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Game Recap: Texas 73 Oklahoma 68

Note 1: For those perhaps disinclined to read a recap beyond the jump, the piece concludes with some thoughts and a question on where this game ranks on the all-time great hoops games during the Rick Barnes era.

Note 2: The actual "what happened" recap is normally the most insignificant section of our game reviews, but considering tonight's instant classic, the recap is provided below in full detail and, for the first time, separate from post-game analysis (which will follow in a separate post tomorrow).

TEXAS 73  OKLAHOMA 68

In the days leading up to Saturday night's game against Oklahoma, I and most Longhorns fans with whom I spoke were too nervous to assert any confidence that Texas would get the result it so badly needed. For the most part, there was an expectation that the contest would be close and, hopefully, entertaining. "Should be a fun one" was as close as most of us got to making any sort of prediction, and even that was a euphemism for "I'll be holding my breath until it's over."

The game's drama was in part a product of circumstance. The ESPN broadcasters pointed out no fewer than forty times that the #2-ranked Sooners would elevate to the nation's top spot with a win, followed by an equal number of reminders that a Texas loss would pin them down at 6-6 in Big 12 play with road games at Oklahoma State and Kansas still to play. Though the pragmatic fan will try where possible not to label as "must-win" a game against such a highly ranked, 25-1 opponent, Texas basketball fans knew that's precisely what Saturday night's game should be considered. Texas desperately needed to win.

 

Star-divide

Thus, while any Longhorn victory would have handily qualified as fun, the game as it actually unfolded... immediately assumes special import as one of the most memorable games in UT basketball history. Though Texas' first-half performance was largely successful, the standout stories centered on Sooner star Blake Griffin, who went to the bench early with two fouls and then, just before halftime, back to the bench -- not to return -- with what team trainers would determine to be a concussion.

Without Griffin for much of the first half, the Sooners trailed by five at intermission. As second half play resumed, Griffin was confirmed out for the remainder of the game, Texas promptly scored the half's first 7 points, and the typically tepid Erwin Center crowd, smelling blood, roared as it only does once or twice per season. With Dick Vitale caroling for the inevitable Jeff Capel timeout, Blake Griffin done for the night, and the Texas lead stretched to 12, there seemed at least as good a chance Texas would run away and hide as Oklahoma would be able to overcome that deficit on the road. High fives abound, and even one "Game over" comment in the game-thread gallery (immediately rebuked).

On most nights against most teams, that probably would have been game, set, and match. Assuming, of course, that the other team didn't have Willie Warren. Unfortunately, that's exactly who Oklahoma turned to absent Blake Griffin, and the supremely talented freshman guard put on as good a show as we've seen at the Erwin Center since... uh... three weeks ago when Denis Clemente dropped 44? Okay, scratch that temporal comparison. Texas fans watched in horror as Warren single-handedly hyper-launched the Sooners on a magnificent run of basketball. He hit open threes, he hit contested threes, and he hit threes that shouldn't have gone in but banked home anyway. If he didn't have a look outside, he deployed his unfair quickness dribbling the ball like he was in an And-1 Mixtape scrimmage, breaking down Texas' defense and scoring himself or, with several gorgeous passes, finding open teammates for easy buckets. When his deepest three point shot of the night -- well beyond NBA range -- banked in to tie the game at 56 with 6:47 remaining, Warren had single-handedly completed the comeback by scoring 9 straight points on consecutive three pointers.

So ridiculous was Willie Warren in those first 14 minutes of the second half that, had one only been told what he did without having seen the game, one might failrly wonder if the person recapping it was exaggerating, if not outright fictionalizing. Not only did he do it all, but less than two minutes later Warren's storyline entered the realm of a Friday Night Lights script: After Warren suffered a sudden and severe leg cramp which caused him to turn over the ball to Texas, he was due to the injury unable to run down the court to help stop the Texas fast break. But Justin Mason missed a layup, the Sooners recovered the rebound, and Austin Johnson shot the ball ahead to Warren, who hadn't moved since the injury. Barely standing, Warren caught the pass, managed to raise up for a three point jumper, and buried the shot before falling back down to the ground in pain. After trailing by a dozen points earlier in the half, Warren's three with just 5:14 left in the game gave Oklahoma a 61-56 lead.

