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Weekend Discussion: Is Texas In The Golden Age?

As mentioned earlier this week, the inhuman volume of work in front of me over the next six weeks pretty much necessitates I put day-to-day blogging on hold, but I'll be hanging around in the gallery and, where free time and inspiration collide, throwing up the occasional post. Like right now, when I'm going to ignore the sleep I need to indulge a thoiught that came to me while reading about the Billy Gillispie firing at Kentucky. 

For starters, if you have any ties at all to the Bluegrass State and/or UK, you need to read Tru's take at A Sea of Blue. And if not, for purposes of this post all you need to know is that one of college basketball's legendary programs is in disarray. After a national title-winning coach was railroaded out, a West Texas hotshot was brought in, and two years later the team misses the NCAAs for the first time in 20 years, the coach is fired, and the fanbase is shellshocked. As Tru put it to me in an email earlier tonight, "This feels like the Ninth Circle of Hell."

It was that which got me thinking about the subject at hand: First, just how good does Texas have it right now? And second, how long can it last? Follow me after the jump to discuss.

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Most every Texas fan is aware that the football and basketball programs are in great shape. (And though I'm going to simplify by not discussing baseball, including Augie's program would only reinforce the point.)  Even so, it's likely we don't fully appreciate just how good this current era really is. While the expectations of Texas fans have always been high, Mack Brown and Rick Barnes have ratcheted them up to their uppermost limits, to such a degree that seasons otherwise considered "good" feel very much like, relatively speaking, crushing disappointments. After a while, it can be difficult to see the forest for the trees.

But if you think about it for a minute, the list of schools similarly situated to Texas is awfully small. Like, three: USC, Florida, and Ohio State (depending what  you think of Matta). That's it. And no, Jeff Capel doesn't get OU on this list; get back to me in a few years.... Five or ten years from now other schools may warrant inclusion on the list, but as of this moment, it doesn't get much better than being a Texas fan.

Hooray! You already knew that...

The real reason I walked through that set up is so I could ask a question. Well, a series of questions.

Is This The Golden Age of Texas Sports?

Though Rick Barnes is here for the forseeable future, he'll one day retire or win a national title and decide to coach NC State or something. Mack Brown is 2-5 years away from stepping down. But before they do, their enormous success, and the particular way they've achieved it, raises an ineresting question.

Texas fans have never been shy about their belief that, with regards to athletics success, the university is arguably uniquely situated. From size to resources to recruiting to fan support -- Texas is near-ideally situated to be successful. "We're Texas" can be a statement of arrogance or a statement of opportunity.

The questions on my mind, then, are these: Is there any reason to think that the particular ways Barnes and Brown have succeeded could immunize Texas from the normal cyclical ups-and-downs a program can expect? That is, where Texas fans have long thought this athletics program a sleeping giant that could/should be a recession-proof machine, is there reason to think that -- after they're both gone -- the enormous success of Brown and Barnes will carry on for a long while? Or even indefinitely? Or, alternatively, is it more likely that we're in something of a Golden Age, with two great coaches able to tap into the Texas machine, but whose fine work could easily be undone by successors?

For what it's worth, as recently as a year ago I'm not sure this question even would have occurred to me. But before you weigh in on this below, pause and consider the Muschamp HCIW move.... It's almost like Mack Brown will be handing over keys to the machine running at full capacity. Whenever Rick Barnes' era ends, will it be much different?

Are these two coaches, while they're still in charge, treating Texas fans to something of a Golden Age? Or have these two coaches unleashed a Golden Age that will continue long after they're gone?

