Replacing Urban Meyer: Four Reasons It Won't Be Muschamp
by Peter Bean on Dec 27, 2009 1:54 PM CST
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Print- First and foremost, unless and until this thing becomes final, no one with a bright future is going to be interested in the job if the possibility exists he'd just be keeping Urban Meyer's seat warm. ESPN is now reporting that Meyer is considering a leave of absence, rather than retirement, which even if developments show to be untrue adds an element of uncertainty into the situation. Even a little bit of uncertainty at this stage makes Muschamp an extremely unlikely candidate. With a national title game to prepare for and a Top 5 job already waiting for him, the situation would have to be super-duper-picture-perfect for him to even entertain the idea. This seems not to be such a situation.
UPDATE: SI's Andy Staples confirms that it's a leave of absence. So that's that.
- Florida wants a head coach with experience. What makes Muschamp at Texas a different situation is that here he's being trained in the palace, by the king, to take over the kingdom. Not that there aren't reasons to think Muschamp could do well -- very well, even -- in a different kingdom, but it's a bigger risk for Florida than it will be for Texas handing him the keys to a car he's been training to drive. Mix all your favorite metaphors -- the bottom line is that Florida's almost certain to gun for a replacement with head coaching experience. If Texas weren't training Muschamp, they'd do the same when Brown retired.
- You can count on one hand the number of jobs that would make Florida a lateral move. Texas is one of them. From the recruiting, to the faculty-angering finances, to the championship potential, and on down the list, Texas is second to none. Certainly not after what Mack Brown's done to wake the sleeping giant.
- The timing is terrible. Assuming Meyer is retiring and not pausing, Jeremy Foley will need to move quickly on a replacement, and Will Muschamp is not in the best position to take on that kind of distraction. This is not to say that he couldn't if he wanted to. But I'd bet my bottom dollar he won't.
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Despite the whole Urban Meyer leave of absence thing.......
Lets say if the Florida athletic director did call Muschamp and offered him millions of dollars, you really think that he’ll just say “no thanks, I’m the coach in waiting even though Mack Brown just received a raise and he’ll probably be around in Austin until he’s the same age as Bobby Bowden or JoePa…” Come on now, be serious. Who cares if his wife likes Austin, I’m sure she would like Florida just as much despite the humidity increase. Plus, Florida breeds talent. It would be a once in a lifetime opportunity if it was available. If I was in his shoes, I’d hop on the opportunity. All coaches have to start somewhere. Why not start off in a state where talent/recruits are highly available. But of course, with Urban Meyer changing his mind, I doubt he leaves.
OU fans never cease to amaze me.
Did you read the post at all? It would be a LATERAL move. For every reason you just pointed out. The talent coming out of the state is comparable to Texas but still not the same. Look at how many D1 prospects Texas puts out compared to Florida. Its not comparable. Even if you wanted to compare the number of 4 or 5 star prospects each state produces year in and year out it would be comparable and leave you no reason to move on. He’s being handed the keys to the kingdom and will walk in to a ready made situation when Mack retired with no fall off. Not the same story in Florida. There will still be some Meyer loyalists regardless.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I concur
I was going to dissect his rambling statement by statement but realized it wasn’t worth the time. When I read the part about “If I was in his shoes” that was enough for me.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 28, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
and now a message from CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!
“last time i checked when going from a Head coach IN WAITING to a position as head coach that would not be considered a lateral move at all unless you are just refering to lateral in the geographic sense” and now back to your regular scheduled blogging…
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 28, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
You missed the point
which is that head coach at Texas to head coach at Florida would be a lateral move. .. in the football sense. And, yes, in the geographical sense (warning-books kill).
But since you’re being a smart aleck I’m gonna go one further and say that moving from assistant coach at Texas to head coach at Florida is a lateral move. In a football sense.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 28, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
No you actually missed my point....that your point is meaningless.
A. Muschamp is not the head coach
B. Mack Brown is not considering taking the HC position at FL
C. So what was the point of your point again?
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 29, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was OBVIOUS, captain.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 29, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was rhetorical, basshole
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 30, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
For One
Mack Brown won’t coach until he’s the age of Bowden and JoePa. Mack already said he wouldn’t. That’s why Muschamp is the coach in waiting.
Florida is comparable.......
