UT vs. Alabama: By the Numbers
I've spent pretty much my entire day massaging statistics to make myself feel better about the championship game (sorry, boss). Unfortunately, what I came up with ain't pretty. This is my first attempt at one of these types of comparisons, so bear with me. For what it's worth:
Offense vs. Opponents' Defense
- Against the best scoring defense the teams faced, Bama scored 32 points (UF #1) and UT scored 13 points (NU #3). (Rank: Bama #2, UT #7) Verdict: Alabama. More points versus a better defense.
- Against the best rushing defense the teams faced, Bama rushed for 251 yards and 3 touchdowns (UF #14), and UT rushed for 67 yards and 3 touchdowns (UCF #4). (UT #1, Bama #2) Verdict: I’m calling this one a draw. First, our “best opponent” was ranked #4, versus their “best opponent” at #14. Second, although they rushed for more yardage, we had the same number of scores. Third, we don’t even pretend to care about running the ball.
- Against the best passing defense they faced, Bama passed for 239 yards, 1 touchdown and 0 interceptions (UF #3), and UT passed for 127 yards, 1 touchdown, and 1 interception (OU #22). (Bama #7, UT #23) Verdict: Alabama. Nearly twice the yardage and no interceptions versus a much better defense.
- Against the best total defense they faced, Bama put up 490 yards and 32 points (UF #4), and UT put up 269 yards and 16 points (OU #7). (Bama #2, UT #3) Verdict: Alabama. Again, nearly twice the yardage and twice the points versus a better unit.
Defense vs. Opponents' Offense
- Against the best scoring offense the teams faced, Bama gave up 7 points (Arkansas #8), and UT gave up 24 points (TT #9). (UT #3, Bama #26) Verdict: Alabama. They gave up less than one-third the points we did, versus a better (albeit barely) unit.
- Against the best rushing offense the teams faced, Bama gave up 88 yards and no touchdowns (UF #9), and UT gave up 134 yards and 1 touchdown (OSU #24). (Bama #12, UT #55) Verdict: Alabama. Gave up fewer yards and no scores versus a better unit.
- Against the best passing offense they faced, Bama allowed 191 yards, 1 touchdown and came down with 1 interception (Arkansas #10), and UT gave up 420 yards, 3 touchdowns, and came away with 1 interception (TT #2). (UT #14, Bama #84) Verdict: Alabama. Gave up less than half the yards and 2 fewer scores, although their opponent at #10 wasn’t quite up to par with our #2.
- Against the best total offense they faced, Bama gave up 335 yards and 13 points (UF #12), and UT gave up 532 yards and 39 points (TAMU #5). (UT #20, Bama #35) Verdict: Alabama. They did a better job, giving up fewer yards and one-third as many points in their biggest game of the year, although, again, their opponent at #12 wasn’t up to snuff with ours at #5.
Head-to-Head Comparisons to Make You Feel Better
- UT scores more points (40.7 vs. 31.7) against nearly the same caliber defensive competition (Bama 54 vs. UT 59).
- UT makes more first downs (315 vs. 272).
- While Alabama averages over 5 yards per carry rushing, they do so against rushing defenses ranked #71. UT averages over 4 yards per carry against defenses ranked #47.
- UT has more rushing touchdowns (28 vs. 27).
- UT has more interceptions made (24 vs. 20).
- UT has more punt returns (4 vs. 1) and kickoff returns (3 vs. 0) for touchdowns.
- UT has caused more fumbles (24 vs. 16) and recovered more fumbles (11 vs. 6).
- UT has a higher 3rd-down conversion rate (46% vs. 41%).
- UT has a higher red-zone success rate (93% vs. 85%).
- UT has a higher FG success rate (88% vs. 85%).
- UT has more tackles for loss (107 vs. 88).
- UT has more sacks (37 vs. 30).
- While Alabama has a better turnover margin (+16 vs. +12), UT has a better turnover margin versus ranked teams (+4 vs. +1).
- Ten of UT’s thirteen opponents had a higher-rated offense than ten of Alabama’s opponents.
- Six of UT’s thirteen opponents had a higher-rated defense than six of Alabama’s thirteen opponents.
All of that having been said, it is important to note that everything shown above is objective; it's a cold-hearted, robotic look at both teams' past performance. But, much like the stock market, past performance is not necessarily an indicator of future performance. As has been noted elsewhere, Alabama basically spent the last 365 days preparing to play Florida, and they went into the Georgia Dome and rolled. They played a nearly perfect game.
The Longhorns, on the other hand, have spent the last 365 days preparing to play in Pasadena. They haven't really played a "complete" game all season, and in fact have appeared to coast through pretty much all of their games, OU, TAMU, and NU included.
Alabama has nowhere to go but down. The 'Horns, hopefully, can still take a big step up and put together their first (and only) complete game of the season, giving us one dominant performance in the only game that really matters to any of us at this point.
