Texas Basketball Report, v 2.7.1 -- More Balbay
Bonus TBR! What started out as the first bullet for Morning Coffee very quickly became a full-fledged post of its own.
Following up on yesterday's TBR concerning Texas' recent offensive improvement/defensive regression, the Statesman ran prior to yesterday's game a feature story on the Longhorns' improving offensive effectiveness. Said Barnes of his starting point guard Dogus Balbay, "If you watch tape, you see he's a leader. He's talking, directing traffic... For the most part, I think we're getting better. It will be exciting for us if we can continue to build on that."
Undoubtedly true, though there remains the issue at the heart of yesterday's TBR post: the corresponding decline in Texas' defensive efficiency. In the comments, both Billyzane and Jimmer both proposed that the same player responsible for the upswing in offense may be inversely affecting the team on the other end of the floor. After admitting that my impression (that I hadn't considered Balbay's defense as a root cause of the decline) was colored by how much of my viewing attention has been hyper-focused on the offensive end of the floor, a handful of commenters jumped in to agree with Billyzane (Balbay out of position) and Jimmer (Dogus' presence negatively impacts Texas' team size).
Let's trust the wisdom of numbers and assume the consensus opinion on Balbay's defense correct. What's the outlook for the remainder of the season? First, we all seem to agree that the tradeoff is worth it, leaving only the question of whether the defense can be improved in the Balbay-led lineup. Second, I think the two concerns raised -- team size with Balbay in the lineup and Balbay's actual defensive play -- should be analyzed separately.
CLASSIFYING THE PROBLEMS
A useful starting point for questions of this kind is to first classify the weakness on a Can or Cannot Be Taught/Learned scale. On the "Can" end of the spectrum, we find issues like technique (e.g. how properly to set a pick) or familiarity with a playbook. On the other end, the best example is probably size. To bring the scale to life: you can coach Dexter Pittman how he should try to position his body for ideal defensive position, but you can't coach Dexter Pittman's size into anyone. You either got it or you don't.
Or to take another example, particularly apt for this post: When last June I first expressed optimism about Balbay's potential impact on the team, it was rooted in the unanimous praise from his coaches and teammates for his decisiveness. As I put it at the time: "If there's a theme [in the quotes] and throughout the article, it's that Balbay's shot is pretty raw, but he plays the point with confidence and purpose, an evaluation Texas fans should be thrilled to see; among the very hardest things to teach a player is how to play with purpose and never hesitate."
THE DEFENSIVE POSITIONING ISSUES
In light of the above, the two Balbay defensive issues seem to me fundamentally different in kind. The size issue is one thing, but I hesitate to share BZ's skepticism about Balbay's off-ball positioning problems being unresolvable before this season concludes. With the calendar turning over to March this weekend, BZ is probably making the smarter bet, but that this particular problem comfortably falls near the "Can Be Taught" end of the spectrum gives me reason to hope otherwise. Dogus Balbay is overflowing with athleticism and possesses ample speed, quickness, and agility to be where he needs to be on defense for the 'Horns. While most significant improvements develop as a product of experience and repetition, simple awareness has a role to play as well. A steady blast of film review and coaching reminders could lead to enough near-term improvement to make a difference.
Is this just a case of PB wishcasting? (I've discovered that writing about a team every day, year after year, has almost necessitated I develop a hopeful disposition. At least for me, I know that expecting every dark cloud to rain quickly crushes my writing spirit.) Related to BZ's concern that there's simply not enough time to expect Balbay to demonstrate marked improvement, there's another red flag -- mentioned by Big Roy in the comments -- that gives me significant pause: Balbay's sloppiness with fouls.
Dogus is hacking at a clip of roughly 4.2 fouls per 40 minutes, not quite Dexter Pittman territory (7.8-per-40), but almost twice the rate of teammates AJ Abrams (2.2) and Justin Mason (2.4). Though I do not in any way want to suggest that lower foul rates are indicative of better defense, Dogus' markedly elevated rate does raise in my mind the question of whether there's a lot of "un-learning" to be done before his all-around defensive play matches his athleticism in quality. We're wading into high speculative waters here, so I won't indulge the issue in much detail, but given the season's late hour, I would fairly call it a potentially discouraging data point.
All told, Balbay's defense presents an open question worth watching closely, in which discernible improvement would provide for fans a compelling reason to think the team's post-season ceiling has been raised.
