Does anyone buy into VT: Nat'l Title Contender
I was just watching a bit of College Football Live today on the old worldwide leader. One of their focuses today was Virginia Tech's prospects for 2009. Now let me preface this by saying I don't know a great deal about the ACC or Virginia Tech for that matter but I consider myself a fairly educated unbiased observer. When I hear that Virginia Tech is a serious contender to win it all I find myself really skeptical.
I just wonder, what exactly has Virginia Tech done in the last 3-5 years to justify the hype? They've won the ACC three times in a row. That's nice, certainly we Horns fans can't exactly scoff at that. However comparing the Big 12 competition to the ACC isn't fair. In addition when was the last time Virginia Tech beaten another legit elite contender. When they played LSU they were completely outclassed. I think they have 1 BCS victory in 4 tries, and that is against Cincinnati.
They have a respectable defensive unit year in and year out, and I do admire that. At the same time, factor in the teams they play in conference and how the defense fares out of conference and I have my doubts about the numbers it puts up.
Aside from that I look at the overall talent pool VT brings in yearly and I'm not impressed. Don't get me wrong there's a lot to be said about "coaching up" players and finding "hidden gems" but at the end of the day you need big time talent to beat big time talent on a consistent basis.
I look at QB Tyrod Taylor, a nice athlete who has contributed a lot to VT's success. He still isn't a polished passer (who is right?) and I have doubts about whether he brings enough to the table to make a step up from good to great. The offense around him is young and scrappy (AKA 2-star or 3-star talent) and I just dont see a dangereous team.
Overall when I think Virginia Tech I think: consistency, defense and special teams, good coach, scrappy. I don't think Virginia Tech: National Title Contender. They're good for 9-10 wins a season, maybe a conference crown but they have a ceiling.
Anyone disagree? I understand this is BON but I think its okay to talk about college ball at large, especially in the off-season. Please inform me if I'm way off base...
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I've argued for the last few years
That the ACC has been very unimpressive, and in some years, even dead last among all the six major conferences (back when Louisville and West Virginia had their coaches). Last season, I laughed at Clemson’s #9 preseason ranking, and I was proven right when they got blasted by Alabama (who was slightly overrated themselves) and subsequently went downhill. Virginia Tech is normally much better at meeting preseason expectations than Clemson, but they are still sometimes disappointments.
V-tech deserves due credit for their conference championships, but as you said, it’s the ACC, a conference full of middle-of-the-road teams. The ACC and the Big East are two big reasons I still sometimes doubt a playoff system, because I know there is no way a playoff will be created without these, frankly, subpar conferences getting a guaranteed spot. If there was a playoff last season, anyone who thinks V-tech should get a playoff spot over Texas, Alabama, Texas Tech, or USC if Oregon State ended up winning the Pac-10 has no idea what they’re talking about.
Thus, I agree with your assessment. V-tech has a solid program and in their conference, it’s good enough to compete for conference titles every season as well as win 9 or 10 games. But put them up against the other national powers, and they are a bit out of their league right now.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 22, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All or Nothing
Either all of the conference champions should get an automatic berth into a playoff or none should. Otherwise, it affects the integrity of the competition.
by Eskimohorn on Jun 22, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don’t think there should be auto-berths if we go to a playoff system. That goes for every conference.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 22, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Advantage of auto-berths for all
1) They do provide a failsafe measure as an alternative to polls and provide a clear and winnable objective for every team in D1.
2) Enhance the importance of conference play and championships. Addresses the bogus argument against the playoff that it devalues the regular season.
In the current system, 11 conference champs with 5 wildcards would provide for a suitable playoff system. In a perfect world – the Sun Belt is eliminated as a viable D1 conference and D1 is contracted to 100 teams, with 10 conference champs and 6 wildcards.
That’s all I’m going to say on this thread.
by Eskimohorn on Jun 22, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow
damn, you said it perfectly. Good job!
by cheevyjames on Jun 23, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your argument is only relevant if we have a large, 16 team tournament
Which isn’t going to happen. If anything, it’s going to start at four and at most go to eight, and that’s being optimistic. In that format, putting in conference champs from weak conferences would be grossly unfair to better teams around the country. For example, if there was an eight team playoff last season, two of Texas, Texas Tech, Utah, or Alabama would not be in the final tournament, while the likes of Cincy would be.
Furthermore, having such a number such as 8 and 16 would bring up other, legitimate issues, such as whether or not it is fair to the #1 and #2 teams that they are basically treated the same as everyone else, with no homefield advantage, byes, etc.
