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Bevo's Daily Roundup - December 10, 2009

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"It was close, you've got to admit that," McCoy said. "It was
probably closer than you wanted it to be, but understanding everything
that goes on I was not worried about it.

"I walked off to the side and told Coach (Mack) Brown, I said,
'I bet we have 2 seconds left.' He said, 'Yeah, you're probably right.'
But he was real nervous at the time."

Mack Brown got a raise.

University of Texas football coach Mack Brown will be paid $5 million a year, plus annual increases of $100,000, through 2016, when his contract ends, the school’s governing board decided today.

The compensation, recommended by UT President William Powers Jr. and men’s athletic director DeLoss Dodds, amounts to a $2 million raise for Brown. He already was set to earn $3 million this season and then collect a one-time $2 million "service payment" next February. Today, the regents decided to make that $2 million payment a part of Brown’s annual compensation package.

For this season, Brown is also set to earn $250,000 for advancing to the national championship. Winning the national championship would add $450,000 to his bank account.

UT football is a cash cow.

If the BCS awarded a championship for making money from football, the University of Texas would win in a walk.

"We used to be No. 2 behind Ohio State. Now we've jumped out to a pretty good lead," said Ed Goble, UT's associate athletic director for business.

According to data the schools filed with the federal government, the top five money makers in college football also included Southeastern Conference powers Florida, Georgia and Alabama, which will face Texas on Jan. 7 in the BCS national title game.

Colt McCoy is still being followed.

In Texas quarterback Colt McCoy's nightmares, Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is surely running him down. The two will meet again on Saturday, but McCoy is relieved that this time Suh will be wearing a suit.

"Funny story: I graduated on Saturday but I didn't get to walk. Somebody asked me if I graduated and I said 'yes.' And they said, 'But you played, you didn't get to walk.' And I said, 'You're right, I ran. I ran all over the place.'"

McCoy is having fun playing and we can all thank Roger Staubach.

Roger Staubach was a guy who helped me through that. He was one of the first people to call me and say, "Hey, look, you have to have some fun. You have to enjoy what you're doing. You have a huge passion for playing the game." He was right. I enjoy it. I love it. And that part of the game wasn't there for me. I just wasn't seeing through that. But to have a guy like him step in and encourage me, it really hit home and allowed me to dig myself out of the hole that I was in and really have the best season I've ever had.

From The Heisman Pundit:

1. M. Ingram--46 (4)
2. T. Gerhart--43 (2)
3. C. McCoy--36 (1)
N. Suh--36 (4)
5. K. Moore--11 (1)

Kirk Bohls did not vote for Colt McCoy.

Thank you, Barry.

The rationale of Husker fans and Texas haters is that the replay review rules don’t specifically allow officials to check the clock in game-ending situations. That’s true. But that’s not the rule that allowed the second to be placed back on the scoreboard.

A college football official who knows the game and knows the rules and follows officiating very closely, but who was not involved in Nebraska-Texas, told me that everything was above board. And you can find the support in the NCAA football rulebook. Rule 12, Section 3, Article 6.

It’s a relatively new rule, added just a year or two ago. Egregious timing errors can be corrected by officials, even without replay help or even with replay help in which there is no other reason to go to replay.

Fan House writer Clay Travis ripped Mack Brown for his handling of the last few seconds of the Nebraska game. He also thinks the Horns will get run down by Alabama.

 Let's begin with a clear thesis: Running a play with a running clock as the game nears the end is a recipe for disaster. No team worth it's salt should ever do this when they've got a timeout left. At the end of this game, Texas could have called a timeout with 29 seconds left and set up a final offensive play. Get a first down, and you spike the football. Fail to get a first down and you still have plenty of time to run your field goal team onto the field after gathering them near you during the preceding timeout. There would have been plenty of time to make this happen.

It's what an intelligent coach who manages his team well would have done.

This is the talented writer that asked Tim Tebow if he was a virgin. Yes, he is a credible journalist.

 

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Mike Leach has some thoughts on clock management. And they make sense.

"It's not an exact science," Mike Leach said by telephone Tuesday. "And it's not easy.

"You've got split seconds to make monumental decisions."

Kansas AD Lew Perkins did it his way.

Enough on how Perkins has done what he has done. Now look at what he has done. He has maneuvered himself into a position where he has a $2.3 million annual salary, probably more, and vastly improved facilities with which to shop for a new football coach. Perkins does his best work in the shadows, and that’s where football coaches are hired. His two football hires at UConn, Skip Holtz (now at East Carolina) and Randy Edsall, are highly regarded coaches who could be on the verge of upward moves.

