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Horns_bullet_mediumBut first, the obligatory Lache Seastrunk section. After Seastrunk failed to make it down to Austin for the first summer camp, the speculation here and on other sites was that Mack Brown would choose to move on, as the Texas head coach often remarks that he doesn't want to recruit players unless they want to be at Texas.

However, Seastrunk says that he and the Longhorns have not yet moved on ($). He says that Texas is still interested in him and that he is still "very high on Texas." While the interviewer failed to ask Seastrunk (or Seastrunk failed to answer) why he did not make his anticipated appearance in Seastrunk, the talented Temple back did say that he is keeping busy with his summer school schedule in an effort to graduate in December. Busy enough that he may not take any unofficial visits this summer, though not too busy to make it to the Baylor camp last weekend. Perhaps the biggest revelation was that he plans on having his ultimate decision made by mid-September, though it wasn't clear if he is changing his plans to announce that decision in January.

Seastrunk also said that he has recently been running the 40 in the high 4.2s, a number with which he is still not satisfied. Working in the weight room is also a priority for the summer, as Seastrunk attempts to strengthen his upper body in an effort to become physical enough to be an every-down back in college, a desire that still seems somewhat far-fetched.

Whether Texas does really continue to recruit Seastrunk remains to be seen, but the Longhorns do have other options in the 2011 class, which is incredibly deep at that position. If Texas does decide to move on from Seastrunk, it's extremely unlikely that they would pursue another running back in the 2010 class.

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Horns_bullet_mediumSpeaking of those 2011 running backs...The second summer camp is traditionally attended by many of the top players in the 2011 class and this year was no different. Some of the most important players in attendance were members of that deep running back class. Though talented backs like Bradley Marquez and Herschel Sims did not make it into town, Aaron Green and Malcolm Brown, widely considered the top two backs, both participated in the camp.

Both Green and Brown commented that they enjoyed working with Major Applewhite, apparently having no concerns about Applewhite's lack of experience playing or coaching the position, with Green saying that he thinks Applewhite is "real cool." Green added that his friend Brown caught the ball well out of the backfield ($), while Brown said that Applewhite was coaching the running backs on proper technique ($), showing an understanding and desire to teach the subtle nuances of the position. While Brown said that he has no early leader, Texas was among the group of schools (OU, LSU, Georgia, A&M, and TCU) Brown named as schools in which he has an early interest.

Horns_bullet_mediumUpdate on the 2010 linebackers. The big news is that the Longhorns did extend an offer ($) to Marshall linebacker Aaron Franklin after his strong performance at the camp last week. Even though the Longhorns are his childhood favorite, Franklin did not commit after being offered, citing his loyalty to the teams who started recruiting him earlier in the process. Franklin did say that he wants to make a decision by the end of the summer and said that Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Baylor make up his current top four schools.

The logical question now is what happens with Corey Nelson and Jordan Hicks, since there isn't room in the class for all three. Franklin provided insight into that question, relating that the Texas coaches told him that they would take the first two linebackers to commit ($). Perhaps because of that news, Corey Nelson now says that he is shortening his timetable ($) for a decision because of concerns about schools still having available scholarships, with an announcement due in November or December. The Longhorns are in his top five with Stanford, LSU, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma. Nelson also explained why he did not make it down to Austin this week, saying that his parents took his brother down to Prairie View A&M and were not able to return in time to drive Nelson down to the camp. The good news is that Nelson took the ACT last Saturday, causing him to miss a scheduled visit to Oklahoma.

[Update]: Nelson now says that he will take his official visits ($) in the fall to UCLA, Michigan, Texas A&M, Stanford, and Oklahoma, saying that he feels more comfortable with the latter three schools than LSU and Texas. Nelson says that the commitments of his teammates to Oklahoma (Joe Powell) and Texas A&M (Domonique Patterson) is having a big impact and no doubt helping his comfort level with those schools. However, Nelson does say that Texas is still in the running ($).

Jordan Hicks is still on the radar, as well. Conventional wisdom has long held that the Longhorns stand little chance of stealing Hicks away from Ohio State unless he makes it down to Austin for another visit. It won't happen this summer, but Hicks did announce the three official visits ($) he plans to take in the fall: Ohio State, USC, and Texas. Since Hicks is tentatively planning on graduating in December, he will likely make an announcement about his decision in December. News of his official visit to Austin is heartening, but his mom reportedly enjoyed their recent trip to meet with Jim Tressell, so it may have just gotten hard to get Hicks to leave the Buckeye State.

