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Horns_bullet_medium2010 sleeper emerges. Seemingly every season, a player emerges with a standout senior campaign -- last year, it was Stony Point's Tevin Mims, who become a Longhorn shortly after receiving his Texas offer. The sleeper who has burst onto the scene ($) this season is Eric Humphrey, a 6-4, 275-pound defensive tackle out of Dallas Parish Episcopal. After his coaches sent out his senior film, interest in the explosive senior has absolutely exploded, with teams like Oklahoma, Florida State, Nebraska, Oregon, Arkansas, and UCLA entering his recruitment, with more surely soon to follow. Currently, the standout private school player has official visits planned to Baylor, Texas Tech, and Kansas in the coming weeks and plans to take all five visits. Competition for those visits is fierce and getting fiercer.

What has college coaches salivating is his incredible explosiveness off the ball, as Humphrey possesses every bit of the quickness that studs like Ashton Dorsey and Taylor Bible show off on a regular basis underneath the Friday night lights. Despite his size, he plays a lot of defensive end for Episcopal and is an impressive edge rusher, making his projection as a defensive tackle all the more astounding. He could probably to play defensive end, especially in a 3-4 alignment, but his explosiveness is so rare for a kid his size and after spending some time in a college weight program, Humphrey appears capable of being a gap-shooting defensive tackle who can pressure the quarterback and cause havoc in offensive backfields -- watching him move, he looks like Lamarr Houston and though his reported 40 time is 4.89 (about the range of defensive ends in the 2011 class like Nathan Hughes and Cedric Reed), he comes off the ball extremely well, making him appear faster than his reported time. Even the pure numbers are spectacular ($) -- 77 tackles, 18 sacks, 27 tackles for loss, 6 forced fumbles, 1 interception and 3 defensive touchdowns.

So, the question becomes, why did it take so long for Humphrey to gain notice and is it a concern that he plays against a low level of competition? Addressing the latter question, it might slow his development at the collegiate level, but the burst that he shows isn't dependent on the competition and, in fact, renders it largely irrelevant because Humphrey would show the same skill set against better players. Take into account the fact that the Acho brothers came from a similar situation and both became acclimated to the college game extremely quickly, so playing at a small private school is far from the developmental kiss of death its sometimes bad out to be.

As for the first question, the lack of attention until recently stemmed from several factors: he didn't participate on the camp circuit, didn't send out his junior film, and plays at such a small school. In addition, much like Tevin Mims and Greg Daniels, a player who burst onto the scene much earlier than Humphrey, but was still a relative unknown when the Longhorns scooped him up, Humphrey put on 35 pounds in the last year and the proverbial light switch went on for him.

It looks like the Longhorns have entered the recruitment of Humphrey, who maintains that he didn't follow any particular teams growing up and is open at this point. In fact, he said this week that he is "very interested ($)" in Texas. Furthermore, he indicated that Bobby Kennedy, the recruiter for his area, invited him down for an official visit and Humphrey agreed to come down, though he has to speak with Kennedy later this week to set up the trip, so stay tuned about that.

Does Texas need to add another defensive tackle to the class? Some of that consideration may come down to where the coaches see him playing -- if they see him as a defensive end in the 3-4 and as a pass-rushing interior linemen, then it makes sense to offer him even though there are already two gap-shooting tackles in the class in Dorsey and Bible. The key here is that defensive tackles are hard to come by and the Longhorns have had bad luck in recent years, losing players like Brian Ellis, Andre Jones, Michael Wilcoxon, and Jarvis Humphrey for various reasons. Basically, it's hard to have too much depth at the position, so it makes sense to offer Humphrey and see what happens.

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Horns_bullet_mediumThoughts on White, Jeffcoat, and the "Mystery Recruit." Both Darius White and Jackson Jeffcoat made it down for the Kansas game on Saturday night and witnessed just about everything that is positive about the Texas program right now, most importantly the heartflet and emotional honoring of the senior leaders of the team -- Colt McCoy, Jordan Shipley, Sergio Kindle, and Lamarr Houston, first and foremost. They saw Texas fans at their best, as well as the deep and genuine bonds that those players have formed with their coaches. In contrast to the coach across the field, it was obvious from the Senior Night festitivites that players leaving Texas will never tell stories about their coaches using their personal lives to attack them in misguided attempts to motivate them.