Bottom line, ask yourself this question: If you had an annual salary of greater than $2 million and a new facility to offer a coach, would Mangino be on your short list? If the answer is no and you don’t mind the athletic department paying two football coaches, you have to like what Perkins has done, even if you don’t care for how he has done it.

Convenient. Turner Gill's daughter recently started working for the KU athletic department.

Jordan Gill, the daughter of Kansas University football coaching candidate Turner Gill, recently began working for the KU athletics department's Williams Fund, the Journal-World learned Tuesday.

Gill, a sophomore at KU, began the job — the duties of which include handling ticket sales for KU Athletics — this semester.

Bring On The Cats doesn't have any sympathy for Nebraska and Bo Pelini.

Nebraska wants you to believe it's the victim in all of this.  They want you to believe they got jobbed by the monied elite in Austin, who have pretty much gotten their way with everything since 1995.  They want you to believe that, but they leave out the most important fact: they themselves are also the monied elite.  While they will complain to no end about Texas' humongous budget and ridiculous facilities and air of entitlement, they'll hope everyone overlooks the fact that they have a budget nearly as obscene, facilities nearly as sparkling, and a fanbase that feels at least as entitled to success as Texas does.  This isn't the Yankees and the Royals.  This is the Yankees and the Red Sox.

Nebraska, including Osborne and Harvey Perlman, will play the role of the downtrodden for the unexamining eye of the national punditry, but we know better.  We know that if Nebraska ever really wanted to do something about "the system," it would add its vote to the other eight schools who want equal revenue sharing in the conference to take money away from those greedy bastards in Austin.  But Nebraska won't do so, and in fact has publicly declared that it won't do so, because it benefits from the same system it now deplores.

The Aggies really need a win in Shreveport.

Texas A&M has already had a successful second season under coach Mike Sherman by making a bowl game.

A bowl victory, however, would offer some icing that's been missing for some time around these parts. A&M (6-6) hasn't won a bowl game in eight years, or since the Aggies got together with TCU in Houston in a now defunct furniture bowl in a now defunct stadium -- and before TCU was TCU.

A&M's draw since has been fairly formidable: Tennessee, California and Penn State, leading to 0-3 since the '01 TCU victory, and the Aggies skipped the postseason all together following the 2002, '03, '05 and '08 seasons.

That's why a victory over Georgia on Dec. 28 in the Independence Bowl would do wonders for a program that could use a few good tidings in the offseason.

 

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A House panel considers breaking up the BCS monopoly a college football playoff.

A top official of the Bowl Championship Series says there are more important things for Congress to worry about than pressing for a playoff system for college football.

But lawmakers were taking a crack at it anyway Wednesday. A House panel was to consider a proposal to ban the promotion of a postseason NCAA Division I football game as a national championship unless it's the outcome of a playoff.

"With everything going on in the country, I can't believe that Congress is wasting time and spending taxpayers' money on football," Bill Hancock, the BCS executive director, said in a phone interview. "We feel strongly that managing of college sports is best left to the people in higher education."

The Waldorf-Astoria is place to be in New York City.

For college football fans, coaches, players and former players, the lobby of the Waldorf is the nexus of their universe this week. They will attend awards banquets, clandestine meetings and alumni functions in the lead-up to Saturday night’s announcement of the Heisman Trophy winner at the Nokia Theater.

"This is one of my two favorite days of the year," said Gene DeFilippo, the Boston College athletic director. "It’s a who’s who of college football, both past and present."

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Queue the Bohls hatred.

I, for one, appreciate that the Statesman’s chief sportswriter is willing to hold Colt’s and Mack’s feet to the fire.

by Loomby on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

Include me in that

Funny how people fail to point out that 3 of the 4 Austin voters chose to place their vote with Suh. It was NOT just Kirk Bohls. Everyone knows Suzanne bows at the alter and licks the feet at Belmont. There was no question about her vote.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 9, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Bohls also picked Bush over Young

Apparently, Bohls was enamored with Bush’s meaningless all-purpose yards and clutch performance against Fresno St. Bush may have been the 2nd best running back on USC and was assuredly not the MVP of his team (Leinart). Bohls likes to be contrarian.

by Eskimohorn on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Clock management

The clock management was terrible. Absolutely no two ways about it, regardless of whether Clay Travis is a jackass. Split blame b/w coaches & colt

by rchorns on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

Absolutely

I remember thinking how dumb everyone out there was for not either snapping sooner or, if the intent was to burn clock and align to the center, to just run a dive to the middle and call timeout with 0:02 left.

