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The State of Oklahoma: See Ya Next Year, Okies

"Good luck trying to beat me next year, too."

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"Good luck trying to beat me next year, too."

Not much to say here, is there?  We avoided the early hole and ended the game in the first half.  The defense more than doubled Zac Robinson's interception total, even if Chykie probably should have knocked his INT down, Jordan Shipley easily won the battle with Perrish Cox, and Colt McCoy was efficient and effective.  The fact that we throttled the best offense we'll probably see until the bowl season was quite encouraging.

The Pokes still have an mathematical shot at the Big 12 South title, but I doubt they are seriously considering that possibility.  The Houston loss is now very costly; a one-loss Okie State would have been a good candidate for a BCS at-large berth, but even if they win out (and I'm inclined to think they'll lose to Oklahoma anyway), it is unlikely they're getting a BCS selection.  Next year, they can say goodbye to some key players and it's back to obscurity.

For those curious about their losses next year, here's a list of key players moving on:

Offense:

LT - Russell Okung
WR - Dez Bryant (already gone)
QB - Zac Robinson
RT - Brady Bond
C - Andrew Lewis
LG - Noah Franklin
RB - Beau Johnson
RB - Keith Toston

Defense:

CB - Perrish Cox
S - Lucien Antoine
LB - Donald Booker
LB - Patrick Lavine
LB - Andre Sexton
DT - Derek Burton
DT - Swanson Miller
DE - Jeremiah Price
CB - Terrance Anderson

Contributing returners

Offense:

RB - Kendall Hunter
WR - Hubert Anyiam
WR - Dameron Fooks
WR - Josh Cooper
TE - Wilson Youman
RG - Lane Taylor

Honorable mention:  RB Jeremy Smith

Defense:

DE - Ugo Chinasa
DE - Richetti Jones
DT - Shane Jarka
LB - Orie Lemon (injured this year)
S - Victor Johnson
S - Markelle Martin

And.... that's about it

Star-divide

There are several things worth mentioning.  First and foremost, their offense will be losing a ton of key players, particularly along the offensive line.  They have some decent receivers and Hunter returns along with promising freshman Jeremy Smith, but it looks to be a difficult transition for this offense for sure.  Their offense will most certainly take a step back from the last couple of years.

Defensively they also lose a lot, but many of the losses are not exactly crippling since they didn't have that great of a defense to begin with.  The biggest losses will be their linebackers and cornerback and return man Perrish Cox, but the others aren't departures to lose sleep over.

Thus, what we have is a team that will be losing most of their best players and who will be coming to Austin next year.  I think I like Mack's chances to improve to an impressive 13-0 against Okie State in 2010.

And with that, the State of Oklahoma ends for good this year, and we can happily place both games in the win column.  Because all we have to do is win to get to the promised land, there's no need to be overly concerned about what Oklahoma State and OU do from now on, but if I had to guess, I think Okie State loses to OU in Norman, beats Tech in Stillwater, and then Oklahoma squeaks one by in Lubbock.  I hate to pick OU to win anything, but their defense is second only to ours and much better than the rest of the Big 12's units.

Just for kicks, I'll ask the community how they think Oklahoma State will finish.

Poll
What will OSU's record be at season's end (before the bowl season)?
7-5
28 votes
8-4
80 votes
9-3
315 votes
10-2
64 votes

487 votes | Poll has closed

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Good Work on these this year TES

Its almost sad to see it come to an end.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I worry if

It will make our conference looks even weaker when comes to next year?

by Horns98 on Nov 3, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They self-destructed against us

But they’re a good bet for the rest of the year. I’d put money on them on all their remaining games. Well, except for Bedlam. I’m just gonna go over on that sucker.

In-VINCE-able.

by iamjackburton on Nov 3, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't count them out of BCS just yet...

If they win out, they’ll be top 10. Big 10 can only have two reps and rest of the 10 teams in front of them will lose again. If only they can get by OU.

by Orangechipper on Nov 3, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they're out of the BCS

It’s a numbers game.

Technically, there are four at large spots, but one will almost assuredly automatically go to TCU or Boise.

There’s a very good chance that the loser of the SEC Championship Game will fall no lower than 4, so that team will be an automatic bid.

Notre Dame also has a decent shot of getting an automatic bid if they win out.

That leaves one or two true “at large” BCS bids, and a non-marquee Okie State team, with two losses, will be competing against a team out of the Big 10 (probably Penn State), a two-loss USC, possibly a two-loss Miami and an undefeated, and higher-ranked, Boise State.

Not this year, Pokes.

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Nov 3, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Notre Dame?

How are they going to get an automatic bid? Their remaining schedule is probably weaker than Okie State’s, and they’re currently ranked behind Okie State. It stands to reason that if either of them gets an auto bid, it wouldn’t be Notre Dame.

