Texas Ranked Number 1
I come from California to tell you we have recently ranked Texas number one. I did an informal fanpost/poll over at california golden blogs asking Cal fans to list the five teams they would most want to play (home and home series). Texas was the winner, in addition to the big name appeal, we apparently know how to hold a grudge. Anyway, I didn't come here to start trouble, but I thought you might find it interesting. Here is the link:
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2009/5/14/875727/the-5-teams-i-most-want-cal-to-play
At the bottom, did some basic math that was accurate as of 5 minutes ago.
Enjoy!
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I think it’s funny how much Cal fans hate us for going to the Rose Bowl over them in 2004. Can anyone honestly blame a coach for lobbying to get his team into a big game?
And Cal lost any rights to bitch about not getting into the game when they got pummeled by an 8-4 Texas tech…
Yes, Mack Brown’s a…you get the point. No tears were shed when OU was picked to be the team to get waxed by Florida.
We’d respect your team if you actually played someone decent OOC.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
well..
when you you play in good conference, you can be more flexible with the OOC games.
your ooc was no better that year with the mighty new mexico state, airforce, and southern miss… very respectable ooc indeed.
by Displaced Longhorn on May 20, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
shall we review UT’s this past year? How about 2009?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=251
@ Wyoming…lol wut
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
which has absolutely nothing to do with 2004, the year the decision was made as to why Texas would go over Cal to the Rose Bowl… lol wut?
by Displaced Longhorn on May 20, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
People complained about it which is fine. Hating Bob Stoops and Oklahoma for lobbying to get in the game would no be ridiculous. We do hate Stoops and Oklahoma for other reasons though ;).
Frankly, nobody here gives a shit whether the fans of a third rate program like CAL respects us. I think being a contender for the National Championship every single year and 3 BCS Bowl Game wins warrants respect, but y’all have a right to your own opinions, even if the qualifier for respect is preposterous.
A smart coach will make a OOC schedule that gives them the best chance of achieving their end season goals. Because the Big 12 has national respect as one of the top two conferences, we do not need a as strong OOC schedule, unlike say the PAC 10 which is generally seen as being on the weaker side, where a big OOC game is necessary in order to get into the top games.
Just as a reference, here are the Strength of Schedule rankings for last season:
http://www.solecismic.com/frontier/sos9.php
16. Texas
28. California
then why do you reply?
Shouldn’t that be the Mythical National Championship.
I’m so glad the Niners passed on Orakpo by the way. Whew!
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
I am glad they passed on Orakpo as well.
The 49ers suck hardcore. I much rather him go play beside Haynesworth. Saying you are glad the niners passed on them is not going to stir us up. Most of us are cowboys fans and hate the Niners.
You guys should be pissed at Michigan, not Texas. I think UT proved which team out of UM and UT deserved to be in that Rose Bowl.
Heck, that’s not even getting into the Holiday Bowl result discussion…
by burntorangehorn on May 20, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Why all the bitching about the 2004 Rose Bowl???! They were spanked by Tech. What makes them think they could have beaten Michigan? IF they blown out Tech that year, I could understand their frustration.
by LonghorninRaiderland on May 20, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
wind was long gone out of their sails by the time the Holiday Bowl rolled around. To judge them based on that performance isn’t just.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
That is crap
If you’re going to say they were so wounded by not getting into the Rose Bowl that they decided not to show up for the game they DID get invited to, then they’re not men, they’re little girls. Whiny little girls. Man up and play football. And get some self-respect while you’re at it. You didn’t see Texas rolling over and allowing Ohio State to beat them last year just because they felt they got shafted.
Our WR were depleted as well. Still not much of an excuse.
Unleash the Honk! Train. Honk Honk.
by rollonubears on May 22, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
agree
they got whipped by a 3rd-4th place Big 12 team
I think it'd be great to do home/home w/ Cal
I’ve spent a good deal of time in the Bay Area and still have family and friends there. I’d make that trip in a heartbeat
+1
I’d make that trip too, in a blink of an eye.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on May 20, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
“success” has nothing to do with it (nice OOC schedule and squeeker over tOSU).
We’re not envious. We’re pissed off and ready to scrap.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Ready to scrap?
I thought you Berkely boys were pacifists…light up a fatty and go have a sit-in at Jeff Tedford’s office. It’ll make you feel better.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
Impressive
Too bad he doesn’t teach your girls’ basketball team the “shaving technique.”
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on May 20, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, I'm pretty sure...
Lady Bics have been outlawed on your campus for quite some time.
But you try to drive the paint against Sasquatch some time and you’ll begin to see the forest for the tree huggers.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on May 20, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arkansas
wasn’t suppose to be easy. Texas can’t help the coach left along with D. McFadden and Felix Jones. I would love to see Cal or even USC play in the Big 12 South every year..Cal needs to worry about not getting humiliated by USC every year and forget about 2004.
I’m not here to start an internet flame war, I just curious to see the response, but I do agree with your comments regarding OOC scheudling. The best you can hope for is schedule good schools from good conferences and hope that when you actually play them (several years down the line) they are good. Everyone also says, play Michigan, Alabama, Florida, SC… etc. but the reality is those teams can’t play everyone every year.
They're after our precious bodily fluids
and your rationale for the pathetic scheduling in 2009? Wait, let me…
“ZOMG WYOMING’S GOING TO BE SO HARD THIS YEAR! THEY JUST BEAT THE VOLS LAST YEAR! I HOPE THE POLLS WILL RECOGNIZE OUR DIFFICULT SCHEDULE!!!
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Troll, dude.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
lol…yeah, I suppose I can see that point. Really though, I speak da truth.
LOLGOLONGHORNS! HOOKEMHORNS! BEAT ZEROU!
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
really?
