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I don't know if this has already gotten any attention on BON yet, but I just got this through an e-mail on a list serve that I'm a part of.  Apparently this was on cbssports.com a couple weeks ago, but somebody took it down?  Could be complete trash, but fill me in if you have any information, I don't know whether or not to hope its true.

 

May 8, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports

GREENSBORO -- Less than a week after the Big XII coaches rejected a proposal to change the controversial tiebreaker that gave the Oklahoma Sooners last season’s Big XII South title over the Texas Longhorns, a team who soundly beat the Sooners earlier in the season, CBS Sports has learned the Longhorns are in negotiations to leave the Big XII and join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The surprise announcement could come as early as next week.

According to a source within CBS Sports partner conference, the ACC, Texas Athletic Director, Deloss Dodds and members of his staff flew to ACC headquarters in Greensboro, North Carolina late last week to meet with ACC Commissioner, John Swofford, in anticipation of the Big XII’s stunning tiebreaker decision just two days ago. 

According to Big XII and ACC bylaws, leaving the Big XII for the ACC is expected to cost the Longhorns in excess of $5 million, and would require a qualifying vote of both the ACC member schools as well as the Texas legislature. However, those steps are seen as a mere formality due to the resulting financial windfall for all involved. 

In walking away from the Big XII, Texas is leaving behind a conference that has struggled to gain traction in the years since its inception. Former football power, Nebraska, has been mired in mediocrity, with no team stepping up to fill the void in the talent poor Big XII North. For the past decade, the conference has been propped up solely by Texas and Oklahoma’s annual inclusion in the National Championship hunt, with sporadic appearances in the BCS top 25 by Texas Tech, Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma State. In basketball, despite powerhouses Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas providing plenty of top 15 rankings, the Big XII has languished behind more notable basketball conferences, the Big East and the ACC in both post season performance and reputation.

The ACC, which is celebrating its 55th year of existence today, is seemingly aglow at the prospect of adding Texas and its rich tradition. In landing the Longhorns, the ACC not only adds an annual National Championship frontrunner to the fold, something they have sorely lacked for the latter half of this decade, but they also add an impressive TV market to their stable as well. Currently ranking a second in conference viewership behind the SEC, the addition of the Texas TV market is almost certain to make them the runaway leader in that field. According to the Media Information Center, the Texas Longhorns own the largest TV market in the country, nearly 30% larger than the second ranked school, the University of Southern California. 

Bringing Texas into the conference would almost assuredly allow the ACC to immediately rework their TV deal with Fox, which doesn’t expire until 2012, and could result in the largest TV payout in NCAA history. The Longhorns, despite the $5 million cost of making the switch, stand to increase their annual media revenue by nearly 60%. 

Long rumored to be interested in adding a 13th and 14th team since the admission of Boston College as the 12th and final member in 2004, the ACC has been unable to identify any willing institutions that met the conference’s standards of academic excellence in addition to athletic prowess. In the Longhorns, the ACC would gain one of the most respected public universities in the country, and a regular member of national undergraduate and graduate program rankings.

Though still yet to be determined, sources say the ACC is strongly considering identifying and adding the 14th and final member this summer. Any team added however, including Texas, would realistically have to wait until the 2010 or 2011 season to commence participation in ACC conference play for any NCAA sport. The front runners for the 14th spot are expected to be Texas A&M, a fellow Big XII member school with strong academics and a solid athletic track record, and Big East member, the University of Connecticut, whose upstart football program and championship winning basketball programs make it a logical fit.. However, conference officials might instead attempt to lure Notre Dame into the fold, though the prospects of their joining the ACC appear slim. 

If both Texas and Texas A&M leave the Big XII for the ACC, the domino effect would almost certainly result in the collapse of the Big XII as we know it. The resulting effect could possibly see the SEC add Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, with Missouri going to the Big Ten and Colorado joining the Pac-10, along with long rumored addition, Hawaii. The remaining 6 Big XII teams ? Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, and Iowa State would likely split up and join the Mountain West and Big East conferences or cherry pick 6 to 8 additional teams from the Mountain West, Conference USA, Western Athletic Conference and Big East in an effort to remain a BCS member conference. 

Copyright 2009 by STATS LLC and The Associated Press. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of STATS LLC and The Associated Press is strictly prohibited.

