Bevo's Daily Roundup - June 11, 2009

The Horns return to Omaha. Freshman Taylor Jungmann played a crucial role in the win.
"The game was dominated by pitching," Texas coach Augie Garrido said. "Jungmann kept us in it through six."
Jungmann was nails, working six shutout innings only allowing TCU two hits while striking out five. He wasn’t too bad with his glove either. In the sixth, he snagged two straight comebackers to keep the shutout alive and work out of a two-on, no-out jam—gunning down the lead runner at third for the first out and starting an amazing double play to end the inning.
"You have to go out with confidence," Jungmann said. "If you’re not confident you are not going to have any success."
"No doubt, stuff-wise, Jungmann is their best guy," Schlossnagle said. "But their offense is undervalued; they are better than people think they are. Their pitching gives them a shot [to win the championship]. They can flat-out pitch. Everyone talks about momentum, but momentum begins and ends at the bump in the middle of that field."
Congratulations. Taylor Jungmann and Austin Dicharry were named to the National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association Freshman All-American Team.
Yahoo Sports has the best of CWS bunch. We get the nod for best pitching, best fielding and best coach.
The Sooners released their depth chart and there are a few surprises. There isn't a designated backup to Sam Bradford at quarterback and there is some guy named Mike Balogun listed at middle linebacker. Depth chart from Sooner Sports.
But the next day... Ryan Reynolds is listed as the starting middle linebacker. Someone goofed?
But as of Tuesday at 10AM, the two-deep listed Reynolds as the No.1 linebacker and Balogun backing him up. It's unclear what prompted the quick change, whether it was a coaching decision or simply a typographical error. Sooners football media contact Kenny Mossman did not return several calls on Tuesday for clarification.
About that 16 million dollar loan... it seemed like a good idea at the time. According to AD Bill Bryne the money was used for increases in the cost of scholarships, electrical and plumbing, work on old buildings and fixing the light poles on Kyle's east side.
He's also pledged that he will not adopt the policy of so many other schools: sticking corporate names on their stadiums to help pay the bills — even if it meant covering the $16 million loan, scheduled to be paid in $1.6 million increments over the next 10 years.
"There are a lot of hot buttons for Aggies," said Byrne, who oversees a $70 million annual budget. "But I think if I tried renaming Kyle Field, I'd be leading a small parade out of College Station."
Byrne added that the stock market's sharp decline has decreased the department's endowment through the 12th Man Foundation from about $70 million to $40 million.
"We've been affected by the market just like everyone else," he said.
So that's the problem... The Aggies' are in the Bermuda Triangle of college football so that must explain the demise of a once good program?
I call it the Aggie Bermuda Triangle (and, no, you trollers out there, an Aggie Triangle does not mean it was square or a hexagon).
To the north, Oklahoma. To the east, LSU. To the west, Texas.
The Aggies are locked in, trapped, wallowing in tumultuous waters, by three well-funded, hungry, major players. It is almost a perfect triangle of big-time programs now taking away many of the great players that once should have belonged to the Aggies.
Aggie QB Jerrod Johnson will throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the Houston Astros versus Chicago Cubs baseball game.
I Am The 12th Man wants A&M to have a good start for the season.
Bo Pelini has made a huge impact on the Nebraska football program.
It only took Bo Pelini one season — his first as head coach — to turn Nebraska's defense from embarrassing to respectable.
Pelini has injected new-found energy into the blood of the most tradition-rich football program in the Big 12 North. Pigskin reigns supreme in Lincoln, Neb. (how about 77,670 fans...for a spring game) and expectations continue to rise after the Cornhuskers won six of their final seven games last season.
Tom Osbourne has decided to stick around a little longer.
Cupcake update. ESPN's Pat Forde is keeping up with the bakery situation in college football.
... And that pretty well illustrates where scheduling has gone in college football. Into hiding, namely. Everyone at the high end of the sport has taken their ball and their competitiveness and gone home -- to play Directional Tech and count their cash.
Big-time intersectional games have gone the way of the wishbone.
ESPN's Tim Griffin looks at the Big 12 nonconference schedules.
10. Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, at Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
The Longhorns had a couple of game against Utah and Arkansas fall through in their planning. But don't expect the Longhorns to get that much sympathy for a group of opponents that won't give them much BCS bounce. Louisiana-Monroe will be breaking in a retooled offense with a new quarterback. The road trip to Wyoming doesn't resonate like some the Longhorns have made to places like Ohio State and Arkansas in recent seasons. The Cowboys will be breaking in a new quarterback, too. UTEP could contend for the Conference USA West title, but the Miners are a different team on the road. And the Nov. 7 game against Central Florida will bring the nation's worst offensive team from last season into Austin.
Another in the series of know your enemy and this time it isn't a Big 12 school.This turf battle may be over recruits.
Gary Patterson doesn't think TCU's recruiting is any different than any other school around the country, but he and his staff have learned over the years to not judge players by their initial appearance.