Horns_bullet_mediumTalented defensive ends in attendance. Though Evangel Christian defensive end Jermauria Rasco will be a top Longhorn target and a top national prospect, there are still talented defensive ends in the state of Texas in the 2011 class. One of those prospects is Klein Oak's Nathan Hughes, a 6-5, 243-pounded with power and quickness. Texas is the early favorite for Hughes ($), who says that he may not attend any other camps and received a lot of positive feedback from Oscar Giles.

Another top prospect is Cleveland's Cedric Reed, who may be the top defensive end in the state. Reed already reports seven verbal offers ($), but says that he doesn't have any favorites and likely will not attend any other summer camps. The visit was enjoyable for the talented defensive end, who liked the facilities and the enthusiasm of the coaches.

Houston Memorial's James Rushing has not yet played a down of varsity football ($), but the 6-4, 218-pounder is ranked no. 38 on the 2011 LSR and is looking forward to having a big junior season. Rushing says that he enjoyed how the coaches run the Texas program and wants to find himself as a player next year.

Horns_bullet_mediumCamp tidbits. A few random notes from the camp on Sunday:

  • Evangel Christian Jermauria Rasco was not able to make the trip because he took the ACT over the weekend.
  • DeMarco Cobbs once again did not make it down to Austin ($), saying that he didn't have the right ID to get on the plane to Austin. However, there is some speculation that Cobbs simply decided to go to Tennessee instead, as the camp in Knoxville occurred at the same time Cobbs was supposed to be in Austin. Cobbs said on Sunday night that he was getting the proper identification to travel to Tennessee. Strange and difficult to know what actually happened, but it's probably safe to say that Cobbs is once again off the radar.
  • Spring Westfield defensive tackle Desmond Jackson showed off his quickness at the camp and said that he doesn't plan on attending any other camps. Perhaps the top defensive tackle in 2011, Anderson was born in Austin and spent the first eight years of his life there.
  • Lake Oswego athlete Tyson Coleman did make it down to Austin for the three-day camp with his parents. Good news, as his visit confirms his interest in Texas.
  • Belton quarterback David Ash had a strong performance in his competition with JW Walsh for title of the top prospect in the 2011 class. The Texas coaches will take a long look at both of them.
  • Jaxon Shipley, who was in town all last week staying with his older brother, reportedly had an impressive camp, showing off good hands and polished route-running ability. He's probably as close to a lock to commit if offered as anyone ever has been.
  • Killeen Ellison's Devon Hocutt, Stony Point's PL Lindley, and Cedar Park's Chet Moss all reportedly had strong camps.
  • Whitehouse receiver Trey Metoyer ran a 4.58 at the camp and came away impressed with Texas ($).
  • The visit vaulted Texas into the number one spot ($) for Arlington's Miles Onyegbule.

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"Didn't make it to Austin"

How common is it for a recruit, “not to make it to the campus?”

Mack lately has a high hit rate among players he targets that are also interested in UT. But this year it seems there have been a double digit number of times where a commit was scheduled to show up for an event and just didn’t show up. Usually the excuse is pretty lame. Does this happen a lot at other schools too? Or, is this a case of people wanting to be recruited by Texas although they may not really be interested?

by JohnsonUT on Jun 18, 2009 7:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the latter has a lot to do with it

Ryan Perrilloux made it cool to screw around with big name schools that you have no intention of playing for. String them along just enough for everyone to know they’re after you really hard, and then cut them loose. It’s all a big game for some of these guys.

by bassale47 on Jun 18, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some of these recruits, that's very true.

Keep in mind that some of these kids, and make no mistake they’re kids, have never had any money, have never traveled out of their city, have never had people take them to expensive dinners or been to a college campus. This process more than anything is their first taste of life outside where they grew up for a lot of these kids, its not unreasonable for them to soak it all in.

by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 18, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly is a "wrong ID"?

Did he bring his GI Joe Fan Club card or something?

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 18, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently he had copies of his birth certificate and Social Security card.