Even given a 16 team tournament, I would disagree in some parts with your two points. Your first one doesn’t address the fact that conferences have widely different levels of play. Hopefully, this is mitigated by putting in wildcards, but again, that is under the assumption that a playoff would grow to such a large size. As for your second, I agree that the argument that a playoff devalues the regular season is bogus, but for different reasons. In fact, I would argue that many conferences, the way they are set up, really do devalue the regular season to some degree, such as the Big 12 championship game between typically weak North champions vs. the South. A playoff would not devalue the regular season because, in the advent of a small playoff, there’s simply still not a lot of room for error to get in the top four to six spots. Other methods can address this too, such as billyzane’s flex method,
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should be clearer here
“that is under the assumption that a playoff would grow to such a large size.”
Of course, I am assuming at that point that it is 16 teams. What I mean is that this assumes that when the playoffs do grow that large, there will be some sort of base standard among all 100-some odd Division 1 teams, like there is in the 32 NFL teams. I don’t think this is the case, and while I have respect for teams like Utah, there are many other conferences out there (you mentioned the Sun Belt) that I would have a problem with getting autoberths.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’d be unfair to put in the conference champs from the little-sisters instead of runners-up in stronger conferences. There should be zero wild-cards.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't agree
This is not professional ball, where teams are normally pretty evenly matched even if they come from relatively weaker divisions. There are simply too many teams with a wide range of play level to justify just basing everything on conferences. If you have a playoff for a national title that will feature Rice instead of Texas, it is a broken system. Plain and simple.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 24, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about an NFL style 12 team playoff?
I think a college football playoff will be a work in progress if and when it does finally come to fruition. I bet it starts small, maybe as weak as a ‘Plus 1’. From there it will grow to 8 teams and that might be the stasis point for some time. But money and some controversy will inevitably lead to growth. It could end up a full 16 or perhaps even an NFL-style 12 team with top seeds getting byes.
I am definitely in the more is better camp and I like the major conference champs getting auto-bids. I think going that route also makes a playoff more likely, since it will please the major players if their conferences get a piece of the playoff pie no matter what. I like making conference championships more important since it frees up the OOC for better matchups. Keep something like the BCS in place for seeding and determining wildcards, but make strength of schedule a major component and you’ll see marquee matchups increase by leaps and bounds.
by Rickyspub on Jun 24, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn on this
On the one hand, an expanded 16 team tournament would guarantee all deserving teams get in even with autobids from the major conferences, and even if we don’t do that for the midmajors, the likes of Utah, Boise State, and Hawaii from past years would undoubtedly be in it. The problem here is that you’d be hard pressed to find a year in college football, even in controversial ones, where 16 teams deserve a chance at the title. Even in 2007 with a 2 loss LSU champion, I don’t think there were 16 teams all vying for a legit title shot. And that’s what some people are afraid of; if you allow teams who clearly do not deserve a title shot into the tournament, it will devalue the regular season as a whole because now a team with two or even three losses has the same chance as an undefeated team, especially if there are no perks for being ranked highly such as homefield or byes. In many ways, all this makes me really favor billyzane’s flex method, but I know that is not going to happen because none of these bowls will be happy with a “possible” semifinal game.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 24, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is 'deserving'...
What defines ‘deserving’? Guys like HornChamps almost go so far as to suggest that our OOC scheduling makes us illegitimate and undeserving of a shot at the national championship and while most of us agree teams like Utah, Boise State, and BUY need to do more than be undefeated to deserve a shot at the title there are many who question why these teams are less deserving of a shot than teams from power conferences. So who is right? This ‘deserving’ element is what is wrong with the current system and is ultimately the whole point of a playoff. While some may argue who does or doesn’t belong in a playoff, if there are enough teams involved to make a credible sample (I would say 8 teams is the lower limit) and the rules for entry into the playoff are transparent and hopefully devoid of bias then whatever team manages to win three straight against a collection of top talent deserves their title.
The argument that team #8 out of 8 didn’t deserve to be there is a weak argument especially when the current system, often as not, gets #2 out of 2 wrong and sometimes even gets #1 and #2 out of 2 wrong. The #8 seed will have a chance to prove their worthiness by playing the #1 seed (if you want to make it more difficult then make the first round games at the home of the higher seed) and if they manage to win that they will then have to beat 2 other teams ranked above them for the title. Could you ultimately end up with a #8 seed as champion? Yes. But why is that wrong? This playoff would almost certainly pit the champion against at least 2 or 3 tougher teams than they likely faced during the season.