TEAM DEFENSE AND BALBAY'S SIZE
The other concern, raised by Jimmer and seconded by Wiggins, relates to the reduction of team size in a Balbay-led lineup. Let's start by comparing some of the pre- and post-Balbay lineups. (Note: Both Atchley and Pittman are 6-10, so I'm combining the two as interchangeable in the fifth slot.)
| Pre-Balbay | OSU, CU, A&M |
OU/Tech | |||||
| Player | Height | Player | Height | Player | Height | ||
| AJ Abrams | 5-10 | AJ Abrams | 5-10 | AJ Abrams | 5-10 | ||
| J Mason | 6-2 | D Balbay | 6-0 | D Balbay | 6-0 | ||
| G Johnson | 6-6 | J Mason | 6-2 | J Mason | 6-2 | ||
| D James | 6-7 | G Johnson | 6-6 | D James | 6-7 | ||
| CD Pitchley | 6-10 | D James | 6-7 | D Pittman | 6-10 |
The middle line up is the one referenced by Wiggins and Jimmer, but it's worth noting that Gary Johnson was healthy for the tip of the Oklahoma game, when Barnes opted to start the bigger lineup seen in the right side of the table. That at least suggests Barnes is reluctant to play with the smaller line up about which both Wiggins and Jimmer worry. The starting line up against Oklahoma does take a height hit with Balbay in for Gary Johnson, but it's not nearly as drastic.
There is a fourth possibility, not yet tried by Barnes, but worth considering -- a lineup of Abrams, Balbay, Johnson, James, and Pittman. (Or, if a more mobile unit is preferred, Atchley in for Pittman.) Would it make sense to send Justin Mason to the bench? I think it's at least worth considering.
In truth, the bulk of Justin Mason's value this season has come from his excellent emergency duty as team point guard. His turnover rate (23%) has remained acceptably low while his assist rate (26.1%) has been excellent. Heading into the season, that was definitely not what Justin "Glue Guy/Stat Stuffer/All-Around Contributor" Mason was known for. And now that Balbay is handling the bulk of the point guard duties, it's worth looking at Justin Mason's production. Is he still "stuffing the stat sheet"? Here are the numbers since Balbay took over at point:
| Opponent | Mins | FGs | FTs | PTS | ORs | DRs | AST | TO | STL | BLK |
| Oklahoma St | 34 | 0-1 | 6-8 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Colorado | 29 | 2-4 | 3-3 | 7 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 0 |
| Texas A&M | 29 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 1 |
| Oklahoma | 30 | 1-4 | 0-0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| Texas Tech | 31 | 3-7 | 0-2 | 6 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| Averages | 30.6 | 1.6-3.8 | 1.8-2.6 | 5.0 | 2.0 | 1.8 | 3.6 | 1.0 | 1.8 | 0.4 |
Because I know you're out there, let me start by noting to the pitchfork-wielding "Mason sucks!" fringers that these numbers are solid overall -- particularly the recent steal binge and that healthy AST:TO ratio. Justin Mason: still a solid player.
The question is whether his production is substantial enough to foreclose the possibility of using him as a strong reserve instead of 30 minutes-per-game starter. Offensively, Mason isn't scoring much and is so unimposing an outside shooting threat that his man can sag and pick spots to offer help team defense. Not only could Mason as a reserve contribute value at the same rate, but where he was spelling Balbay himself, his value-created in PG duties has been particularly strong. Moreover, if/when Barnes wanted/needed a smaller line up (both fouls and Pittman stamina necessitate substantial rotation anyway), Mason's perfectly capable of doing alongside Balbay what he's doing right now.
Defensively, the issue is murkier. Certainly when playing a quick, perimeter-oriented team (see: Bruins, UCLA), a bigger starting five might be problematic. Similarly, a team which featured a particularly dangerous 3-guard with 6'2 - 6'5 height (see: Warren, William) might necessitate Mason's presence in the lineup. Some of this analysis simply requires a case-by-case approach, weighing Mason's defensive contributions against a given opponent versus his offensive liabilities. Also to consider would be the offensive and rebounding gains Texas might enjoy because of the bigger lineup.
Alas, sorry fringers: no easy answers from me. Even so, I do think having this discussion is illuminating insofar as it highlights how much more flexibility Rick Barnes has now that Balbay has emerged at point:
- Rick can start big and bring Mason in off the bench.
- Rick can start medium and bring Johnson in off the bench.
- Rick can start small and bring Pittman in off the bench.
With the post-season rapidly approaching, there's real concern that we're past the point where it's realistic to expect Texas to extract the maximum value from the situation. Nevertheless, the answer to the question "Is Texas better positioned now then it was two months ago?" is clearly yes. I also think the answer to the question "Is Texas' hypothetical team ceiling higher now than it was two months ago?" is clearly yes.