Had the Sooners held on to win, Warren's performance would have been a top candidate to lead the SportsCenter broadcast following the game, and deservedly so. When Warren on one leg hit the last of his three pointers, Texas had been stuck on 56 points for nearly three minutes, its last score coming on an AJ Abrams three (just his second field goal of the night) that gave Texas a 56-50 lead. Oklahoma's 11-0 run placing the Longhorns' entire season on the brink, Abrams ended the drought with a jumper near the free throw line, pulling Texas within three. Following a Taylor Griffin miss on the other end, Abrams wasted no time firing off a three pointer, which he again buried, tying the game on his eighth straight point scored for the 'Horns.

The tie wouldn't last long, as the Sooners answered Abrams' three with a bucket and foul on the other end, putting the 'Horns right back in a three point hole. Though Balbay brought the ball up past midcourt, a determined Abrams immediately swung by to retrieve it and darted around an Atchley screen to find enough room to squeeze off one more jumper. Good again. 10 straight points for Abrams, and Texas was down only 1.

What happened next few Longhorns basketball fans will forget anytime soon. Following an Oklahoma turnover, Abrams once again assumed command of the ball at midcourt, this time dribbling through most of the remaining shot clock before attempting yet another three, this one deeper and more difficult than any of the rest. Swish again. AJ Abrams' 13th straight point but Texas up by 2, a lead the Sooners would half making one of two free throws on their ensuing possession. The ball in his hands at midcourt one more time, I was this time surprised when, with Connor Atchley running the same ball screen at the top of the key that he had been the prpevious four possessions, the Oklahoma defender went underneath Atchley, a fatal mistake that gave Abrams alll the room he needed to fire off one more three point attempt. On the mark again. With just 1:13 remaining Texas held a 69-65 thanks to 16 straight points from AJ Abrams.

Had Texas held on to win without any more dramatic plays, it still would have been remembered as an all-time great. As it was, however, there was more action in store, as though whichever basketball god was watching over this particular contest was doggedly determined to run the drama through every last available second. To that end, Oklahoma answered Abrams' three with three of their own -- a made free throw, missed free throw, offensive rebound, and putback. Texas' four-point lead had been trimmed again to one. Taking the ball back with 42 seconds, Texas again put the ball in Abrams' hands. After dribbling the clock down under 20 seconds, Abrams launched another three point shot, but he was both deep beyond the line and awkardly off-balance. The shot missed badly.

But before Texas fans could even groan, the miss caroming towards a pile of players, the giant paw of Dexter Pittman swept high above the crowd, grabbing the offensive rebound. The giant center looked left towards the paint, saw traffic, and then dropped stepped to the baseline, spinning himself towards the basket in one oh-so-sexy motion, Taylor Griffin caught on Dexter's hip as the big fella laid the ball in to put Texas up 71-68. The crowd erupted and then, when Oklahoma's final attempt to tie the game with a three fell short and into the hands of Texas, began to celebrate with any emotional energy they had left.

PLACING THE GAME IN RICK BARNES ERA HOOPS HISTORY

Saturday night's game demands immediate barstool exploration into its place in Texas hoops history. The standard of review is up for debate (and personal taste, really), but at least for me, I think this game can be fairly said to have been the best home game in the Rick Barnes era, surpassing TJ Ford's freshman win over Kansas, or any of the more recent games neatly highlighted in Cody's excellent piece from December 2008. There's room to disagree, but when I take into account all the factors, I'm just not sure I've seen anything quite as wild as what we saw Saturday night. Willie Warren's explosion was outrageous. And it was subsequently topped in the same half by AJ's eruption, one after another, to rescue Texas from disaster. Add in OU's #2 ranking and Texas' desperation-level in terms of needing a win and this one moves to the top of my list.

I'm not sure we've ever systematically undertaken a list of the top road games in the Rick Barnes era, but the four that immediately jump to mind, in order, are:

  1. Sweet 16 win over West Virginia on Kenton Paulino's buzzer beater
  2. Texas' 66-63 2004 Big 12 tourney win over Oklahoma, after trailing by 12 late in the game
  3. 2004 at Texas Tech, when Mouton hit a three pointer to send it to overtime at the buzzer on as beautiful an endgame play as you could hope to draw up
  4. 2004 at Providence, courtesy o f PJ Tucker's game-winning layup at the buzzer

I'm too tired to research any I'm forgetting tonight, so jump in the comments if you remember some other classics from the Barnes era. And, of course, your thoughts on where tonight's game ranks in terms of home wins.