So, subjectively, I have faith that Mack will pull it all together and trot a better product out onto the Rose Bowl turf (which, incidentally, we own) to square off with Alabama (who, incidentally, we also own). Cody ain't Suh; McElroy ain't Jerrod. I believe that if Alabama comes onto the field in Pasadena expecting to see the same Texas team they've seen for the last two weeks, they are going to be quite shocked at the whirling ball of butcher knives they run into.
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first. i like it.
i think you did an excellent job and while the very last parts with your personal input is a little subjective with some UT slant, its still a very well written and well produced work. it takes a lot to be this meticulous and sit down and do all of this. i do very much agree that they were geared to beat flo-rida, and UT is geared to play and win in Pasadena.
If You See Kay, Oh You
The Homers in BAMA say UT has no shot....
I have been listening to them since Sunday and all the talk shows and TV shows feel that BAMA will win by 3 TD’s. I know UT looked bad against Nebraska, but heck BAMA almost got beat by AUBIE. I only hope that you can use some of this stuff for inspiration. I’m sick of hearing how great they are. Heck when you have to be BAMA and the homer officials week in and week out, it’s hard. Just look at the penalities that aren’t called on them and the favorable calls they get. At least it won’t be an SEC crew I hope. Most of them live in AL. TEXAS look at the AU & Tenn. tapes and see what they did to slow them down. I think you need to stop the run to win this one. I hope your cover men can handle one on one. Best luck and I hope you make the tide rolllllllll down the bowl. LOL – TY….
We love it
when people trash talk us :) We’ll be there.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 8, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you guys are looking for some new temporary fans...
…you are sure to get them from the AU nation. They were UF fans last week and will be Horns fans until after the game. FWIW, there are some BAMA fans that will make asinine predictions like BAMA 35-UT 0. There are those fans in any fanbase. For the most part, BAMA fans have a lot of respect for Texas and expect a good game from both sides. I am headed to Pasadena and look forward to meeting many of your fans. I believe that most of us fans, on both sides, that will be making the trip, are the level-headed sort. I look forward to some real discussion with fans of another historic football powerhouse.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
hope so..
…b/c we know how the result of that prediction
by vy til i die on Dec 12, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely right about Alabama and Florida...
Saban has been Ahabing the Gators for 12 months. That being said, we are very, very physical, in a way that Texas hasn’t seen yet as I read it. You mentioned that Cody isn’t Suh, but Mclain might be. I can’t wait for this game. UT is a hell of an opponent. Nice work on the stats. Can’t wait to see the results. Good luck, no injuries, and Roll Tide.
If it were up to me, I'd blitz on offense too.
If you think that
Alabama only had their eyes on UF and the SEC CG…you are sadly mistaken..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Sorry, Tide fan...
…but you need to keep up with your own team:
“From the day we walked off the field [a year ago], everything we did was to come back and beat Florida.” – Mark Ingram
“We had a team meeting right before we started the offseason program back in February that we showed a picture to the players of [last year’s] SEC Championship. We said we would have some difficult times, but that we had to work to beat the best team in our league. And right now, the best team in our league is [Florida].” – Nick Saban
Really? Does my signature suck?
.....the mindset being
that if we can beat the best team in our league, in all likelihood, it would put us in Pasadena.
The only teams you can prepare for are the ones on your schedule, and Florida was a virtual lock to represent their side in the SEC CG.
To say that Alabama has been preparing 365 days for Florida, while Texas has been preparing 365 days for Pasadena may sound good , but it’s meaningless. How do you prepare for Pasadena? Pack your luggage early? Add ‘sunglasses’ to your list of what to bring?
Until you know who your opponent is, saying you’ve been preparing for Pasadena 365 days a year means nothing.
by yellowhammer on Dec 8, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
No offense, yellowhammer
but it was one of two, Bama or Florida. I’ve been saying it would probably be Bama for two years. We weren’t expecting tOSU or SC…it is you.
Love being an underdog in this situation.
um of course we prepared all season to beat UF...
Everyone knew they’d be there…everyone thought we’d be there. After last years loss, its only natural that our team would focus on them..
But that loss not only was crushing in how we lost, it was also painful in what we lost. We were 15 away from a NC and UF took that away..
This team not only had its eye on UF and the SEC CG, but also on making it to Pasadena. Want proof?
When some of our players were about to dump gatoraid on Saban, Rolando McClain stopped them and said, “Don’t, we have one more game left”. Trust me, beating UF wasn’t the end..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
here is his exact words..
“I told the guys, ’It’s a big win, but it’s not the biggest win for this year,’” McClain said today. “I told them that ‘If we win the national championship, put whatever you want to put on him. But until then, we’re not going to drench coach with Gatorade.’”
McClain, who was voted one of three captains for the 2009 season and won the Butkus Award today, said he then dumped out the liquids so no teammates could disobey his orders.
“It wasn’t the right time for it,” McClain said. “I didn’t want those guys to feel like the SEC championship was it for us. I didn’t want them to feel like that was the last game and the most important game, because it’s not. We have the biggest game of our life out there. After we win it or when we win it, you can dunk coach then.”
