Don't Ride with Sergio Kindle
by greenspointexas on Jun 27, 2009 12:36 AM CDT
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Per Barking Carnival and AAS:
http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/sergio-kindle-drives-his-car-into-an-apartment
Chip Brown from Orangebloods has gotten the scoop from Kindle’s lawyer, Brian Roark. According to Roark, Kindle was texting when he lost control. Brown does not say if Roark used air quotes or not. The car is registered under Kindle’s father’s name, Johnny Walker. I am not making that up. And Kindle was convicted of DWI a couple of years ago.
Just when the summer was going so well.... my guess: 3 game suspension coming. Guess Sergio Kindle thought the building was Todd Reesing....
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Update
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4294788
Not really any new information, but this might be gaining a little traction.
by rchorns on Jun 29, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, for fuck's sake!
not this shit again!
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
by zamm on Jun 27, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i should probably pull over
as this has me pretty distracted.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
by zamm on Jun 27, 2009 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"He knew he was hurt at the time and that he needed to go home and go to bed," Roark said.
haha i can imagine him getting out of the car looking around, and saying out loud, “sergio need sleep” and then driving home
My guess: 0 game suspension, pay fines and damage
He was texting at the well, we are not sure if he was consuming alcohol
by MJY6087 on Jun 27, 2009 1:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought if you went to bed after a concussion you could die?
by Longhorn@Berkeley on Jun 27, 2009 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's recommended you are awake for at least 12 hours post-injury
for observation. the severity of a head injury can be hard to diagnose immediately (unless it’s blatantly obvious) and people who have concussions sometimes just brush them off as a bad headache.
but yes, you can die…
by The Mack Attack on Jun 27, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
at least his teammates didn’t take the opportunity to liberate some of Miss Zapata’s belongings, like some players did a few years back off Riverside. Though they purposefully broke in then.
by divinebovine on Jun 27, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha weird timing,..
I saw him walking into his apartment earlier tonight… like 6ish…
Even stranger, I saw Jamaal Charles and Chykie Brown on 6th street tonight.
Star-studded night
by Prodigious Clout on Jun 27, 2009 4:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BAH
We almost had a great offseason. This could also cost him some money in the draft.
by JohnsonUT on Jun 27, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not good
But the smartest thing he may have ever done was to get the hell out of there. “I was studying late into the night with my study group when we decided to go get some food, i went to check my text, and next thing i know…”. It will sound ridiculous to everyone, but very hard to disprove. Unless, of course, there is a $300 credit card receipt from the Yellow Rose on the dashboard…
by rchorns on Jun 27, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or any other form of contraband.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 27, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rucker continues to disappoint!
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by HornChamps on Jun 27, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think you are supreme douche of this site.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 27, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Have yet to see a Longhorn that HornChamps doesn’t love to hate on.
by ctex80 on Jun 27, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
HC doesn’t say bad things about Longhorn players, only DeLoss and every member of the coaching staff (god in waiting Muschamp excluded). But I can’t say I disagree with rbr’s statement.
by jc25 on Jun 27, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He loves Barnes and the basketball staff
it is just the football coaching staff he hates.
by Wells on Jun 27, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Muschamp we trust.
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by HornChamps on Jun 29, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think you are a vagina of monumental proportions
My observations were that Rucker was a poor RB coach and now he’s coddling these players in this “new role.”
You disagree? Fine by me.
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by HornChamps on Jun 28, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's keep this civil.
No need for personal insults.
by GhostofBigRoy on Jun 28, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really using “vagina” as a pejorative? I have generally found vagina to be a great thing, not something bad.
Ah well; different strokes for different folks.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're coming across as the Skip Bayless of this site.
Wild contrarian accusations/ the sandpaper to reason.
I’m 98.47% sure Rucker’s job description is to coddle the players. I’m 100% sure he’s doing a wonderful job. He cannot be in the hip pocket of these players 24/7. At some point the parents, mentors, teammates, and dare I say the community hav to take responsibility in managing these players.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 28, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the players themselves.