I agree with you that 16 teams might be more than is needed to crown a credible champion, which is why I suggested the 12 team scenario that would benefit top seeds by giving them a bye. I think 8 teams is probably the sweet spot for ensuring great competition in the fewest number of games, but the power of money is strong and I imagine once a playoff is a reality there will be constant pressure to expand.
by Rickyspub on Jun 25, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm generally fine with 8 teams
16 is pushing it, and that’s why i responded the way I did. Nonetheless, I disagree in part with this:
The argument that team #8 out of 8 didn’t deserve to be there is a weak argument especially when the current system, often as not, gets #2 out of 2 wrong and sometimes even gets #1 and #2 out of 2 wrong.
You’re arguing two different things. You’re saying that it’s absurd to say a team is not deserving because the system has trouble with the top two spots, but that’s not the issue; even with a playoff, I’m sure we would all agree that the ranking system itself needs fixing. The issue is how big this field should be to make sure we get all deserving teams while preserving the legitimacy of the regular season such that we don’t have a slew of 2 to 3 loss teams in the playoff every year. Certainly, “deserving” is often difficult to assess, but that’s a problem about the ranking system, not about the idea of exclusion. You’re going to have to have a cutoff place at some point.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 25, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why is a 2 or 3 loss team not deserving?
This is my issue with the current situation. You are buying into the current paradigm that a team can’t lose (or can only lose one game ) to be considered ‘deserving’ of being in the championship hunt. That way of thinking ignores facts like strength of schedule, early season games when a team may be finding its identity, or even a mid-season injury (e.g., I am not sure we lose at home to OSU in 2006 if the game is played in November prior to Colt’s injury, but the loss basically ended our hopes for the title before most of the season had even occurred). That is why I think the conference championship should be the clearest road to getting into the playoff. Every team gears up for their conference and there should be little dispute about the legitimacy of those teams because the rules would be set.
Those early season OOC games now have no relevance and in fact are degraded by the current system that only rewards teams who are undefeated or close to it. I understand that in some years an unranked team is going to beat a ranked team in a conference championship game and get into the playoffs. To me that is part of the charm of this idea and it continues to drive home the importance of the regular season. If that team then goes on a run and beats three or four of top 7 (or 11 or 15) teams seeded in front of it, who am I to say they didn’t deserve it. On the flip side I could argue that if a team with an undefeated regular season can’t win three or four more games to win the national championship then the legitimacy of their regular season should be called into question. If you didn’t play the best then how can you ever claim to be the best?
I don’t think it is possible to have a ranking system that will do what you want it to do. There are too many teams and too much bias. As I said earlier, the best way to ensure you have a credible selection of top teams is to take as many teams as possible. That said, at this point I even would take the 6 BCS conference champs and two wildcards, determined by something similar to the BCS formula, and pit them off in a playoff. If I had complete control I think I would go with a 12-team, NFL-style playoff. The 6 BCS conference champs and 6 wildcards are seeded based on a BCS/RPI-style formula with a strong strength-of-schedule component. The top 4 seeds get a first round bye. Will it always play out that the ‘best’ team going in wins? No. Will it be fun to watch and even more rewarding to win? Damn straight!
by Rickyspub on Jun 26, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I buy into such a paradigm?
After all, LSU lost twice in 2007 and I, and most others, knew they were going to dominate the one-loss Ohio State. When I mean “deserving,” I mean you take in the total package, which includes strength of schedule. Still, even with a strong schedule, it boils down to winning the games you are dealt. Sometimes, you cannot control your schedule. What you can control is winning games.
(e.g., I am not sure we lose at home to OSU in 2006 if the game is played in November prior to Colt’s injury, but the loss basically ended our hopes for the title before most of the season had even occurred)
Absolutely not true. We had the inside track to go back to the national title before Colt went down against KSU. If we won out, we were in. Period.
That is why I think the conference championship should be the clearest road to getting into the playoff. Every team gears up for their conference and there should be little dispute about the legitimacy of those teams because the rules would be set.
Does this not ignore the things you said I was ignoring, such as strength of schedule? Some conferences are much stronger than others. This much is obvious. To make this idea work similarly to NFL divisions, we’re going to have to blow up the current conferences and start spreading teams around, as well as make everyone operate under the same conference rules (which is not a bad idea).
“Those early season OOC games now have no relevance and in fact are degraded by the current system that only rewards teams who are undefeated or close to it.”