That's why Patterson and TCU have built their program on finding untapped potential in players who are playing positions different than which they were when originally recruited.
At least we are not Cal graduates. We can stop complaining about rising ticket prices.
Barry Switzer has a second calling: acting.
And no more complaining about Mack Brown signing recruits early...
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That OU depth chart is interesting Landry Jones is in a battle to backup Bradford. My Sooner business associates were very high on him.
MLB at OU is starting to look like TE at Texas. Reynolds is penciled in but he hasn’t seen the field since the RRR. Coming back from multiple knee surgeries you have to be concerned about his wheels. With Box also injured and missing much need practice this Spring they have some serious questions.
Two freshmen in the two deep at OLB makes them a little thin there too.
by 71grad on Jun 10, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of quality programs.....
are wanting to play quality competition.
Alabama vs VaTech
Oklahoma vs BYU
Georgia @ Oklahoma State
Oregon @ Boise State
USC @ Ohio State
Notre Dame @ Michigan
Florida State @ BYU
Nebraska @ VaTech
W.Virginia @ Auburn
Utah @ Oregon
Cincinnati @ Oregon State
Colorado @ W.Virginia
Arizona State @ Georgia
Boston College @ Notre Dame
Florida State @ Florida
Georgia @ Georgia Tech
S.Florida @ Miami
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 11, 2009 12:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Arkansas fell through this year. We tried.
Also, there were brief negotiations with ESPN trying to broker a prime time spot for us to play Wisconsin. Not sure how close that came to actually happening. We have a home/home starting next year with UCLA then a home/home with Ole Miss after that. Will they be any good? There is no way of knowing, these things are scheduled so many years in advance it’s a crap shoot. At least they are from respectable conferences, but having a PAC-10 or SEC team on your OOC schedule doesn’t guarantee anything. Beating the snot out of Arkansas didn’t help us a whole lot last year.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Jun 11, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm, Arkansas.....
……hasn’t won a Conference Championship since 1989. Almost TWO DECADES!!
To use them as some “shining star” for our OOC is just laughable.
=============== QUOTE: Beating the snot out of Arkansas didn’t help us a whole lot last year. ===============
Thanks for confirming my point.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 11, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'scuse me.

I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Jun 11, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ummmmm, Oklahoma State.....
…..hasn’t won a Conference Championship since 1976. Over THREE DECADES!!
Maybe you should take them off your list.
by gwh65 on Jun 11, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could add Arizona State, S. Florida, Colorado into the mix...
Having Notre Dame on your schedule the past couple of years wouldn’t have made anyone shake in their boots either.
by Rickyspub on Jun 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
34 teams on that list....
…..and you come up with 3 exceptions. wooooooooo!
Then you can’t even get that right.
Colorado won the 2001 Big-XII Championship. Then there was that no-small-matter of the 1990 Nat’l Championship.
Arizona State won the 1996 Pac-10 Championship. Feeling stupid yet? They were the 2007 Pac-10 Co-Champions.
Wow! S.Florida has been a member of a Div.1 conference for all of 6 seasons. Gosh, and they haven’t won a Conference Championship. Feeling smart now?
Hey gwh – be sure to check out the pre-season rankings….what a joke!
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 11, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, you're not making anyone feel stupid.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Jun 11, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So I took your advice...
If pre-season rankings are what matters, you should probably strike a few more teams from your list. BC, Miami, Cincinnatti, Auburn, W. Virginia, Michigan, Ariz St & Colorado can be taken off as well since they didn’t register on any Top 25 that I could find (S. Florida showed as 24 in one poll so I’ll leave that one up to you).
BTW, there were only 26 teams on your original list.
Feeling stupid yet?
by gwh65 on Jun 11, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A FULL 34 teams.....
……Mack Brown is too afraid to schedule.
Prior to UT going to Columbus in 2005 Mack Brown said, “We (current Texas administration) didn’t schedule this game and we don’t want this game. This was done 10 years ago and if we could get out of it, we would.”
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 12, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I didn't realize that 2 decades were required for a team to be considered weak...
Most teams schedule OOC games every 5 years, so scheduling Colorado, ASU, or S. Florida 5 years ago wouldn’t have been like scheduling Ohio State or USC.
I’ll agree with you that our OOC could use a boost, but adding ASU or S. Florida to the schedule 4 or 5 years ago (much less BC, Cincinnati, W. Virginia, BYU, Georgia Tech, Oregon, or Oregon State) didn’t look much better (in fact it would have looked worse) than scheduling Arkansas especially when you add in the past history and rivalry that we share with them.
You had a reasonable initial post and then looked like a prick when suggesting Arkansas is a patsy. They may not have won a conference title in 20 years but they have beaten us at least three times since then.
by Rickyspub on Jun 12, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you aware....