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/12/alabamas_mcclain_we_have_the_b.html
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
MY OPINION of who's better at what..
rushing-Alabama
passing-Texas
defense-very close
special teams- very close (going to be very important)
Whoever doesn’t turn the ball over will win. Texas will have some wrinkles on offense and will be ready.
I would give
the defensive edge (slightly) to Bama (not that I’m biased or anything).
But I’d give special teams to Texas. We’ve had some problems with kick return coverage this year.
Join the club
If Bama would agree to spot the ball at the 35 after every kick instead of trying to run it back, I might take the deal.
I disagree.....
Bama deserves all the credit in the world for their take down of the #1 team……How they caught Urban not paying attention, and not able to adjust was amazing. The Tide is a great team, but not an unbeatable team. They struggled to beat Tenn, and Auburn and LSU gave them a game also. They obviously put everything together for Florida
.
Texas on the other hand, has had shutdown defensive games and blowout offensive games…..unfortunately , we dont often do this in the same game…..ergo, Mack’s comment that we havn’t seen our best game…..yet. Our defense has been the most consistent over the season, and our offense can be scary when its hot.
The analysis above pretty much has it right….the game is going to be a Donnybrook for sure. Don’t expect to see the offense you saw against Nebraska…….We don’t lose bowl games.
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 8, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions
Thank you.
Bama is definitely a good team. But everyone seems to have forgotten that for the vast majority of the season they were not looked on as the main team to beat – in large part due to the unconvincing wins you cited.
Now Bama has the mystique and the unfaltering love of the media. And that’s cool – both teams will have their hands full. But let’s not get too carried away.
The three games you mention
Tennessee, Auburn and LSU are the three teams that consider us their main rival. Sounds a lot like the OU and Texas A&M games to me.
good stats
But my favorite one of all, albeit a stat I normally HATE HATE HATE as an indicator of how things will play out is our all time record against Bama: UT 7-0-1 vs. Bama
by trueorangeblood on Dec 8, 2009 10:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Aggie stampede
We will stampede the georgia bulldogs. Can you do the same to Alabama?
The only interesting thing about the Independence Bowl
is that both a&m and Georgia are Class A Underachievers. Georgia generally rides high expectations to newfound depths; nobody ever expects much of the ags, so failure never comes as much of a surprise. Key difference is that, just when you think Georgia has gone to the dogs (pun intended), they come back and smack somebody (just ask GT). The ags are much more given to choking. I forecast a Georgia win in this one, but hope you enjoy your time in lovely Shreveport.
Thanks I will. But for your information we smacked tech and almost smacked tu. I think Aggies have a bit of an upperhand in this game. georgia’s defense sucks and our offense is almost unstoppable right now.
Good call
In fact, if I remember correctly, the aggies haven’t lost since Thanksgiving. So, you have that going for you….
You will definitely win if...
you can FINALLY manage to show up against a non-Texas team. In other words, don’t make this “Arkansas Part 2”.
Seriously – I’m not trying to smack talk – you guys would be like a top 20 team if you would show up for every game like you do against UT or Tech.
After watchign NU/OU, I think we can safely say that we'll have a terrible game if Bama can pressure Colt/Newton behind the line
In TFL:
OU – #10
NU – #14
Bama – #16
Against Ranked:
OU – #1
NU – #12
Bama – #21
Sacks:
NU – #2
OU – #4
Bama – #25
Against Ranked:
OU- #1
NU – #2
Bama – #15
Well it looks like OU’s and NU’s lines might be a little more elite at the pass rush, but only slightly more / if any better at blowing up running plays.
With those stats, maybe there’s some hope that Colt can get some time in the pocket, though it’s possible NU’s and OU’s stats are inflated from pummelling our line for one game each.
And some more good news...
TFL Allowed:
Bama – #28
Texas – #106
Sacks Allowed:
Bama – #21
Texas – #96
Looking at the wrong teams
The only team that resembles Alabama’s offensive and defensive schemes is Texas A&M. If I were you I would be looking at the Texas A&M game when preparing for the Championship game rather than OU or NU.
I couldn't disagree more.
Nebraska’s defense I think closely parallels what we’ll see out of Alabama, though with a slight edge in the passing game D than the Huskers had.
And I really don’t know a lot about SEC offense, but I’m guessing that Bama doesn’t run that spread-ish offense much, like A&M did. I think Okie Lite’s O would be a better offensive comparison to what we’ll see out of Alabama.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Actually...
In retrospect, looking back to last year’s bowl game against the Buckeyes might be the best comparison to what we’ll see from Alabama. And probably also for the type of game we’ll have out in Pasadena.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
You're right
A&M has an amazing defense. You only gave up 49 points.
And a team with a Heisman finalist RB definitely resembles the spread offense in its purest form.
Bama will almost certainly pressure us behind the line
and vice versa. I think the key will be how each team handles that pressure. We might have to roll the pocket more and use misdirection, screens and draws to take the heat off.