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I thought

last season’s win against UCLA @ Pauly Pavilion (sp?) was pretty special. DJ Augustin throws up a wild shot with the clock winding down (20 seconds left maybe?) and Damion James skies in and puts it down. I think that was the game where we all knew Damion James arrived.

But that Sweet 16 game against WV gets my vote for #1 away game.

by clra2 on Feb 22, 2009 3:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

totally agree....

prolly the second best road game of the Barnes era… behind Paulino’s three vs. WV

by greenspointexas on Feb 22, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

road game

last game of the 2003 season at OU. Texas ranked #4 and OU #5. OU had a 37 game home winning streak and led by 15 points in the second half before TJ Ford engineered an unbelievable comeback to a 76-71 final, which absolutely stunned the sooners and ruined senior day for Hollis Price et al. Best road win I’ve seen in the Rick Barnes era.

by billyzane on Feb 22, 2009 3:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Hollis Price lost one home game in his career…

by 40AS on Feb 22, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great game

That I hadn’t considered. Wouldn’t argue with anyone who wanted to put that up at the top. Law’s endgame threes were just stupid.

I’ll still vote this one above it, though: While some of Texas’ buzz may have been worn off by the recent skid, the desperation factor came in. And what Warren and Abrams exchanged in one half… I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like that. Just insane.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 3:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Durant vs Law

Was that the game that had the basketball stuck on the glass with possession arrow to Texas at the end?

by UTexasCPA on Feb 22, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas vs. Texas A&M 2007 was better

Interpretations may vary. Keep in mind, a game viewed in person is much different than a game viewed on TV.

by whoopspat on Feb 22, 2009 3:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

HOWEVA

It was great to be completely incapable of hearing what the announcer was saying at the end of the game.

txtwister was great at halftime.

by whoopspat on Feb 22, 2009 4:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A certain guy.....

….named Blake Griffin did not play most of this game. Kind of taints the win a bit, don’t y’all think? A win is a win, but to rank this among the “all time greats” is a bit over the top.

by chairmanT on Feb 22, 2009 4:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

Blake had 2 pts in 11 minutes. Lets just say he would have never gotten hurt and didn’t get into foul trouble. So he would average out at what…8 points? Dex had control of this guy, Blake wasn’t going to get his chances often. Once Blake left, it opened up a new gameplan for OU, which consisted of Warren. The guy is a stud and it just goes to show that OU is not a one man show. Are you one to believe that our win over UT at the Cotton Bowl was tainted (didn’t really count anyways, but I digress) because Ryan Reynolds (loved him in Just Friends) went out with an injury?

The reason why this was one of the all time greats was because of how the game unfolded. Warren stepping up and playing out of his mind, Dogus playing like a true PG the whole game, and AJ being the real AJ. James’ very physical game of working the boards, the “concussion” and the “cramp”…all of these played into a part as if this was some storyline of one of the greatest games UT played all year.

Did we blame the TECH football game because Irby couldn’t play? No. Would it have made a difference? Probably due to the fact that Irby running seams up the middle would’ve kept those safeties from creeping up. We lost that game for a number of reasons as did Oklahoma tonite, but I can guarantee you that Tech’s win wasn’t tainted because someone was injured. And neither was the BCS Championship tainted because DeMarco couldn’t play. You play who you can. Thats why OU has other guys on scholarship. If it were a 5 on 4 game the rest of the way…then yeah. Thats tainted.

So no chairmanT, this game is not tainted whatsoever. Its a win over the number 2 team in the nation and we’re damn proud of how our boys played. Damn proud.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Feb 22, 2009 5:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's not tainted

You’ve gotta roll with what you’ve got as injuries are a part of the game.

Congrats on the NCAA Tournament hopes saving win. But do you really think Texas would have held the all-time leader in double-double’s (set this season with more double-double’s to come) to just eight points tonight had he not been injured?