Was anyone else thinking that?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I was screaming

“WTF are they running a pass play???” Horrendous clock management. Major heart attack – I thought an alien was about to burst through my chest.

by UT92 on Dec 9, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

Its not like Nebraska had a chance at sacking McCoy – the line had held up all night. (actually i just kept saying “oh my god” over and over until the kick was made)

by Orangetower87 on Dec 10, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

My kids were in the room

they learned a bunch of new words that night. Oh well, better from me than some punks in the schoolyard.

by UT92 on Dec 10, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you notice.....

…. the confusion before the snap? No way a call came down from the booth. A total cluster.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Once again, DeLoss is guilty...

…. of bidding against ourselves. Mack Brown isn’t going anywhere. Nobody is calling with better offers. There are plenty of places where that $2million could have been better spent. I’ll start with staff salaries.

When TCU showed concern over Patterson being a potential candidate at Notre Dame, he accepted a 2-year extension, but required the additional dollars be spent on his coaching staff.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 9, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

Spend some dough on OL coaching, for example.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

+1 on O-line

I’ve been wondering for a couple years if McWhorter is untouchable

by rchorns on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Brown’s raise is probably more of a thank you than anything else. Other schools aren’t calling because they know Brown isn’t leaving. Besides, any other job would be a lateral move (the few programs that match our own in money and prestige), if not a step down.

Clay Travis is an ass. I enjoyed his book about traveling to SEC games, but after his asinine question, I no longer consider him credible. There are some lines you just don’t cross.

by dimecoverage on Dec 9, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Makes it clear

that Mack is leaving after 2012 or something around there. They’d be giving up an extra 12 million if that weren’t the case. I’m cool with it. All he has to do is take us to one more NC game after this one. The guy does have to earn it.

by Loomby on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, this has the feel of a renegotiation. I don’t care how much you like the guy, a pure 66% raise is too much to believe at this level of football.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Dec 10, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Clay was an ass long before that.

I lived in Nashville for a while, and he does some radio work there. Arrogant is the first word that comes to mind.

by ctex80 on Dec 10, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

indeed

I currently live in Nashville and there are many other words that come to mind too. Not much to listen to on the radio here, but he manages to actually be the worst one here.
He really sucked during his 15 minute stint at Deadspin too.

by hayzer13 on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

you make a point about bidding against ourselves

I would ask why Greg Davis is the highest paid offensive coordinator in the country when there is zero demand for services, for example.

But there’s no connection between this raise for Mack and the salaries of the other members of our staff. We could go as high as we needed to for our assistants. The football program is loaded.

Our biggest issue with our staff isn’t a lack of money (again, Davis is the highest paid OC in the country and we could have essentially any OL coach we wanted) but Mack’s loyalty/unwillingness to make changes.

What I’d love to see when Muschamp is takes over is for Texas to really leverage their mighty financial clout. Let’s have a ridiculously expensive staff.

by bigdukesix on Dec 9, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

What I really love about this

Is that in the last 4 years UT has become the “bandwagon” school that North Carolina was in the late 90’s. Let’s use their bandwagoneer dollars to make our school better, please.

by Loomby on Dec 9, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

GD is the 8th highest paid assistant coach in the country

Well, probably 7th now that Jimbo is going to take over at Florida. Two offensive coaches are in front of him, Gray Crowton (LSU) and James Franklin (MD).

Link

by Wells on Dec 10, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

With everything else going on in the country,

The BCS has decided that there are better things to pay attention to than their effed up money-grubbing system.

by Loomby on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

ET

I know I’d take it.

by atxdman on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

That Bring On the Cats thread has some interesting comments from Nebraska fans

saying how if the teams were reversed they wouldn’t have added the second for Nebraska, or that if the tiebreaker had been between Texas and Nebraska (instead of Oklahoma) last year they would’ve changed the tiebreaker rules to get Texas in. I certainly understand that the Big XII probably takes care of its most profitable commodities, but the conspiratorial theories are just crazy.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Dec 9, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

Especially considering

Nebraska had 2 seconds added to the clock so they could attempt a field goal against FSU in a national championship game.

by Horncasting on Dec 10, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

No Respect for a Heisman Process

Where Ingram struggles against Auburn and falls out of contention, then is the frontrunner after a decent game against Florida. Conversely, Colt has to run for his life so he goes from favorite to not even on the local rag’s ballot. How fickle.