And in this type of game the team with the most rushing yards usually wins the game. We’ll need to stop the run and take care of the ball and all is well.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 8, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Then the 'Horns are fucked, dude....
…‘cause we ain’t going to outrush anybody.
Really? Does my signature suck?
I suspect and hope
that O-Line is working out every day. No Christmas.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 8, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions
Could I suggest throwing out the bottom 4 or 5 teams each team plays? Only calculate the YPG, sacks allowed, TDs ect versus the top 8 defenses faced. Then calculate the sacks, TFLs, yards allowed, ect for the the top 8 offenses faced (the top 8 will likely be different). I think that would give a better picture. I don’t think games against Chattanooga, UTep, ect give much insight.
Yeah, but it'll take a little while...
I’ll have to re-jigger my whole spreadsheet, re-load my iPod, refill my decanter, and just generally get worked up about it again. It was depressing after the first go-round, I’m not sure I can go through it again. Plus which, since I basically wasted an entire day Monday goofing with it, I’m now behind schedule for the week, and I have to go out of town on business tomorrow night.
Really? Does my signature suck?
Yeaaahh....
If you could go ahead and redo this, that would be great, Thanks.
Really though, good job. As depressing as it may be, it’s good info.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 8, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, I lied. It didn't take that long at all, but my wife is now kid of pissed that I've been ignoring her for an hour...
I’m not going to post all the exact numbers, because this page would be eighty-eleven feet long. Instead, I’ll post my summaries…
Sorted over all four offensive categories (scoring/rushing/passing/total), on the whole, Bama’s opponents are equal to or better than ours at scoring (which is bad for us, since even with better-at-scoring opponents, their scoring defense is #2 vs. our #7), quite a bit better at rushing (which is probably bad for us, since they rank right behind us at #2 vs. our #1 , and they do it against signficantly better competition), way worse at passing (which explains nothing; our opponents are way better, so our pass defense is worse at #23 vs. their #7), and a fair bit better overall than our opponents’ offenses (which, again, may be bad, since their #2 vs. our #3 is against better competition). Feeling depressed yet?
Sorted over all four defensive categories (scoring/rushing/passing/total), on the whole, Bama’s opponents are equal to or better than ours at scoring defense (which probably explains why they are #26 in SO vs. our #3), way worse at rushing defense (which is good for us, since they rank #12 vs. our #55, but they do it against signficantly worse competition), way better at passing defense (which explains why our passing offense is #14 vs. theirs at #84), and a fair bit better overall than our opponents’ offenses (which, again, may be bad, since their #35 vs. our #20 is against better competition).
Do you feel better now? I know I sure as hell don’t. As they say, stats are for losers…but you can’t just stick your head in the sand and pretend there’s no historical record. Those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it, or something.
Really? Does my signature suck?
Whoops...
…forgot to say, these numbers were run disregarding the bottom five opponents in each sorted list. I.e., I sorted the list based on “Scoring Offense,” and then cut off the bottom five results. So, the eight teams represented in each category are not necessarily the same eight teams from category to category; they’re just the eight highest-ranked teams in that category.
If anybody wants a copy of this big honkin’ Excel spreadsheet, email me at adt7771 AT gmail DOT com and I’ll send it to you. Maybe you can somehow make it look less depressing.
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I disagree....
I believe you guys wouldnt beat Florida!
I'm not sure we would either.
Fortunately, we don’t have to beat Florida. We only have to be Alabama. Honestly, I like the matchup better.
i have heard that before..
Why do you feel that way?
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Without going into it in depth...
Texas always seems to struggle with QBs that can run (see Jerrod Johnson). On the other hand, we generally do pretty well at slowing down offenses based on a traditional running back. As for the Texas offense, I would expect them to struggle some against either Alabama or Florida. Personally, I expect the MNC to be a defensive struggle with a couple of TOs deciding the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if 20-25 points takes it.
one thing we don't do
is turn the ball over. we have 20 INT’s and have only given up 4 and have only fumbled 6 times..So thats only 10 TO’s all year…
So unless McElroy takes about 10 steps back, don’t expect a lot of TO’s.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
good matchup for Texas
Bama is a much more winnable matchup for Texas than Florida would have been. It would be for anyone! Tebow vs. McElroy, are you kidding? Texas defense thrives on pressuring the QB based on speed off the edge, scheme, and coverage sacks. Any defense’s achilles’ heel is running QBs. Texas’ rushing D is also tops in the country. Don’t gimme that “SEC is best!” crap, either. Texas D is solid against rushing teams. The ONE problem they had all year was against a running QB. Bama’s RBs will run run run, because that’s what they do, but their QB is not a danger to beat UTs all-american safeties over the top or to scramble much at all. Bama’s D will NOT pressure the McCoy like ou or NU does. Colt will be able to run around, make plays, and pull the “W” outta his arse – like he ALWAYS does. McElroy, Jones, Ingram, & Richardson do that on a normal basis? No.
