Heisman Ceremony Open Thread
by The Craw on Dec 12, 2009 6:33 PM CST
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PrintTune into ESPN at 7 CST to find out if our boy Colt will win the Heisman. He probably won't though. Other finalists include Nebraska's Ndmukong Suh (that sounds familiar...), Florida's Tim Tebow, Alabama's Mark Ingram, and Stanford's Toby Gerhart. Ingram is the odds-on favorite.
Heisman night is one of my favorite nights of the year and I've been looking forward to it for a while. What are your thoughts?
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Hopefully, Colt can outpoint Ingram
But I would not bet on it. Usually, the Maxwell, Camp, and Unitas award means the Heisman hardware goes to someone else. I hope I am wrong. Colt deserves it
Why the hell was Colt hanging out with Tebow
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
It would be nice for Colt to win, but Gerhart is an absolute beast.
He would get my vote if I had one. He also has the numbers to back up his bowling-ball style of running.
Gerhart is the human weeble wobble
Hook'em!!
Colt
I would personally rather see Ingram or Gerhart win it, not Colt. I’d rather have a national championship than a heisman.
While most are dreaming of success, winners wake up and work hard to achieve it.
I Agree......I want the good Colt...loose and pissed
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 12, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is really lame...needs to be a 30 minute show
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 12, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions
Anybody know for sure Suh is going NFL next season ?
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 12, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions
100%
He is a senior
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Dec 12, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta believe he will
It seemed like his name was called by the announcer at Cowboys stadium on every defensive play. Mel Kiper has moved him up to #1 on his board.
C'mon Colt!
He really deserves it. Ingram does too but I hope Colt can squeek this out and out point him. There’s really no way to know where this is going to lean.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions
stiff arm trophy
is pretty positive Colt and Tebow will be 4th and 5th respectively.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 12, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ingram
doesn’t diserve it. Has worse numbers in every catigory compared to Garhart. Plus he’s a sophomore. Only 4th your Jr’s ans Sr’s should be able to win the heisman. 3rd straight year a sophomore had won it? pitiful. change the name of the trophy to most outstanding sophomore or best performance before last minute voting is due.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 12, 2009 8:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry but that is not factual.
Gerhardt had way more carries. About the same number of total yards(counting receiving yards). Ingram has higher YAC total yards. Ingram has higher per carry average. He did this while playing against higher ranked defenses. This may come off as a homer statement but the only person who performed at the same level vs great opposition this year was Suh. If Suh had won, I would have respected it. Gerhardt is a great back and from all accounts a great person. He is not as good a back as Ingram. He is a big back who ran over weaker defenses. Ingram has better field vision, made better cuts and broke tackles rather than using size to run over guys. This will translate to the NFL much better because Gerhardt will not run over many NFL defenders. OK, my Ingram defense rant is over.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I dont care who wins as much as I don't want Billy Simms to ever yell boomer again
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
haha well he has a sign that says it instead
by goingforthecorner on Dec 12, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
So douchey
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Dec 12, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Toby Gerhart and Ndamukong Suh are what the Heisman is about.
The fact that no sophomore won before Tebow in 2007 and now there could be a 3rd straight sophomore winner is laughable.
Also, I love me some Colt, but he didn’t perform this year.
I doubt he even voted for himself
he knows he doesn’t deserve it.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 12, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
mind and maturity of a 5 year old
or typical sooner.
Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!
Ugh...
He definitely deserved it. But so did Colt. Was pulling for our guy, but atleast it wasnt Jesus.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions
Definitely.
More dominant numbers and always consistent.
by HornPossessed on Dec 12, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome
I am loving this setting up like 2005 and i love the feeling of an underdog
While most are dreaming of success, winners wake up and work hard to achieve it.
Sure it's emotional.
And I sort of feel bad for it, but I’m laughing like crazy at Ingram right now.
Tebow...
taught him how to cry. And so did that Sooner kid.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Go ahead and laugh...
…he may just get the last laugh. I don’t flame but he had just seen his mother crying, if you have never been that close to your mother, I am sorry for your loss. He also was under the pressure of finally winning an award that has somehow skipped Alabama over our history.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I agree entirely
I sure as hell wasn’t laughing at him. My wife and I were both very impressed with Ingram’s speech and his display of emotion. Congrats to Mark again, and I look forward to seeing him play in Pasadena next month.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 12, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the classy reply
I do not pretend to know how our game will turn out, despite what the media will try and say. Half the time, the media doesn’t know what the ’ell they are talking about. Here is to a classic game with no injuries and coming down to the last snap.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I personally was rooting for Suh . . .
. . . but I was OK with any of the top four winning the trophy. It’s really one of those years where it’s in the eye of the beholder as to who deserves it, and there was a good case to be made for any of them.
