Horns #3 in BCS
Horns gain .0002, TCU gains .0014. Safe to say TCU is pretty much in need of a Texas loss or losses by both SEC contenders.
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These aren’t the new rankings (check out LSU).
Yea, you rite
Figured I’d link to the official one…serves me right for trusting foxsports over espn. The gains are right though.
Here ya go
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/5
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
whoops...
That was Harris Poll
This is BCS:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
3 First place votes for TCU
Please tell me how and where to vote to impeach these “voting experts” from all future polls. I’m an old SWC guy, but please, giive me break.
"loss by both SEC contenders"
I grew up in Austin, and my grandpa taught at TCU for thirty years, so I’ve always had a loyalty conundrum with UT and TCU. Usually it’s UT. But a MNC game between the two would be awesome.
Thus, here’s an anal question that keeps popping up to me: If Florida were to lose to FSU, or Bama to Auburn, and then in the SEC title game, the team that had just lost its first game won…
Does TCU neccesarily jump both of them in that scenario (and play Texas in Pasadena, presumably)?
I have a weird suspicion that one of the SEC teams would still get in.
Most people believe it will be the 1-loss SEC team.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Well a 1-loss SEC champion.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Good question
I’d say 1-loss Florida with an SEC championship has less of a chance than a 1-loss Bama just because Bama’s SOS is higher, a loss to Auburn is “better” than a home loss to FSU, and Bama is already #1 in the computers. But I have no idea really.
I have no idea either
and in a way, that’s where the BCS makes its money, is on nobody knowing what’s gonna happen. Could it be that a season w/o “bcs controversy” is actually bad for the system, since when we get down to it it’s really all about tv ratings/selling ads, and no one’s gonna watch espn for college football coverage over the next month if tex, bama and flor all win out? which is a roundabout way of asking, is TCU gonna be all anyone talks about from Dec. 5 to Jan. 5th?
The BCS Guru had a good article on how TCU could make the title game. It is likely? No.
by dimecoverage on Nov 22, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
So basically one loss SEC champinon is better than one loss Big 12 champion?
it makes remainder of schedule crucial…(I mean so was all the previous games before)
Dont wanna say i am freaking out, but A&M game and Big 12 championship game makes me nervous…
Especially the Big 12 game, doesnt this remind anyone of 1996 Roll Left except our positions have significantly changed?
COACH BOOM BABY!!
A one-loss SEC champion will trump a one-loss Big 12 champion.
We have to concede that the SEC is a stronger conference this year.
by dimecoverage on Nov 22, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
personally, i'll be rooting hard for a no-loss SEC team to meet us in the end..
I want the bigger trophy head.
I really doubt
that an undefeated team WON’T come out of the SEC. I was just hypothetically posing the question re: TCU. I don’t think they’d jump even a both-having-one-loss florida AND alabama, given the way the press runs things lately. One-loss Bama and Gator fan bases would still be screaming bloody murder about being jumped by an undefeated TCU, which would generate Controversy, Ratings, Etc.
If this happens
God I sure hope the Aggies play to their potential and we beat tu’s backside off, but I am not happy that this outcome benefits TCU more than it benefits us. I dislike TCU even more than I dislike tu or tech
thanks? I think?
How ’bout Texas shows up instead of (tu) Tulsa Univ. or Trinity Univ. and we just let it play out. Sure think Texas will handle a&m and Neb.
That said, do I think a 6-6 Aggie team can beat TCU, hell ya. NO doubt. I would take that regardless of points.. Have at them!!
C'mon, that's just silly.
Aggie can’t play his way out of a wet paper bag. Let’s not go saying they could beat TCU. It’s an insult to TCU and what they have accomplished this season, and it’s an insult to the Aggies’ tradition of mediocrity.
"It's comin' home to Texas. It's comin' home all the way back to Awwwstin, Texas, baby!" -VY
by 2100 San Jac on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well put, bravo sir.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 23, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions
I think what he's saying is...
Aggies could beat TCU. I’m quite sure he doesnt think they will, but in all honesty, I would love to see A&M beat TCU. I honestly can’t decide which is worse, delusional Aggie fans or delusional TCU fans.
I’m going with TCU fans, because the Aggies are still funny to me. TCU just annoys the living hell out of me.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
What I would like to know is why the computers have such a hard on for Cincinnati?