We beat OU and the Big 10 champ last year, what did Cal do? Of course you are envious, we have won a National Championship and 3 BCS bowls in the last 5 years.
You guys on that left coast are still bitching about “when you almost made it a BCS game” 5 years ago….its sad really
I'd take them over our current OOC schedule (at leas tuntil we play UCLA).
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Dangit. I should've said I'd rather play Stanford...haha.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
This post got me excited
well at least the title did. I thought it was going to be a link to some random sport we were dominating. I would love to play Cal, but not for any hate reasons. I don’t understand how they can still hate us for 2004. We won our bowl game, and they lost to Tech, a team that we stomped. I am guessing this was the last time the Cal football program was relevant to the top 5 teams so they are a little butt hurt about the issue.
There's definitely a good deal of misplaced anger
I don’t understand how they can still hate us for 2004.
The issue is not so much the BCS snub, but missing out on the Rose Bowl in particular. Texas filled our Rose Bowl slot, the one we have waited so long for (the drought is now at an even 50 years), and they did it not by beating us on the field, or even beating anyone on the field, but by lobbying a bunch of writers and coaches to change their minds while the team sat around and didn’t have to play anyone.
Did Texas have a great team in 2004? Definitely. Were they deserving of a BCS bid? Sure. Did Cal crap out in the Holiday Bowl because they were disappointed to be there? I don’t think there’s much doubt. Does any of this assuage Cal fan’s anger? Not at all.
If you want a sober, rational reaction to events outside our control, college football fans are probably the last place to look. We’ll get over it when we finally make an appearance in the Rose Bowl.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
It wasn't ya'lls spot
That spot goes to the winner of the Pac 10 which was USC. Once they were put in the national championship game that spot became an at large bid, meaning any team can be slotted there no matter what conference. Ya’ll had a good team, we had a good team. Sorry ya’ll got snubbed, but thats the BCS for you. Don’t hate Texas because of the crappy BCS system. Hate the BCS system, or better yet hate USC for beating ya’ll every year and earning their spot in the Rose Bowl. I am glad Mack lobbied to get us in that game, he finally showed some balls. On top of that we proved that we belonged there. I think the whole let down excuse is lame. We got let down this year and didn’t get a bid to the Big XII championship, or the national championship, and we still came out and won our bowl game. BCS or not, those games are disappointing when you expect better. BCS bowl games are a joke, the only one that matters is the NCG.
Well, I applaud you for continuing to make rational arguments towards a fanbase that is decidedly irrational on this subject. What you might not understand is that the Rose Bowl has been so long a coveted chimera for Cal fans that, should the Bears somehow have the conference’s automatic BCS berth locked up with a game to go, many would rather see Cal choke away a chance at a national title game just so that the team could finally play in a Rose Bowl. When you say that that the only game that matters is the NCG, you are correct, but that’s not how longtime Cal fans see it, and for you to dismiss the other BCS games (including the Rose Bowl) as a joke only serves to fuel our anger.
Of course it wasn’t really ‘our’ spot. Of course the BCS sucks for letting teams like a crappy 9-4 Pitt play in the Fiesta Bowl while Cal and Texas, with one loss apiece, have to fight it out for a single at-large slot. Of course Mack Brown wasn’t trying to screw over Cal so much as he was advocating for his own team, and the Bears were collateral damage at best. These things are true, but they don’t make Cal fans feel any better.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
What ragnarok is saying is
Rachel’s death was Commissioner Gordon’s fault.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 20, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well go undefeated this year
That will solve both your problems, you get the national championship game and the rose bowl. And we will see you there.
You must live in the real world, or something. I’m trying to tell you that Cal fans have not had a balanced sense of reality in quite some time.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Misplaced Anger
I don’t blame Cal fans for still being upset over getting snubbed by the BCS in 2004…they were deserving of an invite, but no more so than Texas was that year.
But Cal fans ought to direct their ire towards the BCS system that rewarded an 8-4 Pittsburgh team and the 2-loss Michigan team we played with BCS bids over them that year.
Plus, it’s not like Texas hasn’t ever been on the short of end of the BCS stick and I don’t just mean this last season…there were a couple of Mack’s teams prior to 2004 that were eaisly worthy of a BCS bid. And that’s probably why he did lobby the voters in 2004.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
Cal
I would be mad too if it was the only time my team had a chance to play in a BCS game since the thing was created.
Whoa.
Went and read some of their comments, wow. Had no idea it still chapped their hides that bad. It would be great to settle this on the field and quiet down the Cal fans. It’s like they think Mack Brown is…bob stoops? I guess I can understand the animosity, just amazing how strong it still is. It’s not like they want to play us because Texas is, you know, GOOD, but just to satiate bitter emotions. Maybe they should worry about beating the good team in their own conference first and then talk Texas.
"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.
They’re just pissed because the California State Legislature pretty much guaranteed that CAL will never have an elite football program. California has strict limits on how much public employees are to be paid. As a result no Public College in California can afford no hire an Elite Football coach.
As a result they’re stuck on that one year where they almost made it. For some reason they’ve turned that disappointment into anger at Texas. I agree they should focus on beating USC first…
what? you have no clue. Our coaches make plenty of money and aren’t relegated to being stuck in the Southwest Conference.
I’m flying into the lovely metropolis of Houston on Friday. I feel so blessed.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Goo one.....like those of us that live in Houston don't already make fun of it....
at least it’s in Texas though….
by SneezyBeltran on May 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn’t (with good conscious) fly into George Bush International. Couldn’t do it. Instead, I’m going to Houston Hobby.
I’m going to Nacogdoches, TX for a funeral of a close friend. In fact, I think he’d be pretty pissed off that he was buried in Texas (he’s a born & raised Houstonian and vowed to never return).
However, I wish the trip did allow me to see Austin.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Carp if you want I can pick you up something from Austin, I’m going in two weeks.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on May 20, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's why.