I have a feeling that Dodds knows what he's doing, and is just trying to make the Big XII shit their pants a little bit, but thats just me.  I know that if we left the Big XII then we'd still play OU and A&M, because thats just in the bylaws of college football, but I think I would miss our annual throwdowns with the rest of the South, and our showdowns with  occasionally good Nebraska and Mizzou.  What do y'all think?  Both about the truth behind this and the effects of it happening?

Miami vs. Texas rivalry?  Doesn't sound right.

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I heard this was a rumor circulating around the interwebs.

by Longhorn@Berkeley on May 21, 2009 3:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This would be absolutely absurd. Living in Maryland, I’d certainly love to see it, because then I’d be within driving distance of many, many conference games. And besides, I’d love to see UT flip the Big 12 the same F-U much of the Big 12 flipped at UT in recent polls and of course the tie-breaker vote. But there’s no way UT joins the ACC. Not a chance. It doesn’t make regional sense, it would alienate a lot of the fanbase, and the distance between Austin and Boston would be by far the largest distance between any two conference teams in the BCS conferences.

As for the discussion of meeting academic requirements of the ACC, most of the Big 12 would quality. Maybe not Blow U, but if NC State and FSU are in there, the criteria aren’t exactly stringent.

Hell, I’d be happy to see UT play just ONE game in the mid-Atlantic. That’d make my day. But it’s improbable at best.

by burntorangehorn on May 21, 2009 3:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PS—why would any of the conferences try to add 13th and 14th teams? I guess there could be money involved, but I think it’s unlikely. I believe it’d be more probable for UT to replace an underperforming team from another conference, or to just become an independent for at least a few years.

by burntorangehorn on May 21, 2009 3:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I think they took it down cause there was nothing there. Someone started a rumor and it took for about 24 hours.

by jw4425 on May 21, 2009 5:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two Things

1. Plagiarism is bad, put a link and a summary or a quote. I like how you even printed this:

Copyright 2009 by STATS LLC and The Associated Press. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of STATS LLC and The Associated Press is strictly prohibited.

2. Worst rumor ever, was this even really an AP article?

by Wells on May 21, 2009 7:12 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

But if he had actually done a little digging

he would have noticed this was not a real article, instead of spreading internet rumors

by Wells on May 21, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funniest part of that whole charade...

…was the number of OU fans I know here in Dallas who took that story seriously and forwarded it to me accompanied by a bunch a vitriol that any dime store shrink would have translated as chronic insecurity…

OU GUY: “I hope you f*ckers do leave the conference, bunch of babies. Maybe we’ll go to the SEC, watch.”

TRANSLATION: “What? Texas is leaving the conference, how will we define ourselves? If we can’t play Texas every year, we have no reason to be. Damn, I”m so depressed, I forgot to feed my llama."

I felt so bad for them that I talked them off the fence with a funnel cake and a promise not to leave the conference. Maybe I shouldn’t have, but I figured I still get to spoil their blissful ignorance when it comes to Santa, the Easter Bunny, “Big Game Bob,” landing on the moon, and bacon not being the cause of Swine Flu…so it’s going to be busy summer.

By the way, if you see a Sooner waking into IHOP with a surgical mask on, send a plate of Pigs in the Blanket over to his table and watch the hilarity ensue.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on May 21, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It was fake - UT called CBS to deny it

It was on bevo beat or something a while back

And I’m not sure if you can plagarize a fake message board article.

by Texas Wahoo on May 21, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Any work that isnt yours without proper citations is plagiarism

Some just get pursued more than others.

And yes, this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The big 12 has failed to get traction? Arent we now pretty must considered one of the top two football conferences?

by BoddickerIsClutch on May 21, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Onion is about to shut it's doors down

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on May 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally,

real articles have quotes and sources. This sounds like it was taken directly from a blog oped.

And how is this even borderline plagerism? He cites both the source and date of the material, and clearly distinguishes it (even spatially) from his own preface.

I despise the contradictions in our culture. We’re somehow the most [unnecessarily and detrimentally] litigious society mankind has ever known, yet we constantly dismantle the standards of our information and discourse by, say, acquiring most of our knowledge from internet sources. The two positions seem hopelessly incompatible, or at least obnoxious.

by BrooklynHorn on May 21, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Plagiarism

I think that copping the entire article is beyond fair use, even if you cite everything correctly.