QUOTE: Most teams schedule OOC games every 5 years,"
……our 2011 schedule isn’t complete?
That we still need 2 games for the 2012 schedule?
That we need another 3 games for the 2013 schedule?
That we have no OOC games scheduled for 2014 forward?
Quit buying into the Belmont and OB propaganda.
Teams that want quality OOC games have to be aggressive with future scheduling.
OU has games scheduled through 2017.
Ohio State has games scheduled through 2019!
Notre Dame has games scheduled through 2018.
Nebraska has games scheduled through 2017.
We purposefully wait to the last minute, when the quality teams are all booked up, to claim “there wasn’t anyone who wanted to play us….”
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 13, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what's the point?
You had S. Florida, BC, Oregon, Oregon State, Cincinnati, and ASU in your list of teams that are supplying top notch competition and I think Arkansas fits the profile of those teams especially when you add in our history with the Razorbacks. If the Arkansas game hadn’t of fallen through, I think we would have had a fine OOC schedule.
Could it have been more interesting and challenging by having USC or OSU or even Utah or Boise State? Yes. Would such scheduling over the long term hurt our chances in getting to the MNC? Yes. Would I rather have more interesting games in September or a better shot at more MNC? I would take the later. If you want to have great games in September fine, but I’ll take 4 cream puffs and a place in the last game of the college season any day. Mack understands the BCS. If you want to win it all, you better win them all. Any game that puts that in jeopardy is a game to be avoided until they change the rules. Let Carroll, Weis, and Tressel play those odds, I’ll stick with what Urban Meyer and Mack Brown are doing.
by Rickyspub on Jun 15, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "list of teams" isn't mine,....
….it came from MoonDogSports. I cut 4 games (including Arkansas vs. Aggie) from their list, as I didn’t think they measured up.
http://moondogsports.com/2009/01/14/2009-college-football-top-non-conference-games/
If “Mack understands the BCS”, then why did he hire BCS expert consultants to come to Austin to do a presentation for the staff?
Four of the last six Nat’l Championships have been won by teams who didn’t “win it all.” Your mention of Urban Meyer makes me laugh a bit. Two of those 4 Nat’l Championships won without “winning it all” were won by Meyer’s Florida Gators. In addition, Urban Meyer has played Florida State in their OOC schedule every year he has been at Florida. Last year he played Miami and Florida State in their OOC schedule. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Mack to schedule like that. As evidenced by stories in the Miami Herald, the OU H/H with Miami was offered (and rejected by us) to us by Coker in 3 consecutive off-seasons! OU jumped on the games.
Nebraska is regularly playing teams like Pitt, Wake Forest, USC and VaTech for an average of $54/ticket. Meanwhile our season ticketholders are expected to pay $70 to watch a pathetic UTEP. Meanwhile, Nebraska has future games with Washington, Fresno State, UCLA, Miami and Tennessee.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 16, 2009 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida didn't get to the championship either year because they had FSU on their schedule!
FSU has sucked for the past 5 years! This is also a bad analogy since if OU wasn’t in our conference I am certain they would be on our schedule no matter what just like FSU is always going to be on Florida’s schedule. Our problem is that other than Arkansas our only other OOC rivals are teams like Rice, TCU, SMU, and Houston. I would love to see us put TCU or Arkansas on our schedule every year.
Florida got the nod in part because the media loves the SEC, but also because the SEC does offer a huge challenge in-conference compared to the PAC-10, Big 10, ACC, or Big East. Their OOC games played little role in their poll votes. The Big 12 generally is the only other conference that regularly gets a mention as the top conference, though our top-to-bottom is generally not as strong as the SEC our best teams generally outrank their best teams.
If you are undefeated and play in the Big 12 there is almost zero chance you will get left out of the national championship (especially if you are UT or OU and maybe Nebraska) and the OOC games won’t factor in at all. Once you lose a game you are truly at the mercy of things completely out of your control. In the current climate Mack is better off shooting for undefeated than risking one early season loss in an OOC game then watching as Leach, Briles, and company vote us five spots below our average ranking in hopes of screwing us out of a place in the championship.
I would certainly like to see us schedule some better games than we did this year, but I am fine with having a single game against the likes of Arkansas, Minnesota, Washington, or TCU rather than USC, Ohio State, Georgia or Va Tech. If the rules change and it becomes an advantage to play those sorts of games then I hope the administration will move in that direction quickly and forcefully.
by Rickyspub on Jun 16, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida State was ranked #23 when they played Florida
Your claim about playing Florida State being a bad analogy is more than WEAK.
Florida could cancel those games at anytime. Just like they did with Miami(FL). Florida played Miami(FL) 49 consecutive years from 1938 – 1987. They choose to renew their series with Florida State. To imply otherwise is just fiction.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 16, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so find me an article where FSU is held out major cred for Florida's MNC bid...