There’s some juice to this, but again this is overstated. Big OOC games are still great for teams to up their resume and are more “forgiveable” if lost. I need only point to 2005 and 2006. In both of those years, Ohio State’s loss and our loss did not knock us out of the national title race at all. Ohio State in ’05 had the misfortune of sharing the season with USC, Texas, and a revitalized Penn State team (whom they lost to), while we got knocked out in 2006 after two straight losses to subpar teams. This argument is more relevant to midmajors, whose only shot at the BCS is to go undefeated.
Furthermore, this argument can backfire; if all that matters is your conference schedule, than laying eggs in these type of games doesn’t mean much. You can go play Florida, USC, Texas, etc., crap the bed, and go back to your bad conference (see Cincy) and still be happy with yourself. How much relevance do big OOC games have now if they have little to no bearing on the season as a whole?
I understand that in some years an unranked team is going to beat a ranked team in a conference championship game and get into the playoffs. To me that is part of the charm of this idea and it continues to drive home the importance of the regular season.
I disagree that his drives home the importance of the regular season at all. It boils down your conference season into ONE game, so if you played like garbage throughout the season but lucked out because you have a bad division/conference, you can still advance. Texas beat both Mizzou and Oklahoma this past season and was clearly one of the top teams in the country. Guess who wasn’t in the Big 12 title game? You really think that drives home the importance of the regular season?
If that team then goes on a run and beats three or four of top 7 (or 11 or 15) teams seeded in front of it, who am I to say they didn’t deserve it. On the flip side I could argue that if a team with an undefeated regular season can’t win three or four more games to win the national championship then the legitimacy of their regular season should be called into question.
This is faulty reasoning. It is of course possible (but highly unlikely, much more so than basketball) that an unranked team could go on such a run, but the question still remains on the idea of exclusion; you don’t make a system with high imaginations on Cinderella stories. You make a system in which you attempt to select the best teams in the final tournament. Furthermore, an undefeated team losing doesn’t mean they weren’t good in the regular season. The Patriots lost the Super Bowl at 18-0. Does that mean they weren’t good all of a sudden? No; they got outplayed in one game. You’re claiming your system makes the regular season more important, but it’s becoming more clear that the opposite is the case.
I don’t think it is possible to have a ranking system that will do what you want it to do. There are too many teams and too much bias. As I said earlier, the best way to ensure you have a credible selection of top teams is to take as many teams as possible.
Define “possible.” In the NFL, it’s over a third of all NFL teams; I’ve yet to hear anyone call for a 40 team tournament. You’re right about one thing; there are a lot of teams. However, that just means we have to do our best when selecting. This even happens in basketball, where an NCAA committee selects the tournaments participants and seeds them. Many people get angry when their team is excluded, but you may notice that there is much less controversy here. Even in your 12 team tournament, I guarantee you in some years there will be one and two loss teams excluded in the tournament. Is that not also a product of so-called bias? The only way your argument will work is if you want to expand to the aforementioned 40 some-odd teams, which I don’t see you going to. You too are arguing for exclusion based on merit, and now we’re back to the ranking system, the strength of different conferences, etc.
Will it always play out that the ‘best’ team going in wins? No. Will it be fun to watch and even more rewarding to win? Damn straight!
I agree it’s not about finding the “best” team; it’s about finding a champion. But even doing so, you have to find a way, with so many teams in such widely different environments, to exclude a great chunk of those teams and try to find who is most deserving. It seems you even agree with that, since you have already discarded the midmajor conferences in your proposed 12 team format.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 26, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should try to agree about what makes the regular season 'important'
I think we are more or less disagreeing about two things; how the teams should be selected and what pragmatically does having a playoff do to college football.
As for selection I don’t think there is enough intersectional play to select teams just based on an overall composite or ranking system. I really thought the Big 12 South was the creme-de-la-creme of divisions but we pretty much shit the bed in the bowls. Now I’ll be the first to admit that bowl games tell us little about teams considering the teams aren’t trying to survive to play another day, but it really made me wonder if the Big 12 South wasn’t a bit of a charade. Would the Big 12 really warrant 3 spots in an 8 team playoff based on last year’s BCS? By your own reckoning, you can’t set an upper limit on teams from a conference because that would limit your chances to select the best teams. The SEC would constantly lobby for having 3 or more teams considering their arrogance. At least if the BCS conference champs are guaranteed spots you have a clearly defined set of spaces that all BCS teams can set as a goal. I like having more than 8 teams because I agree with you that if you just take the 6 BCS champs you are necessarily limiting your chances of getting a decent number of the ‘best’ teams in the field and even having 2 wild cards would potentially leave better teams on the outside. 6 wildcards would capture in most years the other ‘deserving’ contenders that didn’t already get in with the auto-bid, which is why I like 12 teams rather than 8.