Especially those who would assume a leadership role on this team…
by utexas87 on Jun 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Is there no one these guys can text/call for a ride?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I’m thinking. I know they’re not a fraternity, but in my fraternity we had a house DD every Friday and Saturday night. Dude had to hold onto the DD pager, and people would page with a code for the bar where they were and where they were going, and the DD would pick them up. Worked out well. I don’t see the 80+ guys on the team doing that, but it’s an example of the kind of thing a team could try to do. Hell, in the Army the standing rule is that a soldier is to call me, the platoon sergeant, first sergeant, commander, or anywhere else up or down the chain of command, before getting behind the wheel with alcohol in the system. Sure, we’ll be a little grumpy if it’s 3am and we’re picking someone up from the bar because he didn’t plan well, but it’s a lot better than having to pick him/her up from jail in the morning or, heaven forbid, get a call from the morgue.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are onto something here, dude. This duty should be added to the Texas Angels job description. While backing “cookies” for their guy they should also be on call in case he needs a ride home from the bar.
by TempestHorn on Jun 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Texas Angels should be responsible for finding, vetting, and facilitating “trim” for athletes.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the texas angels
WERE the trim for the athletes?
by Beergut on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially with upper classmen
Who live OFF of campus
by TX HOCKEY! on Jun 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a shame....
….His job should be to council, promote structure, build morals & integrity, make sure teammates can truly trust one another and when necessary get in the player’s face and discipline.
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by HornChamps on Jun 29, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coddle
2 : to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness
I fail to see the difference.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't...
coddle = soft and lacking discipline
As in 1:50 AM “texting” accidents with driver abandoning car to avoid immediate inspection by police. Truly trusting your teammate means you don’t have to be concerned about him missing game(s) due to his activities and/or behavior.
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by HornChamps on Jun 29, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Coddling” doesn’t have anything, positive or negative, to do with discipline.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't keep up with your points of view
Ken Rucker coddleing, does not equal a player getting into an accident, does not equal trusting a teammate.
Help me see the light.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
…you’re just not capable of understanding program discipline.
Glad to know that about you.
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by HornChamps on Jun 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discipline
Are you saying Ken Rucker’s job is to discipline Kindle for a minor traffic accident or are you saying he needs to discipline the team for the accident?
You’re putting more effort into insulting me than making an argument.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saying....
….that if Ken Rucker was being pro-active in his job, we would not have a Sergio Kindle out on the streets at 1:50 AM. These young men clearly believe any punishment is worth the price of staying out too late and being disabled enough to jump a curb cross a 12-foot sidewalk and smack into a building. If they want to thumb their nose at the punishment, then let’s step it up 2 notches.
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by HornChamps on Jul 1, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
If everyone says Kindle did the right thing post accident, then maybe Rucker should be heaped praises for his work. Since the details are cloudy, I don’t think you can throw anyone under the bus for failure to do their job.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jul 1, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sergio was not in school, there is no direct line of authority.
There are limits on what Rucker can do in such situations, particularly when you’re dealing with an adult. This is all Sergio’s responsibility, no one else’s. The rest of the argument concerning Rucker is projection.
by whills on Jul 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
So many recruits, current players and former players have praised Ken Rucker for his contributions to both the program and their personal development as decent human beings. I agree with your point about it “taking a village” so to speak, but I’d also add that there is a thing called personal responsibility that players (like the rest of us) need to embrace.
Thank god no one was seriously hurt in this accident. Hopefully Sergio and the rest of the guys in that car will learn something from this experience and be grateful that it didn’t end up the way that Donte Stallworth’s incident did.
the man, the myth, the legend.
by JYarbs on Jun 29, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's keep this civil.
No need for personal insults.
by GhostofBigRoy on Jun 28, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do from now on.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 28, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Traffic accident
nothing to see here, move along.
by mikey 4 on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jumped on a residential curb two days ago texting
this kind of things happen. Stupid? Yeah, but dont overreact lots of people text and drive.
by owenh on Jun 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
initial reaction...
Running a curb is one thing. You have to be actively trying (or more likely, under the influence of something) to run into a building.