I imagine Florida dropped Miami because they realized they were killing their MNC chances by having both teams on their schedule each year while teams like LSU had Louisiana-Monroe as their ‘big’ OOC game (plus they were getting an extra game of revenue that Florida wasn’t). I still think Florida’s victories over FSU in either of their championship years had little to do with why they were voted 1 or 2 by the voters.
I am still not clear why you have even continued your attacking responses. I have no idea what you want. Arkansas is not good enough but Pitt or Wake Forest are? Do you just feel ripped off as a season ticket holder? Do you have some sort of inadequacy issues that hurt in your arguments with other teams’ fans? You seem pretty intent on having what you consider a good game to watch over increasing our chances of winning titles. If you want to watch a good OOC game with two decent teams, you just listed 17 great games you can watch, why do you have to attack the team or me or the other posters in this thread for defending Arkansas as a quality opponent?
For my part, I think Mack has made the calculation that going undefeated in conference is almost impossible so he doesn’t want to take his team out of the running for the MNC (much less a BCS game) by risking two losses for the sake of adding a high profile opponent (and losing home game revenue every other year). Maybe the BCS gurus told him he had better start scheduling 2 BCS opponents if he wants to be at the front of the one-loss line, in which case I imagine you will see our schedule shift over the next several years. If they told him you better just win out, then I imagine we will see more of the same though then even teams like Arkansas might be seen as too risky.
by Rickyspub on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack wasn't vying for any NCs at N.Carolina...
…..yet he used the same chicken scheduling.
Here is a list of every OOC game played during Mack Brown’s final 9 seasons at North Carolina. You won’t find much competition on this list, including 3 Div.1-AA opponents.
VMI
(2)Kentucky
(2)Navy
(3)S.Carolina
Miami,(OH)
UConn
Cincinnati
(2)Army
William & Mary
Furman
(2)Ohio
UTEP
(2)Tulane
(2)TCU
SMU
(2)Syracuse
(2)Louisville
Houston
Indiana
Stanford
Oh, and his AD forced him to play an (8-5)USC team in a PigSkin Classic for the money.
Are you paying $70 to watch UTEP? Or is your big investment a 6-pack of St. Arnolds?
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you aren't going to come around in January celebrating if we win the MNC...
You are basically saying our season is illegitimate because you don’t find our OOC good enough for your $70 tickets. I don’t live in-state anymore so obviously I could care less about ticket prices. I would like us to schedule a decent OOC in hopes of seeing it on TV, but I am not going to call out our coach and act like it is a crime because he won’t schedule based on your tastes (much less my own) of what is considered a good matchup.
When the BCS system is set up to reward teams for scheduling difficult competition I’ll complain about our current method of scheduling until then ‘just win’ is all that matters. As of now, a win over USC or Florida in September won’t matter if we win out nor will that win matter if we lose a game later and two other BCS teams are undefeated after playing the weakest possible schedule. About the only situations where having a great OOC might matter is a three-way tie in the Big 12 South or if we finish with 1 loss and started the season ranked behind two other 1-loss teams.
You never have answered my question regarding why you are so aggressive and demanding on this front. All I can think is that you only care about your own viewing pleasure and if the team loses to a more challenging team in September that didn’t need to be scheduled and misses out of a shot at the MNC you would be fine with it. If we get to the championship game and win no one is going to talk about our weak OOC schedule back in September. I am sorry you don’t get your viewing pleasure by watching Horns. Perhaps you should choose another team to root for instead.
by Rickyspub on Jun 17, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a hatred for Mack Brown deep inside of HC.
He would blame the drought on Mack if he could.
He has never explained it, just posts more lists when asked.
by Wells on Jun 17, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well shares my embarrassment of Mack's...
….scheduling. He just can’t get comfortable with my exposure through posting of the list. Mack’s only scheduled ONE ranked OOC opponent in 11 seasons.
In the 20 seasons prior to Mack’s arrival we played 35 ranked opponents in our OOC schedules. It couldn’t be more obvious.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 18, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still haven't explained to my why the hell this is so important.
I agree that this year’s OOC schedule is weak sauce. You think Arkansas is horrible, but then include teams that have been historically worse than Arkansas as being somehow tougher competition. I don’t understand what your criteria is outside of somehow guessing what the top 25 is going to look like in a decade.
You also say most teams schedule well in advance of even 5 years before the games are played, but then how are teams supposed to know who is going to be in the top 25 in 10+ years from now? We could schedule USC for 2020 and in that time they could get the death penalty and be in D1AA and you would probably still be complaining about our weak OOC schedule!
And looking back at the pre-Brown years, how many national titles did we win in the 20 years prior to Mack’s arrival? Most of those 35 ranked OOC teams were called Oklahoma. And interestingly 14 of the others came during the period that McWilliams and Mackovic coached. Akers only played four regular season OOC games in ten years against ranked opponents not named Oklahoma. The great Darrell Royal?…4 in 19 years! In fact the darkest period of UT football in the modern era came when we overscheduled!