Pragmatically I also think taking BCS conference champions would grease the wheels for getting a playoff in the first place while have 6 wild cards might help in getting the other conferences to buy in. I also think giving the conference champ an autobid while at the same time making the wildcard selection based strongly on SOS we would see better OOC matchups. The worst aspect of the current system is the perverse incentives it gives for scheduling weak OOC games. In someways it is better to be undefeated than to have defeated anyone of note (at least if you are in a BCS conference). I think the ‘importance-of-the-regular-season’ crowd are a dying breed, especially when the slate of intriguing September games has gotten so watered down. The fact that Utah (or Boise State) really feels like they deserved a chance at the MNC just because they were undefeated just goes to show how degraded the regular season has already become.
After a lot of off-season pixels being spilled, in the end we are just arguing from fantasy land! As I said in my first post, we will probably start with a Plus 1 and hopefully from there go up in small increments until it probably is too big for either of our tastes. If we really wanted to talk preferred systems I would start from some of the ideas that I think the KSU SBNation blogger laid out by reorganizing all of FBS. I would shrink FBS down to 8 10 team conferences playing full round robin schedules with OOC games coming from mandated pools within the conferences (at the very least no games outside of FBS teams). The top 2 teams in each conference would form the basis of a 16 team playoff. Each group of 8 would be seeded so the #1 ranked conference champ plays the lowest seeded #2 team on their home field, etc.
by Rickyspub on Jun 26, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I won’t say anything more other than this: I wish there was actual discussion like what we’re having among the school presidents and the BCS. But alas, those dollar bills keep rolling in, so why change it?
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 27, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
But what I don’t get is the financial side. It seems to me a playoff would bring in more money that all 30 something crappy bowls combined and even with a playoff you could still have those meaningless bowl games for the other teams that didn’t make it.
It seems the current system only protects the bowls. The conferences (especially the BCS conferences) would make a killing off a playoff. The TV contract would be the largest in the history of sports.
by Rickyspub on Jun 29, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Clemson
We will know if Virginia Tech is a real contender pretty early, they open up against ’Bama.
by Hookem4life84 on Jun 22, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probability: Meh
VT is only 2.5:1 to win their own conference, 16:1 to win the NC game. I wouldn’t rule them out, but it would take some shenanigans to get them into the game.
by Tackchevy on Jun 22, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year the ACC was the highest-rated one in the country in terms of overall strength. That went for most of the rankings, including Sagarin’s. I don’t think it was unimpressive at all, although it was definitely lacking in anything resembling a national contender.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 23, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The consensus opinion of the ACC
Was that it had a bunch of okay to good teams, but no great teams.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am selling.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Jun 22, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they are one of two undefeated teams they are in the MNC...
No matter how undeserving you or I may think they would be, if they are undefeated they will likely be in the title game.
That said, they play Alabama in the opener on a neutral field and have Nebraska at home in their third game. Their other OOC shouldn’t be tough to win (unless Skip Holtz can pull some magic later in the year). Those two wins would likely balance out what could be another weak year in-conference on the credibility front allowing them to later leapfrog higher-ranked one-loss teams as the end of the season approached. Its kind of sad that their credibility rests on the first game of the season and another reason why the whole BCS, undefeated-is-the-only-thing-that-matters, BS system is stupid. In September neither VT nor Alabama will be anything like the team they will be later in the year, but this matchup will make or break the perceptions of both teams in the MNC hunt.
I like the idea of the playoffs being tied to conferences champs. That would open up the schedule to better OOC matchups and would put the emphasis on winning the conference. That would still leave open 2 spots for wildcards in an 8-team playoff.
by Rickyspub on Jun 22, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
off base
There is still baseball to be played, it’s football season for this team though.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a University of Texas website
talking college football is never off base.
Time for a playoff.
by Hook'em13 on Jun 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FTFY
This is a University of Texas website
talkingcollegeUniversity of Texas football is never off base.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 22, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if all you want to do is talk about University of Texas football and no other college football
you probably shouldnt have clicked on the link that said “Does anyone buy into VT: Nat’l Title Contender”.
just a thought.