Incidentally, I once lived at 2606 Rio, and I’m trying to picture where he hit, which I believe is one of the new “high-rise” complexes (The Block or Jefferson or something). So there’s the curb and roughly a couple yards of curb before you run full-on into a building. But come on, if one was perfectly sober, the gut reaction to hitting a curb would be to course-correct, something Kindle obviously didn’t do.
From a pure football standpoint, he may have been dumb enough to run into a building, but at least he was smart enough to hightail it outta there before anything with the words “drugs or alcohol” could be proven. So unless this violates any outstanding probation (as discussed below), Kindle will likely get off scott-free. However, from a human being standpoint, you’ve gotta wonder if Kindle doesn’t have his head screwed on straight, and if Mack and co are up to their wits end in trying to deal with him.
by jc25 on Jun 27, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
update
BC has pics. It was indeed the Jefferson complex, and, while bad, isn’t the huge hole I envisioned it to be.
by jc25 on Jun 27, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how it turned into a immigration topic on BC.
October 17th can't come fast enough!
by EYESOFTEJAS on Jun 27, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good move if he was driving under the influence
he saved his draft stock by leaving and not getting caught.
by Longhorns84 on Jun 27, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jc25 is dead on
Rio Grande is a one-way street with 4-way stops virtually on every corner. How in the heck someone could be going so fast as to not be able to react when jumping the curb is beyond me. Yes, alcohol will inhibit your response time, but that curb is of standard height (a big bump to the steering wheel) and a good 12 feet from the apartment’s wall. We all know his normal responses are better than that.
Whoever advised him to get away from that car sure saved him some money next spring.
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by HornChamps on Jun 29, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio - probation violator?
As he can’t be arrested for drunk driving 2 days later, he did leave the scene of an accident. More importantly, does anyone know his 2007 DUI probabtion length? He likely violated any probabtion he had ny leaving the scene of an accident. If so, his fall 2009 Saturdays may not be spent on the football field. Hope the probabtion was less than 23 months.
by Wigman on Jun 27, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
hadn’t even thought about a possible probation revocation. These are all good questions. Seems like a whole lot is now depending on how the APD handles the situation initially. In a situation like this, if he were anyone else, i would guess that it would be very normal to just allow the driver to pay for the damages and that’s it. Simply because they know they don’t have actual evidence of a crime, and the fleeing the scene will even be in dispute with because he was treated for a concussion. Don’t know how they will handle a high profile football player, however.
by rchorns on Jun 27, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per Kindle's Lawyer
You’re allowed to leave the scene of an accident with a stationary object, provided you return in a reasonable amount of time (8 hours). Erin Hogan had an attorney on who corraborated this.
by Eskimohorn on Jun 29, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
You’ve clearly come here to show us how intelligent you are. Maybe you should join a few more blogs just to talk shit, being as you clearly have nothing better to do.
I even named my son Kolt. no kidding
by vivalonghorns05 on Jun 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what?
I replied to the comment by the trojan condoms guy who was on here before slinging racist comments. I’m not trying to piss on anybodys boots just got a little irritated. Now the comment has been deleted I guess so I kinda look like I’m talking to myself.
I even named my son Kolt. no kidding
by vivalonghorns05 on Jun 27, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was supposed to be a reply damnit. nt.
I even named my son Kolt. no kidding
by vivalonghorns05 on Jun 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guys (some of you). Chill
I know it’s hot outside, but cool it.
Guy had a traffic accident. Raise your hand if you haven’t (or had a scary near-miss). Far as we know it’s just a driving mishap. Seems like he handled it right.
Concussion does scare me; those things come back sometimes, and obviously football players are at risk in that area.
by edsp on Jun 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
See: Aikman, Troy
That dude is jacked.
by divinebovine on Jun 27, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt know people had hangovers at 2 in the morning..
then again you Aggies are different.
by j1veturkey on Jun 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the fact
that he was treated for a “concussion” later the next day, after he had gone home, slept it off, and then called his lawyer.
by Beergut on Jun 28, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly would be extremely surprised if alcohol weren’t involved in this incident. To me, this is like a defensive back who elects to interfere or hold when he knows it’s his only chance to save the touchdown. It’ll still cause a big penalty, but it’s less of a harm to the team than letting the receiver streak to a touchdown.