I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

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Totally agree

Had this conversation a year ago with my pastor/lead writer for Inside Texas Bill Frisbee about the same thing. Our sports over the past 5-10 years or so:

Our football team is a top 10 powerhouse
Our Mens/Womens Swimming are top 10 powerhouses
Womens Soccer top 25 mostly
Womens V ball top 10 power
Mens Track / cross country top 10 power
Womens track / cross country, spotty, but can won a NC a couple years ago
Mens B Ball top 25 power
Womens B Ball, spotty
Mens Baseball, top 10 power
Womens Softball, spotty
Mens and Womens Tennis, top 25 always
Mens and Womens golf, eh

Wow, no other school has a lineup like that, especially one where almost all their sports are headlined by great coaches who arent going anywhere in the forseeable future. This truely is a golden age….. appreciate it fellow horns…. Mens Swimming bout to add another National Championship to the resume! Hook em

by greenspointexas on Mar 28, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you ask him about this?
seriously, I am really starting to question Barnes’ coaching tonight
Chapman and Ward playing – this isnt an exhibition match
Dogus shooting jumpers
Ward, Mason, Chapman, Johnson and Abrams all on the floor at the same time? wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww – I wonder who is going to get the bakl to shoot
2-3 zone to end the half?? hahhahaahha we were just asking for them to get 3 points on us easy
this game is one of the worst officiated games ive seen all year
Texas vs. Minnesota = an average team vs a horrible team – how is the score even this close with the way Minn. played the last 14 min???
Nova is not that good… they are the Baylor of the Big East… dunno why people overrate them so much.. I mean, we even beat them
by greenspointexas on Mar 19, 2009 7:11 PM CDT

My favorite part is this:

Nova is not that good… they are the Baylor of the Big East… dunno why people overrate them so much.. I mean, we even beat them

-rBr-

by run Bevo run on Mar 29, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing's guaranteed

USC football was quite mediocre in the 80s and 90s. Texas football was incredibly average from the late 70s to the early part of this decade. Kentucky basketball is going through a down phase right now. So is Notre Dame football (and you can argue about whether it will ever truly recover).

Mack Brown turned out to be the right hire at the right time for Texas football. David McWilliams was the worst hire in the modern history of Texas athletics. Yet at the time McWilliams seemed like a natural choice (top player and then assistant under Royal and then Akers) while Brown was plucked out of relative obscurity from North Carolina with ZERO Texas ties. The point is that these hires aren’t easy and mistakes are made, even by schools with great tradition and resources.

Texas football should never be really down. There’s too much talent in the state. But it can go through a “Ron Zook” or “Frank Solich” type era and a bad hire after that could lead to a longer period of mediocrity.

Texas hoops is different. I think most people on this site vastly underestimate what Barnes brings to the table, particularly with regards to recruiting. He gets a number of his top recruits out of state through connections that aren’t replicable. I could easily envision Texas returning to the success (or mediocrity) of the Penders era.

by DoubleB on Mar 28, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but I'd revise your timeline

Texas Football in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s was two wins away from winning two National Titles (1977 and 1983)…in fact the 1983 team had like 17 guys go pro, so “incredibly average” might be a bit harsh. Now from 1984/1985 to 1998/1999, I’d agree we were average compared to the success we fans expect.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And McWilliams won a SWC Title in 1990

The 76 team went 5-5-1 (worst record since 56) and the team didn’t outright win OR share a SWC title between 77 and 83 (something they hadn’t done since the mid-50’s either). The team also went a pedestrian 2-5 in bowl games in this span. While not nearly as bad as the range you mentioned, the program definitely slipped in quality from the 60’s and early 70’s.

by DoubleB on Mar 28, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was 4 in 1977...

…so UT probably could have gone 0 and whatever from 77-83 and would have thought they were the greatest thing ever as I spent my formative years growing up in the shadow of Mermorial Stadium. I’m still probably a little blinded by childhood innocense as well.

You could also argue that Darrell had some so-so years in the mid-1960’s going 6-4 a few times.

Regardless, this trip down Memorial lane makes me appreciate the string of 10-win seasons under Mack’s lead even more. And as you said up top, “nothing’s guranteed,” and taking it for granted will probably only make this era of success come to an end that much sooner (all puns intended).

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Program is 'Recession Proof'

As has been proven at UT, USC, Neb, ND, and every other traditional power in football, you are one bad hire away from a losing record. Whether in football or bb, the coach has to be able to recruit both players and coaches, motivate and prepare the team, and manage the alumni. Finding a coach good at 2 of the 3 is very difficult. Finding someone good at all 3, makes them a special coach.