Imagine your team hasn’t been to a BCS bowl for ten years. Every year you are beaten by aTm and UO and TTech for good measure. You’re a joke of a team in your conference. Making a bowl game is a one-in-five year experience, if you’re lucky. Sucks, right?
Ok now multiply that by five. Fifty years of this. You now have Cal.
Until Tedford…he cobbled together talent and made the team believe in themselves. I don’t want to speculate what the “ranking” of the 2001 recruiting class was, but trust me it wasn’t good. Nevertheless, the 2004 team put together a season the likes of which had not been seen since BEFORE Pearl Harbor. Team after team was demolished, EXCEPT for eventual MNC winner USC, which we thoroughly dominated in yardage and lost in the waning seconds of the 4th quarter. One of the early OOC games, against Southern Miss, is rescheduled to the end of a long season due to a hurricane. Cal beats Southern Miss, but not by a sexy margin. The team is now 10-1 with the only loss on the road by six points to the LeinartBushWhite monstrosity. The end of the half century Rose Bowl drought is palpable…
…until Mack Brown opens his fat mouth. Of course, Tedford could’ve whined equally hard and probably got some sympathy votes, too, but that just isn’t his style. Reward is given to the students for their effort on the field, not to the coach for his effort on the microphone.
That’s why Cal will be interminably pissed about 2004. The Rose Bowl was stolen from us for reasons completely out of the team’s control. The team and the fanbase gave their heart and soul after year after year of disaster and was a few pencil tick marks away from the promised land.
THAT is why we hate UT and Mack Brown.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Why you should not hate Mack Brown
This way posted on BON back before it was called BON, but it still is great (Not my original work):
The Pac 10 commish, the Cal coach, and many others are harping on some of the voting patterns that may have tainted the BCS. Let’s talk about it. Let me take item by item some of the problems that have been discussed (and I will make adjustments accordingly).
*You complain about the 3 Texas based AP voters who switched and put Texas ahead of Cal. I’m gonna switch it back for ya. (typing). There you go!
*You complain about the Alabama jerk who suddenly realized Texas is not the #9 team, but he suddenly moved us up to #5. Bear in mind, he still had Texas behind you guys, but what the hay? Let’s take away those four points from Texas, shall we?
*You are offended (and you have a case) that some coaches put Texas #2 or #3. You are right. That is wrong. I’m taking it all away. I will take away those points from Texas, and because y’all are so damn confident that you unequivocally outrank Texas, I will reassign all these #2/#3 Texas coach votes to Texas as a #5 vote. (More typing). There we go! And I’m being so nice today, I’m gonna go ahead and leave the pro-Cal #3 vote that mysteriously appeared in the final coaches poll.
*You are offended that 6 coaches put you #7 or #8. Yes, that’s wrong, too. Forget the fact that 8 coaches had Texas #7 or #8, the media is not mentioning that fact at all, but whatever. What I will do for y’all… I will take all 6 Cal #7/#8 votes, and because y’all are so convinced you are the better team, I will magically turn those into #4 votes, ahead of Texas.
So where do we stand after all these very generous changes?
- Texas 0.8442
- Cal 0.8397
0.0045
That’s right. We eliminated a little more than half of the difference. So much for the razor thin margin. So much for the conspiracy taking away your Rose Bowl bid. Y’all need to get together, figure out another injustice, and let me know, so we can try to plug a way for you guys to win.
OK. Now that I have mathematically shown (and given you all are very smart students at Berkeley, and you know based on what I said above, I’m right), let me give you all the reasons why you need to shut up already and just accept your damn Holiday Bowl bid.
1. The “Conspiracy Effect” Doesn’t Add Up
This is what was just proven above. In the end, it makes for a neat Trev Alberts, PTI, New York Times, Seattle Times story, but it didn’t really matter.
2. You Outranked Us in Both Human Polls
Al Gore wanted a recount, investigations, because he had LOST the human vote. You guys won it, damn it! Not only do you outrank us #4/#5 in the coach’s poll, but you have the added benefit of a wedge (Utah) to outrank us #4/#6 in the AP poll. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?? How can you allege fraud in the human polls, when in the end, they WENT IN YOUR FAVOR?
Forget the fact that both teams have identical records, and a good case to make as both teams lost to undefeated national title contenders. It’s understandable that some voters will vote Cal #4/Texas #5, and vice versa. If you refuse to accept that premise, you are being naive. It is not a slam dunk case, that in every voter’s mind, that you are better than Texas. You know it and we know it. I will never argue that every voter should have Texas higher than Cal, and you should never argue the opposite. It’s a grey area.
And in the end, the grey area was in your favor. You are unhappy, because it wasn’t overwhelmingly ENOUGH in your favor. Oh well.
3. There’s a reason the computers liked Texas
Cal’s cumulative opponents win/loss was 61-61, a perfect breakeven.
Texas’ cumulative opponents win/loss was 67-56, 11 games over 0.500
That’s right. The best way we can try to demote our schedule to your level, is to pull out the undefeated 12-0 record of our best opponent, Oklahoma. But given that you guys [censored] and [censored] and [censored] how close you came to beating your undefeated opponent, I don’t think we can accomodate you there.
We beat 5 teams that had 7 or more victories. You defeated one. One. One team that won 7 or more games.
4. Be fair about each of our losses.
I am more than willing to grant you that you played USC better than we played OU. But don’t go saying that you practically beat USC (because you outgained them, and your wideout tripped on his route), while we got blown out by OU. The score of the OU game at halftime was Oklahoma 3, Texas 0. It was Oklahoma 6, Texas 0 up until 8 minutes in the 4th quarter. I realize that given you are Pac 10 fans, you must shiver when you see such a defensive struggle. But this was a very close game.