For me, the guy is the winningnest QB of all time, and the most accurate QB of all time. Undefeated this season and the most accurate this season. If that isn’t enough – screw em all.

by realmccoy on Dec 9, 2009 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

Colt's Accomplishments "This Season"

1. Undefeated senior season
2. Highest Completion Percentage as QB
3. Highest Rushing QB in one game
4. Broke all time wins record THIS YEAR
5. Weekly off field community service
6. Never missed an interview or press conference
7. Beat OU again

by orangetower on Dec 10, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

You forgot one....

8. The Mustache!

I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.

by 16thLonghorn on Dec 10, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Colt no longer ......

….. has the highest completion percentage. Case Keenum and Dan LeFavour both have a higher completion percentage. Still very, very good.

The all-time record for career wins is most definitely a career statistic. It is not a “this year” stat.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 10, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Then how the hell did Ron Dayne win the award?

The Heisman is mostly BS which in part is caused by the fact that it has no specific criteria for its selection. Some will vote guys a ‘lifetime achievement’ award, which is pretty much why Ron Dayne won it. Most only look at successful offensive players, even though the award says nothing about it being only for an offensive player. Several times it has been rewarded as a ‘make up’ call for having overlooked a player the year before (I think this was how Herschel Walker won). I have to say I don’t think Colt has been phenomenal this year, but I wouldn’t have a problem with him winning it as for his career achievements and as a make-up for giving it to Bradford last year.

by Rickyspub on Dec 10, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't Ron Dayne....

…. rush for 1,834 yards his Heisman season? He scored 19 TDs and averaged 203.5 yards over the final 4 games of the season.

How many FBS RBs accomplished that this season? As in zero.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 10, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Ron Dayne definitly deserved it, although looking back now it seems as if he definitly was more of a guy who benefited from their offensive line and scheme.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 10, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

The heisman is a team award

when was the last time a great individual was awarded this trophy but just happened to be surrounded by mediocre players? No really, I want to know.

by UT92 on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right...

plus it’s really more of a “who is the best skills position” player?

The only way a DB ever gets it is if they double as a kick returner or play a slash wr position as well.

Suh is the best player in the country IMO. I’ve never seen one man cause that much destruction.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Dec 10, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Color me wrong then

I guess it goes to the best team, unless Jesus signed up for your squad, then it just goes to him. Hey, why take a chance at eternal damnation?

by UT92 on Dec 10, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ricky ran for 2300+ and 29 TDs the year before...

I think Dayne was chosen more for what he did over his career than for what he did in 1999. Gerhart is within 100 yards of Dayne and has 26 TDs, so he isn’t that far off. Neither Gerhart nor Ingram has impressed me that much and I wouldn’t vote for them. I think Suh should win it if Colt doesn’t. Not sure who ‘deserves’ it, especially considering some of the previous travesties.

1999 didn’t offer up a lot of competition for Dayne from your traditional power schools (Joe Hamilton, Michael Vick, and Drew Brees were probably more impressive but GT, VT, and Purdue just didn’t carry enough clout to push those guys to the top.). In some ways this year is a lot like 1999. There isn’t any runaway choices and the guys who put up the best numbers come from programs that are in weaker conferences, which means voters might decide to make it a career award this year.

by Rickyspub on Dec 10, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Dayne won it

in part b/c Peter Warrick’s taste for discount shopping cost him two games

by Beergut on Dec 10, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably...

though if Vick were FSU’s QB rather than VT’s he probably would have won going away…

by Rickyspub on Dec 11, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

As a freshman?

I don’t friggin’ think so………

There wasn’t anyone more deserving that particular season.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 11, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Cedric Benson

1,867 yards on 326 carries for a 5.6 average and 19 touchdowns, plus 12 catches for 179 yards and that got him 6th in the Heisman vote. Go Figure.
source

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Dec 10, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Darren McFadden took him out of the running.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Dec 11, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe true that is supposed to be for this season only....

but this year it has turned into an award for ONE WEEK only.

There is no clear-cut frontrunner this year, and historically when that has happened the voters have take into account career achievements.

by Horncasting on Dec 10, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Besides, it's not true...it's highly subjective (and political and, IMO, lost its integrity and prestige)

From the website mission statement:

“The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.”