We are indeed very lucky, right now. But remember, this is the same university that hire McWilliams and Mackovic…

by BigDSteve on Mar 28, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Platinum Age

Intriguing question and I probably need to understand better your definition of “Golden Age” to more accurately respond. Is it more ideals driven or success oriented?

I always felt like the term “Golden Age” referred to the first time everything comes together and sets the ideal standard for what is possible and most desired. In regards to UT Athletics, I’d have to give the nod to the 1940’s as the “Golden Age of Longhorns Sports.”

Bare with me because I’m too hungover and it’s way too early on Saturday for numbers, but I believe UT had it rolling in all the big collegiate sports of the time – Football, Baseball, Track, and to some extent, Basketball – throughout the early part of the Post WWII era. By the late 1950’s, I think football took center stage and while the other sports were still decent, they paled in comparison and just didn’t get the same amount of attention or resources that football did. I believe the prevailing thought at the time was that it would be of more beneficial to the overall athletics department and image of the school to put their resrouces towards being the best at one high profile sport (football) rather than be above average in the rest. And I can’t argue with that considering we’d just come out of the Great Depression and that model was and has been quite successful in putting several schools on the map in their chosen sports. Though if you didn’t put all your eggs into football or basketball back then, I’d say you’re probably still struggling for attention today.

Fast Forward to the Ots…Deloss has built an absolute juggernaut of an athletics program by leveraging the profits from the football program to raise the level of a select number of other sports programs. I say select because we’re still not trying to be the best in all NCAA sports (no soccer, wrestling, lacrosse, hockey, etc.) Focussing is still key to our strategy, but because of greater resources, it can be on more sports.

Back to the original question of whether or not this is the “Golden Age of UT Sports?” If your definition is overall success, I’d say yes because the overall output over the past ten years is unprecedented.

However, if your definitioin of “Golden Age” is more ideals driven, I’d say it was the 1940’s because of the relative purity and newness of the overall success. I’m not saying they didn’t need money and resources back then to be good, but now it’s an abosolute prerequiste to have the finest facilities and a war chest of financial backing to truly compete for an extended period of time. So if I was to refer the last ten or so years of UT sports as anything, I’d probably call it the “Platinum Age.” It’s golden all right, just more expensive and harder to acquire.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 28, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is under appreciated

  Sports is like politics it takes money to win. To be consistently good and win, the piles of dough have to be spent well and Deloss Dodds does exactly that. Top recruits go where they get the best opportunities and the money makes sure Texas offers the best package of opportunities in the country .

  Making sure the package of opportunities is developed, run and free from NCAA infractions is huge job for all the sports offered at UT and you have to look to AD Dodds as then one reason it all works like it does.

 

by Xerxes on Mar 28, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to think....

I wanted him to die in a car fire around 1995. But 2 – 3 great hires in the 1998 time frame has made him a legend. I think the problems early in the Dodd’s era were he could not make the necessary decision HE wanted. He had to make the people with the money happy. Now that the Longhorn Foundation has the money in one spot and he controls it, he does not have to directly answer to the different factions as much. Thank the Lord that we don’t get everything we ask for.

We're Texas...and you're NOT

by Bevoboy94 on Mar 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How long will this Golden Age last? As long as we continue to get the Golden Athletes.

In thinking about PB’s question regarding how long this "Golden Era" will last, the only way I could think to respond is to start by asking why the athletics program (namely football because it drives and pays for everything) ever got so down in the first place in the 1980’s. I think the comments above about Coaching are dead on and once Brown and Barnes leave (and more importantly, Deloss), I think all bets are off. But in addition to or as a copmliment to coaching, I think the name of the game is still recruiting.

Below are the three main factors I feel determine long term success of a college athletics program and not surprisingly they all directly effect RECRUITING:

Coaching/Innovation – As long as our coaching staffs are pushing the envelope on the latest offensive tactics (i.e. the spread in football) and thinking of ways to capture the attention and interest of the best recruits, we’ll be in good shape. (Nebraska has hit a dry spell because they didn’t adapt and stayed loyal to the running game too long).