All your bench Sydor are belong to us TheStarsFans

by Brandon Bibb on Feb 22, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You’re comparing Blake Griffin’s centrality to a team, to Blaine Irby? Like you just replace a guy like Griffin, like you can a TE? Even Ryan Reynolds to some extent…I mean he’s important to that defense but there are 11 guys on that field, as opposed to 5 on a basketball court. It’s an apples to oranges comparison with basketball and football, but you get my drift. I’m proud too, they played hard and inspired, but I can’t help but think it may be a different outcome with Blake playing. Safe to say, Dexter freaking Pittman wasn’t going to be shutting him down all game. All it takes is a little adjustment, maybe a halftime, and it’s a new ballgame.

by chairmanT on Feb 22, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

New ballgame?

The only reason it was a new ballgame was because Willie Warren is a true stud. Blake’s injury was unfortunate but hardly decisive. This is Sooner talk.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Decisive or not does not really matter

Griffin being out actually made the game more memorable because it added to the feeling the game was over starting the second half and the shock that came with the Willie Warren show.

by Wells on Feb 22, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you ChairmanT...

that analogy is laughable.

When the dust settles, and everyone’s brain-chemistry re-adjusts after the emotional high, this game will be remembered for Griffin’s absence. Had we lost a a major rivalry game because Kevin Durant went out in the first half, then that significant circumstance would have played a primary role in the writing and remembrance of Longhorn history.

by BrooklynHorn on Feb 22, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually made the game more interesting

In terms of drama, if Griffin had been in the game and led the comeback for the Sooners, and AJ scores 16 to finish them off, it would have been a great game, but the comeback would have been expected and the drama would have been less. With Warren leading the charge after most people had probably written the game off because of the news Griffin would not return followed by Texas’ fast start to the second half the game is taken to a much higher level of drama and therefor allow it to rank among the greats.

So, while it sucks that Griffin did not get to play much in his last trip to Austin, there is no taint on the game.

by Wells on Feb 22, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not the best home game vs. ou in my opinion

2/2/02… although wins are always much sweeter, that game was phenomenal. Mouton hit a 3 at the buzzer to send to OT. In OT, we couldn’t finish the upset vs. #6 oklahoma.
http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020202aaa.html

awesome much needed W last night. great game. hook em.

by hayzer13 on Feb 22, 2009 7:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Here is my vote

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=280420251&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Two top 7 teams, plenty of star power, eventual national championship team in the house. Close game, KU up 4 at the half….Loved that game. Wasn’t there then, but was there last night. Last night was a great atmosphere, great game, but with OU not having Griffin, it does take at least a little away from the win. Don’t get me wrong- it’s still a great win. But it would be silly for me to say that OU not having the best player in the nation didn’t affect them. We did a great job on him when he played, but no one knows how the second half plays out with him healthy. Hell, maybe Warren kills us less with Blake in there!!

by junglerules on Feb 22, 2009 8:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

I wasn’t at that game either, but I think that Kansas 07 game has been my favorite home game in Texas history outside of the A&M multi-OT game. The peanut gallery at ccmachine may do their best to say that “this victory is tainted, Griffin didn’t put in his second half of aggression, bla bla blah,” and rightfully so, but who knows if Warren would have been able to put on such a show if the potential national player of the year had been in the game.

And I know the Warren – Abrams battle was huge in the second half, but I think the multiple skirmishes in 06-07 between Durant and Law were much more heated.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."

by bendj on Feb 22, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Best Home Game?????

C’mon, 2003 TX – OU. We’d lost 8 straight to them, #1 seed and a possible Sweet 16 birth in San Antonio on the line, Both teams ranked in the top 5. Jason Klotz hits the shot that puts the game away. Fans rush the court and rightfully so. That, without question, was the best home win of the Rick Barnes era.

by 40AS on Feb 22, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hard to please?

I’m not understanding all of people saying this win is less because Blake Griffin didn’t finish the game. To me it feels like the “entitlement” card so many play against our fanbase is sounding true.
From what some of you say, we have one outside shooter who can’t shoot, we don’t have a point guard or our point guard is “eurotrash”, one of our seniors needs to be kicked off the team, our career back-up needs to start and have a green-light trigger finger, we need to sit our over achieving power forward, our coach sucks, and our fans completely suck.
This team overcame all of that and beat the actual #2 ranked team, #1 potential team as an unranked, seemingly tail spinning team and the best they can get is “tainted victory”.
I can’t change your opinions but I would hope some of you could lighten up a bit.
This was a great victory, one that could springboard this team to do something that seemed impossible just weeks ago. Sure, they may just slip back into the funk they have had in January. However, Oklahoma can’t stamp their name in our house this year and that’s always special.