TCU vs ALABAMA
I should have been TCU that is what everyone is saying outside of Austin! They are more complete than you guys are.
Yeah, those dominating wins over
nonbcs schools prove, without a doubt, that TCU is superior. like most horn fans i respect TCU and i would love to see them play florida to see how good they are. utah had a nice win last year over bama. but beating a bunch of nonbcs schools and a couple of average bcs teams doesnt prove shit.
by Orangetower87 on Dec 8, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like your justification...
Using more than just the Nebraska game as evidence please.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
If that is true
then why did every poll in the land rank Texas above TCU? I don’t think you’re listening to the right people.
But yeah we’ll play that little game. We don’t stand a chance.
You won’t mind if we show up anyway :)
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Dec 8, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone who voted TCU #4?
Cincy is ranked higher than TCU, and deservedly so since they have actually beaten real teams.
TCU? ...lol
TCU would loose pretty bad to Texas, Alabama and Florida. Yeah, they’ve looked good against weaker opponents in their own division. There should be a division 1a and a division 1b. Non BCS conference teams belong to 1b and Big 12, SEC, and the other BCS conferences should be in 1a. Give any good BCS school 1 month to prepare for TCU inatead of 1 week and the more talented teams will show why TCU and Boise State don’t belong in the picture.
Why we wanted the elephants over the gators...
Good entertaining read by Scipio Tex.
http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/12/03/roll-tide-roll/
Gonna be a good game.
I've been thinking about that...
But they might have just caught Texas Tech’s “Cotton Bowl” syndrome of not showing up because they were disappointed at the bowl assignment. A classic collegiate move. We almost did the same thing against Ohio State that year.
Defensively, I'll be happy to make McElroy win the game for the Tide
Make Bama one-dimensional and take them out of their comfort zone. Yes, they also have guys that can make plays through the air, but I think this game gets away from Texas if Ingram and Richardson are allowed to run wild. Last year, Beanie Wells torched us for 106yds (most came in the 1st half) on 16 car before missing most of the 2nd half with a concussion.
Stopping Ingram and Richardson is easily priority number one. I can accept leaving our secondary on an island to slow down the Bama passing attack. If they beat us that way, kudos to them, but they can’t be allowed to dominate the game by running the ball. Texas then has their number of snaps limited and that’s precisely what we don’t want. Texas always wants a fast tempo and lots of snaps.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
You make an over looked point.
McElroy has gotten better as the season goes on but is still not a top tier QB and he has to lead the team. The Texas Defense has to disrupt his play.
Very important! inside the 20 Alabama only scored TD’s on 45% of their possessions. Lots and lots of short field goals. Alabama may have more drives into the red zone but one thing Texas has always been good at is stopping the offense near the goal line.
McCoy had 15 plays for sacks or loses with the ball when he couldn’t make find a receiver against NU. That is got to be his worse performance in 4 years. Texas could never put together drives with that much disruption. His worse game as far as production and the Horns still won. That will not be that bad against Alabama.
Here is what I expect Alabama 5-7 scoring drives. The best they do 4 TD’s and 3 field goals max 37 points. realistically 3 TD’s and 3 field goals 28 points on the low side, 2 TD’s and 3 field goals, 23 points
Texas will have 4-6 scoring drives, the best is 5 TD’s and 1 field goal 38 points, realistically 5 drives, 4 TD’s and 1 field goal. 31
On the low side 4 drives, 3 TDs and 1 field goal. 24 points.
That difference in scoring field goals and TD’s from the red zone will be enough so that Texas wins.
Did YUMC..
just compare the Aggies to 13-0 Alabama?
Man, some fans are really delusional.
that just happened......
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Even more food for thought...
Texas Opponent most like Bama (scoring offense): OU 16-13
Texas Opponent most like Bama (rushing offense): OSU 41-14
Texas Opponent most like Bama (passing offense): OSU 41-14
Texas Opponent most like Bama (total offernse): Mizzou 41-7
Texas Opponent most like Bama (scoring defense): NU 13-12
Texas Opponent most like Bama (rushing defense): UCF 35-3
Texas Opponent most like Bama (passing defense): OU 16-13
Texas Opponent most like Bama (total defense): OU 16-13
Going purely by these numbers, I like UT to win 20-12.
Bama Opponent most like Texas (scoring offense): Arkansas 35-7
Bama Opponent most like Texas (rushing offense): Tennessee 12-10
Bama Opponent most like Texas (passing offense): Arkansas 35-7
Bama Opponent most like Texas (total offense): Auburn 26-21
Bama Opponent most like Texas (scoring defense): LSU 24.15
Bama Opponent most like Texas (rushing defense): Florida 32-13
Bama Opponent most like Texas (passing defense): Kentucky 38-20
Bama Opponent most like Texas (total defense): Florida 32-13
Going purely by these numbers, it’s Alabama 32-11.
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Isn't math fun?