Some people consider the 2001 Miami to be the greatest team of all time due to the high amount of NFL caliber talent produced from that team (myself included), and you’re telling me that Florida is not comparable to Texas? Yes, Texas has talent. Not only does have talent, but it has plenty of it due to the gigantic overcrowdedness, so in turn mathematically it has the most. But talent is grown everywhere and teams besides Texas win national championships. Heck, that little state of Oklahoma north of you guys has produced 4 Okie born Heisman trophy winners, not to mention the Texas legend DKR whom your stadium is named after. But you’re right, nothing is comparable to Texas. You would think Texas would have 15 national championships with the amount of talent that comes from that state………. But they only have 4 :( I still think the coach in waiting excuse is weak. Money talks, my friends. Just take Nick Saban for example…………..BOOMER!
by EnragedOUfan on Dec 27, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously reading comprehension is an OUsucks weakness as well
Please go re-read the posts. I said Florida has comparable talent but overall Texas still has better talent because of the sheer numbers and the advanced nature of the high school game in Texas. If you have any questions about that just check and see how many starting quarterbacks in D1 hail from our great state. Secondly, Texas does not have “gigantic overcrowdedness” you ass clown. Perhaps the phrase you were looking for was “Texas is a populous state”. Lastly, good for the state of Oklahoma on those Heisman trophy winners. It needs some good press after you land thieves took from the Native Americans what was rightfully theirs. Texas’ national championships are all treasured and unlike Oklahoma’s were won without cheating or by running a dirty program. Its called class. Run along back to your shanty.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Excellent...
check and mate. See ya Sooner…What is that BCS record again up there???
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell
by Mulliganville on Dec 27, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Have to agree that 2001 Miami team had GREAT talent
guys like Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Najeh Davenport, Ed Reed, Ken Dorsey, DJ Williams….
problem is, none of those guys is from the state of Florida. so that kind of defeats your argument.
by 7Swords of Salat on Dec 27, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Why not start off in a state where talent/recruits are highly available.
You mean, like Texas?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 27, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
In what?
15 years? Why would Mack Brown leave? When will Mack Brown leave? He’s on top of his game and he’s the head coach for the top football program in the Lone Star State.
by EnragedOUfan on Dec 27, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
It's hard to believe they'd anoint a successor without any idea of when it'll happen
I in no way want Muschamp more than Mack as HC, but I expect it to happen within 2-3yrs.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 27, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Um, if I were Stoops...
I would campaign to replace Meyer…
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell
by Mulliganville on Dec 27, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Where do you get 15 years from?
Mack’s contract promises him a “significant position within the university” if he decides to relinquish the head coaching job before his contract is up in 2016. So he’s still going to get paid, even if it’s not as the head football coach. He was adamant last year that he was not going to hang around forever like Paterno and Bowden. He wants to leave at the top of his game and when the program is in good shape for his successor so that Muschamp has a chance to continue what Mack has built.
Reason #5
Meyer is not retiring. It’s just an indeffinite leave as the OC will be interim head coach.
(Needless to say, Greg Davs’ house is no longer up for sale.)
Honestly and bluntly
I cannot believe that anyone would be talking about Muschamp to UF. I would bet everything in my bank account, my dog, my house, my job, etc that Muschamp never leaves Austin unless he is fired.
The fact that people think he will go somewhere else to take a head coaching job is insane. He is in line for one of the top jobs in all of college athletics and I just dont see how anyone would give that up.
It seems like every year his name is brought up by the ol’ rumor mill as the head coach of Louisville or SD State or ND, etc etc. Come on, if yall were a DC would you leave the richest and most successful athletics program in the country for somewhere else? Would you leave the most talented recruiting bed of the world to try and start new somewhere else? Would you leave all of the admiration and respect of the boosters and fanbase to go start fresh somewhere else? No way.
Muschamp will never leave. Take that to the grave, I will. If Muschamp ever leaves, I will stop posting here. End of thread
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on Dec 27, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions
I would take that bet
I love Will and hope that he succeeds Mack – but it just seems to be a pipe dream to me. I do not see Mack stepping down in the next 5-7 years and I cannot believe Will would wait that long. Now if Mack has a genuine interest in replacing DeLoss – I would agree with you.
If Dodds is smart
and he is, they’ll continue to groom Muschamp. Job title asided Muschamp should receive more and more head coaching duties each successive year until he’s up to co-head coach level. I’m sure Mack would let him take over some of the alumni banquets.