For Jeffcoat and White, it must have been abundantly clear that the famous "family atmosphere" at Texas clearly is that. Perhaps White also was able to clear the air with the coaches about the incident at the spring game involving his close friend Rashod Favors. The Dunbar star obviously did not commit to Texas this week and still plans on visiting Norman again this weekend, so the Sooners will likely have the last say in this one unless White makes a decision in a next several days to become a Longhorn, which is doubtful. The best case scenario here is that White remembered all the reasons he talked so much about coming to Texas early in the process, but it's impossible to say right now whether or not that happened. The main thing to remember here is that things look infinitely better with White than they did before he announced his official visit to Austin.

As for Jeffcoat, he didn't get to see the best performance by the Texas defense this season and didn't get to see anything paritcularly exotic from the Buck package. However, if he can talk with Muschamp and not want to be a part of the Texas defense, then USC or Oklahoma would probably be a better fit for him. Jeffcoat reveals so little about his recruitment, there probably won't be an update this week about him, so Texas fans will just have to feel thankful that Jeffcoat did make it down to Austin and did so an a great night to see the program cast in an extremely positive light.

Since the talk about the "Mystery Recruit" began in a War Room more than a week ago, I don't want to get into much discussion about because of the BON policy of not talking about uncomfirmed content from that feature on Orangebloods. Until the prospect visits Austin, it's pretty much all speculation and I'm sure the other boards like Hornfans and Shaggy Bevo are well into it. As I mentioned in the thread on the topic, it's not worth discussing Mike Davis in regards to being the "Mystery Recruit" because he doesn't have a Texas offer and isn't likely to receive one. If Darius White goes to Oklahoma, recruiting at the receiving position will be finished. The Longhorns already have a log jam at the position that will probably lead to some attrition this spring. Other players without offers like Evan Washington are also not worth talking about, because they don't have an offer. Texas might offer Eric Humphrey, but they won't be offering any players committed to other schools. Obviously, that's just my opinion, but I just can't see it happening.

Horns_bullet_mediumOn the 2011 radar: Austin Sefarian-Jenkins. Since the position isn't deep in talent again in 2011, the Longhorns may have to look out of state, just as they did with Blaine Irby several years ago. The name is Austin Seferian-Jenkins, from Gig Harbor, Washington and he's a mammoth target at 6-7 and 250 pounds. Like the other two, Seferian-Jenkins is an excellent basketball player, but he's more of a national recruit than the other two, having received offers ($) from Washington, Washington State, and Stanford before his junior season and now has more than 20 ($). Miami is reported to have been his childhood favorite, with Oklahoma and USC also in the mix in the early going.

It's too early in the process to gauge if his interest in Texas is significant, but he did visit during the spring -- the first necessary sign. However, the Texas visit was just one of many cross-country trips for Seferian-Jenkins, who has also visited USC and Florida, among other schools. For him to receive an offer, he would have to make it down for a Junior Day or otherwise make a trip to Austin in the spring.

Known as a good student and as someone who has began to work harder in the weight room, Seferia-Jenkins says that he takes pride in his blocking ($) and his work to become a complete tight end, evident at one point in his second highlight reel when he absolutely and viciously decleats ($) some poor opponent. At this point, he needs to work on keeping his pads low, a common problem for young players, but it's his athleticism and size ($) that truly sets him apart for a player his size. When he comes off the ball low, he can blow opponents off the ball and he has the thickness in his lower body that could eventually make him into an excellent tackle, though he's too fast to move from tight end unless he really packs on the weight. He's not as fast as a guy like Jermichael Finley, but he is a pure tight end with his huge frame and does appear to have the speed to stretch the seam. If there's a major complaint, it's that his highlights show little vareity in route running and it's hard to tell if he can make opponents miss in space or even run them over, though he clearly has a lot of experience not only blocking in space, but also lining up split wide as a receiver.

Given that he didn't grow up a Texas fan and isn't particularly high on the Longhorns at this point, he will have to make a visit to Austin to not only confirm his interest in the Longhorns, but also to grow more comfortable with the Texas program and coaches. The Longhorns would have to make a strong impression on him during any potential visit to have any chance in his recruitment. Since Seferian-Jenkins has already shown interest in Texas, it makes him a worthwhile target, even if the chances of landing him are small.