Of course, in recent history it has been dumbed down to be an award for the most hyped player (usually chosen by the school) on a top team. Skill position guys behind outstanding O-lines and, especially, sophmore athletes wouldn’t seem to have the opportunity to really demonstrate these Heisman traits in one year. “Great ability” is what the individual position awards are for.

by utexas87 on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure it actually specifies the "THIS season only" part...

I think it’s like most of how college football disfuntionally works… no actual criteria. Vote how you feel, and make up rules to justify it.

by Pflash on Dec 10, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Less QQ more pew pew

Re: the revenue sharing.
This is ridiculous. From an article on ESPN from a while ago:

Estimates are that the school with the most television exposure earned about $2 million more than the bottom school on the conference’s list.
$2 million is why Texas is in the national championship and KSU missed a bowl game? I bet you’re still paying Ron Prince more than that.

Re: Nebraska claiming that the Big 12 wanted more money and snubbed them
Patently false and even nonsensical. The Big 12 would have made more money if Nebraska had lost, since NU and UT would both be in the BCS.

by Horn Brain on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

I've been too busy to follow it, but I find this argument delicious

IMO, the only thing more enjoyable than UT beating another team, is UT beating them in such a way that the opposing fans and coaches begin to question the very fabric of reality (as Texas fans did in the Mackovic Era). UT did it to A&M for a hundred years and look at what they’ve become. OSU fans start the season wondering how they’ll manage to lose to Texas. Texas Tech fans believe they are at the center of a vast burnt orange conspiracy orchestrated by the trilateral commission, the Illuminati and Bill Little. And KSU fans will never forgive us for partial qualifiers even if Ron Prince was Mack Brown’s kryptonite. These are the things irrational hatred is made of. It’s wonderful.

After Jamaal Charles in 2007 and now this…

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

We actually don't care that much...

…about partial qualifiers at K-State. It was Nebraska that fought tooth-and-nail over partial qualifiers. Now, you take away our junior college pipeline, and maybe we’ll have an issue.

I’m much more concerned about equal revenue sharing, and to Horn Brain, I’m sure $2 million doesn’t seem like much to Texas (budget ~$100 million), but it’d be huge for the smaller revenue schools in the conference (budgets ~$30-40 million). I’ve never argued that $2 million per year is all that’s standing in the way or K-State or Iowa State and going to a national title game, that would be patently absurd. But $2 million per year would go a long way toward helping the lower-income schools improve facilities and hire better coaches.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Dec 10, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree to an extent

I think some measure of revenue sharing would do the conference a lot of good. Texas would suffer the most in terms of what schools would pay into the distribution, but I think it’d be worth it in order to make the conference stronger. I think the biggest way to accomplish this would be to fire effing Beebe and get someone who can put together a real football media contract.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

There already is revenue sharing

All tv money and bowl money for the conference is split up. Imagine if each team got allocated $ based on tv appearances or which bowl it went to.

by Horncasting on Dec 10, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not true

The bowl money is split, but the TV money is given based on how much each school is on TV.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 10, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

This...

I agree with you on all counts boh. I would favor a revenue sharing plan if the conference could actually show it has the ability to be more than just Texas and the 11 dwarves when it comes to the media contract.

I just don’t see the conference being able to get a real media contract. Most of the conference resides in a demographic deadzone and no amount of increased parity is going to fix that fact.

by Rickyspub on Dec 10, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Aren't AL, MS, LA, SC, TN, and KY demographic dead zones?

I mean, basically it’s just Florida in the SEC, right? I’m actually asking in all seriousness, not for purposes of rhetoric.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

None of the cities are that big in the SEC

but there are more people and they care more about college football (and thus watch more college football).

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 10, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

For simplicity's sake, I used an electoral map to calculate relative pop.

Removing senate-based EVs (2 per state), I’m coming up with 75 for the SEC, 65 for the Big 12. That’s a significant difference, but is it so significant that we’re often only able to see a lot of the games on FSN Redstate?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Here are some more numbers...

I checked out the numbers and here are population totals for the states with teams in each conference. I have also included the size of the largest state in each conference.