I was pretty surprised, though, at how close Colt was at the end of the day to the top two — I thought he was going to finish fourth — and at how far back Suh was from the lead pack.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 12, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
As I said earlier...
…I would have had no problem with Suh winning it. I think defensive players need to actually win it occasionally. They are the ones that win titles. I just didn’t want him to lose out to Gerhardt. Nothing personal against Gerhardt but his numbers were inflated against some poor defenses.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I've seen Ingram play on several occasions this year
but tonight was the first time I’ve observed his demeanor. He seemed like a pretty good guy.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 13, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
Also, some serious props should go out to Tebow
Earlier in the evening, Mark was really nervous. Tim took him aside and prayed with him for peace. I am one of those people that always respected Tebow but was tired of the over-saturation of coverage of him. I will never begrude any coverage he may receive in the future.
FWIW, I think every one of the finalists tonight are class acts. None of them are losers, they are all winners where it counts most, life.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I knew it was coming
But it disappointed me more than I expected.
"If you kick like that, you can wear a tutu for all I care."
I agree
I know Colt has a ton of awards but I thought he deserved it last year and this feels worse. I think Suh blowing up in the Conference Championship cost McCoy. Suh took a lot of votes away in his home region but obviously the East Coast all went Ingram-Gerhart-McCoy.
Conference championship games
gave Ingram the Heisman, cost McCoy one, and put Suh in the conversation.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 12, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Who wants to turn this into a Tex v Neb open thread?
Gregory Gazelles battling for a spot in the national semis
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
ESPNU
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Dec 12, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Really wanted Gerhart to win
East-coast bias prevails.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 12, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions
FWIW...
…19 southern sports writers left Ingram completely off their ballots(predominantly in our rivals home towns).
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
This is the best for Texas in the NC game ....Now lets Win it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 12, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions
Okay, I'm really pissed now.
I’m hungry for this National Championship now.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions
Why was Tebow there?
He finished almost 1000 points behind Ingram.
They invited 3 last year and left Crabtree and Harrell at the house.
This award has lost it’s luster over the years. Suh should have got it.
" Answers -- Become Resources."
Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
McCoy robbed
not surprised. Heisman has been a joke since Reggie won it.
Glad I watched Rudolph instead.
It's 2005 Again.
Dude, you can’t write this stuff. Bush beats Young for the Heisman. Ingram beats Colt. Now they have to play each other for the title. No one gives Texas a chance. It’s 2005 all over again!
In-VINCE-able.
Colt 46
will be more remembered than winning a Heisman trophy. That record will stand for a long, long time.
Is it just me...
or does Texas never get any respect? If you play for USC (Palmer, Leinart, Bush) or are a 0U system QB (Jason White/Bradford) or are Jesus, apparently (Tebow), you are a shoe in for the Heisman.
If you play for Texas, dominate all of your opponents, spread the scoring wealth amongst your team, and lose only ONE game in two years (VY and Colt), you get dismissed.
No disrespect at all to Mark Ingram. He definitely deserved it, as did Tobie Gerhart. They are some exceptional Running Backs.
It pisses me off when there are years like 2006 when Troy Smith won the Heisman because there were no other good players. When there are seasons like this when there are multiple deserving players , 2005 (with Leinart, Bush, VY), 2008 (with Bradford, Tebow, McCoy), and 2009 (with McCoy, Ingram, Gerhart) just ONCE I would like the Texas player to get the nod.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree that Troy Smith wasn't deserving
I think he and McFadden were both better candidates than Tebow was in 2007, or Ingram in 2009.
For the record, I think 2009 is a pretty weak class overall. All the top candidates except Gerhart took turns sabotaging their chances the past week or two. The fact that Ingram won it after two putrid performances toward the later end of the season, essentially erasing those with a meager 113yds. rushing the last game, is a testament to how weak the 2009 candidates were.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 12, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
Name me the second "putrid" performance Ingram had
He had a bad game against Auburn where they stacked the box with 9 players to stop him. Auburn fans gloated about stopping his chances at the Heisman. He also got injured in the first series of the game. He played that whole game with the hip pointer, he hurt his wrist on the final drive of the game. Then he came back and accounted for nearly 200 yards against the then #1 defense in the country. You call a 113 yard rushing, 80 yard receiving , 3 TD game against the #1 team in the country meager? Yet a 200+ rushing game for Gerhardt against one of the worst defenses in FBS is stellar I guess. If people are going to play the stats game, they need to also look at SOS.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
See if you can find the defense SOS
We would not be #1 or undefeated without Ingram in the middle of the season while McElroy was struggling to catch up to the better defenses.
