What's the deal with not wanting to draft Colt McCoy?
After looking around to see what NFL teams are saying about the draft, I have noticed something... Colt McCoy is either A)Regularly not mentioned or B) Looked down upon. I have even seen cases where teams would rather take Jimmy Clausen over Colt... JIMMY CLAUSEN?! Maybe you guys know something I don't, but it seems to me Colt McCoy would be a great draft pick for someone.
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Doesn’t have prototypical NFL size and arm strength. NFL scouts are obsessed with measurables. They want 6’5, 235 pounds with a rocket arm regardless of whether or not the guy can win a game or play good in the clutch. That’s why a guy like Jevan Snead will probably be drafted in the NFL draft over a guy he couldn’t pass on the depth chart. NFL guys want Ryan Mallett, Jevan Snead, and Clausen and don’t want to “gamble” on a proven winner who just plays well on gamedays. I think Colt can be a good NFL quarterback, but I kind of hope he falls to the end of the first or middle of the second so he can go somewhere and sit for a while and learn the NFL game. The worst case scenario would be for him to go somewhere where he might have to play as a rookie.
Good point.
Wouldn’t you think that Scouts would look at Accuracy? Completion ratings and that sort of thing? I can’t imagine that Snead, Clausen or any one of them have the same type Dead aim Colt Does.
Again, I don’t know what they look for.
Sorry for asking what might be stupid questions.
Accuracy
Colt Brennan is the most accurate QB in college football history (leads McCoy by 0.1%) and he didnt do so well on draft day.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Accuracy
Also, Colt’s accuracy is so high in part because Texas runs an offense centered on short high-percentage passes. No doubt, many in the NFL see his statistics as the by product of the offensive system. Since it is not a system run in the NFL (although the 49ers seem to be running a variation of it), they may wonder if he can make all the passes required in a pro-style offense.
by Loisaida Horn on Dec 15, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
QB's change position alot
after the combine. If Colt has a good showing, he could sneak up there.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Definitely
the size and arm strength are concerns. I also think that his low release is a bit of a concern factored in with his size and that his footwork is far less than ideal. I imagine that his tendency to get happy feet in the pocket and run into sacks also isn’t a positive for him.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
He does have a lot of passes knocked down (or up!) at the line of scrimmage.
That paired with his barely, barely 6’2 frame does not bode well with NFL Scouts. Let’s also not forget that NFL scouts had Jamarcus Russell as a consensus Top 5 pick.
The knocks against Colt will be much of the same as they were against Vince.
He hasn’t worked in a pro style offense. He hasn’t worked much from under center. If I were an NFL GM right now I would take Clausen over Colt. Clausen had tremendous numbers this year playing a much tougher schedule than Texas and he played in an NFL system, knows the terminology, and didn’t turn the ball over near as much as Colt did. Colt will get his shot with an NFL team and he very well may pan out. However, as we’ve seen many times before, being a great college QB doesn’t always translate to the NFL.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
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Etch
You are drinking way too much of that Irish koolaid up there. You make a good point, but the ND love is turning you green. Orange-up my friend. We’ve got a MNC game on the horizon and the Irish ship has sailed, Weis it or not.
However, as we’ve seen many times before, being a great college QB doesn’t always translate to the NFL.
This following a Clausen love fest?
I don't think I'm being Green
Just objective.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Ryan Leaf was drafted 2nd overall.
Let the analysts do what they do for a living. Colt will get his chance to prove if he’s got what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
All of these criticisms of Colt can be applied to another QB by the name of Drew Brees.
How’s he doing in the NFL?
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 16, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions
Mallett's the top prospect, IMO
Colt…well, I think someone could gamble on him in the late-1st, but the scout obsession with measurables is generally well-founded when it comes to arm strength and height. Colt doesn’t have the greatest of either, or the greatest of touch either, so it’s possible he could slip a little. I actually would be thrilled if he went anywhere on the first day.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions
He will be next year.