I remember how John Mackovic was a brilliant if inconsistent tactician on the field and off. I think some of that had to do with fitting into the culture here. You don’t just take a guy and slam him into the head coaching job here. It takes a while to get to know the alumni, the fans, the administration and most importantly, the High School Coaches. It took Mack a number of years to master this art and Dodds knows this. It really is an art.
If job title doesn’t matter Muschamp has everything he could possibly need here
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 28, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Though no one with half a brain
would argue that Texas is everything you stated. Great recruiting, plenty of money and rich tradition…but to say that programs can’t compare is awfully homeresque….
How about USC? Can easily control the state in recruiting and Cali is a hot bed for talent. Maybe not Texas hot but pretty damn good. The Pac-10 is weak and you’re pretty much guaranteed a Rose Bowl invite every other year.
UF? The original writer said going to UF would be a lateral move. How so? Besides the recruiting angle, how is going from a DC the same as going to a HC?
More money? Check
More control? Check
Damn good recruiting? Check
Tradition? Check
Fanbase? Check
Better league? Check
Maybe im crazy but i don’t see it being lateral. Now, if he was already the HC, then yes it would be lateral.
Dare I mention Alabama? The recruiting is obviously not as good in the state. But Alabama (the state) has come a long way in producing top end talent. Not to mention that Georiga, Texas, Louisiana, and Florida are all in arms reach. Bama is also in the top 5 when it comes to “richest” programs according to Forbes. No need to mention tradition…money or fanbase, cause i would argue Bama has a lot of all that…
Texas is a damn fine program, one of the best around for sure. But to act like other schools couldn’t pull him away is a bit far fetched. As other people have mentioned, there is no time frame on Browns departure and ambitious men like Will aren’t going to be patient forever..
So yeah…If UF went after Will (which i don’t think they would) and offered him big time money..you are betting an awful lot that he wouldn’t go…
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
I think you misunderstood the lateral move issue
I’m pretty sure the author meant that the HC job at UF would be a lateral move from HC at UT. Since Muschamp is the HC in waiting, basically he’d be getting at best the same promotion a year or few early, but would have to go through setting up a new regime instead of taking full control of something he’s been handling for years.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 28, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
question for UT fans...
and im not being sarcastic..
When Brown leaves, do you think Muschamp will “clean house” or just take over the job? Cause if i were him, id want my guys in place. Not a bunch of dudes Brown hired..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Depends on who is still around
I think a few would be replaced, but for the most part, the coaching staff would remain in tact. There is a lot of speculation that Greg Davis will retire with Brown. Though, no one knows for sure. Also, Muschamp would be a fool to replace Akina. Dude has earned the right to stay!
I guess my question would be who are Muschamps guys? Are they a significant upgrade from what is currently in place? Without knowing who they are, my bet is no (with the exception of a few key spots).
Good question bammer.
Major Applewhite would be the biggest “?” for me. I think the O-line McWhorter is gone this year anyway and I agree with GoHorns re; Akina. If Akina goes then it will be of his own doing. I don’t know if Muschamp would move him to DC? Akina’s tried it before and has proven better at the DB/Special Teams specialist.
Would Major move to OC if Davis goes with Mack or would someone else come aboard?
The one thing I am certain of is that when Mack says he’s stepping out then count it as gospel. Muschamp will have a great deal of support around him regardless.
muschamp would be insane to clean house
There’s no way the recruiting doesn’t suffer significantly without the guys who have been developing the pipelines for years.
I think Giles, Akina, Rucker, Applewhite, and a few others would be asked to stay. I would guess that Mack and Davis synch their exit from coaching. I think Gray would be a decent choice for DC.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 28, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I would guess Applewhite
I’ve always thought that the plan was for him to take over as OC whenever GD retires. That’s just an assumption, though. As long as it’s not until at least 2011, I’d probably feel good.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 28, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
That scares me a little
I know Major was OC at Alabama, but do we want a raw OC and a raw HC at the same time? Not saying that it would be a bad combination, just concerning. I’d love to see a big time OC up and comer (like Gus Mahlzan, or however you spell it) to come in until he’s called up to be a head coach and groom Major a little more.
Then again, I could be completely off base and Major would be the best thing sense sliced bread.