Again, we did not do as well against our rival as you did against yours. You guys were close. But don’t go saying that we were blown out by OU.
5. Be fair about each of our sloppy wins.
Kansas. Boy, the media sure loves that game. We played sloppy in that one no doubt, but you guys know that as time was winding down, the Oregon WR dropped a wideopen, easy pass that puts them well within field goal range. So those are both near misses against sub-0.500 teams.
Arkansas. Well, I was happy with that one, it was an electric environment. It was probably closer than it should have been. Honestly, I do think this is a wash with your Southern Miss game. On the road, close at the end (game was nearly tied 17-16 with a mere 6 minutes left). But in the end, the better team won.
If you try to assert that any of our wins beyond KU and Arkansas were low quality or squeakers in nature, you are wrong (in my opinion). I attended and re-watched each of these games. Kansas and Arkansas made me sweat, but as the games concluded, none of the others were really in question, and they were all by reasonable victory margins. Yes, a comeback was needed against Okla State, but we won that game by 21 points.
6. Quit harping on the Big 10/Pac 10 sanctity crap.
For years, the Rose Bowl has been diligent in preserving tradition by always inviting the champion of the Big 10, to play the champion of the Pac 10.
Three teams: Michigan, Cal, and Texas. Only one of them meets this tradition, and last time I checked, that team is going to the Rose Bowl. Tell me, again, how the tradition is being violated.
7. Quit saying Mack Brown’s “whining” did the trick.
While you and Utah were off, and after we defeated a ranked A&M team in a rivalry game, Mack Brown made public statements asking for voters to reconsider their votes. Some have portrayed this as “whining,” some may say he was politicking, but whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter. He was certainly making an appeal to voters.
When the polls came out merely 2 days later (again bearing in mind that Texas beat a ranked team, Cal and Utah were off), here’s what happened: Cal GAINED 4 points relative to Texas in the human polls. Texas LOST ground after defeating a ranked team by 13pts, while Cal was off. If ANYTHING, the “whining” backfired. It clearly didn’t help.
Here’s a thought…. maybe Cal lost ground in the human polls in the following week (a full 9 days after Mack’s “whining”) because of a subpar performance against a mediocre conference USA opponent. Because they were virtually tied with Southern Miss with only 6 minutes remaining in the game. Not because of Mack’s “whining.” And if you think it is wrong for Cal to be penalized on ballots because they didn’t look good against a mediocre opponent — welcome to college football. Teams have constantly been tweaked because of soft performances. Nebraska, in 1997, lost considerable votes (relative to Michigan) when it needed some luck to squeak by Mizzou. The precedent is ample, and reasonable. In fact, Texas according to many voters was being penalized for its performance against Kansas. What goes around, comes around.
by Wells on May 20, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Some have portrayed this as "whining," some may say he was politicking, but whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter.
^^^statement negates post.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Why? That is actually the entire point
You can call it crying like a baby, it did not actually cost you the rose bowl.
That cannot be definitely shown from the data at hand…maybe had Mack not whined, Cal would have gained a lot MORE points and UT would have lost more in the final vote. By asking the media to “reconsider” their vote, perhaps voters took an extra glance at the records, noted Cal beat a mediocre opponent unsexily more recently than UT had. If that victory had been earlier in the year, who knows, it probably would have been well out of voters’ memory. And no matter how you paint it, getting shut out in a neutral location IS worse than losing by 6 to the eventual MNC winner.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
did you miss the first part of the post where they tweaked every ranking in cal’s favor, and cal still lost?
by Displaced Longhorn on May 20, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Asking voters to reconsider means all the votes could have been different…you would have to “tweak” every vote for this comparison to be valid…
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
the most “biased” in Texas’ favor votes were altered, the “neutral” votes were left in place.
by Displaced Longhorn on May 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
"neutral" votes were left in place
Exactly, we can’t have known if those votes would have remained neutral without Mack’s whining…
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
lol the very premise of the aforewritten BON argument was coulda shoulda woulda
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No need to even argue.
We won the game. Twice. And, we were able to beat the mentioned Leinart/Bush/White monster that is the real reason why Cal didn’t get into a Rose Bowl.
No, it really isn’t why Cal didn’t get into a Rose Bowl, but continue to think that, you’ll sleep easier.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I sleep fine. We don't dwell on bowl snubs from 5 years ago.
I recall we were snubbed in 2003, ended up in the Holiday Bowl and lost to Washington State. Nobody cared. After that game, we accordingly shut up because any argument we had that we were snubbed was lost when MIke Price’s guys beat us in San Diego. We aren’t still whining about whatever team that got in to the BCS that year over us. Instead, Mack rallied the troops and went on to win 2 straight BCS games and a MNC. He didn’t pull a Tedford and let the program slip into the middle of the conference. Our continued success allows us to forget about the 2003 season. Hopefully after another Sun Bowl or Emerald Bowl next season you guys will have the same luxury.
by the1austin on May 20, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He didn’t pull a Tedford and let the program slip into the middle of the conference.
lol.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I miss Cal winning a conference title somewhere?
All I remember about Cal since Aaron Rodgers is a win against a Tennessee team that went like 4-8. I’m pretty sure the Emerald Bowl doesn’t get the Pac 10’s #2 team.
lol, coulda shoulda woulda in favor of Cal…. in which the voting already was. your fail team didn’t make it to the rose bowl and then “lost focus” and lost to a team that proved to be better on the field than the best team Cal’s fielded in years.
pathetic.
by Displaced Longhorn on May 20, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
As I’ve posted above, these are all good arguments, and Cal fans really have no rational cause to hate on Mack Brown. But this is college football, and this is the internet, and rationality really doesn’t often enter into the equation. It’s a good, old-fashioned hatred borne out of a perceived slight, and that the culprit has been misidentified is really besides the point.