Horns_bullet_mediumOn the 2011 radar: MJ McFarland. It's no secret that tight ends have been hard to find recently in the state of Texas, leading the Longhorns to move Jordan Shipley into the flex tight end position lat year after numerous injuries and Dan Buckner into the position this year. The early name from the 2011 class at the tight end position is Chris Barnett, the younger brother of Eryon Barnett and it's already been a strange recruitment -- at first Barnett said that wanted to go out-of-state, before news surfaced later that the Longhorns are his top team, with Barnett sounding like a virtual lock ($) if Texas offers. There are two issues with Barnett, however -- the first being that he might not be a tight end at all. He plays some defensive end for his high school team and may end up there in college and the second that his film is not particularly impressive. In fairness to the younger Barnett, it's hard to tell much about his explosiveness or his route runner, which is elsewhere described as needing more polish.

Much like Everett Pleasant, who also stars on the basketball court, as well as playing tight end, El Dorado's MJ McFarland stars on both the gridiron and the hardwood ($). Standing 6-5 and weighing 220 pounds, McFarland caught 56 passes this season, picking up 987 yards in the process. He also has an offer from UTEP and is drawing interest from the Longhorns, Kasnas, Texas Tech, and Baylor. There isn't a lot of information out there on McFarland, as well as no evaluations either, so he's just another name for the radar at this point.

 

Horns_bullet_mediumWhat in the heck does "pro-style" mean? As mentioned in the Kansas Five Things to Watch post, Aaron Green made the trip to Austin for the game, one of the few visits he has made this season. Most of the discussion on the Five Things thread focused on Green's comments about wanting to play in a "pro-style" offense. As it was pointed out, it's hard to say what a pro-style offense even is with the success of the Patriots throwing the ball around the field out of the shotgun and the Wildcat offense even spreading around the read. The Eagles run the zone read with Michael Vick when he enters the game, something Tennessee did occasionally several years ago with Vince Young.

Most likely, though, what Green means is that he wants to play in an offense that features running from under center, rather than from the shotgun, possibly with a fullback in front of him. Whether that means he prefers a drive blocking scheme or zone blocking scheme isn't clear, since many teams in the NFL run the zone blocking scheme -- Indianapolis has run the stretch play for years and Gary Kubiak has been famous for his zone blocking in Denver and Houston.

Are the Longhorns a fit, then, if Green does want to have a head start when he gets the ball and run behind a fullback? On the first count, the Longhorns will probably continue to use their jet tempo look next season, which primarily features running the ball from under center, with the possibility of moving back to a Chris Simms-style offense, which could probably best be described as pro style, although it's worth pointing out that Garrett Gilbert played in shotgun, spread offenses in high school, so he may have to work on his footwork a bit if Texas decides to go under center more often. Fortunately, the last half of this season has allayed concerns about effectively running play action out of the shotgun.

Using more I formation is probably less likely than going under center because it doesn't make much sense right now to take wide receivers off the field considering the depth at the position. Basically, even if the Longhorns go under center more often, they will still most likely focus on spreading the field with three receivers, a tight end, and a running back, whie still using the four-wide look as a change of pace and on passing downs.

Here's a question, though -- if Green doesn't want to run zone plays from the shotgun, do the Longhorns tell him that they will adjust the scheme for him, or do they simply move on and target Malcolm Brown and Herschel Sims?

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Here’s a question, though — if Green doesn’t want to run zone plays from the shotgun, do the Longhorns tell him that they will adjust the scheme for him, or do they simply move on and target Malcolm Brown and Herschel Sims?

I honestly believe Green is emulating the words of Husker coaches telling him what he wants to hear. This is a very narrow minded view for such a great athlete and if he is of the opinion that the offense needs to center around him, then we move on. NFL scouts would rate him down the draft board with such limited exposure to what a spread or shotgun system requires of a back.

I am building a groove for Herschel Sims and think he makes a better fit for us anyway. Malcolm Brown and Herschel Sims would be a chilling one two punch.

