Rick Barnes and UVA
by blazzinken on Mar 26, 2009 12:48 PM CDT
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Looks like Rick Barnes took a tour of UVA late Tuesday night
Not sure what to make of this becuase it is a Blog and you can never trust 100% what people say (No offense meant towards BON).
I can confirm absolutely that yes, a coach did get a tour of the John Paul Jones Arena late Tuesday night. And by late-night, I mean, clandestine, no-witnesses LATE night. I’ve also been told by more than one airtight source that the coach who toured JPJ is the one who has a UVa offer in hand—apparently it’s well known within the UVa basketball "family" that there is an offer already on the table.
My guess right now: I think whoever it was that toured JPJ on Tuesday (and I can absolutely, 100-percent guarantee it was a coaching candidate) will be the next UVa head men’s basketball coach by the beginning of next week.
The name I was given last night, by the way, that I alluded to on this site, was Rick Barnes. That name has been floated now by two of my best-placed UVa sources, though neither actually saw him, nor can they confirm that for sure.
I would not be able to understand why Barnes would turn down Kentucky last season and then accept a coaching job at UVA. UVA does offer some things Texas does not.
- Fan Support, lets face it Texas will always be a football school. Maybe Barnes thinks he has done as much as he possibly can at Texas.
- ACC Country, basketball is just different the further you go east. This all goes back to being in Texas where football is king.
I would like think that the Pros of Texas out way the cons.
- Money, Barnes or Texas will never have to worry about this.
- Facilities, the Erwin Center may not be the best place for basketball but you will only have the best facilities at Texas.
- Austin, Barnes is an Austin type of guy, enjoys riding his bike and seems to be a pretty laid back guy.
- Football school, there is always a positive on the other side. Sure there is pressure to win but it seems that the fan base is satisfied with sweet 16s and close losses to Duke in the tourney. There will always be those who are disappointed but for the most part the Fans were not really too upset about this last loss.
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I'd be shocked if he left
After all the hard work he’s put into the program, we’re finally in a position to make a serious run. I can’t see him throwing that away.
by SuperHorn on Mar 26, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I did read in an article...
that one reason he didn’t go to Kentucky (mainly the ONLY one) was that Durant hadn’t decided whether he was coming back or going to declare. In that time that Barnes was waiting, Durant declared and Gillespie was hired on at Kentucky. I don’t know how how reliable this source is but I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Barnes left.
I don’t want it to happen though. The future is bright here!
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Mar 26, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And who the hell would want to leave with the #2 recruiting class coming in?
And then in 2010, another top three class?
And then in 2011 another possible top 5 class?
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Mar 26, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCG v. Barnes
It’s still debatable whether or not Kentucky wanted Barnes more than Gillispie. There were reports that Kentucky offered Barnes but Barnes turned it down, yet others where Kentucky had Barnes’ name in the mix but didn’t have any serious interest in him, at least not before offering the job to Gillispie.
Regardless, it would be criminal for Barnes to go to Virginia right now. Texas has all the pieces in place to make one, if not many, championship runs in the foreseeable future. Does Barnes really want to go rebuild a program and play second fiddle to the likes of Duke and UNC?
by jc25 on Mar 26, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who wouldn't want barnes over bcg?
maybe im delusional, but bcg sounds like the sexy pick while barnes’ records the past couple of years speaks for itself.
by longhornricky on Mar 26, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
He’s plays second fiddle to Kansas now.
I’d be stunned if he goes, but other than his stint at Texas, ALL of his ties are east of the Mississippi.
by DoubleB on Mar 26, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Yes he does, but he’s got Texas positioned to make a run for king of the hill in the Big XII. Why give that up to make a lateral move, where he’d have to work the same magic over again?