Positives: Both teams held the highest scoring offense they faced to a single touchdown. UT held a much better rushing team (OSU #24 vs. Tenn #43) to fewer yards. UT held OSU, whose passing game is similar to Bama’s, to less than 200 yards, 1 touchdown, and 4 interceptions. UT held the best total offense team it faced to 7 points, on the road, while Bama let Auburn score 21 points. UT held OU, whose scoring offense is similar to Bama’s, to 13 points. UT held Mizzou, whose total offense is similar to Bama’s, to 7 points in their stadium.
Really? Does my signature suck?
I think the upshot of all of this is...
…does our offense show up with a coherent game plan, or not? Clearly, our defense can take care of ’Bama’s offense. While we haven’t faced quite as good a rushing attack as what they’re going to bring to Pasadena, all but 3 of our opponents had a better passing game than ’Bama’s, and fully half of our opponents had better overall offenses. In case you forgot, we won all of those games.
When we’re on offense, though, thing’s are a bit different. While we’re all over the map on defense – #1 in rushing, #3 in total, #7 in scoring, and #23 in passing – Bama is #2 in all but passing, where they plummet all the way to…#7. If Greg Davis rolls out the same old tired game plan he used for OU and NU, we’re screwed. Bama may very well intercept the wide receiver screen we inevitably throw on the first play from scrimmage and run it back for a touchdown, then play field position all day and beat us 7-0. (Unless GD calls that same play several more times just to prove we can almost run it as well as Texas Tech, and Bama intercepts it a few more times to prove that no matter how well we almost run it, the play still sucks the dead ass of a roadkill armadillo.)
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Clearly, our defense can take care of ’Bama’s offense.
What makes you say that? UF had the #1 defense in the country and they were dominated by our offense. A&M put up a lot of points on your d. 39 to be exact. Bama only gave up more than 14 points in a game 4 times. Texas on the other gave up 14 points 7 times.
Since you guys like math around here, lets look at the games against ranked teams for both teams..
(these #’s are based on the team ranking on the date game was played)
TEXAS: Played 3 ranked teams: Oklahoma , Okie State, Nebraska
Total points scored: 70
Average score: 23.3
Points scored by opp: 39
Average points given up: 13
ALABAMA: Played 5 ranked teams: Va Tech, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Florida.
Total points scored: 132
Average score: 26.4
Points scored by opp: 61
Average points given up: 12.2
Pretty close huh..
Now lets look at the date from the game against unranked opponents:
TEXAS: played 10 unranked teams
Total points scored: 459
Average score: 45.9
Points scored by opp: 158
Average points given up: 15.8
ALABAMA: played 8 unranked teams.
Total points scored: 280
Average score: 35
Points scored by opp: 82
Average points given up: 10.25
So what does this tell us?
Against ranked teams, Texas scored 23.3 pts/game. Against unranked teams, they scored 45.9. Wow, thats a big difference. Alabama on the other hand scored 26.4 pts/ game against ranked teams, while scoring 35 against unranked.
Now, im not using these #’s to show Alabama’s dominace. I just think they are interesting. Alabama is known to pull back the reigns once the game is in hand…Basically, we don’t run it up. What is Texas’s M.O. here?
I think the most telling stat here is that when Texas played their toughest games, they struggled. Outside of the 41 points scored against OSU, Texas only averaged 14.5 points against OU and Nebraska (arguably the best two defenses they faced). When Alabama played its toughest games, they scored just 10 fewer points than they did against unranked foes and gave up only 2 more points a game.
Im not sure this shows Alabama will roll (sorry I couldn’t pass it up) but it definitely doesn’t show that we will struggle on "O" against a good “D”.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
I saw those games against Tennessee and Auburn. You were not sticking in your 2nd and 3rd stringers. You were grinding out a win.
uhh
yeah cause it wasn’t a blow out…but if we are up more than two scores in the 4th…you’ll see a heavy dose of Trent and Ingram.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Exactly. You said the reason you didn’t beat non ranked opponents by more is because you “pull back the reigns once the game is in hand.” My point is that you don’t have as high a point differential because you don’t have those games against unranked opponents in hand (all the time).
Very true...
Against those teams, we didn’t play great on offense. But those are our two BIGGEST rivals…two teams we totally dominated the year before and two teams who had nothing to lose…
The Tennessee game came after 7 straight games, 4 in a row against SEC teams, two of which were top 20 teams (Mississippi was actually #9 at the time)..
The Auburn game is one i can’t explain. No reason to why we didn’t come out on fire. Auburn came to play…we didn’t. BUT we still won.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
defense?
Yeah..saying that your two rivals played you the hardest is so outrageous…wouldn’t you say that in your two biggest “rivalry” games, that Oklahoma and A&M gave Texas’s its most trouble?
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Oklahoma and A&M gave Texas’s its most trouble?
I’m having trouble responding – did you mean Texas’s “O” or “D”?
Anyway, I’d say we definitely had the most offensive trouble with Nebraska and OU (respectively). My point was just that you can’t necessarily throw out those data points just because they are rivals.