Big 12 46 million (Texas 24 million)
Pac 10 55 million (California 38 million)
SEC 55 million (Florida 18 million)
ACC 61 million (Florida 18 million)
Big 10 67 million (Illinois 13 million)
Big East 79 million (NY 19 million)

The Big 12 lags well behind the other conferences in total population. The Big 12 and Pac 10 are hurt by the fact that one state dominates the overall population but doesn’t even provide half the teams for the conference. The Big East has included teams from some of the most populous states but none of those teams are the main draw for their region, but even still the Big East is at least sitting on a potential goldmine while the Big 12 is sitting on an empty plateau.

Texas supplies 4 of the top 8 media centers (over 1 millions people) for the conference (DFW, Houston, St Louis, Denver, San Antonio, Kansas City, Austin, Ok City). In the SEC states you have Florida with 4 of the top 10 media centers (Miami, Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, Nashville, Jacksonville, Memphis, Louisville, New Orleans, Birmingham). The Big 10 has 10 big media centers that are well spread out (Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Milwaukee [I didn’t include St. Louis or Kansas City though I imagine they offer a lot of Big 10 viewers]).

I worry these numbers spell doom for the conference. Texas has little reason to share revenue when the rest of the conference doesn’t bring enough viewers to attract the sort of interest that the Big 10 and SEC get. The other BCS conferences are better situated for a media boon, which puts the Big 12 in a potentially worse position moving ahead.

by Rickyspub on Dec 11, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Texas and California

Should band together to form a super-conference

Texas, A&M, Tech, Baylor, TCU ( why not ), UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford

62 million people between the two states, and enough SoS to go around.

by notsofst on Dec 11, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

ACC and Big East are basketball country

Big 12 isn’t really ANYTHING country if not football country. What’s bigger than football in the great plains?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 12, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, Atlana

I intentionally omitted Georgia from the “dead zone” list, but forgot to mention it along with Florida as a populated state.

Do they really care more about CFB than the states of Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska do?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

"Do they really care more about CFB...?"

Holy god crap yes.

My visits to the south have provided me with at least observational evidence that this is true. The SEC games I’ve attended (many of them run-of-the-mill conference games), have been ridiculous spectacles of small-town-high-school-team-spirit on steroids. Think Friday Night Lights but with 90,000 people. Texas doesn’t feel that way. UT is big, but almost in an NFL sense at this point, and the Baylors and Techs and Houstons don’t compare. In the South there are pom poms in the stands, bumper stickers on seemingly every car, and tailgating everywhere, not just at the bigger schools.

One anecdote: I went to a Tennessee game earlier this season, and afterward, I was driving across the state and counted something like 13 college games on the radio. Seriously, nearly every station on the AM band had a game, and I mean Purdue, Northern Illinois, Oregon… not just SEC teams. By contrast, on occasions I’ve been driving through Texas on a football Saturday, I’ve grimaced that all I could find was Cowboy talk radio.

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 10, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I was driving from Alabama into Atlanta the Friday before last year’s SEC title game with Florida and Bama. There is no way to describe the scene- the traffic, chaos, very manifestation of gator, elephant, black/white check on cars, clothing etc. I stopped in Atlanta to get out of the traffic and people from both fan bases were everywhere. This was Friday and it wasn’t even close to the stadium. They invaded the place. I should have taken pics.

I did run into some Georgia fans who, when they saw my TX plates, asked if I knew what time it was in Texas.

by dimecoverage on Dec 10, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The correct answer:

:_, and OU still sucks. And in a month, so will Alabama.”

by burntorangehorn on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Judge, your perspective is most humorous and learned

+1

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, didn't mean to feed the cat

These internets are confusing. I am reminded of Ron Prince high-stepping down the sideline. He did a nice job vs. Texas … but unfortunately, stunk against every one else.

Come to think of it Learned, you know, that Texas Conspiracy … the one that got me was the Illuminati, Tri-Lat and Bill Little, whew … might have figured out a way to juice up the other teams to have them defeat the Evil Prince and banish him to obscurity. Cue Vincent Price laugh!!!!

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

magic formula

win games —> get more TV exposure —> get more $$$

by SelimSivad on Dec 10, 2009 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

Or in the case of okie state

Get more $$$$ → win a few more games → get more tv exposure losing to ou and Texas

3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.

by burrito on Dec 10, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Clock coach

I would be happy to sit on the Texas bench and advise Mack Brown on effective clock management. As a bonus, I will tell him when to go for 2 point conversions.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Dec 10, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

Sorry, but I am pulling for Ingram

I agree with Bohls. Let’s face it — Colt was not as good as last year, when he really did deserve it. From a team perspective, we are better off in the MNC game is Colt does not win it, and if Ingram does. It looks like things are falling into place.