Agreed on the second point, but this isn’t football where he has to recruit 99.9% of his players from the state of Texas. Basketball preps have far less qualms about traveling far distances to play ball. If Barnes can pluck Kevin Durant out of Maryland and Jordan Hamilton out of California, I don’t think he’s too terribly worried about where his ties lie (lay? I hate that.).
by jc25 on Mar 27, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not like this... no way
UVA? Really? Do they even play basketball there? If Barnes is leaving anywhere it is to a program where he can compete for national titles at a school where football plays second fiddle. There are very few jobs like that in the country, and UVA is not remotely close to being one of them.
by the1austin on Mar 26, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does this article mean that...
barnes was in las vegas yesterday afternoon? I cant tell if he is reporting seeing barnes yesterday or a week ago on wednesday…
by Thor84 on Mar 26, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm just a thought
a few comments have mentioned that barnes probably wont go because of the great classes we have coming in the next few years.
but what are the chances that if he does go, some of the recruits will follow him?
i sure as hell hope he doesn’t leave but I couldn’t blame him and wouldn’t be very surprised if he did. i mean, the lack of enthusiasm for the program here is pretty ridiculous at times.
by hooked on texas on Mar 26, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know..
…about the recruits “following” him. They may love Barnes, but UVA? When Sampson went to IU, Damion James and Scotty Reynolds didn’t follow him, they just went elsewhere.
Maybe this is a ploy to scare the hell of the university and get a raise or get better attendance. I hope he doesn’t leave.
by vy til i die on Mar 26, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnes
Barnes has had a lot of talent at Texas and really hasn’t done much with it. I know Barnes doesn’t know how to teach players how to shoot free throws!
I like the guy, but I don’t think he deserves the Muschamp treatment about leaving.
by Longhorns84 on Mar 26, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“I know Barnes doesn’t know how to teach players how to shoot free throws!”
Really? That’s the substance of your argument that Texas shouldn’t work to keep Barnes around? Considering that 2 years ago, Texas was in the top 10% in FT shooting tells me that FT shooting is not a “coaching” issue, but instead almost completely a “player” issue. For example, Duke went from 8th in the nation to 147th in FT shooting between 2006 and 2007. Why? JJ Redick graduated. We all know Memphis FT shooting last year was atrocious. It’s mid-pack this year (149th). Why? Joey Dorsey left and took his his sub-40% FT percentage with him.
I’m a bigger Barnes defender on here than most, but I find it hard to believe that even some of his detractors wouldn’t see his leaving as a big blow to the program.
by DoubleB on Mar 26, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was joking...or at least I hope he was.
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by jordansb on Mar 26, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
given his comment history
odds are, he wasn’t joking.
by billyzane on Mar 26, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we're not giving him enough credit.
I’m starting to think 84’ might be the master of undetectable internet sarcasm.
by gwh65 on Mar 26, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking
BUT I think missing free throws was definitly a problem this year. Barnes gets great talent in Austin, but I think Texas could lure a big name from a different school if he left.
by Longhorns84 on Mar 26, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think we could get that would be better than Barnes?
Remember what RickyB has done and continues to do here. Jim Boeheim was in the freaking NIT just a year ago. How long since Texas didnt make the dance?
by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 26, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think he will leave Memphis for a football school?
by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matters very little in Basketball.
If you want a more respectable schedule, its out there for the taking, look at how Rick does his OOC.
When the Tournament comes around, it doesn’t matter if you are CUSA or Big12. Its not like in football where a CUSA team could get screwed for not being a BCS school.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 27, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
The weak CUSA costed Memphis a #1 seed this year, and their early departure may cost them future #1 seeds.
by Longhorns84 on Mar 27, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of a function of their weak OOC scheduling.
Any team of note they scheduled they lost to.
They were a pretty solid #1 seed last year if I remember correctly, still coming from CUSA
by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 27, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of them.....
…..have 13 consecutive trips to the NCAA Tournament??
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by HornChamps on Mar 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't done much with it?
How about a Final Four appearance and a few Elite Eights and Sweet 16s. A few lucky breaks with players overlapping, and I believe Barnes has a national championship trophy right now.