Green looks great on film and will be a good back for anyone who fits his agenda.

by orangetower on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 AM CST reply actions  

so because his collegiate experience is largely made up by what largely makes up the NFL…. his draft stock is going to be hurt because he never ran out of the gun/spread offense? that makes no sense. at all.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 24, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

It Makes Absolute Sense

Where have you been?

so because his collegiate experience is largely made up by what largely makes up the NFL

It’s not relevant to the name of the offensive scheme, but what the scheme requires of a back. The I formation offers limited blocking, run to the designated hole, limited passes out of the backfield which all make for questionable value given the unknowns. I don’t think Green has the size to be a durable 30 carry a game back. Is he an elite athlete? Yes. Can he run the ball? Yes. He would have that opportunity with an I-formation scheme. Then what? Who can you name that exclusively or even primarily runs an I-formation in the NFL?

by orangetower on Nov 24, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I think its a little early

to be talking about the kids draft stock. In any scenario he is still 4 years away from even being eligible for it. A lot of things can happen in between then and now. Let’s keep it relevant to how he would fit in with Texas.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Nov 24, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Relevant?

How many of these guys are picking their school as to how it would prepare them and highlight their skills for the NFL? I think it’s very relevant.

by orangetower on Nov 24, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

There's no way to tell how many

recruits are picking schools based off of how they would prepare them for the NFL. Its immeasurable. What is much more measurable is how recruits say they pick Texas for its family atmosphere and chance to compete for a national championship. Those are the things Mack concentrates on. Thus, not relevant.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Nov 24, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So You Think

The 6 Longhorns on the field in the Monday night Titans/Texans game makes absolutely no impression on elite caliber recruits? Then neither the fact that Duane Akina has coached more NFL D-backs than any other coach in college football.?

I might be missing your spin on relevance.

by orangetower on Nov 25, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions  

who says a pro offense is defined as 100% I-formation?

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 24, 2009 1:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

On Another Note

Why would we want to change one of the best scoring offenses in the Nation when we have all the right tools to deliver similar or better results. Garrett Gilbert can play from the shotgun and knows the spread very well. We have all of our RB’s back next year who already know this system and are so deep at WR. I pray Blaine Irby can get back as well. It makes no sense to reinvent the wheel. I understand that Gilbert may never reach the percentages Colt has, but I think it’s worth a look first.

by orangetower on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome sentence is awesome.
Other players without offers like Evan Washington are also not worth talking about, because they don’t have an offer.

I LOLed

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Nov 24, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

I agree there is no point to talking about anyone until there is at least some legitimate smoke...

But Humphrey doesn’t have an offer either, so why is it out of the question that Washington or Davis won’t get a belated offer? The staff seems to like it when the top guys actively come to us, so I am sure if either Washington or Davis has been in touch with the staff they have kept an open ear.

I don’t want to open up additional speculation about these guys, but just because Ketch says we are looking at Humphrey doesn’t mean any more than guys on Shaggy Bevo saying Davis is looking at us and we are interested. If Gerry Hamilton backs it up, I’ll believe there is smoke, but if Ketch says Humphrey is on the radar I won’t be any more inclined to believe it over Washington or Davis until he too has an offer.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

You missed the point

It was a redundant sentence. It made me laugh. I’m sorry you wasted your time replying to me.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Nov 24, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, really wasn't meant as a response to you...

It was a response to the original post, but I was using your quote as my launching point.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Davis and Washington

There’s no indication that either one will make a trip to campus, which they would have to do to get an offer. If suddenly there is an announcement that Davis is visiting, then it would be time to start talking about whether he might de-commit from LSU and come to Texas. if the Longhorns were really going after him, the time to do it would have been before Cobbs committed and when it looked like there was little chance with White.

Humphrey says that he is planning on coming in on a visit and likes Texas, which is when he would receive his offer and that’s the major reason why it’s worth talking about him but not players committed elsewhere. There aren’t any public quotes I’m aware of that have any players committed to other schools talking about Texas.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 24, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree and appreciate the info on Humphrey...

But he doesn’t have an offer and might not get one even if he makes a visit (obviously, I doubt he would come if he wasn’t promised an offer). But you’re suggesting the reason for not talking about Washington and Davis is their lack of an offer, which really has nothing to do with it. The reasons for not talking about Washington and Davis is that we have no evidence that they are planning on making the pilgrimage to Austin, which would ultimately signal the likelihood of getting the offer.