Expansion – We laugh at the size of the our latest Jumbotron and don’t even blink anymore when we hear word that the football stadium is adding 15,000 more seats. But it’s no accident that this latest Golden Era of success has come with a ton of expansion. There is definitely an arms race going on in college sports and it’s why the first question prospective coaching hires ask Athletic Directors is: "how are you planning to build, rennovate, expand the current facilities? (Look at what Baylor is doing right now).

NCAA Regulation – I need to be careful how I phrase this because I’m talking way out of my depth here and a lot of what I’m about to say is pure conjecture…but I believe one of the primary reasons UT football hit a dry spell in the mid to late 1980’s as well as early 90’s is other schools in our conference (namely A&M under Jackie Sherill) became really good at cheating to get recruits or at least better at cheating than UT was (nobody in the SWC in the 80’s was clean). Now an Aggie would respond to that by saying, "you arrogant UT ass, it had more to do with Coaches Sherril and Slocum being better than coaches Akers and McWilliams," and there is a lot of truth to that. But you’ve still got to get the recruits or it doesn’t matter how good the coach is. (Don’t quote me on this, but I think the scandal starting to erupt over UCONN basketball recruiting infractions is just the tip of the iceberg…if you’ve ever been to Storrs, CT, you’d know what I was talking about.)

Back to the question at hand…as long as the NCAA remains hyper-vigilant about recruiting and the current playing field (fair or not) remains the same with coaching coupled with facilities determining what school a recruit selects more so than pay-offs (or Big Red Sports Cars), I think we’ll be in good shape.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree with you about Nebraska...

I think they hit a dry spell because of the formation of the Big 12 and the lack of a native recruiting base. I think Tom Osborne would say the same thing. Outside of that, you’re dead on.

by ctex80 on Mar 28, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

There’s no doubt in my mind that the relative demise the Big XII North has been experiencing is no accident and probably has a lot to do with the South schools doing a much better job tapping Texas high schools for most if not all of their top talent over the last decade since the Big XII was formed.

If it keeps going like this, we may see a day when Big XII North schools splinter off, but I think they’re starting to adjust and find other avenues. Attracting better coaches to their schools will help a lot I’m sure.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

about Nebraska (and Notre Dame as well)

I think I remember that they both took advantage of some type of exception involving incoming freshmen gpa requirements, or something like that. Shortly after the NCAA stepped in, both Holtz and Osbourn left, and both programs tailed off considerably. Does this sound familiar to anybody?

by hungry on Mar 29, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why cyclical?

Why does athletic excellence have to be cyclical? Is there some negative feedback mechanism that brings down good programs? There certainly doesn’t seem to be one that elevates bad programs like the cap and free agency do in the NFL.

In my view, success is systemic and, yes, we owe much to Deloss Dodds in that regard. Another factor is the appeal of Austin and the University itself. In the Dodds plan, we should always have the best coaches and the best facilities. Only a hiring mistake or a criminal violation could upset that. The only real threat is more opponents taking the same approach and competing for talent.

BTW: I think Michigan probably also belongs on the list of elites. They absolutely own college hockey.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Mar 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

85 Scholarships

I think the 85 scholarship-liimit is the college football version of a salary cap and has evened the playing field quite a bit since the 60’s and 70’s…Freshmen being able to start and contribute right away (not wanting to wait behind someone elsewhere) and the proliferation of television exposure for just about all the D-1 football conference has helped too.

The Big Boys sill dominate, but the Utah’s, TCU’s, and South Florida’s of the CFB world are making noise.

So to answer your question, I think it depends on the NCAA and what new rules they may implement down the road. The more they push for parity like in Pro Football, then the more I think you’ll see cycles of success.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 28, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches

I think it is really easy to underestimate how hard it is to hire the right coach and keep them for the correct amount of time. Mack Brown has been great because he is a great coach and recruiter and fits in well with the university and its environs. There are not many people that can balance the requirements of being both a good-ole-boy and fitting in with the liberal university and Austin environment.