With the current system in play, I would like to see us schedule a single BCS conference team every year regardless of their poll position. I would prefer Arkansas over potential flash-in-the-pans like Pitt, Wake, BC, or S. Florida (all teams you have held up at some point as being either worthy competition or being worth the ticket price) or traditionally weak teams like Duke or Vanderbilt. I would like to schedule Minnesota as a potential up-and-coming team that has coaching ties to the school. I don’t see any reason to have another Ohio State series, much less any other traditional power.
You never have explained what exactly you want nor perhaps more importantly why you want it. I would love to see us play a tougher OOC schedule it there was any competitive rationale for doing so. The current system rewards traditional powers and perfection first and foremost and if you want to have a shot at MNCs these are the rules you play by. Right or wrong, we are already in the first category. If we were Tech, Okla State, or Utah I would buy into the need to take a shot at a Georgia or LSU or Va Tech to establish some legitimacy.
I say the odds are higher that we will go undefeated in any given season (using our current scheduling method) than we will ever again end up in a three-way tie for the Big 12 South. I also think there are too many variables in the one-loss train wreck situation to ever think that one good OOC game is going ensure you a spot in the MNC game. In fact, I think Mack is making the right gamble, winning a lot of games and always keeping yourself in the top 10 are the two best ways to maximize your odds in the BCS end-of-season raffle. A September loss is the surest way of falling behind everyone else unless you are in a conference where it is easy to go blemished (the Big 12 is not looking like it will fall into that category any time soon).
I have tried to be up front about what I would like as well as my rationale for why that is a realistic option based on what I want to see happen with the program. So, one last chance…what is the schedule you want to see us play and why do you want to see us play that schedule?
by Rickyspub on Jun 18, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a hint for you.
Had we lost the September 2005 game with Ohio State, then if we had then run the table as we did then, we STILL would have played in the Nat’l Championship game. Your premise to the contrary is fiction.
Time and again, you’ve made assertions that I laid to rest six feet under. You claim other marquee teams aren’t scheduling marquee opponents and that is simply false. Our fans deserve to know we’re playing games the rest of the country is willing to play. Our fans deserve to watch them play those games in Royal Memorial.
You’re claiming we schedule 5 years into the future, yet we don’t even have the 2011 scheule completed. Heck, we don’t have one single OOC game scheduled in 2014 or further into the future. Other marquee teams NOT trying to dodge marquee matchups have games scheduled out to 2017, ‘18 and ’19. You’re an apologist who wants to excuse it and I want change it. You’re not a season ticketholder and I am. You’re big gameday “investment” is your 6-pack.
I want an annual game with a marquee opponent. One from the following list: Miami(FL), Florida State, VaTech, W.Virginia, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC, Oregon or Cal. Every year, with no excuses! Then I want to see a game with a mid-level BCS-6 team such as Arizona, Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois, S.Florida, Louisville, N.Carolina, Boston College, Vanderbilt or S.Carolina. Then we can fill the schedule with Mack’s choice of Sun Belt conference patsies. Frankly, I’d rather see one of the patsies be a Texas school that could use our help – UTEP, SMU, TCU, Houston or Rice.
BTW, your reading comprehension is poor. I never said Arkansas “is horrible.” I did say, Arkansas should not be held up as “some ‘shining star’ for our OOC” schedule. Once again, those games listed are considered the better OOC games of 2009 by many others beside yours truely. Do you notice that virtually EVERY marquee program ( with the exception of LSU, Cal & Penn State) is on that list? Guess who else doesn’t make that list ?
Yr – Nat’l Champ – Quality OOC opponent
98 – Tennessee – Syracuse
99 – Florida State – GaTech, Florida
00 – Oklahoma – patsies
01 – Miami(FL) – Penn State
02 – Ohio State – Washington State
03 – USC – Auburn, Notre Dame
04 – USC – VaTech, Notre Dame
04 – LSU – Oregon State
05 – Texas – Ohio State
06 – Florida – Florida State
07 – LSU – VaTech
08 – Florida – Florida State, Miami(FL)
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 19, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you would have just posted paragraph 4 in your first post...
You have finally said what you want! Wow! Paragraph 4 and the last two sentences of the previous paragraph were all you needed to say. Instead you bash Mack and come up with arbitrary lists mostly used to bash Mack rather than making clear what you want and why.
I will say in the scheme of things your season tickets and my six packs don’t really do anything but make your main reason for wanting a tougher schedule look anything but self-serving. Your entertainment dollar is a drop in the bucket and it would likely take more than a few empty seats to get Mack to change his scheduling.
I am glad I finally have your preferred scheduling and your rationale. I now understand why you have taken such a circuitous route with your polemics, since I don’t think your evidence suggests any obvious benefits to Mack or the program that my own critiques of your approach and evidence didn’t poke holes in.
