Bevo's Daily Roundup - December 11, 2009
by dimecoverage on Dec 10, 2009 9:21 PM CST
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This has been a great year for the Longhorn's quarterback. Sporting News makes a case for McCoy's Heisman hopes.
Colt McCoy is all for a playoff.
"There's going to be two or three teams that are undefeated," McCoy said. "It's going to be hard not to argue that there should be a playoff system. That's not my call, but I'd be all for it."
Ndamukong Suh apologized to TCU.
But in this week of picking up trophies, he took some time away from the celebration to apologize to fellow Lombardi Award finalist Jerry Hughes of TCU for not knocking off Texas in the Big 12 championship game Saturday.
If Suh had not pressured Colt McCoy on the final play, McCoy might have accidentally run out the clock.
"I forced him to throw that ball away,'' Suh said. "I should have let him run around just a little bit longer.''
Just in case you want to hear some more about Texas vs. TCU, Barking Carnival has it all spelled out.
Does TCU deserve to be rated higher than Texas? I say, "No". TCU is very talented, but Texas is more so, as measured by All-Americans and draft projections. Every computer rating that accounts for Margin of Victory has Texas rated stronger, and most that don’t count MOV do as well. Mid-season, you heard much from TCU about them having a comparable strength-of-schedule to Texas. No more. By every measure, accounting for the full season, Texas has played a significantly tougher schedule than TCU.
Per Sagarin’s "Predictor" model, TCU’s top 4 opponents were #16 Clemson, #31, BYU, #42 Utah, and #46 USAFA. Texas’ top 4 opponents were #5 OU, #9 NU, #18 TT, and #29 OSU. Texas also had to play #40 Mizzou, and # 52 TAMU. In other words, Texas played two foes tougher than TCU’s toughest, and four others that approximate TCU’s best four opponents. And Texas played no D-1AA teams.
TCU has played a few very good teams. They have not played against the award candidates Texas has (Gerald McCoy, Suh, Briscoe, etc.). The unranked teams in Texas’ conference still have more elite players than the unranked Mountain West teams. Like OU, which although unranked, is still calculated as a better team than TCU in Sagarin’s "Predictor" model. The biggest crowd TCU played in front of was at Clemson (70,000). Texas played 10 games in front of more people. There are real differences between the two leagues.
Handwriting on the wall... Highly recruited quarterback Ty Gabbert, younger brother of Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, decommits from Nebraska.
Tyler Gabbert wants to throw the football 40 times a game. He senses Nebraska’s offense is moving farther and farther away from that. More power football. Less slinging it around.
"It definitely was a mutual decision," Gabbert said Wednesday. "I told him that I didn’t see myself playing at Nebraska in five years, and told him I wanted to look around a little bit. He was like, ‘Yeah, we understand that. I’m not going to make you come. You have to follow your heart. But if you’re looking around, we have to go our separate direction and look after our best interest as well.’"
Tickets are selling fast for the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl.
Nebraska and Arizona sold out their 11,000-ticket allotments for the game less than 48 hours after they went on sale. After that, fans of both college football programs raided the bowl’s local ticket office to snap up all but about 1,000 of the 6,000 that remained this week for the Dec. 30 matchup at Qualcomm Stadium.
Taylor Potts will start for the Red Raiders in the Alamo Bowl.
"I'm going to start Potts," Leach said. "He's steady and I need to settle on one and quit pulling them in and out, and then in the spring they’ll battle it out."
NewsOK has a Q&A with Sooner defensive coordinator Brent Venables.
Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma State were recognized by the American Football Coaches Association for graduating at least 75 percent of their football student-athletes in 2009.
This is the hottest selling t-shirt in Alabama.
James Carville can't even spin the BCS.
Carville finally came to a conclusion. "If I were advising the BCS, here's what I'd say," he said, pausing for emphasis. "There is a very famous story about when Lyndon Johnson was president. There was a disaster and then a meeting and one of his communications people was saying, 'You need to do this and that.' And LBJ turned to him and said, 'Son, you can't shine sh---.'" Carville paused. "And that's what I'd say to these guys: Some things just aren't spiffable."
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But Carville
can certainly shine that dome of his and pump the sunshine in Bayeaux country every chance he gets. His shinola reference only applies when his Tigers are not mounting yet another national run. You’ll never find a more arrogant prognosticator of all things that don’t mean a hill of beans. I challenge anyone to show a better example of a person more insignificant than he in all things CFB. I’m just saying.