The six automatic bids will go to the conference champions of course, but that leaves four more bids. A minimum of one will probably go to either TCU or Boise State. One will probably go to a one-loss, non-champion SEC team. From there, it’s a tight race for Oregon, the PSU/tOSU winner, USC, and maybe Miami, if none of those were to lose another game. Since it is unlikely that all of those teams win out, it’s hard to say what will happen, but Oklahoma State is probably right behind that group, with Notre Dame behind even Oklahoma State.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Notre Dame is eligable

they will go above OkSt. The fan base will travel better and the TV rating will be better, but the fans who actually want to see good games will suffer.

by Wells on Nov 3, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But that wouldn't be an automatic bid

HH said they have a decent shot of getting an automatic bid, when an automatic bid would be highly unlikely at this point. An at-large bid is indeed a possibility if ND wins out.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 3, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yes

I see what you are saying now. Notre Dame needs to get in the top 8 to get an automatic bid, and they would need a lot of teams to lose to get there.

by Wells on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do they have to be in the top 12 to be eligible for an at-large?

Top 16? There’s got to be some cutoff, right? A BCS bowl can’t just take 6-6 ND because they feel like it, right?

by billyzane on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wells nailed it

Here’s a link to the eligibility, including automatic bids for non-conference-champion teams.

Here is the paragraph most relevant to this discussion:

4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

I believe they modified the automatic qualification rules slightly in the off-season, because there’s now verbiage that forbids a third team from one conference making it into a BCS bowl if three teams from the same conference are ranked first, second, and third. Last year there was no such verbiage, and so the committee said that it was possible that two out of UT, OU, and TT could play each other in the title game, and the other would go to a BCS bowl, since that would have been a lesser exception than than leaving out a team that would have earned an automatic bid for being ranked in the top five.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 3, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, at-large qualification for Notre Dame...

…is the same as for other teams. They have to win nine games as well as finish the season 14th or better in the BCS standings. Nine wins are possible, although I think Pittsburgh and Stanford could easily win, and the Middies aren’t very predictable opponents. Heck, UConn is due.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's nitpicking...

If ND is eligible then they are for all intents and purposes in auto-bid territory, which I think was the point HH was making. I would even go so far as to guess that a 9-3 ND just inside the at-large threshold would beat out a 10-2 Ohio State or USC ranked ahead of them (wait, could OSU get to 10-2 and not win the conference?). If ND is eligible and their all the slots aren’t filled due to other auto-bid obligations, they will almost certainly be the first team chosen depending perhaps on the order of selection by the BCS bowls. I would love to be proven wrong but mark it down, ND will get a BCS bowl bid over at least 5 more deserving teams.

by Rickyspub on Nov 4, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How's it nit-picking?

There’s a huge difference between auto-bids and at-large bids. Notre Dame will always get the babydoll treatment when it comes to at-large bids, but the auto-bid criteria are much more stringent.

But a 9-3 ND would mean that they’d lose one more game in the meantime, and I don’t think there’s any way they’d be able to recover to either automatic qualification (top-eight) if they were to lose any more games. Heck, I don’t think they rise to 8th or better even if they were to win all their remaining games. But if they were to drop a game, it’d probably have to be this weekend, and then they’d have to go on a three-game winning streak, just to get the pollsters to forgive them.

Seriously, Notre Dame shouldn’t even be a consideration for a BCS bid right now, and unless they win out, they won’t even get at-large consideration.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 4, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the Bedlam game in Norman or Stillwater?

If it is in Stillwater, I’m going with OSU over the Land Thieves. The Pokes are going into that game with something to prove and they just might pull it off. After watching some of the OU-KState game… are the Sooners regressing or they have just given up the year? (Not to take anything away from the Wildcats.)

by dimecoverage on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Norman...

and its 1:55p and OU still sucks.

by Horns757 on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And wouldn't it be wonderful...

if the Pokes beat the Land Thieves at home? :-)

by dimecoverage on Nov 3, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They did that in 2001

Provided Chris Sims with a chance to play the worst game of his career.

by edsp on Nov 3, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job, TES

What will you be writing about now? At least something, I hope.

Any thoughts on OK State’s QB situation next year? Seems like the QB position is pretty settled across the Big XII South:

Texas – Gilbert
OU – Jones or Blake Bell
A&M – Johnson
Baylor – Griffin
Tech – QB Plug ’N Play

Oklahoma State has an unproven 3* Alex Cate and a 4* true frosh Johnny Deaton coming in. Either would be behind a wildly inexperienced offensive line. That could get ugly quickly.

by jc25 on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Zero chance that Blake Bell starts for OU

Changed my SBN user name from WoodrowWilson.
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by Jon Woods on Nov 3, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jones had a 70% completion rate against KState. He is putting up some great numbers and his poise this season has been impressive.