-rBr-

by run Bevo run on Feb 22, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

agree with u rBr, but....

although I feel it was the best win of the year, it sure would have been sweeter had BG been in the game the whole time, with Dex/Atchley/Chapman dominating him the whole time. Instead, the headlines across the country read “Griffin out” followed by “loss to Texas” below it in small print. Its as if we are the Memphis Grizzlies and we just beat the Lakers at home without Kobe. Yes, hell ya we beat em, but come on… we will never know how the game might have turned out with BG in the whole time. Everyone else outside of Texas is looking at this win as “Oh, yall only won cause Dex bear-slapped Griffin.” Too me, I dont care much as a win is a win. However, still left wondering what could have been.

by greenspointexas on Feb 22, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to place this game...

…because it is a win we needed, moreso than just a win that was just icing on an already baked cake. In that sense, this might be the best game—in the sense of a “needed” victory—in the Rick Barnes era. An unranked and fading team knocking out the presumed #1 team in the country is pretty damn special.

However, if you want to talk about the game, crowd, etc, in an environment outside of how badly we needed the win, then I think this game ranks much lower. The UCLA game in Pauley last year might be the gold standard in that category. Even for simply home games, I think this game ranks 4th on my list from games in my six years here.

1) 2006 Double-OT game with A&M.
2) 2007 win over KU
3) 2005 win over Nova
4) Last night
5) 2004 win over OSU

by txtwstr7 on Feb 22, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that win over Nova was freakin crazy

I remember I almost threw up from all the nervousness/adrenaline/etc. coming from the last 4 min of that game

by greenspointexas on Feb 22, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A distinction can be made

I think “it was a great win” and “the game might have been different if Blake played the whole game” are mutually exclusive. I feel that it was a HUGE win because of what was on the line for Texas, because it likely helps cement a NCAA tourney berth, and it puts a serious dent in the land thieves’ attempt at grabbing a conference title and #1 seed. But, I still do think it’s silly to pretend that Griffin being out didn’t affect OU. Of course, we’ll never know if his presence affects them in a good way or bad way. But, we can’t just say “he only had two points in 11 minutes and that can be extrapolated to 8 points for the game.” That’s silly. I agree, Dex and the team did a great job in those 11 minutes, and the foul trouble was a blessing. But, if we were to do the same thing to AJ based on 11 first half minutes, would we have come up with a scenario where he torches OU in the last few minutes of the game? No way.

I hate OU as much as anyone, and I’d like to think I’m as big of a UT fan as anyone, as well. However, my glasses aren’t orange-tinted enough to pretend like Griffin would’ve been a non-factor in the second half.

I can’t point to missing Quan, Orakpo, Roy Miller and Irby in the loss to Tech and say that those players were inconsequential to the outcome. If others can, well, more power to them. Yes, injuries are part of the game, but not all injuries are created equal, either.

by junglerules on Feb 22, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Too much orange-juice sipping around here. Let’s be objective fans. If “taint” is not the correct word, then at least Griffin being out did “affect” OU, likely negatively.

by chairmanT on Feb 22, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your having a different arguement than the rest of us

Losing your best player will obviously affect your team negativity 99% of the time, and in this case, although no one could say for certain, most likely did hurt OU’s chances.

But that has nothing to do with objectively looking at how memorable the game was (if that can even be done). As I stated before, the loss of Griffin, and then OU coming back with Willie Warren, followed by AJ’s ridiculous ending, made the game more memorable than if Griffin had been in the game and the same thing happened, at least to me.

by Wells on Feb 22, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of goood points on other games

But not a single bit of discussion on the two individual performances we saw in last night’s game. I don’t think people are appreciating exactly what we saw. Willie Warren’s second half was once-in-a-long-while great. And yet, unbelievably, there was an even better one. In the same second half. To win it.