By the way, Pitt just went to their first Elite Eight… ever.
by TheElusiveShadow on Mar 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well..
2 years ago Barnes had Durant, Augustine, James, and Abrams and they got bounced in the 2nd round. 0 championships. i like the guy, but he can be replaced (by few..but still).
by Longhorns84 on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texas, as a basketball program...
Is not a destination of choice for those elite few.
The only reason its even remotely possibly in the conversation is RickyB.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 27, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnes
is good because the players he had…not his coaching.
by Longhorns84 on Mar 27, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And who the heck.....
……recruited all those good players to the 40 Acres??
Do you really understand the game of college basketball??
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Mar 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That team started 4 freshmen and a sophomore
and had basically no legitimate reserves. If you were envisioning much more than a 2nd round exit, perhaps you’re the one who needs to adjust your expectations.
by bassale47 on Mar 27, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ask Syracuse about freshmen players (Carmelo)
The young players excuse is garbage, that is how college b-ball is now days. The great coaches coach great players fast.
by Longhorns84 on Mar 27, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not garbage.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Syracuse had 2 freshmen, 2 sophomores, and a senior in their starting lineup that year. One of those 2 sophomores started every game as a freshman, and the other started more than half of the games his freshman year. Syracuse’s 2003 starting lineup came into that season with almost 100 games of starting experience between them. The Texas 2006 starting five had a grand total of 1 game of starting experience between them. There is a HUGE difference between those 2 teams, and if you can’t see that, it’s simply because you don’t want to.
by bassale47 on Mar 27, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Will Barnes go from (really) Good to Great?
I agree with you on that one…..but with Aldridge/Gibson/Tucker Barnes had his chance for the final 4 and did not get there.
My hope is that the next three years (and the over the top recruits coming in) will bring the chance for Barnes to get to the final four twice and win a NCAA. The question is, will he move up to be one of the great coaches, seizing the moment to win the big ones or wll he have a Norm Stewart like record. (see below)
* 8 Big Eight Conference regular-season championships.
* 6 Big Eight Conference post-season tournament titles.
* 16 NCAA Tournament appearances, including two elite eights.
* 1982 UPI National Coach Of The Year and 1994 Associated Press Coach of the Year
* Lifetime record of 634-333 (21st best mark in NCAA history)
* Seventeen seasons with 20 wins or more.
* Coached 9 All-American players and 21 First-Team All-Conference players
by IUTex on Mar 27, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is garbage
B-ball is b-ball.. You’re simply making excuses. I’ll take take the Durant team over the Carmelo team with the same coach any day.
by Longhorns84 on Mar 27, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK......, you convinced me.
You don’t know a thing about college basketball.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Mar 28, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kentucky
If they do end up giving Gillispie the axe, do they come after Barnes again??
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by jordansb on Mar 26, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Much more likely that Barnes goes there....
Than UVA. But, he must like the fact that here nobody is really all that upset if he doesn’t win NCAA titles. At Kentucky, the expectations are obscene, but he gets to coach in front of sell out crowds and have a program that is the main focus of the university.
by the1austin on Mar 26, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On my way to class, I saw rick barnes near my dorm. I asked him if he was leaving for UVA. He was like “Son, im going to let you in on a little secret. Im gonna be a Cavalier next year” Of course, he made me promise not to tell anyone
by MJY6087 on Mar 26, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw Mack Brown
Said he was planning on running for President in 2012
Blazz
by blazzinken on Mar 26, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you showed him proper respect.
It is “Mr. Barnes” or “Coach Barnes” and not “Hey Branes”. If not I may have to strangle you, you shoot you accidentally.
by Bobby Knight on Mar 26, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recruits for basketball within 200mi. of UVA is like recruits for football within 200mi. of Austin: plentiful, deep, and talented. I despise the kind of football they play here in ACC-land (I’m in the MD ’burbs of DC), but these soft east-coast types sure play a lot of basketball.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 26, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Capel makes more sense for the rumor
Grew up in Virginia, has ACC roots from his days at Duke. Perhaps the original leak concerned a “current coach of a Big 12 power” and someone assumed that meant Barnes.
by the chairman211 on Mar 26, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barnes has mid-Atlantic ties
as well. Grew up and played in North Carolina. Most of his assistant coaching occurred in the state. Was head coach at George Mason and Clemson in the region as well.