If this is not plagiarism, then I could copy every article from cbssports.com, paste them entirely onto my website with citation, write one sentence about the article after it, and then sell adds on wellssports.com.

by Wells on May 21, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't recommend this comment...

… but I do recommend wellssports.com.

by Horn Brain on May 21, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or you can write about Fargo and start the site wellsfargo.com

just a thought

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on May 22, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand

but don’t you think that our tendency toward legalities-above-all thinking is harming our general culture, our creativity, and our ability to relate decently toward one another.

I would say, however gradually, that it is.

by BrooklynHorn on May 22, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and No

I agree that our society is overly litigious, and this creates negative externalizes that we all pay for. But, plagiarism to me is not just a legal issue, it is an ethical issue. Stealing someone’s work is wrong, and if it is accepted as a society, it will lead to people having no incentive to create much faster than an abused court system will.

by Wells on May 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well sir,

I reject the notion that we have to compromise our long-standing human and cultural values in the name of fighting plagiarism. : )

I don’t entirely disagree with you. The way I see it is this: What you suggest with your wellsportsline.com is roughly analogous to running a local network of dvd bootleggers (a small but legitimate monetary threat to authorized distributors), while this particular instance of a single article copied to the sidebar-fanpostings of a somewhat marginal sports blog (and properly cited) is the structural equivalent to inviting a friend over to watch a dvd that you have recently purchased, which, in theory, also might cost someone a small slice of profit.

I find no naivete in the assessment that lawsuits don’t exist in the name of fairness, safety, or our cultural betterment, but instead are used as a form of order and organization to certain parts of our economy, which, while fine and perfectly justified in small and marginal doses, has become centralized and has entered the mainstream of our public thinking, and I have to question the aggregate advantage of this movement.

To my mind, lawsuits generally don’t function to protect us, they simply give individuals and corporations a legal map to avoiding future lawsuits (or legal responsibility), and that map, unfortunately, compromises much of of the behavior we’d prefer to practice and preserve in the name of decency. In the end, we’re left with an unnecessarily complicated and restrictive society, and such streamlined thinking is not especially good for creativity and ingenuity.

In other words, I would rather live in a society that is highly conducive for the development of creative ideas, even if the risk of losing control of those ideas is higher. I see your point of view, and I see the incentive for such laws, but I feel like if we refuse to ease the pedal a bit, and we don’t pick our battles, then the codes will only become more restrictive.

by BrooklynHorn on May 22, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is an awesome thread.

I am such a dork for this kind of debate. I can’t wait to go to Law School.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on May 22, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the late reply

I was away for the weekend.

I think there is a lot of merit in your argument, and I don’t think either extreme is conducive to development of ideas.

In my opinion, if we as individuals express our disapproval when people go beyond fair use, we are hopefully reducing the rate of lawsuits, as people will be less likely to repeat the offense. Hopefully this keeps the rate of offenses lower than the level where a company or individual has to go to court to protect their property.

by Wells on May 26, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to be the vocab police...

This isn’t plagiarism. Plagiarism is taking someone’s words verbatim and calling them your own. This would be considered a copyright violation, though I imagine SBN or BON would actually have the responsibility of keeping these violations under control (much like Napster was held liable for what their users uploaded). Case law is actually pretty unresolved (nonexistent?) when it comes to posts by users rather than violations by site owners or their employees. The AP has been recently going after internet sites for just posting the first paragraph of their articles and then providing a link, so it is evident the AP lawyers think that is a violation, but I would be shocked if they actually won a case on those grounds.

BON should probably take most of this post down, because I would hate to see SBN get sued and have to shut down because users were cutting and pasting entire articles on the site. Though the fact that CBS scrubbed it from their site, this post is a good archive of what was originally posted.

by Rickyspub on May 22, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to his defense,

maybe this guy just wanted to throw some crazy rumor out there that everybody can talk about for a day or two, it has been a pretty slow offseason.

by Frazier90 on May 21, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Looks lie it kind of worked. It would be interesting to see this happen. It would suck, considering I live in Lubbock and attend everything when the Horns come to town, but not worried in the least bit.

by LonghorninRaiderland on May 22, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on

Everyone knows Texas is headed for the Pac-10.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on May 22, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ACC

If Texas were to go to the ACC, then it would be perfect. Texas would win the title every year and play in a BCS or MNC game every year like USC.

by Longhorns84 on May 22, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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