Maybe the Davis talk really is just talk, but there seemed to be some smoke coming out of Austin and Baton Rouge, so his lack of an offer really has little to do with the situation especially as compared to Humphrey who doesn’t have an offer either. All it takes is a public quote from Davis about some interest in Texas and then he is on the official radar whether he has an offer in hand or not. I think the Davis situation is the same as the Cobb situation. The coaches aren’t making the moves its the player. If Davis has just recently decided LSU might not be the place he wants to play, he could open up communication with the coaches. The Cobbs situation probably only affects how the coaches might react to the change in attitude on Davis’s part, but I doubt they are actively out there trying to sway him if he hasn’t been in contact of his own volition, especially considering White is still on the board.

Sorry for the nitpick, but I felt you were holding the ‘no offer in hand’ thing a little too high, when the offer ultimately is predicated at this point on the player and coaches showing mutual interest and getting a visit in order. Humphrey has those two things. Davis was rumored to be holding the first one and looking to do the second. But if you want to use the offer as the threshold, then they are in the same place.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

But you’re suggesting the reason for not talking about Washington and Davis is their lack of an offer, which really has nothing to do with it. The reasons for not talking about Washington and Davis is that we have no evidence that they are planning on making the pilgrimage to Austin, which would ultimately signal the likelihood of getting the offer.

The fact they don’t have an offer has everything to do with not talking about them. If they had an offer, all they would have to do is talk to the coaches and they could commit to Texas, then make it down to Austin to make it official, as happened with Cobbs. As it is right now, the players have to come to Austin, which would be reported, then receive their offer and, presumably, commit on the spot.

As to your second part, in my post above I said that it would only be time to talk about either player when they announce a trip to Austin, so you’re repeating what I said.

The bottom line is that there’s almost no way the Longhorns would even take Davis unless White commits somewhere else and the coaches know several wide receivers are leaving after the year. I’m not sure what the smoke coming out of Austin regarding Davis is, because I’m not aware of any, but I feel like most of the speculation surrounding Davis is fueled by people who thought he should have gotten an offer in the first place and haven’t given up on getting him — that’s my perspective on it.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 24, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

But Humphrey doesn't have an offer

I think what he’s saying is that if there’s no reason talk about someone who doesn’t have an offer, then there’s no reason to talk about Humphrey, who does not have an offer.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

In a nutshell this is what I am talking about...

Humphrey is worth discussing because it appears we are interested and he is interested and he is trying to get a visit in order. It seems to have little to do with him having an offer and more to do with mutual interest on both sides. I just find it hard to believe if Davis were to come knocking the coaching staff would tell him to take a hike because we didn’t extend him an offer earlier in the year.

I agree that the rumors are just that, but unlike Washington where it really seems people are just wishfully putting him on the radar, Davis seems to have suggested his commitment wasn’t as firm as is it once was and for some reason Texas has been thrown out as the school where he has turned his eyes. Its probably all BS, but unlike Washington whom we truly passed on after making a Junior Day appearance, my understanding is that Davis never made it to a Junior Day and quickly committed to LSU, which seems more like a lack of interest on his part than our passing on him.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to make this a capital case and was, as I said, nitpicking. At this late stage I wouldn’t rule out anyone who is a quality player but doesn’t have an offer as somehow completely off the books. I have to think the coaches would listen to any last minute pleas from guys who quickly committed elsewhere and therefore never got one of our early offers. As you said, without evidence I have no expectations of your addressing every rumor, but I wouldn’t unilaterally declare guys out of the picture until February.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

OU has 25 Commits

So, I wonder when guys like Jeffcoat, White, Sills, Prather, and now Humphrey ask Big Game Bob which guys out the current 25 are really NOT getting the schollies what does he say? I mean, which player/recruit does he throw under the bus and in which order.

IF you are a current OU recruit, how does it feel to know the Coach is offering your spot to another player? Talk is cheap.

by Wrangler86 on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Interesting point

and obviously an important one since both White and Jeffcoat are seriously considering Oklahoma and something that will be interesting to watch.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong on this . . .

25 is the one-year limit. But if five players enter a school in January (there have to be scholarship openings, of course), they would count against the previous year (or the current year). Another 25 could enter in June or August.

by edsp on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you are right

but they did have 23 commits last year. Not sure how many enrolled early. OU also takes JUCO players all the time, so any recruit that thinks he knows where he stands at OU is just kidding himself.
We had 20 commits all enroll, but a few were early so we are fine on numbers for the year. Our biggest area of concern is the 85 total cap. I’m sure with medical, academic and personal issues we are probably fine.

by Wrangler86 on Nov 25, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Haven't heard about academic issues

Scott and Collins seem unlikely to be enduring issues in that regard. I guess Monroe could be a concern.