Just my opinion.
i guess my point...
is that you can’t compare games against UT or Auburn with games against FIU or Kentucky..All teams were unranked but the game atmosphere is different…Teams like FIU or UK don’t really believe they can win…they just hope to compete. When you play a huge rival…no matter what their ranking…They believe they CAN win.
So when you look at your big rivals, you struggled. Against A&M your D struggled, against OU and Nebraska, your O struggled….Bama’s problem was that our rivals weren’t ranked…
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
We definitely agree on that – not all unranked teams are the same. Not by a long shot.
I would actually go a step further and say that beating teams in the SEC West (minus MissSt) or Big 12 South (minus Baylor), for Bama and UT, should carry extra significance. I understand that those opponents are “unranked” but we really can’t think of them that way.
I believe that’s also why Bama and UT were selected as the 2/5 unranked teams to play in the title game, by human voters.
Good stuff.
Thanks for taking the time to research & post. A couple of things:
1. A&M has a better offense than anybody you’ve faced all year. The fact that they are unranked is due to their abortion of a defense. Our next highest point total given up was 24, to Texas Tech – also with a much better offense than anybody you’ve faced. Also, both of those are rivalry games; those two teams would’ve liked nothing better than to derail Texas.
2. Florida has the #1 ranked scoring defense. We actually played 5 teams with better rush defense and a couple of teams that were nearly as good as UF in total defense.
3. To answer your question about Texas’s MO when holding a big lead…the first team generally didn’t play the fourth quarter. I don’t have all the stats in front of me, but somebody around here did a little expose a few weeks back about the points our defense gave up during garbage time. Something to the effect of, if you take out pick-sixes, turnovers inside our own 20, and garbage-time scores allowed by the second-, third- and fourth-stringers, our defense actually only gave up something like 6.5 points per game. They’re stout, and they can handle ’Bama.
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A&M has a better offense than anybody you’ve faced all year.
I hate to point to one game, but its the only one were A&M had a similar opponent as Bama…
Arkansas 47 – A&M 19…thats a 28 point loss to a team that Bama soundly beat 35-7…
Sure they put up a lot of point during the year, but that hardly is proof that they are good…usually..when a good offense meets a good defense…the defense wins. usually.
Florida has the #1 ranked scoring defense.
They currently rank #4 behind, yes Alabama and Texas in TOTAL defense…
Teams bama played with a top 30 defense: #4 UF, #14 Va Tech, #15 South Carolina, #16 Tennessee, #24 Mississippi, # 28 LSU.
A quick glance at Texas…#7 Oklahoma and # 9 Nebraska
http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/ncaa-m-footbl-fbs-team-total-defense.html
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Knee-jerk reaction...
Ya’ll went like 8 qtr’s without an offensive TD… and our Defense will be better than those two teams… and Tennessee’s.
So my gut reaction is we’ll be fine. Especially since a 30 day lay-off tends to favor the defenses.
by Orangechipper on Dec 10, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
they were
at the time they played.. Just as we played Oklahoma when they were ranked.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 9, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
So do we give BYU credit for beating a top 5 team this year?
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
Perhaps
If you choose to count the rankings of a team at the time you beat them, then maybe so. I assume that’s where bammer’s coming from above.
But to give a straight answer, no, I don’t give credit to BYU for beating a top 5 team. Yet another problem with preseason rankings, or even those early than week 8.
by Infield Elephant on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Stats:
10/24/09 Alabama vs. Tennessee * TV Tuscaloosa, Ala. W, 12-10
Yes, 7-5 Tennessee. Yes, in Tuscaloosa. Yes, two blocked field goals to avoid defeat. And yes, part of 7 consecutive quarters of football, at home, without an offensive TD. I loves me some stats. Texas by 13+. You heard it here first.
huh...
i also watched Texas play a very bad Oklahoma team and that was a 16-13 barn burner..i also like to pull out ONE game and point to that as a barometer for judging a team..WELL DONE!
And i know you guys point to Nebraska as a big time match up…but Nebraska had a good D but an absolute TERRIBLE offense..i bet Vandy could hold them under 20..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
SEC CG
Bama played a pretty perfect game that night, odds of that happening again is tough. Good luck and see you in Pasadena! :)
I like the axiom
“figures don’t lie but liars sure can figure”. I like our chances on January 7, because the players will get to have the final word, Not the fans, not the idiotic sportswriters and not the coaches. This should be a great game between 2 schools with tremendous traditions.
Congratulations to the Longhorns for a great year, but I really believe that yall are about to run into a buzzsaw .
Yup. You can use stats to prove whatever you want, and it should be a great game.
Gotta do something for the next month, though.
My point exactly.
Remember – I put this post together to make myself feel better. Unfortunately, it didn’t really work. I never really did find that one magic stat that leaps off the page and screams “A-ha! This is it! They absolutely cannot stop [insert offensive play call here]! Watch the film – they didn’t stop it once all year! Just run that one play over and over and over, and they’re screwed!”