That was from one report. The other subscription services just thought that he decided to go to Tennessee instead. Who knows with Cobbs.

by GhostofBigRoy on Jun 18, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

while that may be true...

the only ID you need is a driver’s license…he doesn’t drive either?

by thebrat on Jun 18, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming from a small town in SE Texas with a large population of people with out money, just because he drives doesn’t mean he has a drivers license. I knew quite a few people who started driving when they were 13 or 14 and never got a license.

by UT_BKC on Jun 18, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy this stuff

You can’t tell me he didn’t know that he needed ID to get on an airplane. Come on. I don’t care how old you are or how much travel experience you have, everyone knows you can’t travel without identification.

Regardless, the bottom line is that if a guy is really interested in Texas, he’ll make every necessary effort to get to campus. If he’s not going to put forth that effort, then that should tell us everything we need to know about his intentions. I’m tired of all the excuse-making for these kids who so obviously get a thrill out of jerking us around.

by bassale47 on Jun 18, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could happen

Not everybody knows that you need an ID with photo to travel. A lot of people have never flown anywhere and none of their immediate family have flown anywhere.

by Kafka on Jun 18, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One excuse is as good as another

If he wanted to camp at Texas he would have made it happen. Obvously he didn’t want it to happen. If somebody cannot figure out how to get to town to camp at Texas, it isn’t likely that they are smart enough to stay in school at Texas.
No hard feelings, but just be honest and move along.

by jkovach on Jun 19, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great write-up

Didn’t know the semi-good news on Lache..

by hornfan4eva on Jun 18, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, worst toilet in Texas! I’m hoping to never set foot there again. The lone saving grace of the Killeen “centroplex” is its proximity to Austin.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that it gave us Roy Miller

Garrett Gilbert: 2014 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year

by jordansb on Jun 18, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, there are some good players who’ve come out of there. Priest Holmes, I believe, among many others. I just hate that area so much. The time I spent at Ft. Hood is, no kidding, the absolute worst stretch in my entire life, and the culture of the centroplex had as much to do with that as anything. I got the hell out of there to get down to Salado and Austin as much as possible.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure...

Priest Holmes played high school ball at San Antonio Marshall; I don’t know anything about Kileen.

by vy til i die on Jun 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you mean Desmond Jackson?

Desmond Jackson is the DT from Spring Westfield, Marquise Anderson is the DT from Cibola Steele.
http://texas.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=2366

by pevodog on Jun 18, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I rarely, rarely ever.....

speak poorly of a recruit before his decision.

With that said, DeMarco Cobbs and Lane Kiffin deserve one another.

The guy seems to enjoy making our staff look stupid and I personally hope we don’t give him another bit of communication.

Sistrunk is a fine athlete, however he no Deion Sanders. High 4.2s my ass. Chizik had better be careful what he asks for.

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by HornChamps on Jun 18, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I always get a good chuckle out of these self-reported times. There’s no way on earth Seastrunk runs a 4.28 or so. I’d be shocked if more than five prospects in any nation-wide recruiting class run faster than 4.40.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

That said, he still looks like he’s probably one of the fastest in the country in terms of footspeed, and I’d bet money on him in agility/quickness drills against just about anyone I’ve seen of that age. He’s a speed-demon to be sure. He just has a lot of physical conditioning and maturation to undergo before he breaks under 4.30.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still want him in Burnt Orange!

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Jun 18, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto. In relative terms, he’s probably among the fastest in the country, but I don’t believe for a second than any of the top RB recruits in any given season can run under 4.30.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2011 Linebackers UT camp

Killeen Ellison’s Devon Hocutt, Stony Point’s PL Lindley, and Cedar Park’s Chet Moss all reportedly had strong camps

They looked really good. Especially PL Lindley from Stony Point. He is the prototypical Muschamp LB (6’2 210) very rangy and quick. He was excellent in pass coverage in the 1 on 1 drills.

by platnmram on Jun 18, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All you need is a DL...

are there different ID’s to travel to different states? He’s getting the property ID to go to Tennessee, but can’t get one to come to Texas? LAME.

The best thing about these 17 year olds is they feel like nobody will second guess the bullshit coming out of their mouths. They expect people will believe they are telling the truth, because unless we can prove otherwise we just assume they are telling the truth.

But, when a lie is totally obvious…they ought to have a little more sense to figure out a better excuse, other than…“the ID I needed to get to Texas was no good, but I can get one to Tennessee”.

