Jeff Sagarin's Poll Released - No Love for UT
by Triple Play on Dec 6, 2009 7:46 AM CST
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I am not entirely sure that this is the official release of his (Sagarin's) poll, but it does say that it is through games of December 5th and it has Florida's loss included. If it is true I am dumbfounded. I do not understand how Florida can remain #2 after losing. If Cincy and TCU are ranked ahead of Texas it is one thing (although I disagree with it) but how is a one loss Florida ahead of an undefeated Texas no matter how the victories happened. I hate Sagarin or at least his system of ranking teams.
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The BCS uses the ELO_CHESS which is the column in red
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He does in the way the list is sorted.
The list is sorted by the “RATING” column. The BCS uses the ELO_CHESS (in red) column and in that column he has:
1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Cincy
4. TCU
5. Texas
6. Oregon
Also the 7th place team is Boise State.
Which really does not matter much to me, but I think it shows some fault in how he ranks teams. Oregon lost to Boise and also lost to another team (Stanford) yet Oregon is still ranked ahead of Boise.
Another Complaint
Texas opponents and ranks:
Okie St (9-3) 28
Neb. (9-4) 46
OU (7-5) 48
Texas Tech (8-4) 49
Florida and/or Alabama opponents and ranks:
LSU (9-3) 8
Ark (7-5) 19
Auburn (7-5) 23
Tenn (7-5) 31
What I do not understand is how the records of the two sets appear to be somewhat similar and the opponents of Texas are ranked (28,46,48,&49). While the opponents of Florida and/or Alabama are ranked (8,19,23,&31). I might be completely missing something but this makes no sense to me. Maybe it is non-conference games, but who of any quality did the SEC teams play? I found only two games of any count the SEC teams listed above played out of conference. Auburn beat West Virginia, and Tenn. lost to UCLA at home.
The order of the top is the same as last week.
Also, this is the computer that has been most against Texas this year. Hopefully the others look better than this.
If it's the most against us...
Then it’s also the one that will be thrown out for BCS purposes. Luckily.
That is what I also thought
Also, if you go look at the other computer polls some of them have a column labeled Rating and then another column that is for BCS use, which is confusing to me. In most cases with these two separate columns Texas is rating higher in the Rating column but lower in the one the BCS uses.
It makes sense
Because it uses margin of victory. (Actually, it pretty much ignores W/L in order to do so … a one-point loss and 21-point win are worth the same as two 10-point wins, if I understand his description correctly. The “RATING” column factors in both record and point differential.) That’s a big no-no for the BCS (which is inane).
I agree that point differential should play a small part in the equation.
My biggest difficulty in understanding how these computers and for that fact voters determine rankings is that they seem to favor certain conferences over others. When teams from one conferences seldom play evenly matched games against teams from another conference how can you say that one is definitely better than the other. Meaning that seldom do the best team from one conference play the best teams from another. It usually seems like the best from one conference plays the mediocre or worst teams of another, and then that team gets a quality win even though they have a low chance of even losing the game in the first place.
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