I do wonder who might have medical issues that would lead him to leave the team. I’d hate to see Irby call it a career, but it’s a possibility. I’ve not seen anything to indicate long-term problems for Ian Harris, Jared Norton, D.J. Grant, or Josh Marshall. Any others with potentially career-ending injuries?

by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

They know its cutthroat...

These guys have probably shed few tears over the juniors and seniors they displaced when they became starters early in their careers. I guess, since White made such a fuss about us not giving Favors a higher profile ride on his visit even though we weren’t interested in Favors, he should be asking that very question. But I am sure he doesn’t care so long as they tell him its someone other than Favors who gets tossed. It will be too late to change his mind should Favors be the guy they decide is the low man on the totem pole.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Favors was injured this year

So he is probably one of THE bottom guys. I’m looking for a an unfortunate but convenient academic non-qualification for him and a few other 3 star guys.

by Wrangler86 on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess my point is that the Bob will lie...

Stoops certainly isn’t going to tell White, should he ever be audacious enough to ask the question, that Favors is on the drop list should White be joined by other top level guys. He will tell him there will be room for them all because they know some guys probably won’t make their grades or that some of them are planning on greyshirting. He will just make up whatever convenient excuse he needs to and the player won’t have any choice but to believe him or not since he won’t know the truth until his letter has been faxed to OU.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Early enrollees do not count against the 25 for this class

They count against the prior year’s class – assuming it was below 25.

Not saying this is, or isn’t the case here, but taking over 25 commitments doesn’t necessarily mean that there are grade issues or that someone is going to get left without a scholarship.

There is also the chance that one of the commits is asked to gray shirt, something UT has done recently, including with Espinosa in the current class.

by Horncasting on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

If that's the case...

…then there’s plenty of room. The following were UT’s early enrollments for 2009:

Tariq Allen LB Irving (Texas) MacArthur
Thomas Ashcraft OT Cedar Hill (Texas) High
Marcus Davis CB League City (Texas) Clear Creek
Dominique Jones DE Kilgore (Texas) High
Kyle Kriegel DE Elysian Fields (Texas) High
Alex Okafor DE Pflugerville (Texas) High
Kenny Vaccaro S Brownwood (Texas) Early
Mason Walters C Wolfforth (Texas) Frenship

I’m not sure how many of those would count toward 2008 instead of 2009, but it’d be at least five (Marquise Goodwin notwithstanding), and possibly more, since some of the 2008 class could’ve counted toward 2007. If what you say about counting toward the previous year is accurate, then UT is in good shape.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

But the OP was talking about OU...

I don’t think OU has gotten as many early enrollees much less guys willing to greyshirt. I could be wrong. We are still under 25 and currently don’t even have 5 uncommitted guys with offers. Our problem is that we don’t currently have room for 25 straight up. OU is already at 25 and they still have a handful of high-profile guys in the mix. They may very well have to cut loose someone if they are lucky enough to get a high percentage of these late breakers. I doubt these late deciders care about OU being at 25 unless they are concerned about depth chart. They certainly could care less if some other guy loses his place to make room. (Unless you are Darius White who I would assume would not be happy if his bud Favors got dropped to make room for him or some other blue chipper.)

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

re: worries about fitting White, Jeffcoat, et al under the limit

I thought my post was relevant to the concern that UT might not be able to fit White, Jeffcoat, Humphrey, Davis, and others under the cap.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

25 annual limit is not the issue with UT

It is the 85 man total scholarship limit that is the real issue. I believe that in order to take the current committed class, plus those 4, UT is going to have to have attrition of around 10 players this spring. That is a ton in one off season.

by Horncasting on Nov 24, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem is largely at WR and TE

Tons of guys at those positions, and just one scholarship player (Shipley) graduates. That’s amazing, yet also poses a bit of a problem.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It just seemed like your response was out of sync with Wrangler's OP...

Wrangler was posting about OU’s potential number issues of going over the 25 commits and how would Stoops sell these last guys on spots that technically don’t exist. Horncasting then noted that just because they have more than 25 OU could get around it with early enrollees and grayshirts. Your response just seemed a non-sequitur since no one was questioning our ability to get our commits into the program.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Positional recruiting numbers

Obviously the coaches have a better handle on the team’s needs than I do, but for the life of me I cannot understand why we are only recruiting 2 OL this year.