Good find though but they also get a better SOS from losing to 4 of those teams. ;)
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
You could also make an argument that Standford would be undefeated with Alabama's defense
Gerhart put on a heck of a performance this year, and I don’t think his stats aren’t just showy against bad competition.
If you read my earlier posts...
…I also think Gerhardt is a great back and Stanford probably would have lost a few more without him. I just don’t buy that he is a better back than Ingram just because he ran for more yards on more carries. If you include receiving yards, they are almost in a dead heat for total yards. Ingram had a higher average per carry, higher percentage of YAC and was a bigger threat to catch and run. I think this is why it was so close. I would take Gerhardt on my team any day but right now, he would probably be third on our depth chart. I doubt Ingram will be a threat to repeat because he will be sharing carries 50/50 with Trent Richardson next year instead of 65/35.
To your point, Stanford would probably have won the Pac10 with our defense, maybe even gone undefeated. Also in reference to your post, Ingram stepped it up against our toughest competition. He averaged over 200 yards against our top 5 opponents(rushing and receiving).
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Regardless of overall SOS
SEC defenses > Pac10 defenses
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 13, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
me me the second “putrid” performance Ingram had
Tennessee?
Ingram isn’t the most outstanding player on his team, let alone in all of FBS.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 13, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
99 yards
is not a putrid performance. FWIW, Tennessee stacked the box on him as well. Now that McElroy has his confidence against tough defenses, they will not be able to stack the box. Also overlooked is how he stepped up against the toughest defenses, averaged over 200 yards vs the top 5 defenses he faced. He could have had a better game vs Tenny if McElwain had not tried to get cute in the Red Zone(went exclusively to the air).
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
How about Arkansas? 2.9 yards/carry. It wasn't the end of the season though.
Stanford faced 1 team that allowed between 100 and 110 yds/g rushing. So did Bama.
Stanford faced 5 teams that allowed less than 130 yds/g rushing. Bama faced one.
Stanford faced defenses that actually allowed less yds/g total than Bama did. Not by much, but less.
I think Suh was probably most deserving.
Was Gerhardt the best back in the PAC 10...
…I could dig up stats that support the defenses Stanford played against facing very few power backs. We could do this thing all day and then some. Let us all agree that any of the top 4 were as deserving as the other 3.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Did Colt finish in 4th? Have they announced that yet?
Ingram was the leader through most of the season. He did it in a tough conference and he delivered in most of his teams big games (not Auburn).
He deserved it. Had Suh not destroyed our O-Line I’m confident Colt would have won it. But, hey, it could be worse. We could be going to the Sun Bowl. On to what’s really important, the MNC..
I think he finished 3rd...
Gerhart was a close 2nd and Colt was a little behind that. He had 203 first place votes to Ingram’s 240ish, I dont remember the graphic exactly.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Just saw, it was 3rd. Congrats to Colt. Not a bad year when you come in 3rd for the Heisman
And win the Maxwell, Camp, and Unitas awards.
Painful
And not just the outcome. Fifty six minutes of torture leading up to another WTF moment in college football. However, I did like the looks of those sandwiches that Colt and Tebow had.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
I missed the sandwiches?
Were they from Carnegie Deli? Now I’m really upset.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
one-week effect strikes again
Although I think colt had more rushing yards than ingram over the last two weeks. Ingram is a patheric recipient, just like tebow was.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 12, 2009 9:06 PM CST reply actions
Really, I hope your team feels the same way
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
My team?
I don’t have “my team,” unless you’re counting my road racing team. I am a fan of a certain college football team, though, and I’m sure it’s too busy taking care of business and planning to prove they’re the BCS champions. Alabama, on the other hand, is probably enjoying the baby powder being sprinkled on their behinds by the media, who have conveniently forgotten about Auburn.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 13, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
I did not come here for flaming
I came here to discuss football with sensible Longhorn fans. Keep thinking that MY TEAM , will come in over confident. My comment here was directed at your calling Ingram pathetic. You probably don’t consider Texas “your team” because you probably don’t actually provide any actual support to them. It is quite obvious you have no idea about football and it’s players, to call Ingram pathetic.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
BTW...
…I put in parentheses after MY TEAM an explanation, it auto edited out I guess. I do claim them as MY team because I provide financial and vocal support for them. Grnated I own a very small share in the stock known as Alabama Football.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Ingram's not a pathetic player
Just another pathetic example of the recent trend in the Heisman voting. Or, more simply, a pathetic Heisman winner.
I honestly don’t get how you make your conclusion about team ownership, so I guess. I could explain the possessive grammatical concept to you later. Or, if you’re up for it, we could wax semantical on ownership. But since you own the Alabama football team, you’re probably too busy.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 13, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
He's not pathetic he's patheric.