In those regards, this is the debate Texas fans were hoping to be having in the final weeks before post-season play. I'll take it.
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Math
As you have observed, the problem is not with Balbay’s height, but with the move to the 3 guard lineup. And comparing the size starting lineups is less useful than looking at the average where player height is multiplied by playing time. But the real impact would also need to consider opponents, so we would really like to look at cumulative matchup height differential.
As we have seen, there are both pros and cons from a 3 guard lineup stemming from adjustments on defense and opportunities on offense that it entails. Simply put, Balbay plays like a freshman. But for what it’s worth, he plays “tall” because of his long arms and athleticism, certainly tall enough for a point guard. In my opinion, moving James to the inside makes up for any loss in defensive effectiveness from playing Balbay.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Feb 27, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice thread extension, PB
Hopefully the OU game was a good indication of Barnes willingness to change the starting lineup depending on opponent. It would have been interesting to see if Gary was healthy whether or not Barnes started him against Tech.
The OU start for Dex wasn’t surprising given Sexy’s success against Griffin in the first match-up.
Mason off the bench would be an interesting way to go. It gets Texas back to our tall lineup, but it takes a lot of intensity, energy, and hustle off the floor. The fourth option would be our best offensive lineup, but either AJ or Dogus would have to lock down the Horns’ opponents’ best guard without getting into foul trouble.
As far as Dogus’ defense, I think he can still improve this season. Rick will continue to harp on him for silly fouls. I continue to believe that he is improving on both ends of the court every minute he is out there.
Like you say, its nice to be able to have this debate. Hook ’em!
by jimmer on Feb 27, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mason
Even if he doesn’t start, there are plenty of minutes for Mason — backing up Balbay and coming in for 3 guard lineups. It’s Ward who suffers when Balbay starts.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Feb 27, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Analysis is Good
Both in this post and in v. 2.7 the analysis has been a lot more sober and accurate than much of the season. I, too, hope that this team finds that spark late in the season that has been absent all season. A win in Stillwater would be big at this time. A loss probably drops UT to the 5-6 seed in the Big 12 tournament, with a possible 2nd round matchup against OSU again, in OKC next time, not a good situation. With only an opening round win in their conference tournament against CU or ISU the selection committee would surely drop UT to an 8 seed, which means…a second round loss in the NCAA’s.
So, tomorrow night is huge in my book for any chance for UT to make the Sweet 16 this year. Win and they’ve got a shot, lose and the fat lady is warming up her vocal cords.
Balbay has proven himself better at starting point than anybody else on the team. He’s far from ideal, though, for all the reasons stated here and in 2.7. Maybe next season with Lucas they can come up with a lineup that really clicks. Every game is like watching someone with size 12 feet walking a mile in size 8 shoes, excruciatingly painful as I wince in pity, even the wins.
by RMHorn on Feb 27, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There is a fourth possibility, not yet tried by Barnes, but worth considering — a lineup of Abrams, Balbay, Johnson, James, and Pittman. (Or, if a more mobile unit is preferred, Atchley in for Pittman.) Would it make sense to send Justin Mason to the bench? I think it’s at least worth considering.
This is the lineup I’ve been pushing for since the OSU home game. Mason is not as productive as any of those 5 players, so he shouldn’t be starting considering the size disadvantage.
The only way Mason should start at the 3 is if we’re playing a team that starts a few small guards.
Perhaps Johnson would’ve started if he was available in the Tech game. We’ll see.
OSU’s starting lineup in their last game was:
5’10" Keiton Page
5’11" Byron Eaton
6’5" Terrel Harris
6’6" Marshall Moses
6’6" James Anderson
This could be a problem for Pittman, as he’s too slow to guard any of these players. We would have to play zone for sure to cover for him. I think an ideal rotation for this matchup would be Balbay and Abrams guarding the two sub 6’ guards, and then James, Johnson, and Atchley in the front court.
by goingforthecorner on Feb 27, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Matchup
If they play that lineup, we can still hide Pittman in a zone. And then OSU has no answer for him on the offensive end.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Feb 28, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going, I was gonna post the same darn thing
“There is a fourth possibility, not yet tried by Barnes, but worth considering — a lineup of Abrams, Balbay, Johnson, James, and Pittman. (Or, if a more mobile unit is preferred, Atchley in for Pittman.) Would it make sense to send Justin Mason to the bench? I think it’s at least worth considering.”
Bout time someone other than myself pointed this out
by greenspointexas on Feb 28, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
