I understand all those arguments, and I tell you that Cal fans still do not see it that way, and most likely never woll. What part of ‘irrational hatred’ don’t you understand?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Isn’t that redundant? What is rational hatred?
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 20, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I realize that given you are Pac 10 fans, you must shiver when you see such a defensive struggle
You realize that Pac-10 defenses are probably 400 times better than Big-12 defenses? You guys have the advantage on offense but certainly not on defense.
Unleash the Honk! Train. Honk Honk.
by rollonubears on May 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The new math of Berkeley
5 × 5 = 50
Making a bowl game is a one-in-five year experience, if you’re lucky. Sucks, right?
Ok now multiply that by five. Fifty years of this.
Fortunately, the first part of that post allows the math to work.
Imagine your team hasn’t been to a BCS bowl for ten years
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I love intelligent debate!
Unleash the Honk! Train. Honk Honk.
by rollonubears on May 20, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ZING
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Zing lol
here’s an idea just give the rose bowl spot to the second best pac 10 team and then maybe juuuuuust maybe we don’t have to hear this anymore.
If 35 was greater than 45 then we live in Norman.
We also could give the MNC spot to the 2nd place Big 12 team and not have to listen to you guys bitch and moan about beating UO, too.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 22, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I still hate Aaron Rodgers
For saying we didn’t belong, and I root for him to fail out of the NFL every time I see him play.
Grudges go both ways!
by BoddickerIsClutch on May 20, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Cal is like a lawn chair
folding under pressure…every single time.
I'm not sure
But didn’t Texas get screwed over by the BCS the year before? That seemed to be the bigger motivator to put UT in the Rose Bowl than any of Mack’s personal pleas.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions
“Screwed” is highly relative.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a tough situation for them. Longhorns were expected to go to the BCS in 2003 but got leapfrogged in some bizarre situation. Can’t remember the specifics, I think it was because Kansas State beat up on Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game and took Texas’s at large bid.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 20, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its the length of time thing for me. It’s like you’re a POW for ten years and all you want to do when you get back is have sex with your wife but it turns out she married another dude…..a week before you get back.
CGB: Our points are reliable. Our logic is infallible. Our past records are illogical. And our ham is dynamite!
by Spazzy Mcgee on May 20, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay...
So the wife is the BCS, the dude is Texas…who’s holding me prisoner?
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 20, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s a football coach, not a dark wizard who’s put a taboo on his name.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Yeah, it's not like he teaches the scalping technique...
Your rugby coach on the other hand…Carp said he was a Level 4 Dragon Slayer… whatever that means.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
Carp is a former cal rugby player
So he probably believes that Jack Clark can slay dragons and save the world if he wanted to.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 20, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that explains why he landed...
the part of the hunter in Harry and the Hendersons.
Was decent batting clean up for the Cardinals too.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
heh…not that Jack Clark…Coach Clark has created a Cal Rugby dynasty

I like to think he teaches our 3-4 rush OLBs of the future the Pain Train technique:
1) run as fast as you can to the QB. If need be, merely push over the tackle.
2) as you near the QB, release a wild Banshee yell.
3) hit the QB with your helmet first. Attempt to strip the ball but not at the expense of F = ma.
4) talk shit in QB’s earhole
5) grab his privates. Twist.
6) Scalp ‘em
7) Urinate in his skull that’s now leaking dura mater.
8) Repeat on next down.
or, in video format:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxINuJbt4OY
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Recs2T_k4Uo
Start at about the 1:40 mark.
Guess we all like to hit the crap out of that guy.
Yeah, that's a win.
good showing
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on May 21, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
nice string of hits, and a good win, i dont think any of them had as nice a hit as sergio did.
to continue with the mcgee beatdown, here’s another fav.
by Displaced Longhorn on May 21, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
What about step #9...
9) Hit the showers after the game and repress latent homosexuality by avoiding eye contact after dropping the soap at the expense of Newton’s Law of Gravity
And I doubt Jack Clark could teach OLB Terry Tate how to put a cover sheet on his TPS reports…though he does look a lot like the plumber from Naughty Nurses IV
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on May 20, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry for the dickheadedish responses
my points are valid though. Thanks y’all for not giving me the Bruinsnation boot.
To offer a truce, I bring anti-Oklahoma funnies:


Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
by carp on May 20, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I like McCoy over Bradford too. However, we’re hoping the Heisman goes to Jahvid Best.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
My hatred of Oklahoma began with my mother. Not that my mother is from Oklahoma, nor do I hate my mother. But my mother can not sing, to the point that when my brothers and I were sung to as a baby we would respond by crying…. EVERY TIME. She used to love the song Oklahoma and would sing it incessantly. Therefore, ever since I was little, I held my dislike of her singing against the state of Oklahoma.
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by chowder on May 20, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate Oklahoma so much...
when my family and I drove through that wretched state to get to Missouri from Texas, I refused to spend a single dime there. We stayed in a hotel, gassed up, and ate breakfast just south of the Red River (in Gainesville), stopped in Norman to take a crap, stopped in Braman to piss, then got lunch and gas in Kansas.
Hook 'em Horns
no joke
this is the longest thread i have read outside of 40AS’s baseball write-ups. plus, all the Mack Brown hate is getting me pumped for the RRS.
I would love to play Cal, what with their large ocean, strong academics, and good weather…
by The Mack Attack on May 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i'll pass,thanks.
i’ve been dropping in periodically throughout to check on it…but no more.
by The Mack Attack on May 20, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this an accurate representation of Longhorn Fan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgKT25J6hd8&feature=related
Courtesy of “CowboyTD”
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
California
although I’m sure its been mentioned, Cal= no championships. Texas=4 Championships. Cal=0 BCS bowl wins, Texas=3 BCS Bowl wins. Oh yeah, and we can actually beat USC.