Instead, I found a bunch of evidence that the Bama team is every bit as good as ours in most cases, and even better than ours in a few. My only consolation is to think back and remember their games against Tennessee and Auburn, and some of what I saw from them on the field in the other games I got to watch parts of. They certainly didn’t look invincible then; but they played much, much better than we did in their conference championship game, and it struck a note of fear in me.
On the bright side: Texas hasn’t played their best game yet. If they play their best game next month, I think they win, and I’m not sure how close the final score is. If they don’t play their best game, they still have a chance, but the odds go way down.
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You can also say...
…they spend so much of their year playing SEC teams with sh-tty offense that they don’t know what to do when they face a team that can throw as well as Colt can, ala last year’s Brian Johnson-led Utah team. Good Colt, anyway. If Bad Colt is playing in the champ game, well, goodbye that theory.
In-VINCE-able.
BTW Bama Fans on the Board...
Congrats on beating Florida. The only group of fans I can’t stand more than Boomer Sooners are Gator fans. Quite possibly the most obnoxious group of douches on the net.
In-VINCE-able.
Thx
Actually most of the Gator fans on SBN are OK. Most of the douches are found on Youtube. FWIW, I have found that there is a lot lower percentage of douches per fanbase on SBN than any other site I have frequented.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Florida Fans...
Are actually some of the less obnoxious opposing fans I’ve ever encountered in person.
It all boils down to personal experience, I suppose. For instance, I’d say that the most horribly obnoxious fans I’ve ever encountered would be Ole Miss fans, but I also acknowledge that I may have just won the inbred redneck lottery that day :P
"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban
by KongAtTheGates on Dec 10, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions
Bandwagon fans are the worst
I recall LSU fans during Saban’s tenure there, were an obnoxious bunch. Now, they are much easier to get along with. They had been the laughing stock of the SEC for quite a few years, Saban arrived and the bandwagon fans crawled out of the woodwork. Same goes for some of the Ole Miss fans this year, at least early in the year. We have gained some of those bandwagon fans and they annoy me. I have a co-worker who has been an Auburn fan for the past decade I have worked with him. Over the off season, he converted to BAMA, claiming he didn’t like the way they treated Tubberville. He has been ultra annoying as a BAMA fan, wish Chizik would come take him back.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Thats pretty funny, my dad is a die hard auburn fan, he got his undergrad and his masters from there over 20 years ago. Anyone who would make that kind of switch is an idiot. I’ve withstood his fury over the hiring of our previous 2 defensive coordinators, and he told me that he would never watch a texas game again if we didn’t kick the shit out of bama in the MNC.
by dalegribble on Dec 13, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Heh
One of the guys, on a private message board I have been posting on for the past 12 years, got his undergrad at AU and his grad from AtM. He claims he is going underground on January 7th.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
err, I meant...
aTm
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
I guess it's only the ones on the 'net
That I have encountered. Never met a real one in real life.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Dec 15, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
We Don't Stand a Chance. GASP! OH NO!
So says ESPN. I guess we shouldn’t even show up, then. You know, like in 2005, when we didn’t stand a chance against against USC, which was then the greatest team in the history of time, and they even had that year’s Heisman winner playing for them. At running back, no less. Gosh, I guess Colt and company should stay home, cause those Alabama boys got us outgunned in every respect! Oh well, I guess we should show up anyway, though, if only because I hear Cali is nice this time of the year.
In-VINCE-able.
Heh
Well, the scenery might be worth the trip. Honestly, this should be a good game. If you beat us, it will not be because ESPN filled our guys heads full of fluff. Saban will have our guys ready and if you win, it will be because you had the better team that day. I say “that day” because you can never really say one way or the other which team is the better overall when it is a one time event, especially when the ball is oblong and takes funny bounces.
Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs
Amen... you got that right
Saban will have his boys ready to play and Mack will have his boys ready to play. Whoever is the best team in the stadium that night gets the crystal football. Hope it’s us, and if we can play a complete game on offense and defense I think we can win. You guys will win if you play like you did against Florida and we don’t play a complete game..
Play like you mean it...
1st Qtr
I think we’ll know how the game will play out after one possession by each team. If Texas comes out slow we usually stay slow. If the defense gives up a big play it’ll be a long day. The conjecture about who will win is useless lets decide on qualifications to call a previous season a national championship.
Andre Ware Says Alabama is Different From USC in 2005
…because Alabama can throw and run the ball. Because, you know, according to Andre Ware, USC from 2005 couldn’t throw and run the ball, so, uh, that’s the difference. Wait, what? Didn’t USC have a Heisman winning QB and a Heisman winning RB? Does that qualify as being able to throw and run? Um. We all know that Andre Ware was a bust as an athlete, but who would have thunk he would be equally moronic as an analyst. This is what ESPN pays him for. To make comparisons that doesn’t exist. Dear God, man. How do I get a job like that?
In-VINCE-able.
be a system QB,
win a heisman, and then wait a few years, and they’ll give you a call.
by vy til i die on Dec 18, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions

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