It would be foolish for him to come out this year. He had a decent year but was very inconsistent as well. From a measurables standpoint he is the kind of QB you would build in a lab. After one more year he will definitely be the top QB in the 2011 draft.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I think he'd be foolish as well, except:
Currently Jimmy Clausen is the only QB who is a definite first-rounder. I guess probably Bradford, but I wasn’t one of those convinced he was a top-five pick in the first place, and the injury has to be an enormous concern.
Mallett was inconsistent, but he’s not really all that raw. He had good development in the QB factory at Michigan, and Petrino’s good at preparing his QBs as well. With his measurables, Mallett will likely only shoot up in value in post-season workouts, as such workout warriors (Cutler, Boller, Stafford) do not have to face the unexpected in workouts like they do in real games. The vacuum in which they’re judged actually helps them more than it does guys like McCoy.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
I agree on Bradford
From an NFL standpoint I was never particularly impressed. I never really thought Bradford did anything great. I thought he did a lot of things really well but nothing special. The small window that we had to judge him on this year doesn’t really help much, either.
Mallet’s definitely not raw and he has had some good schooling thus far as far as QB development is concerned. As an NFL GM, though, you are really only drafting him based of this years production and it wasn’t great. Granted, he started or played in like 8 games at Michigan his freshman year but I would just be concerned he hasn’t shown enough yet.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
experience -> NFL success
I’m a firm believer in the data that show that the greatest correlation with a QB’s NFL success is the number of college starts he had. Mallett definitely doesn’t have that many. That’s another reason I didn’t think Sanchez was a very good buy. Not only is he a self-promoting douche, but he’s also inexperienced and not all that terrific a talent in the first place.
Mallett, well, I don’t dislike him as a person like I do Sanchez, and his talent is tremendous, but I think he has the talent and tools to make scouts forget about his inexperience and go in the top ten, easily. Could he be the #1-overall pick next year? Absolutely. But he could be this year as well, and if he weren’t, he could at least be top-five with a decent post-season showing.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 18, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions
Clausen not foolish
This is the last year under the current labor agreement in the NFL. If Clausen comes out next year rather than this year, he’ll stand to make probably half the money he’ll make this year. That’s not foolish at all.
Clausen is a great prospect and should be high on draft boards. Very strong arm, very accurate, fairly mobile. Leadership skills may not be the best right now. Forget ND’s record. His defense was responsible for half the games that he lost.
Bradford could be a ‘lights out’ pro thrower or someone not good enough to even stay on a team as a 3rd stringer. I can’t tell. Before he ever got hurt, he looked to frail to be playing and too immobile to be very effective. In the NFL, he won’t be surrounded with all-star talent (ala 2008 OU) better than every other team he plays.
I’d take Tebow before I’d take Bradford. He’s in an offense now that emphasizes his running. He was a slinger in high school. He’s strong as an ox, has great leadership skills, and great moxie. He’ll be, at the very least, a good backup QB. I could easily see him being a perennial pro bowler after a good QB coach turns him back into a thrower first & foremost.
Colt’s pro career is going to be very interesting to watch. He’s got plenty of arm strength & accuracy, regardless of what offense he’s been in at Texas. Great leadership, willingness to work hard in the gym and on the practice field. Just look at his physical improvement from his freshman season. Terrific mobility – can run but usually runs around looking for receivers to make a big play. Pulls amazing plays out of arse all the time and throws better on the run than anyone I’ve EVER seen. Winning “moxie”. Some people have it, some don’t. I’m not saying he’s going to be same but Joe Montana came in with a winning moxie and not necessarily the most protypical NFL body. He knew how to lead and how to win. NONE of us knows how Colt’s going to turn out as a pro but if I had to draft a QB and had to choose between Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy, Colt would be the easy decision for me. Think Drew Brees with the ability to run and Vince with the ability to make every throw in the field.
Hopefully a first rounder.
He is a proven game winner. Beyond all the measurements and statistics, the kid is trainable.
Instead of looking at negative aspects, there are too many great intangibles he exudes. He’s incredibly accurate, generally makes good decisions and is mobile. Not only is he mobile, but he’s dead accurate on the run.
I just don’t see him NOT going in the first round.
Which teams are looking for a QB?
Browns
Raiders-ugh
Redskins
Broncos-may not be sold on Orton
Jags
Dolphins
Minnesota (backing up Farve)
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