Malzahn has been good in some places
But he’s been shut down by most big-time competition his offenses have faced. That’s why I think people need to be careful what they wish for when it comes to getting rid of GD. There are definitely more interesting guys out there, but almost none of them are really any more effective against tough defense.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 29, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
I just mentioned Malzahn
only to illustrate a point and his name seems to be a popular one. I’m certainly not calling for GD’s head. I think he’s far better than he gets credit for. I do think, though, that he will (voluntarily) go with Mack so that opens up the discussion of who would be next.
I honestly can’t think of an OC I’d rather have. Not to say they don’t exist, but I can’t think of one.
I asked the same question
a couple of months back looking at offensive production. There have been personnel problems at RB and in the OL that’s led to necessary simplification of the running game, which most agree is the major issue. Then I looked at the bottom line track record and it is good.
I’m not sure anyone could have done any better, couldn’t think of anyone I’d rather have than Davis. I honestly think grooming Applewhite for OC is ongoing and not a bad idea, provided he would be content with that. He didn’t do a great job at Bama but he was a rookie and didn’t have the talent they have now and I’m not sure how well he meshed with Saban, apparently not well.
This might be an entirely different discussion had the defense not come through this year.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 29, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
IDK about Major as
an OC…He did an alright job with alright talent at Bama but he did some bone headed stuff. Kinda strange that once he left and we got McElwain, our offense got about 100 times better..
But i guess you chalk that up to him being a rookie OC..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
"a year or few"
or like 10 whatever…
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 28, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
was this supposed to imply anything?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 28, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Just that FSU just showed us how horrible HCIW can turn out when details are not specifically lined up ....and also how horrible it can turn out when detials are specifically lined up.
MB is not going Anywhere Anytime Soon. If Muschamp got the opportunity (and I am not saying he will) to be the HC at a superpower like Florida now vs. being the HC at TX in like 10-13 years. I would say that he can further his career much much farther by making that move. So since this article is completely about the possibility( or lack of) Muschamp going to FL, you must be realistic in the sense that due to the ambigous timeline of this promotion, you cant blaim the guy if he gets the chance of a lifetime…and its not FL that makes it the chance of a lifetime…its the fact that UM has raised that program to their current stature and would be leaving the keys to the mansion stocked with 4/5stars
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 29, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
MB is not going Anywhere Anytime Soon.
Do you know something that none of the rest of us knows, save perhaps Mack, DeLoss Dodds, and Muschamp?
its the fact that UM has raised that program to their current stature and would be leaving the keys to the mansion stocked with 4/5stars
UM?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 29, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
No just stating my opinion based on the success hes having and his raise.
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 29, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
UM=Urban Meyer
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 29, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Just throwing a very possible hypothetical out there.
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 29, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, makes more sense now
I thought we had suddenly gone to talking about Michigan, Mizzou, Minny, Ole Miss, or whatever.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 29, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
He's said that he wants to go out on top
I actually have a sick feeling in my stomach that he could retire if UT wins the championship next month.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 29, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
It won't be Muschamp
because Meyer isnt leaving until after the 2010 season. Then it might be Muschamp…
by the other Andrew on Dec 27, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions
I don't want to make light of...
what my be a very serious medical condition, but what just happened here…no there is too much, I will sum up:
Last night Meyer said he’s quitting, but because his players “practiced hard” and said pretty please with a Sugar Bowl win on top of it, he now says he’s just taking a leave of absence which, if you just watched his press conference, doesn’t really sound like he’s leaving at all. In fact, unless I misheard him, I think he said he fully expects to be the head coach next fall walking the sidelines per his usual.
"I quit….psyyyyyyyyyyyyyyycccccchhhhhh."
So the net-net in my jaded world is that the Sugar Bowl just got a lot of extra pub/hype and the emotional pendulum just swung from the heartbreak Cincinnati kids who lost their coach over to the the 24-hour orphans of Florida who only sorta lost their coach, but now know that he loves them very much though they may have to live with a new daddy for a while.
I would have loved to have been in Vegas to watch the betting line on the Sugar Bowl move the last 24 hours…probably looked like a 7.2 on the Richter Scale.
Your move, Cinci…if the Bearkats want the emotional edge back, I think Brian Kelly has to hop the next raft down the Mississippi or QB Tony Pike has to reveal that he’s actually a Werewolf but won’t change into the wolf and use his super powers against Florida because he wants to "win in the end" like Michael J. Fox did in Teenwolf.