I’d say stop recruiting both Cobbs and Seastrunk. Both clowns should go to another program and I will be just fine with that.

by Hippie Killer on Jun 18, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven’t read the direct quote, but if you have, you might post it. What I’m getting out of GoBR’s paraphrasing is that Cobbs said he forgot to take proper ID to the airport, so he couldn’t go through security and board the plane, but figured since he’d missed getting to Austin, he’d just go to Tennessee instead, and would make sure he took the right ID this time. Not sure I buy that for a second, but it’s not as stupid-sounding as a statement that he thinks there are different IDs for different destinations. It’s at least plausible, however improbable.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Sunday night, Cobbs didn't have the proper ID,

but he said that he would be getting an identification card or driver’s license by Tuesday. That’s what Cobbs said. Sounds like a load of crap, of course.

He also said that he wanted the people at BOB to apologize to Texas fans for him. So take that for what it’s worth, if anything.

by GhostofBigRoy on Jun 18, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well…sounds improbable, but again, it’s possible. He’s from okie, after all.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

40 times

Several years ago a guy accumulated race footage of various world class sprinters, with the intention of determining just how fast world record holders would do the 40. He used digital documentation from 100s and indoor 60s, precise distance markers to extrapolate times, etc.

His results provided exact times on world class sprinters at the 40 yd point in their races. No hand held times. No spin. Exact precise results on the fastest men on the planet.

As I recall, none of them ran much under 4.3… thereby exploding the myth that slower yet enthusiastic football players were somehow doing 4.2 at will. If Usain Bolt can’t, who can?

by utexex on Jun 18, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They are two different differences...

I have read that 100 times don’t always translate well on the football field which is why the 40 time is the standard. I would have to imagine the strategy for running a 100 yd dash doesn’t necessarily mean get through the first 40 as fast as possible. It could be that they build up speed in hopes of being their fastest later in the race. So if Bolt were trying to maximize his time in the 40 he might run it faster than he would his first 40 of a 100 yd race. It could also mean that world class 100 yd specialists aren’t necessarily the fastest in a 40 yd dash without changing their training. So Marquise Goodwin might beat Seastrunk by a full second in the 100, but Seastrunk might beat Goodwin by several tenths of sec in a 40.

I could be completely wrong, but I have heard it said track sprinters don’t always pan out in football because they aren’t especially quick or fast in that 40 yd span.

by Rickyspub on Jun 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

World-class 100m sprinters would destroy ANY current NFL player in the 40yd. dash, period. It is literally unthinkable that a 100m guy would do anything but accelerate at the fastest rate possible, so there is literally going to be zero difference between how he comes out in a 40yd. dash and how he comes out in a 100m race. The last-place guy in the Olympic finals would have no problem against Lache Seastrunk,

The issue is that the times you see for these guys are bogus. They get to start whenever they want, so reaction time is irrelevant. Olympic sprinters have to start on the gun, not on their own first movement. So the football method is flawed even when timing electronically, and far more flawed in the way that most of these high school kids are measured: hand-timing by favorable coaches.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

High school 40 runners get a bunny to chase, which gave you (me) an extra .03.
I will strongly agree with you on another thing, assuming a 100m sprinter isn’t running all out from the gun is absolutely asinine.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jun 18, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So there isn't a supersprinter vs. sprinter, sort of like there is a sprinters vs. distance guys?

For instance guys like Michael Johnson excelled in the 200 and 400 but not the 100. It seems like those two longer events cluster more than guys doing both the 100 and 200 (or it could be I am just turning Michael Johnson into a couple of other guys who don’t exist!). So if there were a world class 50 (I think there used to be back in the early days of the Olympics), you don’t think those guys would be faster than the 100 guys would be in their first 50?

by Rickyspub on Jun 18, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really, not at the 100m distance. The guys who are the best 55m or 60m sprinters in indoor track are almost invariably the same guys who are the best at the 100m in outdoor track. I ran at a number of meets at which Maurice Greene was competing, and at the time he was among the world’s best in both.

You are right about the 100 vs. 200 vs. 400m, though. 100m and 40yd. are both pure acceleration, while 200m. is slightly less acceleration-based than either of those.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info!