As much success on-court and recruiting as Coach Barnes has had, he doesn’t seem to be able to inspire warm-and-fuzzy feelings about himself in a community that expects to have fond feelings towards its coaches. This lack of fondness results in Barnes and the basketball program being undervalued.

The other issue is getting coaches out the door at the right time. Coach Conradt had huge success and was a much-loved figure, but I don’t know anyone that thought she should have stayed as long as she did. Women’s b-ball is in spotty shape because we had a great coach that turned into a mediocre coach/AD who stayed too long.

by Kineslaw on Mar 28, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to get into the

golden age issue . . . As to football and basketball being recession-proof, yes, I think it’s possible — at Texas and a select few large state universities (plus maybe USC and Notre Dame).

Sustaining Top 10-level success in these two sports is relatively simple if you’re Texas. You need excellence in two areas: make intelligent hires and recruit like mad. UT has the massive advantage of homegrown football (and, to an extent) basketball talent. Win the recruiting battles in the state and you’ll never be down. Yes, Rick Barnes has recruited nationally, as do all successful hoops programs. But the core of his program has been Texas talent.

The key is the next AD. Deloss Dodds has made great hires of late. But he did not hit home runs with some of his early coaching calls. What you do is hire somebody who has a . . . BIG LETTERS NOW, proven track record. Not McWilliams off one year at Tech. Not Weltlich because he was a Knight disciple. Your head coach must have built, or rebuilt, a program at a high (but not quite UT) level. Best if the coach took a down program, made it successful and kept it there (to avoid the flash in the pan that Gillispie may have been at A&M).

The HCIW concept is sound. I’d be more comfortable if Muschamp had been a HC somewhere, if he’d built a Utah or Cincinnati into a power, but I think it was a good call. It’d be good if Dodds (or his successor) could line up Barnes’ replacement, and Augie’s should be in waiting already.

by edsp on Mar 28, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Simple but not easy...

Thought the McWilliams hire was premature and only believe in the Muschamp HCIW “commitment” for the stability it brings to recruiting and to the team today. Having a succession plan is great and holds a lot of promise for the future but, again, nothing is guaranteed. Living in Michigan for the past 15 years I’ve watched the UM program and their commitment to hire “Michigan Men” force the football program to redefine success in ways that drove their most passionate alumni crazy. Great tradition, good kids, a lot of pride but they’ve been humbled time and again long before the abomination of last year.

It can happen here. These times and these men and women are truly special, and Texas is a great place to find and develop talent but I hope we never take greatness for granted.

by utexas87 on Mar 29, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post...

…it’s pretty clear that to experience a “golden age” at a school, you need both A+ funding and an A+ ability to hire good coaches. You need the money to build the facilities and pay big-time coaches, but no matter how much money you have, clearly you have to possess an ability to hire coaches that are a) really good at their jobs, b) able to focus on long-term goals and take no shortcuts, and c) able to keep their noses (mostly) clean and not get the program into long-term trouble. Without the right coaches, the money doesn’t matter.

At Missouri, we’re in a position to find out how much you can succeed with A-level coaches and only B-level money. We’ve won more combined football and basketball games this year than we ever have before, and the 18 months since Rock M Nation’s creation have been arguably (or, really, unarguably) the most successful 18 months the Missouri athletic department as a whole has ever seen. (Personally, I credit RMN for Mizzou’s success, ahem, but that’s just me.) Funding is currently at least a slight issue, and we’ll never have Texas-sized money, but there’s no question that both Gary Pinkel and Mike Anderson are as classy as successful coaches can be, and they’ve slowly built their respective programs for potential long-term success.

We’ll see how far Mizzou falls in football this year—clearly there will be a step backwards, but recruiting and facilities continue to seem to improve, so hopefully 2009 will just be a building process toward 2010 and 2011—and we’ll see if a) Mike Anderson is still on the sidelines at Norm Stewart Court next year (My bet: he most certainly will be), and b) if Mizzou takes a step backwards while transitioning in leadership from Carroll-Lyons-Lawrence to the current precocious class of freshmen (My bet: a step backwards in 2009-10, but still tourney-level success). If 2009-10 is a transition year for Mizzou athletics, with eyes on major success from 2010 to 2012, then this could be an extended “golden age” of sorts for Mizzou as well. But clearly only a few programs—and Texas is clearly at the top of the list—have the funds to succeed at the national-title level in both major sports and a majority of smaller sports, and the fact that Dodds seems to have found his rhythm in terms of talent evaluation of coaches, means that Texas’ success should continue for a while, at least until Brown and Barnes are gone.