I saw that Suh got loose at the Lombardi presentation by apologizing to TCU (what about Cincinnati?) and saying he should have let Colt run around a little longer. He is very good (actually, I would have no problem with him getting the Heisman) but he needs to learn some class. He was talking junk before the game, too — i,e, ruining Texas NC “hype”. I guess the Pelinis ("Cheaters!!! AHHHHHH!!! and “You should be ashamed … !!!” don’t emphasize this?

Maybe Colt or H. Lawrence should talk about how they were trying to get that clock as close to 0:00 as possible and the kick as close to Suh’s nails as possible, also, so he could feel the breeze going by … and we are bummed we missed the inside of the left upright to clang that thing through. Don’t worry, Suh, in another 100 years you will get over this.

I mean what else could Texas do … get their back-up to kick a FG in the snow to win …

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Dec 10, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with your team aspect...

But just because Colt wasn’t as good as last year shouldn’t disqualify him. Historically speaking, Ingram and Gerhart have put up pedestrian numbers for a top RB. So they went from mediocre to above average and that makes them Heisman worthy? While Colt’s numbers aren’t as good as last year, he is still one of the best QBs (if not THE best) in the country that plays against reasonable competition. Keenum and Moore put up great numbers but they have done so against a level of competition isn’t an even comparison and most voters seems to have agreed. Tebow has put up even weaker numbers than the last two years.

I am ambivalent about the Heisman and am sort in your court with regards to letting Ingram have it for team motivation sake.

by Rickyspub on Dec 10, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Colt wasn't as good as he was last year

But he was so good last year that he could regress in performance from last year and still be better than anyone else this year. I don’t know whether that’s the case, but there’s an argument to be made that he was.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Pet Peeve

Love the daily dime, but I have one pet peeve with it. I always click the header image and it just links to the image itself. Is it possible to make the image not ink to anything or have it link the the “continue reading this post”?

Just a minor thing.

by JohnsonUT on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

Bit of News about the Congressional BCS Meddling ...

It is Rep. Joe Barton, who is stirring all this up…

Barton claims to be a a fan of limited govt. … Oh, really? He is from the 6th Congressional District, BTW, which cuts through CenTex to … south DFW. He has a home in Arlington, down the road from TCU.

And … his undergrad is from … drumroll, please … Texas A&M.

I am sure that Joe was incensed last season when the BCS picked OU over Texas, though we won by 10 on a neutral field.

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Dec 10, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions  

Barton's in Tarrant County

Which is TCU territory. He is mostly covered in the Star Telegram, thus has to play to the TCU fans. Of course his legislation is worhtless fluff. He is trying to make it illegal to call any NCAA event a “Championship” unless it is the direct result of a “playoff”. If it passes, the BCS just needs to define the BCS Selection process as the playoff seeding, and the BCS Championship game as the 1 game playoff for the BCS National Championship…

by BigDSteve on Dec 10, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been pushing this legisation for years . . .

. . . long before TCU was a legitimate contender for the BCS Championship Game.

by Hopkins Horn on Dec 10, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Bit of News about the Congressional BCS Meddling … It is Rep. Joe Barton, who is stirring all this up…
Barton claims to be a a fan of limited govt.

Funny, that.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

McCoy, Tebow, Ingram

All play for teams with elite defenses. How many times have we seen our defense bail out the offense minus the A&M game? When your team has at least a few of these types of games, it’s hard to say any offensive player on the team deserves the Heisman.

Has the Nebraska offense ever bailed out Suh and Nebraska? Probably never. Stanford’s defense is well… not elite. Gerhart had to carry that team on offense for them to become bowl eligible.

I’ve always thought the Heisman should be a combination of most valuable and most outstanding player. That’s why I thought Colt was robbed last year. He was clearly more valuable than Tebow or Bradford. Had to do more with less talent around him. This year, Gerhart and Suh fit that bill more than the other candidates IMO.

by goingforthecorner on Dec 10, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

But McCoy and Ingram still didn't lose...