Again, I’d be stunned if he left for what can very generously be described as a lateral move, but I don’t think it’s the equivalent of getting a call from say Washington, Cal, Michigan, etc. which would most definitely elicit the “thanks, but no thanks” response.
by DoubleB on Mar 26, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
Barnes to UVA is not gonna happen. The name I’m hearing that makes most sense is American’s Jeff Jones.
Don’t sweat it on Barnes.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Mar 26, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UVA is going to
hire a guy they fired as head coach some 10 years ago? That’s weirder to me than Barnes being lured away.
by DoubleB on Mar 26, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
I had remembered Jones being at Virginia Tech, not UVA. Big difference — I stand corrected. Thanks.
Regardless, I’m not buying Barnes as a Hoo. No way.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Mar 26, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Cavalier PB?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Mar 26, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These rumors appear every time there is an opening in the southeast
I won’t believe a word of it until Barnes or someone associated with UT athletics confirms it. I might be a little more concerned if this were Kentucky we were talking about. The thought of Rick leaving Texas for UVA is almost laughable to me.
As for that website, if I could count on one hand the number of times this guy said something to the affect of “no one actually saw Rick Barnes on campus” or “no one is really sure it was Rick Barnes,” it might have a little more credibility. His “guess” is as good as mine.
If Barnes had interviewed at UVA and received an offer from them two days ago, as this blog is alleging, do you honestly think it wouldn’t be all over Austin media by now? Even the national media would have to be reporting something. Texas doesn’t lose head coaches to anyone, certainly not to UVA, so this would be a pretty major story if it were true. Nobody can keep that kind of thing a secret for that long.
by bassale47 on Mar 26, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Texas - UVA
I went to Texas undergrad and UVA grad and I will say one thing for UVA, their fans support the basketball team when they’re halfway decent. John Paul Jones Arena is a great place to watch a game.
But I don’t see it happened, and I hope it doesn’t.
by Texas Wahoo on Mar 26, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Gonna Happen
PB and I have talked about this a lot over the last couple of off seasons after the Kentucky and Indiana jobs opened. Once those were filled, the list of schools where Barnes might consider going is pretty small. He is here to stay and I couldn’t be happier.
Here are the four schools that I could see him jumping to — Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina, and Duke.
Other than that, it would take a ton of money, some poor recruting classes or something else drastic for Rick to voluntarily leave.
--AW--
by awiggo on Mar 26, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetically, Louisville?
Yes I know they have a coach, bear with me.
Kentucky offers Barnes, would Barnes consider a Louisville who might make a run to keep him away from Kentucky?
Also, surprised you don’t think he would consider UCLA.
-rBr-
by run Bevo run on Mar 26, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have UCLA on my list
Along with UConn and possibly Wake Forest or Maryland.
by the1austin on Mar 26, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Lousiville, maybe—you still are second fiddle to Kentucky
UCLA, maybe—I don’t see Rick going west
UConn, maybe—He was a Providence previously, so I could see a return to the Big East but I’d still say an ACC team or an historic power first
--AW--
by awiggo on Mar 26, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm thinking realistically instead of hypothetically
But I don’t see Barnes at Louisville or UCLA. Both schools already have top coaches. Louisville is not going to trade Pitino for Barnes just to keep Barnes away from Kentucky, and UCLA will probably keep Ben Howland around for as long as he wants to be there, which, considering it’s his dream job, will probably be until he retires. I don’t think Texas has to worry about either of those schools unless Pitino suddenly decides to call it a career.