"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown
Mythbusters
Caught a show where they actually did shine a cow patty to a nice semi-gloss – like Carville’s dome!
Prophecy:
BCS will be over by the end of Obama’s first term because that’ll be an easy way to get red-state votes for him.
by Loomby on Dec 10, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Whoever rec'd this
It wasn’t a swipe at Obama, that’s just how politics is, and I said it mainly to bring up how a lot of Western states he might need to carry (NV, CO, MT, NM, etc) are adamantly anti-BCS, and how weird/wrong it is that the electoral college could actually be affected by the college football postseason system. If it’s teabaggerism that got this rec’d, I take it back.
-1 . . .
. . . for an unnecessary “teabaggerism” reference
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
You have a photo of Dennis Franchione because?
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Because . . .
. . . it gets reactions like this.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
I find it very difficult to not like bama or their fans...
considering they made the media princess known as Tebow cry like the true pansy he is. I crack up every single time I see those tears rolling down his cheeks.
TEXAS FIGHT
Agreed
There is one Bama alum in my law school class and he is really obnoxious about it so I had a bad impression of their fans just from that guy, but everything I’ve seen of their fans since then has been really classy. I like them, and I love Tebow crying.
perhaps it takes a law school education
to truly squeeze the most joy out of the pain of others. Maybe a first year required course. ‘Schadenfreude 101: Their pain is our gain’
Bama fans
are cut from the same traditional powerhouse cloth as Horns fans. There is little, if any, band-wagoneers in either camp. The loyalty of both bases is true and they both understand how to handle themselves in competitive situations. Not too high…not too low. Cautiously optimistic about their respective chances yet passionately committed to their confidence. Can’t wait to rub shoulders in person.
"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown
Short term memory or not that old?
It’s easy to say that a fan base isn’t a bunch of band “wagoners” when the team has been very good for the last decade, but I remember a very different fan group throughout much of the laste 80s into teh 90s-half full stadiums, deserted stadiums late in the game, etc. While I agree that we have been and were cautiously optimistic then and now, there is no doubt that the fans will turn after a few mediocre seasons.
wow
you really know little to nothing about ’Bama’s fanbase
they have one of the biggest bandwagon and t-shirt alumni fanbases around, if not the biggest.
The vast majority of the people you see in the stands at Bryant-Denny Stadium in Tuscaloosa didn’t go to the school, can’t gain admission to the school, and have no attachment to the school outside of their desire to attach themselves to a winner.
That comment is a perfect example of trying to shine a turd.
vast majority?
While I’m sure there are a good chunk of “t-shirt fans”, as with any school/team with much success, I think it’s foolish to assume Alabama fans are mostly comprised of bandwagoners. I suspect a lot of it has to do with there being very little else in the greater-Tuscaloosa area, but if you live in that state, you’re either Auburn of Bama, most of which chose the latter due to, yes, probably much success, or through heritage. They are also one of the best traveling fanbases, so to say the stadium is full of those that have no attachment is utterly dumb.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 11, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I have no earthly idea . . .
. . . how you can say with such authority that Alabama has more bandwagon and t-shirt alumni than Florida or Oklahoma or Tennessee or USC or Duke or Notre Dame or Penn State or Miami or Michigan or Georgia or Nebraska or Texas or LSU or Ohio State and so on and so on.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
a large swath of alabama's fanbase did not attend the school, true
but that doesn’t make them “bandwagon.” going back to the depression, the football team was a key source of pride for the state and that’s continued unabated up to the present day. the fact there is no professional teams nearby to tie allegiance with has only amplified this effect.
and we alabama fans embrace this. it is something about our program that makes it unique. and if you mull it over a bit, it’s kind of intimidating. i am originally from louisiana and became an alabama fan because i chose to attend the university. but i knew many alabama natives who never took a class but whose families had been fans of the football team for generations. in comparison to that… i’m the bandwagon boy.
i also lived in texas long enough to know that there are a hell of a lot folks in the state who never went to UT but align themselves with the football team – not because they want to hitch on the coattails of the program’s success – but because it addresses something integral to their conception of themselves as texans. when the cowboys beat the giants, that’s all well and good but when the longhorns beat the sooners, that’s something important.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
I can sort of relate to what you're saying
I grew up in California and attended the University of Texas, and when I’d travel the state and meet people who probably had grandfathers who got into bar fights about the longhorns in the 1940’s, I felt like the outsider, even though I was actually enrolled at the school and many of these people had maybe never set foot on campus.