Another good Sooner QB. Damn.

by dimecoverage on Nov 3, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every QB plays in a system

Some do it better than others. Jones has proven to be good enough to play in OU’s systems.

The system QB argument only really applies when someone puts up their gaudy stats against someone elses more normal stats. if the QB can execute the offense hes asked to execute, theres nothing to take away from him.

Anyway like many have said before, Jones has looked fine, he has not been the source of OU’s problems this year. I doubt he loses the starting job next year.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 3, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But some are more “system” QBish than others. OU QBs put up gaudy stats in similar fashion with regularity, and none yet has shown an ability to do much outside the context of that system. That screams system almost as much as Texas Tech or any Hal Mumme team has.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We haven't seen Bradford play outside the system yet.

Just because someone plays well within a system doesn’t mean that they’re confined to that system.

by billyzane on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He plays very similarly to Heupel and White in that system

I haven’t personally checked into his HS resume, and I don’t think that would be compelling evidence for the “outside the system” argument, but it might be relevant.

I just think that last year, for example, it was no more sensible to call Harrell a system QB than Bradford.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I specifically called Harrell not a system quarterback last year, so I think calling Bradford not a system quarterback also seems pretty logical.

by billyzane on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as it’s consistent, it’s logical. But I would argue that many did consider Wisconsin a system for RBs in the Alvarez era, just as was the case for Iowa State RBs and Florida QBs for a while.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More to my point

His performance outside of the system is irrelevant in the case of whether or not he will be the starter in the system.

He has proven to be a good QB for OU, and not a source of their losses.

Whether or not his numbers translate outside of OU doesnt matter, we will play him when hes playing at OU.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Per ESPN...

OU also has secured their next QB stud recruit, Kendal Thompson, class of 2011.

by jc25 on Nov 3, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll have to beat out Blake Bell,

a highly-ranked quarterback from Kansas in the 2010 class.

by GhostofBigRoy on Nov 3, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they could beat OU

Just as long as they don’t collapse if or when they go down a couple touchdowns like they did to us. “Oh no it’s halftime and we’re down so let’s just call it a day.” I don’t think they could land a BCS bowl without some major chaos happening. Maybe if they completely embarrass OU in Norman and most of the top ten teams, save for UT and TCU, start choking or getting destroyed by unranked teams. I’d like to see Ok State get a BCS bid and play TCU or Cincy in the Fiesta.

by seth78 on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OU

Will destroy OSU again

by texascfo on Nov 3, 2009 2:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OU-Kansas State game on Fox Sorts Central right now. It is the rd quarter and Sooner defense falling apart on a Wildcat drive. Wow.

by dimecoverage on Nov 3, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Last game for OU seniors at Owen Field

I severely overestimated OSU, especially Robinson. It’s a little early to look towards next year but it certainly looks as if their offense will be gutted and the defense, well, not much there to start with as TES notes.

Beal, McCoy and English should have a field day in this year’s Bedlam game.

BTW, OU lists only five seniors on the two-deep depth chart on defense- starters Auston English, Keenan Clayton, Ryan Reynolds and Brian Jackson plus Cordero Moore, a backup DT. Any ideas on the possibilities of Beal and McCoy entering the draft?

If they stay our O-line needs to make great strides from a personnel standpoint.

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 3, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let us hope Beal and McCoy learned the lessons of Bradford and Gresham. Take the money.

by dimecoverage on Nov 3, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McCoy's gone. Bank it, Dan-O

Beal may return.

Something interesting about the Sooners. The signed the top 3 players in Texas in 2008 (Rivals ranks): DE R.J. Washington, RB Jermie Calhoun, OG Stephen Good — 5-stars all.

Good lost the LG job in September but is now starting at RG; he played in ‘08 so he’ll be a junior in 2010 . . . Washington and Calhoun redshirted in ’08; Washington would likely start next year if Beal leaves early. Calhoun has played in mop-up time only, and DeMarco Murray has another year. Washington has been in just two games.

Usually, big-time prospects jump right in at OU.

by edsp on Nov 3, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Young Guns

It’s hard to imagine GG running successful zone reads behind Poehlman, Allen, Snow, Huey and Hix. I hope the young guys (Walters, Porter et al) step up. GD may have to tweak his offensive philosophy.

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 3, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like Gundy as an O coordinator - Coach not so much

I really think the Pokes will have to upgrade the head coaching position to get to the OU level, and tremendous upgrade to get to Texas level.

Gundy is just too close to the offensive side of the ball, and needs to be the face of the program.

by realmccoy on Nov 3, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs


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