Your way of scheduling would make winning a MNC all the more difficult rather than helping our chances. I could see your argument having some application to trying to win more conference championships by having the team better prepared going into conference games, but I am not sure how much that holds weight by the time you deal with a greater likelihood of injuries and having to reveal more of your offensive and defensive packages in high-stress early games. To me it seems your real reason for complaining about the schedule comes completely down to entertainment, though I imagine if the results resembled those of the McWilliams/Mackovic era you would change your tone pretty quickly.
How can you be sure we would have played for the MNC in ’05 had we lost to OSU? Penn State (10-1) beat them later in the year and though they lost the next game on the road to a mediocre Michigan there is no guarantee the pollsters would have kept us high enough in the rankings to pass them considering it was probably one of the weakest Big 12 seasons overall since its inception.
I have never claimed other teams are scheduling only patsies. Can you tell me where I said that? I wrongly suggested Meyer is mostly dodging marquee games forgetting that he has mostly benefited because FSU and Miami have been down as of late.
In fact going through your list just shows how much a lot of these teams benefited by playing a marquee program when they were down. FSU was 6-6 in ‘06 and 8-4 in ’08 and Miami was 7-5 in ’08. Oregon State (since when are they a marquee opponent?) wasn’t ranked in ‘04 and finished the regular season at 6-5. Neither VaTech nor Notre Dame were ranked when USC played them in ’04. VaTech ended up having a great season, but ND finished the regular season 6-5. In ’03 ND finished 5-7 and Auburn finished 7-5 (neither team was ranked when USC played them). Washington State was #7 when OSU played them and finished 10-2 and were the last OOC top ten team to play against the end-of-season champion. Penn State finished 5-7 in ’01and weren’t ranked in the preseason. ‘00 speaks for itself. Syracuse was #17 when they played Tennessee and finished the regular season 8-3. What this tells me is that getting a boost from scheduling ’marquee’ OOC games is more about being lucky and catching that opponent when they are down rather than offering a boost to your profile by beating a great team.
You are still harping about the 5 year scheduling comment, when I basically deferred, but concluded that the farther out you schedule the less you can guarantee those games will still be marquee when they actually happen. In going through your list of champs above, I think that point plays out rather evidently.
My reading comprehension is just fine…and in fact this thread has shown that I was correctly taking your Arkansas comment with the right tone. The poster you jumped on never claimed Arkansas was a ‘shining star’ (your words not his) he just seem to suggest that Arkansas would have given our OOC schedule some potential credibility. You put the ‘shining star’ words into his mouth and then derisively added that calling them that (which he didn’t) was ‘laughable’. He took umbrage with your response and took your tone in the same way I did. Your subsequent posts never did anything to change that view. I don’t think it takes a leap into fantasy reading comprehension for me to think that you don’t think to highly of Arkansas!
Anyway, I am glad you finally had the ‘guts’ to share what your real thinking is regarding UT football schedules. I’ll put ‘guts’ in quotes since only the two of us will ever read your rationale for why you hate Mack’s scheduling.
by Rickyspub on Jun 19, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can be discerned....
…..from your posts is exactly what I had expected. Your apologist, joining Mack at the hip, wanting the easiest route to the Nat’l Championship game. Congratulations. You and yours are exactly why fans around the country feel we are “soft.”
After we defeated Ohio State in 2005, the Buckeyes fell to #9, while we remained at #2 behind USC. I would assume roughly the same results, in reverse, would have occured had we lost the game. Mostly it doesn’t matter as your “prayer” for proving me wrong, Penn State, was UNRANKED and tenth on the list of others receiving votes. Hahaha! Those teams between Texas and the #2 spot – LSU, VaTech, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia and Florida State – finished the regular season with 2 losses, 2 losses, 6 losses, 3 losses, 2 losses and 4 losses, respectively. Had we run the table as we did in 2005, then there never would have been an opportunity for Penn State to jump us in the rankings. Especially after #10 Penn State (your prayer team) lost to an UNRANKED Michigan squad! Our single loss to Ohio State would have moved us up to the #2 spot. As stated before, even with an early season OOC loss to Ohio State, our 2005 Longhorns would have played in the Rose Bowl for the Nat’l Championship.
Only the woosies of Longhornland are afraid of the OOC boogieman.
Thanks for playing.
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by HornChamps on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
So 2005 we might have made it anyway, big f*n’ deal. If we had lost to Ohio State they might not have lost to Penn State and we would have been left out anyway. I could probably come up with dozens of teams over the past decade that could have won the MNC if they hadn’t saddled themselves with a needlessly difficult September game. I bet if we then went to their fan bases and asked them if they would exchange that game for an easier opponent and assured victory, I bet an enormous majority would take that option in an instant.