I think rivalries are so much more intense in college than in professional sports because, in most states, the schools actually represent the citizens and their culture. Most of the guys who play for the Dallas Cowboys didn’t grow up in Texas, but almost everyone on the Longhorns’ roster did. So when we play Alabama, it becomes a referendum on which state has the superior sporting culture, whose citizens are tougher, and who has better high school football.
So if you’re a resident of Texas, it seems more reasonable to me to express pride in a local university than to be fiercely loyal to a group professional athletes whose origins are diverse and global.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 11, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there's also a pretty powerful socio-economic effect as well...
if you insist a fan is someone who attended the university you are, by definition, eliminating a huge portion of the population that lacks the financial resources to have access to higher education. and, in the south, that’s a damn fast way to draw a racial line.
i like the fact that alabama (and texas) football appeals to pretty much the entire social spectrum and i think it’s a strength to note that the fanbases reflects that. so if our rivals want to paint us as uneducated rednecks, well so be it. we’ll just add that to the tally of reasons we’ve got to kick your elitist ass.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
by kleph on Dec 11, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is there a major college program . . .
. . . that doesn’t have a large number of “t-shirt” or “bandwagon” fans when things are going well? I can’t think of one off the top of my head.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
A&M?
They sure seem to hate “t-shirt” fans. Maybe b/c they haven’t had success recently.
by vy til i die on Dec 11, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Note that I said . . .
. . . “when things are going well”. There’s probably a fair number of posters on BON who have no memory of such times!
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
He said "Major" college program...
A&M doesn’t qualify…
kleph, you really nailed it
You nailed why people attach themselves to a program and become great fans, regardless of whether they actually attended classes. I liked the Longhorns long before I ever attended UT, because my dad was getting his doctorate there about the time I was becoming a football fan, and we just shared that bond. But I would probably be a Longhorn fan even if I’d never gone there. I also regularly root for several other teams, for various reasons, at some point I just started rooting for them, maybe I liked one of their coaches or players… who knows what sparks that kind of identification…
And you also hit on the reason that aggie fans don’t like/understand those “t-shirt” fans -— “… the football team was a key source of pride for the state…”.
That has never really been the case for the Aggies. Even when they were a really expensive “good” team, they never really made huge inroads into the Texas hold on the state. I guess it’s all part of their insular nature – “from the outside you can’t understand it” kind of mentality. They can’t understand the notion that someone can buy in just a little – they have more of an all-or-nothing ethos to them – can you imagine someone at UT complaining about “2-%ers”? In our case, for one thing, it’d be more like a “60%er” anyway, and that’s just fine… just like it’s fine if someone who never went to college at all wears a Horns cap – you still share something, and you flash ’em a Hook ’em Horns!
i was drinking in a bar in sydney, australia one afternoon a few years back
and saw a very attractive woman walking down the street wearing a UT shirt. so i leaned out the window and yelled “hook ’em” and gave her the famous pinky and index finger sign.
and she flipped me off.
now that’s a t-shirt fan.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
I apologize
for attractive Australian UT t-shirt fans. Wait, were you wearing crimson?
by Infield Elephant on Dec 12, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Shame on her. That is not Texas hospitality.
by dimecoverage on Dec 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
well..she MIGHT be austrailian..
..so she might only know Australia hospitality..lol
by vy til i die on Dec 12, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
After spending way too much time at A&M games the past few years, I have come to realize those people live in their own reality.
by dimecoverage on Dec 12, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
well
going back to the depression, the football team was a key source of pride for the state and that’s continued unabated up to the present day. the fact there is no professional teams nearby to tie allegiance with has only amplified this effect.
and we alabama fans embrace this. it is something about our program that makes it unique.
I would argue this doesn’t make you unique, it just makes you a Southeastern version of Oklahoma or Nebraska, who can make the same claims about having a fanbase who embrace the big state school football program because of their citizenry in that state.
I define an attachment to the school as having someone among your family or friends who went to the school, if you didn’t go yourself. “I’m cheering for them b/c they are the school of the state I grew up in” doesn’t really equate with attachment to me, because if Auburn had been kicking Alabama’s ass for years and years, those same people preaching “state loyalty” today would be screaming “War Eagle!!” instead.