Rock M Nation
Thrust nunchuk upward!

by Bill C. on Mar 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

History

Using history as our guide, I dont believe that any program at any university is recession proof. I would love to be wrong, but FSU, Penn State, and ND football and UNC basketball under Roy Williams predecessor (I forget his name) tell me that even the might eventually come back to the pack.

by PineypointG on Mar 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's this simple

You’re way overthinking this. It’s this simple.

1967. I enroll at UT and starting the next year we reel off 30 victories in foo’ball.

1977. I move to SF and adopt the 49ers when they are wallowing in misery. They become perennial Super Bowl winners.

2004. I tell my wife that if we move back to Texas, UT will win a national championship in foo’ball and KU (her team) one in basketball.

Just to show I ain’t woofin’, I’ll go on record. Next five years: UT foo’ball plays in the national title game twice (w/ the possibility of victories), roundball plays in the Final Four or better twice, and b’ball takes the CWS once and comes close two other times.

Now, understand, that’s IF I decide to stay here in Texas. You guys wanting a golden era, all you need to do is chip in and pay me to stay.

by Oldtime Horn on Mar 28, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me.

I'll never forget ol' what's-his-name.

by Horntod on Mar 28, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How old are you

and can we just bury you here?

Just kidding.

by Horncasting on Mar 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is what it is

Many factors coalesced to produce the perfect golden storm we are enjoying right now. Certainly it has the appearance of a golden age for Texas sports, and perhaps it is just that.

Correlation is not causality. But still, it is unlikely we would be asking this question if it were not for TJ, Kevin and Vince. And it might be just that simple, regardless of the many other deserving factors in the equation.

by utexex on Mar 28, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

AD and coaching

Texas Monthly had a fascinating article on this in their November 2008 issue. Title IX had a massive impact on NCAA sports. As noted in the various posts above, Texas approach was to limit the number of sports that we play in…and be in serious contention to win it all, every year, in every sport we play. This means hiring the best coaches…coaches that know their x’s and o’s, recruit well, and be an ambassador of Texas and the sport. The first two are fairly obvious. Being an ambassador is about getting people to want to be associated with UT. In terms of recruiting, it’s particularly clear with the 2010 class the MB is building off of the 2009 class. This also includes the recruits that don’t make it to Texas because of scholarship limits or because another program fits their situation better…such as Devon Kennard, Dre Kirkpatrick, and Jarvis Jones…aside from the theatrics, they had nothing but good thoughts of Texas. It’s about keeping a clean program. It’s about recruiting parents. And it’s about recruiting companies that want to be associated with UT…which leads to money and the financial juggernaut that DD has built to build the best facilities and hire the best coaches that fit the criteria. The football program is the financial linchpin as it draws funds(directly from tickets, bowls games, tv revenue, etc, and indirectly by other corporate buy ins, merchandise, etc.) to all the other less profitable programs. Men’s basketball program under Barnes has been profitable lately, but not sure about the other men’s and women’s programs. Sustained bad pr can throw a wrench into the entire process. Think of a longer, protracted, sustained summer of 2007…parents wouldn’t want their kids coming to Texas and companies would be less inclined to be associated with Texas. I know we’re talking about UT sports, but it shouldn’t be discounted that Texas has amazing academic program, particularly at a public university, which makes it all the easier to recruit corporate sponsors. Now, I don’t foresee this happening with Muschamp as hciw. He fits the criteria with my only concern of how the offensive personnel (coaches and players) view him, but otherwise he’s a very high energy motivator, fluid x’s and o’s, and personable recruiter as noted by 2009 late recruit hit and misses. If Barnes was closer to retiring and/or leaving, we should probably find a hciw for him as well, but I don’t think that’s happening anytime soon. Other than the slip up this year, Augie has also been nothing short of great following Gustafson. Same could be said on the women’s side with Coach G following Conradt in basketball and Elliott following Haley in volleyball.