A 5-5 Connecticut put up 45 points and lost by 2. Their highest ranked opponent is #21. They have beat up on a bunch of mediocre to bad teams.
The horns closest game was against OU that was ranked at the time. UT did a better job against a top rated OSU than Cincinnati did against a 5-5 Connecticut.
I guess still matters at this point in the season that Cincinnati beat Southeast Missouri State by 67 points.
You are conviently forgetting thier win over a good Oregon ST team AT OSU.
And really, who gives a F if OU was ranked when we beat them? Why does that matter? They obviously didn’t deserve the ranking. One of your arguments is that they beat at 5-5 UConn by 2. Well, we beat a 6-5 OU by 3. Our best win is over OSU, and I’m not sure that it is better than their OrSU (OkSU lost to Cougar High, almost lost to aggie and Colorado – BAD teams). But even if OkSU is the better win, I would say that their schedule is better after (if) they beat Pitt.
Such hypocrisy. That is one of the biggest problems with the BCS. People will spin whatever game they want with all this “my win is better than your win” BS.
I think the Horns are better, but with our schedule screw (FU Arkansas and Utah), we won’t get to prove it. We will get the championship game anyway, but I’d much rather play it out on the field to prove it. UConn will have a right to bitch when they get left out (notice that they scheduled TWO BCS non cons plus Fresno before anyone starts saying “It is their fault. The should schedule better.”)
At 6-5 OU is a winning team and only scored 13.
Uconn scored 45 and they are not a winning team. No body has scored more than 24 points on the horns all year. OSU is 9-2 and #12 BCS and the horns beat them by 27. Oregon St is #16 BCS, 8-3 and Cincinnati beat by only 10. OU is still the 11th rated defense in the country. The best defense Cincinnati has played is #22 Rutgers.
Where is the hypocrisy in wondering why the Computers rate Cincinnati at .920 and Texas and TCU at .880 and .870? The Cincinnati schedule and their wins aren’t that much better and Texas stats are much better except Cincinnati throws for more yards but Texas scores better so I still want to know why do the computers like Cincinnati.
The hypocrisy is in saying UConn hasn’t played anyone, look at our schedule we beat an awesome OU and a bunch of other awesome teams. OU is a bad team this year. BAD. That number 11 D gave up 41 yesterday to a 7-4 team. UH held TTech to less points.
Plain and simple, Cinn has played better teams on average. That is why the computers like them. The only argument that can be made is that our best win is better than thier best win. After watching OSU struggle to beat bad Ga, Colorado, and A&M teams and lose to UH, I’m not sure that is entirely true.
Actually Cincinnati trails us in most of the computer SOSs.
4 of the computers show their SOS. Now I don’t know how they use the SOS in their BCS rankings and I don’t know if the SOS they show is different from the one they use to compute the BCS rankings, but here the computer rankings and their SOS, in parens if they have one shown
Billingsley: us #3, Cincy #5-no SOS
Sagarin: us #6 (56), Cincy #2 (65)-Not sure how he has us with a better SOS but a lower ranking…odd…I wonder if his SOS includes margin of victory (we are #1 in his Predictor model…Cincy is #13).
Colley: us #2 (60), Cincy #4 (66)
Wolfe: us #5, Cincy #2-no SOS
Massey: us #5 (59), Cincy #2 (39)-His unbiased (using MOV) ranking has us with a better SOS and ranks us #2 to Cincy’s #6. I guess he and Sagarin have a SOS formula that includes MOV and Sagarin only shows that one.
Anderson/Hester: us #3 (42), Cincy #4 (47)
So of the 4 computers that show SOS, we have the better schedule in 3 of the 4 (though Massey has another SOS that has us with a better SOS). Now that difference will shrink or disappear entirely if they beat a 10-1 Pitt. The biggest problem with the computers is that they are neutered by not having margin of victory included.
Neither team played an exceptionally difficult schedule. Cincy might end up with a slightly better schedule, though if Pitt loses its last two we would gain ground by having Nebraska in the championship game. The issue is how did the two teams look in playing their decidedly average schedules. The voters seem quite clear in thinking that we have played better than Cincy. Oddly it is the computers that are hamstrung. The human voters have their biases and the computers are supposed to help balance that, but two of the computers admit that their BCS rankings are incomplete and can’t use their best algorithm which includes MOV.
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