As for the longhorns and sooners, that is a state versus state issue, which is a different issue altogether, although I would argue with the number of Texans on OU’s roster, it really isn’t Texas boys vs. Oklahoma boys as much as it is Texas boys vs Texas boys (with some Okies sprinkled in). It would be akin to Alabama playing a Tennessee team with 75% of the Volunteer roster being Alabama natives.
Oddly enough I got no joy
Watching Tebow cry. And I’m honestly pretty tired of hearing about it. I’m going to avoid a gundy rant, but, yeah, he’s just a kid. Dealing with a lot of emotions in front of the entire country. Regardless of what he’s done, said or whatever, I don’t think he deserves to hear thousands of people laugh at him for being emotional in that situation. If you can’t step back a little and understand what was going through his mind at the end of that game, and empathize just a bit, then I don’t know what to tell you. I haven’t followed all the Tebow haters enough to know all the reasons, other than his disproportionate level of media attention, but whatever the reasons, I don’t think he deserves the ridicule.
by jmptexas on Dec 11, 2009 8:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He's a 22 year old man,
Get over the “just a kid” stuff. I get very tired of hearing the “they’re just kids” arguement. At what point are these student athletes no longer “kids”? Is it when they graduate? Is it when they sign an NFL contract? Is there an age at which you all stop considering them “kids”? Yes, they are young and many immature, but they’re not kids.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Dec 11, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
even if he is a grown-ass man at this point...
i still have no problem with the guy crying. while he embraced the deification the media bestowed upon him, there is also no doubt that he was one of the most passionate players. when you put everything you’ve got into accomplishing something and you fall short, you’re permitted to show a little emotion.
i actually find it somewhat respectable – the guy just simply cares. a lot.
by longhornscardinals on Dec 11, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
well I don't know.
Maybe he’s not a ‘kid’ per se. But a semantical discussion on youth, age, and ‘at what point these student athletes [are] no longer kids’ is hardly the point. He’s a guy who’s been dealing with huge expectations from himself, his team, the media, and a huge fan base. He had to shoulder all of that as it came crashing down around him on live, national television. Now, I’m sure I’ll get a bunch of vitriolic responses to the tune of "that’s what he should expect, that’s what he went to Florida for’ and similar crap, but it doesn’t change the fact that that’s tough for anyone. So he’s an emotional, competitive person? Wow!? What do you expect.
Now, you had asked at what age do you stop being considered a kid? My guess would be when you stop laughing at people who care about something, and are comfortable enough with their emotions to show it.
While that is true, McCoy has had a tough year, as well. The expectations were huge and it hasn’t been the year that he hoped for or anyone expected. He has handled everything with maturity and dignity. His composure has come through so many times… especially against OSU in the Fiesta Bowl and those last few seconds against NU.
This isn’t a referendum on McCoy vs. Tebow. We are probably just accustomed to watching McCoy handle adversity.
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Tears
I actually don’t mind Tebow. I enjoy watching him play and have a good deal of respect for his talent and the leadership he has shown in rallying his team, as well as being what seems to be a good guy overall. The media coverage of his second coming, cheezy speeches and Biblical eye-black is what bothers me.
As far as tears go, however, I do chuckle and almost feel embarrassed for him. What I appreciate, in terms of passion for the game, is seeing a ‘grown-ass man’ cry his eyes out after winning. That earns my respect. But when a kid, or a grown man cry after a loss, regardless of the gravity of the game, I cannot say the same. Tebow has accomplished more in his collegiate career than most dream of – and he cries when they lose to the best team in the country? Get over it and show the kids out there how to lose like a man.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow is beyond competitive.
The hype about his leadership, passion for the game, etc. is, in my opinion, overblown.
I think that this observation has been made here before but have you ever watched Tebow on the sidelines? He is often yelling and screaming (which i guess shows passion), but it always seems like his teammates are actively tuning him out.
I could obviously be wrong about that, but that’s how it appears. He acts like he is a great leader and he is praised as a great leader and superhuman in the media, but when I (and many others I suspect) evaluate him with our own eyes we aren’t dazzled with his brilliance. I think that’s part of the reason why Tebow has become the punchline so often over the last couple of years.