In a game Texas could not lose. Against the #2-ranked Sooners. I can’t get over it.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think some of us are arguing different points

It seems that we are all interpreting the question posed in different ways, or perhaps I read it a different way. Lots of people are talking about the greatness of the game itself, which I don’t disagree with. I agree with PB- no way I want to lose sight of the Warren-Abrams showdown by letting the Griffin injury overshadow it. That was an amazing display of guts and cold-blooded shooting in the second half between the rising freshman and the senior who capitalized on the opportunity to prove it’s HIS team.

I don’t think it’s Texas’s best home wins because of personal preference, as well as the Blake Griffin injury. But I will agree that it’s one of the best home games in the Barnes era due to the animosity between the teams, the back and forth clutch shots in the second half, a very good crowd, and the high ranking of the Sooners.

Furthermore, I do think that OU is a bit overrated, yet better than I thought they’d be this season. How is that so? Well, their shooters seem better this year- Johnson, Crocker, etc. seem more reliable beyond the arc. In addition, Warren is a true stud, as he’s shown in both games vs. the Longhorns this season. On the other hand, who have they beaten this year? I just don’t see a team they’ve beaten that captures my attention and makes me say “wow.” Sure, they’ve beaten a few good teams in Purdue, Davidson, Utah, and Texas. But none of those teams would strike me as contenders for winning it all. I would be shocked if OU gets to the Final Four. Could I be wrong? No doubt. But this is my honest opinion.

So, I think I’ll agree with those that have the A&M game of a few years ago, as well as the game vs. KU last season, as my votes for best games. But last night’s was a blast. I was as amped up as I would be for a football game last night. And there were so many OU fans in attendance. Felt good to shut those fools up at the end.

by junglerules on Feb 22, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

About who OU has beaten:

OU is #18 according to Pomeroy, Texas – a close #25.

Seeking Sooner blood and Red Raider poo piles in 2009. Wildcat nuggets in 2010.

by Ultra Horn on Feb 23, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with the hyperbole

is that it essentially amounts to crying wolf, and therefore corrupting any future credibility anyone may ever attempt to exhibit when his team does execute a truly historic performance.

Case in point, when Texas beat USC 41-38, I told a lot of my New York friends that the game was arguably the best college football game I’ve seen in my lifetime, and, as could be expected, I was met with a lot of audible laughter and rolling eyes (quite literally). The truth is that the 2006 Rose Bowl genuinely was in contention for most memorable college football game ever played, but because I was speaking about a game that happened to involve my own University, I had no credibility on the subject.

And why? Because any time a program experiences any contemporary great game or a solid player, the “greatest of all time” discussion always unfolds with ridiculous consistency, and a total adherence to the here/now fallacy. Colt McCoy plays here now, so lets consider that he is better than Vince Young, We just beat OU last night, so lets assert that this game somehow outshines several top-5 match-ups, multiple-overtime games, and games that involved far more memorable teams than this year’s squad, simply because it is happening now, in 2009.

That is why I was laughed at in January 2006, all the wolf-crying has ruined any serious recognition of the genuine article.

by BrooklynHorn on Feb 22, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A fair caution flag to wave

But the fact that we should be careful with which game we choose doesn’t disqualify this game from consideration. I was writing so late last night that I didn’t spend any time fleshing it out with detail, but the two second-half individual performances by Warren and AJ were simply outrageous. And though I actually appreciate your contrarian streak, BH, you at times wield it with the same conclusive vigor against which you’re cautioning.

There’s room for discussion without accusing the differing perspectives of suffering from various forms of blindness.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also

On an unrelated note, all my non-Texas friends immediately recognized the Rose Bowl for its place among the all-time great games. Maybe you picked up the contrarian streak from your friends ;)

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I got the impression...

they felt that, were the 2006 Rose Bowl truly an all-time great, it was not a proclamation that was appropriate for a Texas alum to make, which is understandable, for the reasons I stated.

As for your general (and unnecessarily defensive) assessment of my commenting, I perceive a lot of fallacies in public debate, and upon such perceptions, it is my disposition to call them to attention. I have no motive to increase community status or to make friends, rather, and quite simply, if I see that a certain rational perspective is being ignored, I am inclined to highlight it.

But I wouldn’t define that as contrarian, a term I tend to associate more with a seemingly-random tendency to take a counter viewpoint, usually based more on social motives and personal mood than on the actual facts or positions of the current debate.