“Patheric” means very, very, good, but shooting yourself in the foot by enraging your competition in the MNC.
Heh
I do claim a very small share of ownerships, as do all fans that support a team. If not for the fans, there would be no Alabama or Texas football programs. I am a season ticket holder and provide a small share of the revenue they use to run the program. Hell, even Saban has said that we are important to their success. Much like Ingram was integral to our success this year. Honestly, Texas would not be as good as they are without McCoy, Nebraska would not be as good on defense without Suh, Stanford may not be headed to a bowl without Gerhardt. BAMA would not be in the BCSCG without Ingram. So I do not find him to be a “pathetic” winner. He was as deserving as any other candidate. I could not have called McCoy, Suh or Gerhardt a “pathetic” winner if they had won.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
SOrry got a little heated there...
…I just didn’t like the pathetic comment. Got a little defensive, I guess, heh
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Go win the trophy that really matters
Imagine being a Texas O-Lineman tonight…this past week has been nothing but a Suh love fest basically at their expense. Hell, Fowler even said it in his opening, “Ndomakong, how does it feel to have knocked Colt out of the front runner position for the Heisman.”
I think it was obvious to everyone that Colt’s/UT’s offensive performance coupled with Suh’s monster game in the Big XII C took the shine off Colt’s Heisman bid. But I didn’t really want to believe one game a Heisman winner makes. But it really hit home when I saw the votes. If you even take half of the first place votes Suh recieved (which I’m pretty sure came from several voters who had been in Colt’s camp before the conf. title game) and put them in Colt’s favor, he most likely would have won it.
That’s pure conjecture and maybe one of our great stats guys at the BON can prove me wrong, but there’s no doubt Colt was the front runner after the A&M game (explains why he cleaned up at the CFB Awards Ceremony in Orlando anyway because I think those finalists were determined before the Big XII C).
That being said, and before any Cornhusker fans get bent out of shape, let me say that I wholeheartedly believe Suh was an extremely worthy candidate and deserved all the votes he received. Moreover, the national acclaim he’s now receiving was long overdue. But the Heisman is not a defensive player’s award. It never has been.
I’ll also say that Ingram and Gerhart were worthy too, but based on Colt’s body of work, this was really his trophy to lose this year. And unfortunately, in mind anyway, he did.
Let’s hope this Heisman near miss galvanizes the resolve of the team, particularly the O-Line, like it did in 2005 when VY lost his Heisman bid. There is still one huge game left and redemption is there for the taking if you’re UT.
Go win the trophy that really matters.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
The heisman is not a defensive players' award. You're partially correct there. It's a best player in college football award, which should not matter on what side of the ball you're playing.
Just because we only really see offensive players win the award, it doesn’t mean that it can only go to a player on the offense. It’s stupid that it always goes to that side of the ball when a lot of years, they’re not the ones with the highest quality players.
TEXAS FIGHT
What you say is correct
If you completely disregard all history of the Heisman. It’s the most consistent offensive player with the best two games to end the season best game to end the season. Remember, Bradford won it for being somersaulted on the sideline.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Dec 13, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
I would have given my vote
to Suh but I guess I am more of a defensive person anyway…
Much rather would have the National championship than a Heisman anyway.
As happy as I am for Ingram...
…I too am a defensive person. I would have had no issue with Suh winning it. I also really only care about Jan 7th.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Alabama is Jinxed when it comes to playing Texas
In 107 years, they have never beat us and they are not going to beat us this time. Let’s get the Jinx thingy in their head and play headgames with them.
Hook’em Horns!!!
"When you pass, three things can happen and two are bad", DKR, why he chose to run instead of pass.
It seems like as good a time as any...
…to end that streak. We also had never wona Heisman either. ;)
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Which is an amazing thing, considering the program's history
by burntorangehorn on Dec 13, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
During most of our heyday...
…which I think may be coming back in force, we never featured a single player. Bryant had 6 or so backs that he would rotate. He never had a QB put up huge numbers because he played more of a ball control offense. Frank Thomas, Wallace Wade and Gene Stallings followed that same mantra. Ingram even only accounted for about 45% of our carries.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
They definitely got it wrong.
Personally, I think Suh should have won it. He was the Nebraska defense. Without him getting pressure and forcing double teams, Nebraska would have had a much harder time penetrating so they wouldn’t have been able to stop the passing game as well as they did. Suh was possibly more integral to the NU team than Ingram and I think Ingram shouldn’t have even been in the top 2.
TEXAS FIGHT
If you look at my earlier posts on this thread...
…I would have had no problem if Suh had gotten the nod. I think defensive players are as important, if not more so, than offensive skill players. I do not however buy that Gerhardt is a better player than Ingram.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
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