Suh’s defense got gashed by Tech. Gerhart ran for 82 yards in a 24-17 loss to Wake Forest. They might not have had the talent on the other side of the ball to win those games, but Tech won because they could score on NU’s defense and Suh and Wake won because they could stop Gerhart. Neither OU nor NU could stop Colt enough to win the game. I’ll agree the Heisman is about more than wins and losses, but neither Suh nor Gerhart had historically transcendent seasons at their positions, so I don’t think they ‘deserve’ the award anymore than Colt or Ingram who maximized their performances, even the bad ones, into a perfect record. If Suh has almost set the sack record or TFL record or Gerhart had run for well over 2000 yards I would be more fully in their court.

I think you make a compelling case for Suh and Gerhart as MVP but the Heisman isn’t exactly that sort of award. Even then I would argue that Texas isn’t perfect without Colt running the show. Richardson’s performance for Bama shows that perhaps Ingram was replaceable, but I don’t think Garrett gets through the slate undefeated…in fact I don’t think Keenum, Moore, or even the savior Tebow could have managed it.

I think Ingram wins it because he is the offensive player who left the best taste in people’s mouths on the big stage. Suh made an impression, but I don’t think he can overcome the award’s historical bias towards the offense. Colt picked the wrong game to have one of his worst performances. If Kirk had made that touchdown catch I think he would be in better position.

by Rickyspub on Dec 10, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

For anyone who's interested

It looks as though Notre Dame has a coach at last. Cincinnati just disinvited the media from tonight’s football banquet, where Brian Kelly is expected to talk to his players about his plans.

by LonghornEm on Dec 10, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

Wow

Right before the biggest game of his career to this point.

I wonder if he’ll coach. It’d be kind of sad to see him skip his last chance at a BCS game for what could be a long, long time.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 10, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been hearing on Cincy talk radio that he probably wouldn't

I feel bad for UC – to lose him right before the BCS game in such a dream season. But as a Domer, I am stoked!!!

by LonghornEm on Dec 10, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

coach

Didn’t Urban Meyer coach Utah after accepting the florida job?

by Jason Mayer on Dec 10, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

ND's big recruiting guy/assistant coach/interim head coach just left

Announced as HC at Akron today. He was the recruiting guru at ND under Weis. I would think that ND needs Kelly there quickly to pick up recruiting right away since there isn’t a big recruiting person now with the HC and the interim HC/recruiting guy both gone.

by LonghornEm on Dec 10, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Offensive Line - next month...will it be any different?

What can we do different against Alabama’s defense…that we did not do against Nebraska…..NOT what SHOULD we do different, what CAN we do different. Is our line capable of blocking superior defensive line talent? Is it our scheme of blocking that is the weakness against attacking defenses? Is it the other team knowing our tendencies from our offensive formation that they just attack and beat us to the point.

I am looking for some positive hope that there can be some game plan adjustments…….bye the way, I think COLT should win the Heisman for the simple reason he took a beating and kept getting back up…the mark of a true Champion.

…….

Hooking em to a Another National Championship.

by HookemZ06 on Dec 10, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

Bama's D is good but they don't have Suh...

I think Bama’s D is more predicated on getting pressure from the D backs and LBs rather than the front generating most of the pressure. That at least gives us a hope of picking up blitzes rather than just being outmanned instantly at the point of attack. I imagine Bama will do what most of our other opponents have and keep the safeties back, have the DL clog up the running lanes, then blitz and jump the short routes while limiting the chances for big plays. If Colt and the WR can find the same form we had last year, we could probably march up and down the field with long sustained drives. I like our chances better against Bama’s D than against Nebraska’s, but then our defense won’t have it quite as easy against Bama’s O as they did against NU’s.

by Rickyspub on Dec 11, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Brown's salary, in perspective

(1) If he is the highest paid college football coach in the country, and he is paid more than any college basketball coach, isn’t it reasonable to assume that he is the highest paid public employee in the entire United States?

(2) Brown will make $5 million next year. The combined salaries for all 50 governors is approximately $6.2 million.

by Hopkins Horn on Dec 10, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

Given that Brown has hinted, often, that he'll only be around 2 or3 years more at most,

Is it safe to say the raise was more about convincing Muschamp that he shouldn’t leave?

by Loomby on Dec 10, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Well if he's making 5 million a year...

I’d bet he sticks around until that contract runs out.

by notsofst on Dec 11, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Sooner or later he'll realize how old he is

And he’ll probably decide that his legacy’s solid, he has more money than he could ever reasonably need, and that it’s time to spoil Sally a little.

Then again, I’m pretty sure he loves coaching Texas kids, so he might enjoy that more than retirement, and a whole lot more than being AD.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 12, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

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