You probably weren’t even a fan in the 90’s much less a student and alumnus during that period. Context generally has some repercussions and for many of us who were there during the McWilliams/Mackovic era we wouldn’t trade the Brown era, warts and all, for anything. If our scheduling is our biggest problem, I’ll take it over everything else because I know the Big 12 offers enough prestige and competition to keep us in contention for a shot at the BCS and the MNC regardless of our OOC schedule. My biggest beef with Mack is not what we have done in September but what we have done in November that has cost us a couple of Big 12 titles.
To me its more entertaining to watch a well-oiled UT team play top-notch competition in January than a rusty one working out the kinks in September. I care more about beating OU and A&M than about beating LSU in September.
Finally, no one calls you ‘soft’ after you win the MNC…anything else is just playing for sloppy seconds.
Thanks for playing.
by Rickyspub on Jun 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and if we are rewriting history, do you really want to try and argue that we wouldn’t have made the MNC game if Mack had had his way and we didn’t even have OSU on the schedule in ’05? Abso-freaking-lutely no way we are left out of the picture even if OSU were replaced with Chattanooga.
by Rickyspub on Jun 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did I know....
I could expect you to be one of those could’a, would’a, should’a fans?! Ifs and buts, candy and nuts – that’s you all right.
First you want to use an early season loss as the ultimate excuse for pansy scheduling. Then when it is explained to you that we would have made the Nat’l Championship game even if we had lost THE BIGGEST OOC game we’ve played in the past 20 years, you childishly proclaim, “So 2005 we might have made it anyway, big f*n’ deal.”
BTW, your crystall ball is broken. Your prediction is false. I’ve been a season ticket holder going back a lot farther than the 90s. How about 1979? I sat through the entire Route-66 and sang The Eyes. Where were you and your 6-pack?
Further evidence of how Longhorn fans are feeling about Mack’s scheduling:
http://www.shaggybevo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39567
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by HornChamps on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you bitch about Aker's scheduling as well?
I am tired of hearing your ’I’m better than you because I am a season ticket holder’ BS. Some of us have gotten our degrees and moved on…in fact most of us have. Either by choice or by necessity some of us don’t live close enough to go to the games. Like I said your pittance you put into the pot for your season tickets doesn’t make you any more important that the millions of us alumni who live in other states but watch the ’Horns on TV and get the program those big dollar TV contracts on national television.
I was going add that you could be from an even older generation but the demographics would suggest that was unlikely and I would have thought an older person would be better able to reason out that there are multiple rationales for any situation. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since egotism has no age boundaries, though most of us lose it by the end of adolescence.
I think we have made our positions clear. I want to see us win trophies. You want to see us play a couple of potential ‘marquee’ matchups in September.
by Rickyspub on Jun 24, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious!
Fred Akers played 13 ranked OOC opponents, 9 of them ranked Top-10, in his 10 seasons at Texas.
Mack Brown has played 4 ranked OOC opponents in his 11 seasons at Texas.
Yeah, 1 Conf.Championship trophy in 11 seasons. You must not be very satisfied.
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by HornChamps on Jun 24, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either your reading comprehension is low or you have a horrible memory...
As I noted up thread, Akers played 4 OOC games against ranked teams not called Oklahoma. 7 of the 9 top 10 teams were Oklahoma. Mack has faced 8 ranked OU teams in his 11 years and 7 times they were ranked in the top 10. So if OU wasn’t in our conference Mack would have had a similar number of OOC games against ranked opponents.
If you add conference games Mack has played 37 games against ranked opponents outside of the bowls while Akers played 35. McWilliams and Mackovic only had 14 ranked conference opponents during their 11 years but had 21 ranked OOC opponents (9 were OU) for a total of 35 ranked opponents. They have all been playing almost the same schedules but Mack plays in a more difficult conference than any of his three predecessors! The difference is that scheduling OOC ranked teams tends to lose you more games than saving your toughest matches for your conference schedule.
Ultimately it is hardly fair for you to count OU in your screed against Mack’s scheduling since they were, even then, a defacto ‘conference’ game since it was played every year regardless of whether OU sucked or were on probation (a very legitimate reason for ending the series). We have no replacement for that scenario. We could have tried to get Arkansas as a yearly opponent, but there was too much bad blood after they ditched the SWC for that to happen. We have in fact scheduled a former SWC foe in every year since we left the conference except the first, the problem is that the Big 12 picked up the only good SWC teams which left us with no solid OOC rivals.
You are the one calling me a Brown booster and being blind to the games of Belmont, but I have never said I am satisfied with our performance during Mack’s years. I have in fact said in this very thread I am more critical of Mack’s teams in November than I am in the team’s September performance.
I am mostly satisfied with Mack’s scheduling (since it plays directly into getting BCS bowl opportunities) and his recruiting and the way he comports himself. I am not satisfied with some of his decisions in player development and playing time, I haven’t always liked his choices for assistant coaches, and I certainly haven’t liked some of the team’s performances/coaching decisions in individual games over the years. But if I had to choose between Mack and his two immediate predecessors that make up most of my clearest memories as a Horn fan, I wouldn’t hesitate to take Mack.
by Rickyspub on Jun 25, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A hint for you.