I didn’t realize they run 55 and 60m sprints in indoor track! I still would have thought there would be specialists in the shorter distances. In the highly competitive meets (the only ones I would likely ever see) it seems like the top guys only really pull away in the second half of the race, so I wondered if there is a difference in technique or in physique that allows some guys a fast start but a limited top end acceleration or if there are just physical limits to getting up to speed and some guys just have more speed at the end.

I don’t follow track much, but when I know see the guys running the 100m these days they look as big as football players. I guess Marquis Goodwin’s recruitment sort got me back to wondering about track guys becoming football guys.

by Rickyspub on Jun 19, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usain Bolt is really the exception when it comes to the size of sprinters. Most aren’t nearly that big. Tim Montgomery, who was stripped of his titles and records because of positive steroid tests, is only 5’10" and about 175lbs., and even those who appear big enough on paper to play football have different muscular balance than what one would expect in a WR or CB.

Walter Dix and John Capel are probably the two most accomplished sprinters who also played football, and if you have ever watched either of them play, they’re definitely a lot faster than any of those supposed 4.2 guys. Yet Capel’s 40 was 4.37, which was .01 seconds faster than Steve Smith (Utah, Carolina Panthers) ran at the same combine. If you lined those guys up in a gun-started race, Capel would destroy Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, Devin Hester, and possibly Deion in his prime. The only NFL player I can remember who was actually a threat to true sprinters was Darrell Green, the HOF CB for the Redskins (and incidentally Houston native, grad of Texas A&I, aka TAMU-Kingsville).

by burntorangehorn on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might I direct you to two.

Bo Jackson & Hershel Walker

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jun 19, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither would stand up against Carl Lewis or Usain Bolt.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 19, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's a push.

Lewis and Bolt couldn’t stand up against an NFL defense.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jun 19, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely right. This is why Bolt runs track, and Bo played football (and baseball).

by burntorangehorn on Jun 19, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to start by saying that I agree most HS 40 times are bogus...

I was just repeating a lot of what I have read or heard regarding why sprinters don’t seem to translate well into footballers.

by Rickyspub on Jun 18, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess

They don’t translate because they are unaccustomed to being hit by fellow sprinters that weigh 100lbs more than themselves.
Somewhere, Bob Hayes is smiling down on us.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jun 18, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s about right.

Plus, as we all have probably heard a few times, there’s a difference between track speed and functional football speed. A guy who is the fastest in track spikes and a singlet won’t necessarily be the fastest in pads, nor the most likely to hold up well to repeated de-cleaters.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 18, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. Well, I thought he was from Ft. Hood, but I guess that was just where his father was stationed. I remember he was there toward the end of his dad’s army career or something. Tommie Harris as well, IIRC.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 19, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's great to hear about David Ash.

I’ve met him a few times during the holidays since he’s my girlfriend’s cousin, but I wasn’t aware he was on the recruiting radar of programs like Texas.

by horns129 on Jun 19, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Word is that the Texas coaches spent about an hour

talking to Ash after the camp, mostly Greg Davis, though it sounds pretty serious with him. It’s difficult to know if the coaches spent that much time with JW Walsh the week before, whom I really like, but Ash is a little taller and may have a better arm and similar speed (hard to judge sometimes when one player is taller than another).

by GhostofBigRoy on Jun 19, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

Here’s your chance to be a true Longhorn hero and talk this guy into committing! Of course, if you get involved and he decides to go elsewhere you might want to consider the witness relocation program!

by Rickyspub on Jun 19, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct...

Priest Holmes went to San Antonio Marshall. I was on the team with him. He was good in High School too.

by Hippie Killer on Jun 19, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seastrunk running a 40 in the 4.2s

Yeah right. Where did that time come from—his Auburn recruiter? I believe he can run a 4.2 40 just like I believe he will win the Heisman and National Championship at Auburn. I’m over him. He may say that Texas and he are still dancing, but I think he has mistaken Mack for his own shadow. I’m very glad to see the deck stacked at RB for 2011 and I am sure that we will be fine with or without him or Cobbs.

by jkovach on Jun 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m just hoping Whaley makes us all forget about Seastrunk, whether or not Lache chooses to go elsewhere. I’d rather the quiet, unheralded kid dominate over the showboat, even if they’re on the same team.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 19, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

I’m sure Shead is wondering why everyone seems to be ingoring him. I really hope that Shead is the real surprise.

by jkovach on Jun 19, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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