The pride and winning tradition of The University of Texas will not be entrusted to the weak or the timid.

Hook'em

by longhorns1 on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever heard of a paragraph?

Hit enter a few times in there and I might read that. I bet it was profound and insightful.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on Mar 28, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ambiguous form of communication....

It is hard to read the tone of the post unless you are as talented a writer as 54b and few others.

I was trying for lighthearted and funny. No disrespect intended.

And I was right, it was insightful.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on Mar 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything is cyclical

Though on average Texas should be in better shape than most programs, given that fact that we are “uniquely situated,” it won’t necessarily always be this way.

I remember reading an article in some college football magazine — I don’t remember which — sometime in the mid-1990s, about how some former major college football powerhouses needed to accept the fact that the game had passed them by and that it was never going to be the 1960s/1970s again and that they were destined to be mediocre until the end of time. The two programs the author most focused on? Texas and USC.

We’ll be in good shape so long as Brown and Barnes are around. But afterward? There’s always the chance that a program like ours that will have the pick of the litter for replacements will make the wrong call (see: Kentucky in basketball) even if everyone agrees at the time of the hire that it was a good decision.

Texas also runs the risk of undue political interference once Brown/Barnes and, perhaps most importantly, Dodds move along. There will be a power vacuum, and perhaps one too many boosters and/or legacy Athletic Department employees will be seeking to fill the void. (Maybe we’ll have the long-awaited steel-cage match between Hicks and Jamail!) It might not be a bad idea to start establishing a Muschamp-like succession plan for Dodds as well so that the risk of a power vacuum being filled improperly decreases.

by Hopkins Horn on Mar 29, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A few additional comments...

1) I wonder if the fear of making the “wrong call” on a new coaching hire is part of the reason Penn State has been reluctant to replace Paterno…the success JoePa has had of late lends a lot of credence to tje “everything is cyclical” theory. Though I’m sure the folks at FSU are wondering when and if Bowden will make another serious title run.

2) Dodds credits finding a way to subdue the “undue political interference” from boosters as one of the reasons for his success at Texas in that Texas Monthly article about the current state of the UT Athletics program published last year. And I agree that establishing a Mushchamp-like succession plan for Dodds is probably a good idea and who knows, there may just be a plan that revolves around Mack taking over already in place.

Can great coaches make for great Athletic Directors? I’d like to think so, but it seems like it would be hard for them to let go of the day-to-day running of the football program and I’m sure the new head coach would find it somewhat difficult working in the ever present shadow of a legend.

I’m sure there are a ton of examples, but I can’t really think of any off the top of my head…Bo Schembechler/Lloyd Carr at Michigan maybe.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nebraska?

isn’t osborne still AD over there? i guess it’s only been a year so no real measure of success there for us to consider. but he seems to be a bit more involved in the football program over there than the usual AD.

by greenman on Mar 30, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missed the obvious one

Good call…Pelini seems to have the Corn headed in the right direction and seems to be doing well with Osborne as AD. Though I’d say his honeymoon period is over and the fans up there will expect a Big XII North crown at the very least this year. If he doesn’t deliver, you might hear a few calls for Osborn take over again as head coach, especially if Snyder has a lot of success on his second tour at K-State.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 30, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easily Undone

PB, great job & thought provoking.

I’ve watched this sports program in earnest for the last 40 of my 49 years. My answer is that we are indeed in a Golden Age, of which I’ve enjoyed tremendously. But all our good work could be easily undone. We should never, ever take our success for granted and always hunger and thirst for more.

by HalfmileHorn on Mar 30, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PB - The Magazine

PB,
I hate to bug you. As an older dude I forget things now & then. I want to be front & center when the preseason magazine comes out. Any idea on timing?

by HalfmileHorn on Mar 31, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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