It’s been quite a weekend.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on Dec 27, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
lots of positive media, too
ESPN became a virtual Urban Meyer/Florida infomercial this weekend during a recruiting dead period. They proclaimed him the best coach of the BCS era while praising him in an almost post-mortem way. Lane Kiffin should take notes.
Thing is, to call him out you have to basically say he’s the kind of guy that would leverage his own health problems for good publicity & player motivation.
Remember the New Coke?
One of the greatest marketing ploys to ever hit the airwaves. Pepsi was making huge market share gains on them and so Coca Cola used a marketing technique called the “take-away”. How many of you tried the “New Coke” only to cry in disparage for the return of the “Classic”. Oh, that’s a good idea. We’ll label the old Cola with a new label, enter the “new” Coke Classic!
Brace yourself for the “new” Urban Meyer next fall. Will we see a Sub-Urban in the meantime? I mean he has to get worse before he can get better, right? I look for the name change now to something like Urban Legend Meyer to roll out of SECSPN by next fall.
Hungry made a great point. I think it’s a dice roll for Meyer, but the loss of Strong, emotional edge to Cinci, and tougher than normal recruiting battles going on ala Luc, Hicks, and others, then Meyer was desperate for a media fest via camera time. Tebow in tow of course. Seems pretty Frosted Flakey in Gainsville.
Pepsi please
Reading your post it struck me, you’re exactly right!!! It’s a new marketing effort!! Brilliant!!! With Tebow leaving Kirk Herbstreit dusted off his old Marketing 301 textbook to reinvent the SEC!!! Not everybody liked the old one and the Big 12 was gaining market share. Not sure how but they’ll fit Alabama and Tennessee into this somehow.
With Tebow leaving ratings are sure to sour and this ratchets up the ratings for the, what is it this year, oh the Supreme Fish Delight Sugar Bowl. Not much going on with the Cincy game so they had to inject some sort of SEC hype and it sets up the soap opera for next year.
It’s only the season finale, there’s plenty more to come just in time for sweeps!
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 28, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
I shake my head at this Meyer business
It’s an embarrassment to the University of Florida. I’m glad this BS never happens at Texas, and hope it never does.
I agree. Very badly done.
And a thinly veiled attempt to keep a recruiting class intact. But we should have expected such a stunt, or, at least, not been surprised by it. After all, with Urban Meyer, it’s all me, all the time. Bob Stoops is his only equal in that respect.
Would you say Meyer's resignation was an Urban legend? Rock me.
Yeah, I went there…that just happened.
Sorry, had to do it.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
Yeah I Would
Brace yourself for the "new" Urban Meyer next fall. Will we see a Sub-Urban in the meantime? I mean he has to get worse before he can get better, right? I look for the name change now to something like Urban Legend Meyer to roll out of SECSPN by next fall.
As posted above…I couldn’t help myself either.
lol
Wow, what a complete waste of time to write.
Muschamp is not leaving
He can stay at Texas and make a million or thereabouts a year before he takes over as HC coaching a team for fans that truly adore him for the winner he is. He is being groomed by a recruiting genius. Most likely, in under 5 years, he will take over a staff that he already has ties too, and they have major recruiting pipelines in place throughout the state already. The boosters and powers that be will already know and have a relationship with him when he takes over.
Or, he can go to Florida and start from scratch and try to please a fan base that has won 2 National Titles in the last 4 years. He will be criticized for every single mistake and be under the microscope from day one, and if he can’t produce like Meyer did then they will be calling for his head in 4 to 5 years, and he probably won’t have the Texas job waiting for him then.
Yeah, he would be starting from scratch in FL....
…you know because the cupboard is so bare and all. Plus I am sure that Florida has not developed any pipelines. The truth to this whole thread can be summed up in one sentence. One awkward compound sentence. Cue BOH’s english lesson. “The only reason that Muschamp is not going to go to Florida, is at this time they have not approached him because they dont even know if they need a head coach To be continued…but Texas vs. Florida sounds like a win win for any coach”
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by The Voice of Reason on Dec 31, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions
This isn't playstation or x-box
Putting the imprint on the players, both holdovers and new recruits, takes time. Developing relationships with the alumni and board takes time. There are lots of other things to coaching at a major program that Muschamp would have to start from scratch anywhere but where he is now.
But your continued hostility is much appreciated. Please point out again where I perpetuated the rumor you accused me so many times of perpetuating.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 31, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
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