I tend to agree
I didn’t really care if he cried. Lots of athletes do after disappointing losses. At least he tried to put it together and gave Alabama a lot of credit in the post game interview, unlike a certain USC quarterback a few years ago.
It’s more the media’s fault than his; they tried to build him up as an unbeatable Superman and it annoyed everyone outside of Florida, and when it came crashing down, the haters came to dance on the wreckage. Unfortunate, but not unexpected. The media certainly deserves the scorn, but I’m not sure how much Tebow does.
He really didn’t do anything to change my opinion of him: He’s not a freak like VY or Vick or a thrower like Peyton Manning, but he’s a tough, competitive, player who often finds ways to help him team win. Far from the greatest player in college football history, but he was definitely very good in that system. Too bad the incessant hyperbole from ESPN and the like caused many people to go to the opposite extreme to downgrade everything he does. I loved it when Saban scolded ESPN.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 11, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I have to respectfully disagree. Their incredibly strong, agile bodies are misleading. When you really spend time with a lot of them, they are still kids. We were kids at 20, 21, 22…So are they. They are just kids with pressure-filled lives. Even if I had the talent ( and I was a male), I don’t think I would want the life of a CF player.
by dimecoverage on Dec 12, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I remember being in my early twenties...
I exhibited a lot worse and more immature behavior then these guys do… Still, I didn’t think Tebow should have been crying on the sideline.
I had Tom Hank’s voice in my head, “There’s no crying in football!” However, I don’t really think less of him for it, with the dedication these guys have, I can understand how a loss would do that to you. But personally, I probably would have tried as hard as I could not to have let it out on national TV.
However, seeing Ingram break into tears at winning the heisman seemed oddly appropriate and honest to me.
Tebow is a great man as well as a QB
give him a break……have none of you been so passionate about something…worked so hard to get it, then failed to reach your goal?
I admire him for his honesty. leave him alone.
And lay off of Britney, too
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Dec 11, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
You're lucky he even plays for you BASTARDS!!!
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Dec 11, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo!
My thoughts exactly. A bunch of haters who have lived up to their very low goals in life. And I am by no means a Tebow fan, but I understood the pain.
He's a nice guy and all, but anytime something goes slightly wrong or he loses a single game, he cries in public. Like Ole Miss, cried and made his promise that then went on to be extremely hyped.
Then this year playing Alabama he tried to stir up his team and get them to play up, he failed to live up to his promise and all the hype was shown as what it really was, fluff. He’s a good QB from a leadership stance, but I don’t think he ever should have gotten the heisman, nor should he be thought to be so great.
TEXAS FIGHT
Ummm. . . .
A bunch of haters who have lived up to their very low goals in life.
(emphasis mine)
Awesome sweeping generalization about a very high number of BON members for your second post ever. Welcome to the board to you as well.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
well..
…when his name is Goob, what do you expect?
by vy til i die on Dec 11, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Not trying to be nice and find friends on a board whether my first, second, or 1000th post. Just voicing my opinion just as anyone else on here is. Nothing more, nothing less. Thanks for the welcome.
Believe me, I don’t like Tebow much and think his antics are way over the top (ie, Ole Miss 2008 or his constant screaming huddles), but to jump on the man for letting some emotion out (on the sidelines, nonetheless) is petty and indicative of other issues. I would voice the same if I saw Colt letting the emotion get the best of him after such a great college career that didn’t turn out the way he wished with so much personal sacrifice.
Those that have failed to reach such a lofty goal would sympathize with Tebow. Some just wouldn’t understand. I hope that wouldn’t be the case of most on this board. The generalization was made of society in general where we have become a group who tends to watch those that reach lofty goals fail at some time or another.
I inferred from your post that you were calling all of us who have had fun with Tebow’s crying as haters who had low expectations out of life. Seemed like an awfully broad characterization. But if you only meant a select few of the mockers are themselves losers, then, sure.
And do feel free to voice your opinion and enjoy BON. And whether if it’s your first, second, or 1000th, if someone disagrees, you’ll be questioned. Happens to me frequently. But since I have low expectations out of life, it doesn’t bother me too much. :)
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
No sweat.
I was broad in hoping that the mockers step back and think about it but meant it for those that are truly attacking Tebow himself for not being able to hold back the pain of not attaining his goal. For those that have almost grasped that lofty goal, it would be hard to not sympathize and hurt just a little. The T-shirt above just hit a nerve (thus the reason to finally stop lurking and throw the post on here).