Ian Johnson gets on one knee.
Sam Bradford gets on both.
Are you talking about National Championships?
Because Cal does have a few of those…just not recent ones. No one is disputing that the Longhorns have had a much more impressive football team over the last half century or so, but it’s not like Cal has no football history to speak of.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
not really..
dude is 15 and does not represent us all
by vy til i die on May 20, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Cal has as many wins over USC since 2003 as Texas does, you just have the luxury of not being in their conference. Also when you do play them, Reggie Bush laterals the ball to you for no reason. God that was a stupid play.
you just have the luxury of not being in their conference
did you miss that part of what he said?
The The is above upsets.
If only satire...
were capable of inspiring actual change. But alas, it is not.
by BrooklynHorn on May 20, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
this may be too late to be funny
but in reference to the Cal womens basketball team…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7iT-08Botg&feature=related
No, it's still funny...
…I just want to know why it took Jack Clark two and half years to get that grape nut girl down from living in that tall Redwood Tree. She couldn’t have weighed more than a buck o-five subsisting on berries and rain water.
And when you take into account the fact that Jack had the scalping technique at his disposal and Carp said his Moustache shits bigger than Chuck Norris’ beard…you just got wonder how Moonbeam was able to thwart his advances for so long.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
STOP THE INSANITY!!!
Look, everybody for the answer to the Texas v. Cal Debate look no further than this.
And then click on this.
by the1austin on May 20, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Just Curious
Who would you most want Texas to play? Florida, LSU, Notre Dame, SC, Ohio St., have a second Oklahoma game?
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Got to give us more context
If we’re talking 2009 with all that’s happened…I would love nothing more than to meet Florida in the BCS and give all the ESPN pundits, who by then will have tried to convince the sports loving world that Tim Tebow sits at the right hand of the Father, another big shit burger to eat.
We’ll take care of OU and Bradford in October, no need to play them twice in one calendar year.
If you’re asking the question above in a vacuum (or the vortex created when Jack Clark doubles down on a bowl of frijoles), I’d go with Notre Dame…there’s just something about playing the God Squad.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
This thread is amazing, by the way.
Perhaps we should adopt Cal as our sister school – what a massive hippie drum circle that would be.
Seriously
This is reducing down into a nice, “When’s Football” redux.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on May 21, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
You'll have to adopt Oregon as well.
We’ve nabbed them as “UC Eugene.”
http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2009/1/19/728645/dbd-1-20-09-i-claim-this-l
"Today's weather, excessively violent with a chance of dismemberment. Tune in later for our 5-day forecast!"
~ Three Dog - Fallout 3
Florida to let everyone know who should’ve been in the championship last year.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on May 20, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions
you could have...
MICHAELCRABTREEDEFENSECOUGH?
Alternatively, they could have scheduled a decent OOC team to help boost the SOS.
For every Longhorn fan who wants to bitch, just realize you didn’t do everything you were supposed to do (and you barely beat tOSU).
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Also the idea that Texas should have been the Big 12 South champ based on the head to head win against OU is mega arbitrary. I mean, yeah, sure, nobody wants to talk about Texas Tech, they suck and everybody hates them, but look, 11-1. Says right there. Tied for first and everything. You can eliminate them from the discussion, but not without applying to the same logic that says Oklahoma gets the title because they have the best BCS ranking.
(As an aside, Cal losing to Texas Tech in the Holiday Bowl makes more sense when you find out that Cal’s top two receivers, who were also two of the top receivers in the country. I mean, it wasn’t magic that forced Aaron Rodgers’ completion percentage down into the 50s, and it sure as hell wasn’t Tech’s defense. So yeah, we probably would have lost in the Rose Bowl anyway, but it’s the principle of the thing.)
(Meant to say that Cal’s top two receivers were injured. Damn my superlatives, getting in the way of meaning.)
Hey Crap.. answer me this...
How come when you guys were snubbed, and you got pounded by an 8-4 Crabtreeless Texas Tech team, your team get’s a pass for their humiliating loss in the Holiday Bowl because they weren’t into the game or whatever… but…. Texas, feeling snubbed has their stellar 12-1 season mocked and belittled because we squeaked by the Big 10 champion that happened to have like 9 NFL draftees starting?
BY the way, what was your signature win this season? We beat OU, tOSU, Kansas, and OSU. All those teams were ranked all season. Who did Cal beat? Washington State? Weren’t you guys in the Emerald Bowl? WTF is that?
Answer: because it’s Ohio State.
(I don’t actually have a cogent response here, I just like ragging on Ohio State, who are merely an above average team in a suck ass conference. Also: Mack Brown frontin’ that “we can beat any team in the country” shit post game was extremely raunch.)
and accurate
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on May 21, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m sorry urban meyer cancelled the game Utah was supposed to play with us this year and we played 4 top 25 teams back to back to back to back. The same year Cincinnati is magically good.
either way tOSU is a legit team with NFL caliber talent and we beat them.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on May 20, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, maybe they tried. Doesn’t really explain FAU, UTEP, and Rice as replacements.
and, most definitely, it doesn’t explain the meltdown against TTech (that numerous BONers have avoided)
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
We acknowledge the loss. We have moved on.
We were happy to win a BCS bowl. It was s decent consolation prize. Now, we expect to be ranked #2-#3 in the first poll next year and are focused on a MNC run with a senior QB who finished 2nd in the Heisman voting last year. If you were on this site during the season you would know that we didn’t ignore the TT game, but as time has passed, we have gotten over it. You guys need to do the same. 2004 was a long time ago. I realize you haven’t had much to cheer for since then, I mean your QB was Nate Longshore for crying out loud, but it’s the offseason, a perfect time for even the most irrelevant programs to think MNC.
you actually seem like a rationale Longhorn fan…several other BONers here are unfortunatley not. I fully admit that YOU’VE moved on, but judging by several other comments here, it’s easy to conclude that several are playing the “we got screwed” game even though y’all invented it.