After 2010 we will have lost 8 OL currently on the roster, 3 Srs. and 5 Jrs. That is half of the OL currently on the roster. Mack has stated numerous times that he recruits positions based on the current juniors, but this doesn’t seem to be the case this year. Going into 2011, we pretty much have to have near 100% hit rate on guys already on campus or recruits committed, or we are going to have to play some true freshman – rarely a good idea on the OL.

Looking ahead a couple of years, LB looks pretty thin too.

Current commit numbers break down like this:

QB – 2
WR/TE -4-5 (depending on if Cobbs plays WR or S), with potentially 2 more.
RB – 1
OL – 2
DT – 3, with potentially 1 more
DE – 2, with potentially 1 more
LB – 2, with potentially 1 more
CB/S – 3-4 (depending on Cobbs)

So numbers wise, OL would seem to be a big need this year and yet OL will make up 10% or less of this class (at a position that takes up 21% of your starters). WR didn’t look like a huge need this year but WR/TE could make up a full third of this class.

 

by Horncasting on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

I never did get why we didn't go after Washington...

I know Matthews was our top target, but Washington seemed like a good bet to commit on the spot and was certainly ‘Texas good’. It never seemed like a stretch to take three OL and if we scored all our targets having 4 didn’t seem over the top considering the numbers in the program. I haven’t really looked at 2011, but I hope it is loaded with quality OL who all want to come to UT, otherwise we might be staring at an OU 2009-like disaster in a couple of years.

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The two best in the state in 2011

are Sedrick Flowers and Spencer Drango — the Longhorns are looking good with both of them and will take another tackle or two. Taylor Doyle from Lake Travis and then this kid from Hallsville are possibilities.

I think the coaches probably felt either that Washington doesn’t project as a tackle or is too much of a project since he hasn’t played football for very long. There may have been some other reason that hasn’t ever come out.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 24, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Good news on the 2011 guys.

I should have done it above, where I wasn’t really critiquing you but just wanting to remain hopeful that we will keep scoring on the recruiting front, but I just wanted to express my sincere thanks for the great commentary and analysis you provide here. As Thanksgiving approaches I would like to add that I am thankful to have found this wonderful site and I appreciate the wonderful job you all do to for us Longhorn fans!

by Rickyspub on Nov 24, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

I appreciate the kind words. No worries about earlier.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

How are we on OG?

I know we have Espinosa and Hopkins coming in this year. Is Garrett Porter slated as a OG or OT? I guess they can move guys around, just wondering how things are shaping up. Any thoughts on moving some of the EBS TE’s down to Tackle?

by orangetower on Nov 24, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

OL

-Porter was recruited as an OT. Anyone’s guess at this point where he ends up.

-Snow, Ashcraft, Hopkins and Espinosa all can play OG, although Snow and Espinosa will primarily be C.

-I think Walters ends up at OT, so one of Poehlman, Buchanan, Kelley or Porter probably ends up at OG.

-I don’t see any TE’s on the roster that would have any chance of moving to OT. Half are converted WR’s or H-backs.

Hopefully we’ll hear some info. on the young OL during Bowl workouts. The lack of information about 4-5 of those guys is a little alarming. Normally by now there have been rumblings that player X is the best (insert OT, OG, C) on the team.

by Horncasting on Nov 24, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

I was really jazzed about last years OL class. Look forward to seeing them play.

by orangetower on Nov 25, 2009 5:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh

Just snag Seantrel Henderson and call it a day. Easy.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Mystery recruit

In the thread you linked to with regards to past discussions on Mike Davis, you said that he was not invited to either of the junior days. He went to the first junior day with his teammates Nelson and Patterson. Link ($).

As to whether or not the staff has any intention on offering him and if we even have enough room for him, I’m optimistic. There were several corroborations of Mike Davis being the mystery recruit around the time of the “story” breaking from reputable, non OB-connected people. We’ll see, but I’m a lot more bullish than you are. And I like him as a player.

by whoopspat on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the correction

I had forgotten about that and didn’t check. In that case, he was one of the few players who was invited to that Junior Day and did not receive an offer.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 24, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

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