Again, not much of a Tebow fan, but he gained some credit in my eyes with his post game interview on the field.
Tebow the person=ok by me
Tebow the mythical creation of ESPN=I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. He can’t carry Tommie Frazier’s jock strap.
Hadoken!!
Oof, I'd kind of like to see him making more.
We should be giving him something that resembles what he means to the future of the program that gives him more of an incentive to stay with the horns. At least 1.5m with a bonus of 60k for making the national championship and an additional 100k for winning it.
TEXAS FIGHT
Why.....
…. a 1-year renewable contract?
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Per Link
Each of the nine Longhorns assistants have one-year contracts.
Just the way Texas conducts business, I guess.
The problem here is
Muschamp is by far the most important of our assistant coaches as he is our coach in waiting and an integral part of the defense, almost more so than the players themselves at times. He should have a contract that suits those qualities and signifies that he’s needed at Texas.
TEXAS FIGHT
I can double-dog.....
100% guarantee you his first contract with Texas was a 2-year guarantee.
Now the change……..
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
I would have like us to be the team to make Tebow cry...
I just don’t see McElroy crying if Bama loses. Now if Saban would cry over a loss that might be worth it…
yeah
in fact, I’m not sure Saban has tear ducts.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 11, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
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by Magnificent Bastard on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions
Brian Kelly is a jerk
The least he could do is finish out the season for the Bearcats. What kind of jackass gets you to the game then just leaves you hanging there with no direction and disadvantage going into the biggest game of the season and biggest game for Cincy in a long time?
TEXAS FIGHT
as far as I know this is pretty common actually
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 11, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Franchioned.
Cincy has been Franchioned.
Another we thing we have in common with Alabama. We can’t stand Dennis F.
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's Rich.
Cincy has been Rodriguezed.
by Magnificent Bastard on Dec 11, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Saban'd
Saban did it to MSU on his way to LSU
by Magnificent Bastard on Dec 11, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Brown'd
Mack did it to the Tar Heels
by Magnificent Bastard on Dec 11, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I still can’t believe Franchione left Alabama for A&M. They guy is a moron.
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
The guy is a moron.
Even on probation or with sanctions, Alabama is a much better job than A&M.
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you.
But I do talk to myself on occasion, just not here.
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, not sure if an AD would want a coach who was leaving to stick around through a bowl game when there is still plenty of recruiting to do. Kelly’s head would probably be elsewhere as he needs to get ND’s recruiting in gear and learn what he has on that end. Besides if the players knew he was leaving, which they would be able to tell over the next couple of weeks without an announcement, I don’t see them playing all out for a coach that was leaving the team.
Exactly
A coach staying like Meyer did with the Utes a few years back is pretty rare. I think recruiting concerns on a go-forward basis make it better for all parties involved to move on as quickly as possible once a decision has been made.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
It is definitely rare.
Mostly because the decision is rarely the decision of the coach. In the vast majority of cases, the AD doesn’t want him staying around the program. Urban Meyer had a strong relationship with his AD at Utah.
In addition, the new AD has to be willing to take the risk of other programs trying to poach their recruits, possibly losing some existing commits. Jeremy Foley at Florida is a class act and understood Meyer’s need to finish an undefeated season in just his 4th season as a HC. Foley, like DeLoss Dodds, is one of very few ADs willing to write contracts w/o buyout clauses. A tip of the hat to both of them!
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I was having this discussion with a buddy..
It would be very difficult for him to try an rally the team for the game when they all knew he was headed out of town. We all saw the players reaction when he announced it to the team, they were pissed. I highly doubt they would have even wanted him to stay to coach the final game. I think him leaving now plays to Cinci’s advantage, they will be playing with a huge chip on their shoulder to show everyone it was the players who made this season possible and not the coach. At least, that’s the mindset they will have. Kind of like when West Virginia smoked OU in the Fiesta Bowl.