Personally, I think we need a better mechanism in place to determine who really deserves to play in the MNC game. For example, no one really knew how good the Big12 was because all they played (pretty much league-wide) were patsies OOC, their records and rankings soar, and they take turns beating up on each other. Yet, the losses don’t hurt so bad because they are losing to an overly ranked team. Good football teams, yes, but how good? Frankly, the Big12 bowl season said a lot.
There are rumblings that 2009 is The Year for our Bears.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Absent a playoff there is no perfect method.
Look at the Pac 10 which was owned by the Mountain West in the OOC and then had a very good bowl season. There is no method to that madness either. Many can argue that the strength of the Big 12 last year wore down many of the teams that played tough schedules (like UT’s brutal 4 game stretch) and Tech’s which was similarly difficult but started a week after ours. I don’t think the bowl season is an accurate indicator of conference strength. There are too many variables (travel time, injuries, long layoffs, and inequality among strength of opponents). Did the media overhype the Big 12? Probably. But what else were they supposed to cover? The ACC? The Pac 10’s games which aren’t even available on basic cable and come on after we are all asleep? The Big 12 QB strength last year was the storyline of the year. It didn’t hurt that Texas-OU and Texas-Tech were 2 of the best games played all season (the latter probably the most remembered because of that epic ending).
Whose meltdown?
Our last second loss at the end of what would have been the most historically difficult 4 games in a row in 50 years, or Cal’s multiscore loss to a far inferior Tech team?
Rice is an old SWC tie, and a big game for recruiting the Houston area. UTEP again is for recruiting purposes. FAU is pure cupcake, most good teams schedule those. If you want to argue about whose cupcakes are creamy, go ahead I guess, at least ours are always Division 1.
by BoddickerIsClutch on May 21, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
stay with me…it was your secondary getting burnt like toast.
and please…you people don’t need to travel to El Paso to get recruits. Longhorns football IS Texas.
BTW, Elisha Cuthbert is hot but why is she in Longhorns gear?
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Dude, please stop now.
We’re over the Tech game, stop using another team’s success to attack a team you have never played. It’s pathetic and only shows how embarrassingly little your own football program has accomplished.
yeah, sorry, I get infuriated when fans can’t own up and turn it into a NEENERNEENER fest. My tone will soften, but I believe my main points are clear and accurate.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Who is saying neener neener?
You insulted my team by saying we melted down against Tech, where I would say that if any of our teams melted, it was yours. You then bring up the point that we were torched by Tech, where I would say if either of our teams was torched by Tech, it was Cal. Your problem is the glass house that you are standing in as much as the stone in your hand.
Would you like evidence?
Against the #4 team in the country (Cal) playing in California, the lowly 7-4 Red Raiders threw for 520 yards, and 3 TDs. That was good for 136 yards more than their average, and was the most yards passing yards Tech had that year in any single game. The three TDs, and completion percentage were both over their season average, playing the #4 team, in California. Did I mention Tech lost to New Mexico that year?
Texas, on the other hand, played an undefeated Tech at home, and gave up 474 yards and 2 touchdowns. That was good for 81 yards over their average, and was the second highest total they had that year. The TDs were a full 1.5 less then their season average. Tech’s completion percentage was less than their season average.
As to El Paso, you can argue about the effectiveness all you want, but the fact remains that over 90% of our players come from Texas, and every single game we play inside the state of Texas (even on the outskirts, like El Paso) is an advertisement for our school and our program. Does it work? I don’t know, but seeing how well we do in recruiting our state I have to put my faith in Mack. Players will always say the first goal of the Longhorns is to win all our in state games. Mack is sly in that mantra, as he is looking ahead for future recruits.
And why shouldn’t Elisha wear Longhorns gear?
by BoddickerIsClutch on May 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
for one, I thought Elisha was Canadian, but that could just be because she follows hockey, hence I might be wrong.
They're after our precious bodily fluids
As of less than a year ago, Texas was the top merchandising school in the land for the third year running.
But yes, I do believe she is Canadian, and more to the point, the photo is altered. Though I don’t think her heritage necessarily precludes her from being a fan of any team or sport.
by BoddickerIsClutch on May 21, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize this argument can be turned right back to you, right?
You guys lost to USC. Thus, instead of winning the Pac-10 and getting an auto berth, your fate was left in the hands of the pollsters and computers… and you lost. And yet Cal fans continue to whine about 2004. But Texas fans are whiners when we complain about this season, when BOTH teams in the Big 12 title game were teams we defeated? Yeah… makes sense.
by TheElusiveShadow on May 21, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Carp,
As to the “Texas didn’t schedule anyone OOC”, we did have Utah on the schedule this past year, but they bailed. We also would have had Arkansas on our schedule this year, but they bailed too.
And if you’re going to bitch about OOC scheduling, you are a pot who is well acquainted with that particular kettle: your precious 2004 team ran the brutal non-con gauntlet of Air Force, New Mexico St, and Southern Miss.
In fact...
it was playing Southern Miss (and not very well, I might add) that dropped Cal below Texas in the final poll, as it has been illustrated ad nauseum that the computers preferred Texas while the polls preferred Cal.
Also, if I recall correctly, and my bias may lead me to recall incorrectly, Texas had more fans represented at that Southern Miss game than did Cal – a game in which Texas was not directly involved. In my eyes, that was the more memorable occurrence that week, surely more notable than a few remarks Mack Brown made to the press. Those Texas fans drove like 900 miles to root against the boys from Berkeley.
by BrooklynHorn on May 21, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, Carp...
if only you had invented the car that runs on urine and dura mater sooner, you could have been there too.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on May 21, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
All I’m going to say is:
Texas had more fans represented at that Southern Miss game than did Cal
I don’t think this is necessarily something you should be proud of.