Mack Brown faces a ranked OU team because he can’t opt out of the game. Heck, at one point (during the 5 consecutive losses to OU) he proposed splitting the Big-XII East/West in an attempt to get out of the annual games with OU. Friggin’ embarrassing!
Fred Akers, Darrell, McWilliams and Mackovic played ranked OU teams because they CHOSE to play them in their OOC schedule. It is absolutely fair to include them in the comparison. Just like Florida CHOSE to discontinue their games with Miami(FL) after 49 consecutive years (1938 – 1987), Texas could, but didn’t, have stopped playing OU.
As I said before, in the 20 seasons prior to Mack’s arrival, we played 35 ranked opponents in our OOC schedules. It couldn’t be more obvious.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 26, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to believe that the athletic dept would let Mack opt out of OU...
In the end you are nuts. Mack would get run out of town on a rail if he even proposed dropping OU from the schedule. He might want to, but there is no way in hell he would ever have been given the power to do so.
Florida dropped Miami because they also had FSU on their OOC schedule. Spurrier basically got fired because he was losing either one or both of those games. They decided to keep the FSU game probably because they didn’t want to compete with Thug U anymore.
As I said before Mack has played 37 ranked opponents in 11 years. Mackovic and McWilliams played 35 in 11 years and Akers played 35 in 10 years. The Darrell Royal played a grand total of 39 ranked teams in 20 years! I’ll give you that Mack has played a lower percentage of games against ranked teams, but if the NCAA wants to keep adding useless games in September while claiming that a playoff is disruptive and makes players play too many games then I’ll back Mack’s decision to keep the patsy parade going. Mack wants a playoff which to me says more than scheduling Notre Dame or Ohio State in September.
by Rickyspub on Jun 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was Notre Dame's last conference championship again?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you can't blame texas for Arkansas
the addition of the A&M game in Arlington made them move to re-schedule the texas game.
They don’t want to play A&M and texas in non-conference in the same season. This means they probably won’t re-schedule that game until 2019, at the earliest, though.
by Beergut on Jun 12, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, Arkansas is now a second tier program like A&M n/t
by Rickyspub on Jun 12, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad y'all lost to that "second tier" program two of the last three years
by Beergut on Jun 12, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually...
the second tier program that Sherman is running lost to us
by vy til i die on Jun 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad you lost 74 of the last 115.
You 2nd tier program, you.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 12, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sh*t happens...
Y’all lost to Arkansas State…a third tier program. At least we lost to a team that is a rival and in the same conference!
by Rickyspub on Jun 15, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin's writeup
Louisiana-Monroe will be breaking in a retooled offense with a new quarterback. The road trip to Wyoming doesn’t resonate like some the Longhorns have made to places like Ohio State and Arkansas in recent seasons. The Cowboys will be breaking in a new quarterback, too. UTEP could contend for the Conference USA West title, but the Miners are a different team on the road. And the Nov. 7 game against Central Florida will bring the nation’s worst offensive team from last season into Austin.
The fact that he actually added some color to each of these teams strikes me as funny. He could have just listed the schools we are playing and that would have been enough to illustrate our pathetic OOC schedule.
by Horncasting on Jun 11, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The comment we tried IS correct...
I for one think its a shame the Arkanasas game fell through. They would have been better this year than last having had a full year under Petrino. We just need to run the table this year and I think we can do that..
1 Peter 2:17
by HornsFan87 on Jun 11, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and they would have been better last year
if at least one of their running backs had stayed in school, which may have also gotten us to the Big 12 championship.
by hungry on Jun 12, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want no part of Texas....for now
Subterfuge…Arkansas wants some time to develop under Petrino. Playing A&M in Dallas helps their exposure to recruits. Getting humiliated by Texas at home would put Petrino and the AD in the hotseat and shatter the illusion for restless piglet fans that think way to much of Razorback prowess of yore.
Mack Brown did want to schedule cream puffs for OOC games. The thinking was winning the Big XII and going undefeated was all that was needed to get to the MNC game, but he seems to be thinking differently after last year’s tiebreaker mess. I’d definitely like to see Texas schedule midlevel top 50 OOC teams for games earlier in the season, or shift some Big XII teams forward and schedule a top 10 in the latter middle part of the season. We’ll always have North Texas or Rice on our schedule for recruiting exposure. (Odd that neither Dallas nor Houston has any teams of significance since the “death penalty” at SMU and run-and-shoot at Houston.) We should schedule LSU instead of Tulane or La-Monroe.
The pride and winning tradition of The University of Texas will not be entrusted to the weak or the timid.
Hook'em
by longhorns1 on Jun 13, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chaisson is a Sooner
No surprise. See the post from reader jkovach.
Thanks for finding this.
by dimecoverage on Jun 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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