The biggest threat right now is Kentucky, but then, depending on where they go to get their next coach, you end up with another suitor. The only way that changes is if Barnes does what he did 2 years ago and publicly states he’s not leaving Texas.
by bassale47 on Mar 27, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You fail at hypotheticals
Why dont you give us your views as to why he wont got to Duke or North Carolina? Good god man, I feel like Billy Bob Thornton in Bad Santa.
-rBr-
by run Bevo run on Mar 27, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of off topic but...
Is Duke really have the luster with out Coach K?
Those other jobs you mention have had a few coaches have a lot of success. Duke is a one man show.
Blazz
by blazzinken on Mar 26, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I brought up that point a couple years ago when Blitzburg was listing Duke among all time greats like UCLA, UNC, UK and KU.
Duke had a little success, like Texas level success, before Coach K got there. They’d been to the tourney 8 times and the final four 4 times. Since K, they’ve been to the final four 10 times.
Obviously no one can know for sure if he has started a dynasty that will out live his tenure. I hope it doesn’t.
by ajax77777 on Mar 27, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hi :)
I remember that. Four final fours aint bad though, no? Dont necessarily disagree but I think moving forward Coach K has catapulted them into the all time greats category forever. Momentum probably will carry on so long as they dont hire the wrong guy immediately after Coach K
by Blitzburgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if Kentucky fires BCG today...
… as expected do we have to start going through Barnes Watch 2009? This time there’s no Durant to consider. And Tristan Thompson would certainly be a great foundation to rebuild the Kentucky program around.
Still a Blaine Irby fan
by patienthornsfan on Mar 27, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no guarantee Thompson goes with Barnes
That is pure speculation and not something to base a change of employment on.
There is no Durant to consider this time, but there IS an outstanding recruiting class for 2009, not to mention another one in 2010 and the beginnings of a third one in 2011. And that’s before we even get to all the other things Texas has to offer (money, facilities, the fact that you aren’t playing 5th or 6th fiddle – at absolute best – in your own conference, etc.)
I do think Barnes would be a great hire at Kentucky. He fits in with their culture incredibly well, and he would have no other traditional basketball powers against which to compete on a yearly basis. That’s not true in the ACC, the Big East, or even the Big 12.
But UVA seems like a huge reach.
by bassale47 on Mar 27, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to go into.....
……the details of sources, but I’ll confirm your 4 schools.
Two don’t have the appeal they had when Rick first arrived here in Austin. The other two are definitely not available. Unfortunately, eleven years later, I’m not so sure the above is actually good news any longer. Perhaps the yearn to get in the ACC is enough to force Rick to expand his list. If it is true he told Tubby, “You’re crazy not to consider the Virginia job.”, then who knows…………
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by HornChamps on Mar 28, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From that blog
As for today’s update, for now, there isn’t any….I still think Virginia wants to resolve this quickly, I still think Tubby Smith is the odds-on favorite at this point, with Jeff Capel second, and Rick Barnes, Trent Johnson, Fran McCaffery certainly legitimately in play.
by goingforthecorner on Mar 26, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we get a cite or something...
…proving Coach Barnes likes riding his bicycle around Austin? Until i see a cite, this is just “gotcha” journalism.
by Heart of a Muschampion on Mar 27, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not have a link.
but I do know in an interview Rick told the story of biking on the velodrome and passing Lance Armstrong…Lance was going in the other direction. This "story’ has been told on a couple of different broadcasts by Fran Frascilla.
What if James Henry decided bitches didn’t need to be kicked?
by billb on Mar 27, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He came here from Clemson...
another somewhat mediocre ACC team. Why would he leave Austin to go to another?
by BrooklynHorn on Mar 27, 2009 1:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Argh!
That’s one of the few I think Barnes would be interested in …
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Mar 27, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tubby smith is not going to UVA…read in an article he is happy at minnesota, and denied rumors that he was going to be a cavalier
by MJY6087 on Mar 27, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
excellent Choice
..Calipari to Kentucky………
Anderson to Memphis?
by IUTex on Mar 30, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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