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Probably not, but it's no worse...
than beaming with pride when you tell the world that Jack Clark teaches the scalping technique.
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
by 54b on May 21, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
our rugby team is quite good, we don’t win the title every year I’ll take over 2/3 of the time! A fellow cal blogger wrote up a dbd saying this…
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2009/5/1/861240/5-1-09-pussy-dbd
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this is true and may have cost them the Rose Bowl. Can’t play patsies late in the season when everyone’s watching (rescheduled due to a hurricane, right?) Since then, I’ll add, Cal’s played a pretty darn competitve OOC schedule.
Heaps and Hinder...come on down!
Since then doesn't matter when you guys are bitching about that particular season...
Cal’s OOC strength “since then” doesn’t matter when you are playing in the Emerald Bowl.

I like Texas, guys, mainly because they sent USC packing in 2006. Leaving a rather bitter taste in Bush and Lineart’s mouth (which Mattie-boy apparently hasn’t gotten rid of in the Pros).
"Today's weather, excessively violent with a chance of dismemberment. Tune in later for our 5-day forecast!"
~ Three Dog - Fallout 3
by Swamphunter on May 21, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
For Clarification's Sake
We are not the only program butt-sore about being snubbed. After chatting with Auburn here: http://www.trackemtigers.com/2009/4/7/826515/sec-response-to-pac-10-questions, I began to follow their blog, and realized they are just as butt-sore about being snubbed in both 2003/2004, as we are about missing out on the Rose Bowl.
The difference between Auburn/Cal and Texas, is that Texas is one of the elite schools, BCS opportunities occur over other year. You get snubbed one year, it sucks, but you know you will have other opportunities. For Cal and or Auburn these are once in a lifetime opportunities that are taken away. Therefore, the pain resonates more.
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There are more differences
Auburn was undefeated. Cal lost.
There is another difference. Auburn blames the system that is obviously flawed and broken. Cal blames Mack Brown because Aaron Rodgers couldn’t blow out Southern Miss. It was five years ago. Time to move on.
by the1austin on May 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two Points of Clarification
Auburn fans still resent/hate USC for those events.
Vrs. So. Miss. we had the opportunity to score an additional touchdown at the end, instead we did the classy thing and killed the clock.
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And then your players all put Roses in their mouths and ran all over the field...
Very classy. And completely hilarious.
You are right, when you are right you are right, its not like Texas ever put roses in their mouth to celebrate a Rose Bowl Birth……
except of course in 2005 after demo-ing Colorado 435 to 3
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The difference is we were undefeated and had been ranked #1 or #2 from wire to wire.
We were a lock. Cal had beaten one team with more than 8 wins and struggled with Southern Miss. They were hardly a lock for the Rose Bowl as shown by their Holiday Bowl selection.
One of those berths was guaranteed, another, was not. In there lies the difference of the action looking silly or just celebratory. Ill let you decide which was which.
by BoddickerIsClutch on May 21, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
We basically took a knee for the entire 4th quarter of that game
We didn’t score after the third.
by Texas Wahoo on May 21, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That 3rd Quarter was amazing.
We couldn’t help but score. And turn Joel Klatt into a babbling idiot.
In response to you
I know, I know. Texas did the best they can about not running up the score, I was simply making a little joke about how uncompetitive that game was.
Sadly, watching wazzou last year, I realized how difficult it can be to not score.
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This is how I imagine the1austin at his computer, btw:
by AERose on May 21, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
"Today's weather, excessively violent with a chance of dismemberment. Tune in later for our 5-day forecast!"
~ Three Dog - Fallout 3
The discussion is so old now.
Cal fans have this view of Mack and they’re not going to change it, no matter how many of their irrational arguments are blown to smithereens. They act like Mack campaigned for us and spent advertising money or something, when all he did was say that pollsters should take an extra long look at Texas. That’s it. He didn’t dog Cal. He didn’t do anything a politician would when they are campaigning. However, because the media has nothing better to do than to exaggerate a story, they made it a big deal to make the BCS look more like crap. And Cal fans, except for blaming the system or their own mistakes, foolishly and desperately seek to place blame on Mack, like Aaron Rodgers. Fail. Heck, Mack did considerably less than both he and Bob Stoops did this past season.
Get over it. If there was any team that was screwed in 2004, it was Auburn, who also has very little reason to blame OU or USC. At least Bob Stoops is already our rival; we hate him already. Face it, Brown’s few words had very little, if ANYTHING, to do with Cal not being moved into the Rose Bowl, and you can just as easily argue that what Brown did COST the Horns more human votes.
by TheElusiveShadow on May 21, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You know what really sucks?
I saw this thread when it had only 3 comments and thought to myself, “This will get bad quick. I better post something so that this won’t revert into a flame war/pissing contest.” Then I went to sleep, went to work and came back to this.
But the fact of the matter is it happened 5 years ago. If I were a Cal fan, I would be ecstatic over having arguably the best RB in the nation and USC not having a starting QB in line for the first time since before Palmer. As a Texas fan, I am ecstatic to have a really good deep threat WR, a stable that’s deeper than the Kentucky Derby for RB and an OU without it’s “inviolable line”, for Colt, and of course, Sergio Kindle.
Was Cal shafted in 2004? Yep. Did Texas deserve to go to Pasadena? Yep. But it was 5 years ago and these teams may not meet in an OOC schedule anytime soon but there is a good chance that they both teams will make BCS games and hopefully the MNC.
I take full responsibility for this thread. The original post over at golden blogs was harmless enough, seeing who Cal fans wanted to play. Then, I got sucked into the boredom that is the off-season, and decided to stir the passions. I think it worked. The fireworks were definitely fun. Problem is I want to watch some football!
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