From Kelly’s point of view, National Signing Day is coming up, and if he has any shot at putting his mark on this year’s class, he has to get to work now or else he will be in his 3rd year before “his” players could contribute. He also needs to figure which coaches will be coming with him, who’s staying behind, and who can he find to replace the coaches who go elsewhere. It would be pretty difficult to find assistants in January, most by then would have already found a new home.
by Hookem4life84 on Dec 11, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I would also add that, along with the recruiting logistics and the growing pains of switching staffs, Cinci probably wants to see how the interim head coach handles the bowl game in order to determine whether they want to look outside the program for their next coach.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 11, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
True, but the players will feel disappointed and that’s expected. They have had a great season and a great run with Kelly and formed bonds.
by dimecoverage on Dec 11, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
You do know who DIDN'T coach the Tar Heels in their 1997 bowl game?
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
its not really a slight to the program so much as its mutually beneficially for all concerned.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 11, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
the kind of jackass who knows the recruiting timeline
and what every other coach does.
ND’s interim head coach/big recruiting guy just left to be HC at Akron. If BK didn’t come now, ND would be without someone to run the football program and without someone to recruit for nearly a month. Other schools could take advantage of the situation and steal recruits while the program is rudderless. BK absolutely made the right decision. He certainly could have handled it better re his players – he should have told them before it leaked to the media so they didn’t have to find out from reporters – but leaving now in itself is the right thing to do. I think Brian Kelly is awesome and I am thrilled to have him as our new coach.
What is that supposed to mean?
That ND doesn’t have recruits worth stealing? Because ND has 3 top 100 commits, 8 4-star commits, and right now has the #15 recruiting class, just behind USC. And several 5-star recruits have ND on their list, including OT Seantrel Henderson and DE Cory Lemonier. Last year we beat out USC for 5-star linebacker Manti Te’o, and also got 5-star OG Chris Watt. ND may be mediocre, but we’re underachieving based on the recruiting classes we’ve had, and recruiting isn’t the main problem at all.
I would assume . . .
. . . that the issue is the word “stealing,” as if the recruits are the property of Notre Dame. Replace “steal recruits” with “out-recruit Notre Dame.”
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ah
Maybe “poaching” was a better word. I’ve heard concern that in the absence of a coach, other schools would convince recruits to decommit from ND. That’s what I meant by “stealing”. Of course I don’t think uncommited recruits are somehow ND’s property, and yes, out-recruiting would be a concern there. Sorry for the confusion.
ND being "dead"
Is something many Horn fans probably should know better than to suggest. We were “dead” in the 90’s. All it takes is a real push and a shove from the alumni for the Regents to understand that if the program doesn’t do better, heads will roll. The problem, for ND: your alumni aren’t nearly as influential and affluent as they used to be.
No beef in Cincy
Kelly did it to Central or was it western Michigan when he went to Cincy. Did Cincy cry then?
How weird was that Tebow skit with McCoy last night?
Tebow actually looked, physically, like a different person, as if he’d lost some weight and wasn’t sleeping.
And the expression on his face throughout it was intense and unsettling, like the fake smile of a mobster who jokes around with you a little bit, extending the tension, pretending to like you, giving you a noogie, before he inevitably goes to town on your kneecaps.
And then when they cut back to him smiling from his seat in the audience at the awards show, he just looked sad.
So painfully awkward
He also seemed a little out of sorts when giving the spirit award out. He may be having some internal stuff going on, given the post-Bama beating and all the mockery coming out afterward. I hope he doesn’t dive off the deep end or something (not insinuating that he may)… like going to town on one’s kneecaps.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 11, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
That didn't need to happen.
It was obviously forced on both parties. Colt has said publicly that he and Tebow didn’t exactly hit it off during the 2008 Heisman weekend. And there’s nothing worse than scripted smack talk.
by Magnificent Bastard on Dec 11, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think ESPN came up with that skit
thinking that it would be Texas and Florida in the championship, so it would make sense having the two opposing QBs do a skit. With Florida out, it’s just weird and awkward.
I don't know...
the central dynamic of the skit seemed to be that, now that Tebow is out of the title game, he was bowing down as Colt’s servant. So awkward.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 11, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
hmmm
good point. maybe they had something different in mind involving the two of them and had to change the plot when Tebow lost.
carville knows a lot about sh**
If Carville can shine a turd like Clinton, the BCS can shine 1 vs 2.
-1
Gotta be consistent in my calls here. If I give a “-1” above for an unnecessary slur against those who attend Tea Parties, then I need to do so for “turd like Clinton” Let’s keep the unnecessary political name-calling off BON.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Assumed from your tag
that you go to Johns Hopkins. Where politics are an easy way to start a conversation.