But your comment sounds a bit like a subtle warning that such dispositions aren’t welcome here.

by BrooklynHorn on Feb 22, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You write better than you read

“I actually appreciate your contrarian streak, BH…”

So no, far from unwelcome. And perhaps contrarian wasn’t quite the right word for the particular perspective that you bring. You spelled out well what it is you like to do, and it’s still welcome, contrarian or not.

In either case, I continually find it a little bemusing that you paint the masses with such a broad, black and white brush, when so many of your (frequently excellent) points are centered on noting shades of gray. You appreciate nuance, except when discussing everyone else, whose opinions you (in my opinion) too frequently don’t give fair treatment.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a bit complicated to summarize in a short post

but my position is generally that individuals are capable of perceiving nuance, and in private disagreements those nuances tend to surface, at least among reasonable minds. But in public discourse, positions tend to be grouped into simpler templates (republican and democrat, federalist and anti-federalist, pro-life and pro-choice), and I notice that very little nuance tends to be allowed in such arenas; in order to participate, a person seemingly must choose one position or the other.

My tendency to disagree aggressively is triggered by instances in which I perceive that someone is arguing from a stock, public template, and not as an individual, or perhaps in instances in which I believe a person is arguing a position based on mood or his/her personal relationship with the other arguer. If this is abrasive (and I know that it is), I apologize.

But again, I have no social motives, I’m here because this is one of the few (VERY few) online forums that has any potential for discursive stimulation. However, I also realize that it is common practice to incorporate social etiquette into an argument in order to build a more cooperative, conversational alliance with your counter-part (a practice that has plenty of merit, as it ensures people will be more receptive to your arguments).

So your preface of “I appreciate your outlook, but…” sounded more like an etiquette statement than a factual statement. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

And yes, I know I have serious problems.

by BrooklynHorn on Feb 22, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Genuine

Though as a moderator I do tend to be polite when it’s practical, I assure you I was genuine in expressing appreciation for your perspective. Even in instances in which I think your good point about public discourse unfairly undercuts a substantive discussion, which I think happens from time to time. For what it’s worth, I raise the criticism in part because I think you capable of engaging it. I’ve found myself on the other end following an objection from your perspective, which is why I say genuinely that the perspective is welcome. I’m as prone to fall lazily into groupthink as the next guy; the openness of this forum keeps a writer in check. It’s perhaps what I appreciate most about this community.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 22, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But I think you are overreacting

But I am not sure if you are serious

But I hope you aren’t

by Wells on Feb 22, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe top 5 or top 10

My favorite home game was the KU game last year. I stood through most of it (my seats are upstairs and folks rarely stand up up there) and I yelled so much I had lost my voice by the end of the game. My second game was the ridiculous A&M game with Acie Law and Kevin Durant. The Villanova game was another nerve-wracking affair. This game was exciting and dramatic so it would probably make the top 5 or top 10 home games in the Rick Barnes era for me.

by bballgrl on Feb 22, 2009 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone explain

Why Warren isn’t playing for UT and Barnes?

Seeking Sooner blood and Red Raider poo piles in 2009. Wildcat nuggets in 2010.

by Ultra Horn on Feb 23, 2009 1:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Is this just the myth that every top athlete in Texas

wants and should go to Texas no matter the circumstances, or do you have some reason to think he ever wanted to go to Texas?

by Wells on Feb 23, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Warren vs. J'Covan Brown

Warren was recruited by Texas but Barnes ultimately ended up pursuing Brown more.

This is a clear case of one of the few mistakes made by Barnes and his staff: Brown never qualified while Warren may end up being one and done. He’s that good, in my opinion.

You can’t get them all right.

--AW--

by awiggo on Feb 23, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he's one and done then it wasn't a big mistake

But considering how many of our losses were really close games, having a guy like Warren might have been the difference from a 7 seed to a 2 seed in the tournament.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 23, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffin Concussion

I was watching Sports Center this morning, and they were talking up OU vs. KU tonight. I slowed down the clips of Griffin’s night, and it appears that Balbay might have given him the concussion. Griffin spun around toward the hoop and away from James. Balbay’s right arm came into contact with the side of Griffin’s head and jotled his head backwards. In contrast, his head barely moved when Pittman smacked him in the nose.

All the more reason to give Balbay the game ball…except for that Abrams kid and his 2nd half performance.

by Johngo on Feb 23, 2009 7:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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