when Coach Rucker made the rounds at the dorm. So this was a case of him deliberately breaking the rules and sneaking out after curfew, and I would guess that has something to do with why this was an indefinite suspension and was not handled the way Lamarr Houston’s suspension was handled last season.
The coaches check up on the player dorms on Saturday nights?
That’s kind of odd, isn’t it? You wouldn’t think they’d go around to dorm rooms after an afternoon game for bed checks on weekends. Is there an actual curfew in place? We sure as heck didn’t have one on my team except the night before competition…which, I suppose, could explain why I turned out to be such a bad apple.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I admit, it seems drastic
But given the problems we’ve had in the recent past, can you blame them for keeping a tight grip on things? As far as I know, it’s only the players who live on campus who get checked up on. Of course, the only players who are allowed to live off campus are the ones they trust not to screw up.
Really?
I figured only freshmen were required to live on campus. That was a school policy, with no additional team policy, at all the programs where I took official or unofficial visits back in 1996-97.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know how they do it everywhere else
But here, you have to have your head coach’s permission to live off campus, regardless of your classification. And if you’re on scholastic probation, you are automatically prohibited from living off campus.
For all sports at UT?
I did visits at TCU, Baylor, KU, KSU, Tulsa, OSU, Abilene Christian, and a number of others, and all of them seemed to have the same policy that freshman had to live in the dorms unless they had immediate family members with whom the could live, and then were free to move off campus once they had completed their first year.
Are you positive about the policy? I wouldn’t play for a program, even if offered a full ride to my favorite school, that treated me like a child. No effing way. I was in the military, as I’ve mentioned, and that kind of micromanagement is counterproductive.
I can’t imagine being a 20YO stuck in a lame dorm room.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
You probably wouldn't have to worry about it...
But if you can’t keep your grades up and then bitch and moan about having to live in the dorm, you probably get shown your way out of the program pretty quickly! I doubt Shipley and Colt had to do much but go to Brown and say, “We are planning on getting an apartment next year, OK coach?” I am sure Brown didn’t bat an eye in giving them permission. That’s probably the way it goes for a majority of the guys.
Yes, for all sports
It’s not meant to treat people like children. If you behave like an adult, you will be treated like one. Texas has many athletes in all sports who live off campus because they’ve demonstrated they can handle their academic responsibilities and not get into legal trouble. Unless you give the coaches a reason not to trust you or unless you’re in danger of flunking out of school, they’re not likely to force you to live on campus against your will.
And aside from the behavioral and academic aspects of it, it’s also a financial issue. The scholarship athletes who live off campus have their housing expenses paid differently, so there are some hoops to jump through regarding that as well.
The NCAA allows players to receive the money that would go toward room and board in the dorms and put it toward their off-campus housing. I just had to go each semester to get a check from the athletic rep at the bursar’s office and deposit it in my account.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I'm talking about
UT pays it out in 9 installments to the players who live off campus, and there is an official process they have to go through in relation to that, which includes getting the head coach’s okay to live off campus. The school won’t issue the checks without authorization from the coach, just in case a player is trying to move off campus on the sly.
Indefinite suspension
Monroe’s academic problems last year may have added to the penalty as well.
by Horncasting on Nov 17, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
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