Unlike other universities
where politics is boring?
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Went there years ago . . .
. . . and I actually thought it was a surprisingly apolitical school, or at least politically apathetic, particularly when compared to the reputations of other East Coast schools. Students seemed more intent on studying four stories underground (for real) than becoming too politically involved. It’s possible things have changed over the years.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Alright, well,
bury the hatchet about tea parties? Can we agree that it’s a little effed up that any president R or D, would be in the position to gain votes just on what happens w/the BCS?
Of course bury the hatchet
If one didn’t bury the hatchet with anyone else with whom there was a tiff, no matter how slight, this board would be completely intolerable!
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Hello!
First time poster on Burnt Orange Nation. Hope you are not to hard on me. I was born in Houston, Tx and raised an Alabama fan so this game is a dream come true for me. I just wanted to tell all of you what a great team and coaching staff you have and that I have so much respect for you guys. I have never had any problems with any of your fans either. I hope for a great game with no injuries…..
by AlltheGreatQBs on Dec 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions
Tebow crying..
I couldn’t believe he was bawling like that. I understand being upset and being a little misty-eyed, but his tears and facial expressions looked like a 9 year old who just struck out with the winning run on third. Not trying to be macho or anything and I can’t quite put my finger on it. It was just…..weird.
Anyway, I haven’t seen that shirt in any stores, but I wouldn’t wear a T-shirt like that in a million years.
What are the origins of the yellow jammer hammer, or whatever order that goes in?
by dimecoverage on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
It seemed a little pathetic to me
The first thing I thought of was the scene of a small boy bawling his eyes out when we beat OU, it was last year I think. I didn’t have a lot of sympathy for him then and I don’t for Tebow now. Macho or not it is not a good example to set for society. We have people dying in wars, shed a tear for them and their families.
When you build a large structure you should quickly examine the foundation on which it’s built before you go too high.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 12, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
This is the most ridiculious statement I have ever read.
Macho or not it is not a good example to set for society. We have people dying in wars, shed a tear for them and their families.
I’m sorry but, I’m sure you don’t care anyway.
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by run Bevo run on Dec 13, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yellowhammer is Alabama’s state bird. Not sure about the Rammer Jammer part, but think it has to do with a Bama newspaper…? Why they sing about those, I don’t fully understand.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 12, 2009 8:58 AM CST reply actions
as per warren st. john...
the author of the fantastic book rammer jammer yellow hammer.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer" is a line from a cheer, typically played when the Crimson Tide has put a game away. Specifically the "Rammer Jammer" was an old campus magazine at Alabama, and the yellowhammer is the state bird of Alabama. They are juxtaposed in the cheer primarily because they are among a very few words that rhyme (approximately) with Alabama. If Alabama has beaten, say, the Tigers, then fans will stand and sing:
Hey Tigers
Hey Tigers
We just beat the hell outta you!
Rammer Jammer Yellowhammer
Give ’em hell Alabama
The cheer has been an ongoing source of controversy over the years. One athletic director banned it because objected to the word "hell" in a school cheer. Also, many Alabama fans consider it bad luck to sing the cheer before a game (with the third line changed to "We’re gonna beat the hell out of you.") Though the band has occasionally flouted that superstition, for now the cheer is sung only when the outcome of a game is certain.
also, although st. john’s book is about alabama fandom we at RBR can’t recommend it highly enough for any college football fan.
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
i was close
so is it done at every game when the outcome is certain, or just specific rivals?
by Infield Elephant on Dec 12, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Every game..
Clarification: The cheer is done with time winding down in the 4th quarter when victory is assured, not necessarily when the outcome is certain. The outcome of the UF game was certain earlier in the 4th, but ‘Rammer Jammer’ wasn’t busted out until GMac took a knee.
Some Bama fans feel it should be reserved only for rivals or comparable OOC teams (not me), but speaking of rivals, they hate it. Admittedly, it does have a ‘rubbing your face in it’ attitude, but if you don’t want to hear it- then beat us. : )
by yellowhammer on Dec 12, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks. Several people have recommended the book. I need to read it soon.
by dimecoverage on Dec 12, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
And right after that, a statement went out where Harbaugh says he is staying at Stanford.
Nothing against Kansas, but Stanford to Kansas isn’t exactly a step up.
by dimecoverage on Dec 12, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
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