Time for a playoff.
by Hook'em13 on Jun 22, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A link we both can agree
Is on a University of Texas website.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 23, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
ESPN is the greatest invention since penicillin, but alas, the problem with having a dedicated cable feed is that you have to fill it….hour after hour after hour. Sure, Tennessee, Florida, Iowa, Alabama, and Florida State have given us scandals this summer (shame on you, all of you!) but there just isn’t much going on in the glorious world of college football at the moment on which ESPN can truly report and analyze. (But don’t worry, that will change once practice starts in 6 weeks). Until then, you can look forward to all sorts of pundits saying something, anything, no matter how crazy, to clock their two seconds on COLLEGE FOOTBALL LIVE.
As per Virginia Tech specifically, I respect their accomplishments (hell, at least they have some resume, OREGON!) but they are definitely in the second tier. They’re always in the mix for their conference title and are pretty consistent, which are truly amazing accomplishments for any program, but at the end of the day they don’t have the starting talent, depth, resume, or competition of the programs that can truly think about a National Championship. Those being, in my humble estimation this season Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, USC. (I would put Georgia up there but (believe it or not) Stafford did actually throw the ball a lot for them last year despite Moreno’s 1400 rushing yards, and it’ll be hard to replace him and run it all the time in the SEC. Their non-conference is also a bitch this season starting w/ Oklahoma State and including Arizona State. As per LSU, I just don’t seem them having enough offense to get the job done, and all in all Florida has a cake schedule and should breeze to their title and then the National Championship game. Oklahoma State always scares me, but I just don’t seen enough D or depth. Tech will reload, but I think they lose 2 this year).
by KevinJ on Jun 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPNNews is a godsend
Especially at 3 a.m. on a Sunday morning
by bamfor on Jun 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a dedicated ESPN channel should replay the whole football season
as soon as the season is over, from start to finish. Just games, as many as they can do, nonstop; lease the games they didn’t originally broadcast.
Make the really bad games like Mystery Theater 3000.
Of course, the aggies still won’t know who won, but heh, no system is perfect.
We can have 24-hour football.
by whills on Jun 23, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VT is not a NC team. However, the ACC wasnt too horrible last year, better than the big east. I like GT FSU VT Clemson UNC NC St BC UM all to be bowl eligible this year
by MJY6087 on Jun 22, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
Not quite up their compared to the other major programs.
by KurtF on Jun 22, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They’re probably not a champion contender, however if they do make it to the MNC game you’ll know they earned it w/ the games against Bama, Nebraska and East Carolina isn’t a gimme.
I’d rather have them earn their way in than have a BigTen or Big East back their ways in because they go undefeated.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on Jun 22, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Bama is going to drop off quite a bit this year, so I don’t see it as being much of a measuring stick. I do think Nebraska is going to take a large step forward (I think they only lose to OU and maybe at CU to win the North), and I think they will be a much better test.
by UT_BKC on Jun 22, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big four -
……..Florida, Texas, USC and OU have to be considered the most likely.
VaTech is definitely amongst the next group of favorites. Amongst the BCS schools, VaTech and Notre Dame lead the pack for O-Line starts, with 100 each. It all starts with the trenches and they have good experience.
Bud Foster is one of the country’s top DCs and always keeps them close. Two years ago, they were a rainy game close upset loss to BC away from playing for the Nat’l Championship. Last season, they lost 4 games by a collective 22 points.
Tyrod Taylor is one of the country’s finest dual purpose QBs and is built like a RB. Heck he ran for 5yds/carry as a true sophomore. If he has matured, spent time in the filmroom and picked up the mental aspect of the game, then VaTech will be in the running.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 23, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
b/c it isn't about our team...nt
by vy til i die on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of it......
……probably new news to the uninformed, like yourself.
Word to the unwise……read the 1st line of my post. Duh!
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 24, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor needs to have gone through a lot of improvement for VT to be a contender
He can run all he wants, but he cant have a 0.29 TD:INT ratio and be a contender.
I watched a fair amount of VT last year, they are in some serious shit at QB.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor does need....
….to improve. Especially in the recognition and decision-making areas. A lot of football fans don’t recognize the importance of the cerebral QB. Either he spends the time in the film room or he doesn’t.
VaTech has won 3 ACC Conf.Championships in the past five seasons and have posted a record of 52 – 15 during that time. Frankly I’m not very impressed with the ACC, but if they go undefeated, then they are in the hunt. If they have a close first game loss to a quality Bama team, then run the table, then they have to be in/near the running.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jun 26, 2009 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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