Kindle had almost certainly consumed something (probably alcohol), hopped the curb into the building, and thought it’d probably be better to face the music for leaving the scene of an accident than for a DUI and peripheral punishments thereof. Do I think it’s good that he’s getting away with it? No, not really. I don’t like it when people get away with things. But the fact is that no matter how much Kindle had consumed that night, even if it was just a single beer, he was going to get raked over the coals. I’m conflicted, as should all of us be.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 27, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a crime to leave the scene of an accident
if no other cars are involved. In the event of damaging someone’s property, you just have to notify them within a reasonable amount of time. Kindle notified the apartment complex within 12 hours, which his lawyer considers a reasonable amount of time. So, Kindle probably won’t have any charges related to this incident as it looks right now and believing what his lawyer says about the whole “reasonable amount of time” thing. Link ($).
by GhostofBigRoy on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Witnesses saw several people get out of a car..."
Yet his attorney implies that Kindle was alone and pushed the car out of the building by himself and went home. Which is it?
by utexas87 on Jun 27, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't help but wonder...
…..who he called for the great advice to get the heck away from that car. Had he stayed with the car, things would be much more dicey.
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by HornChamps on Jun 28, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am guessing his Lawyer
who do you think, or are you already trying to get a court order for Mack Brown’s cell phone records?
by Wells on Jun 28, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack Brown is "in the Carolinas on vacation."
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by HornChamps on Jun 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knew it had to be Mack's fault somehow.
by ctex80 on Jun 28, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll bet he’s somehow linked to the Argentinan woman and Mark Sanford.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
okay
I LOLed
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 28, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you too are assuming he was drunk?
When there is absolutely no evidence that he was.
I had someone jump a curb on me when I was running at 7am once, scared the shit out of me. It was a residential road, and as far as I could tell he wasn’t speeding. He hit the curb, which jerked the wheel further off the street. Before dude woke up and realized what was going on he had run me down about 20ft off the road. I ran off the path and was about to try and jump on his hood if he kept coming, but it ended with me with my hands on his bumper.
If there was a wall there as close as the one Sergio hit, he would have hit it too. You don’t have to be drunk to jump a curb.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 29, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah yeah yeah
It’s all believable. I’m just picturing myself driving a vehicle into a building with friends at 2 in the AM. What do I do If I’m perfectly sober? Call the police and get it taken care of! How shady is it to get out with your boys and push your car out of a building and peace out? I don’t know, maybe I’m crazy, but I personally think he had something to hide and that it was worth ditching the scene. Do I care? No. I hope he gets away unscathed and wrecks shop this season…
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 29, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe maybe not
All I’m saying is that, so far, there is zero evidence alcohol was involved.
Its just as likely he was sleepy, texting, sneezing, high, getting some road… ahem. And if he did have a concussion, I don’t know if you have ever talked to someone who was in the midst of one, but they are hardly the most rational thinkers. I had a buddy call me asking if I still lived in Texas after he hit his head playing Ultimate Frisbee. We talked for about 5 minutes and he had no recollection of the conversation the next day. He felt totally in charge of his own thoughts, even if he wasnt thinking rationally at all (Why would I move away from Texas when I had just bought a house?)
Everyone is trying to make it into a conspiracy, and really, there’s no reason for that at all. Instead of assuming there was foul play, go ahead and assume there wasn’t, see if it makes just as much sense.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 29, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it takes a whole lot of common sense to figure out what was happening when a college kid who was out driving with his boys at 1:50am jumps a car and hits a building.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it does take proof
still waiting…
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes proof in the court of law, but I think we all have a pretty good idea of what happened.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We assume we know what happened
Sure, probabiltiy is not in his favor, however, as long as there are no long term effects from his concussion, he made the best decision in a worst case scenario. Hopefully there is a lesson involved, and I would bet that either Colt or Boom will be the one to pound it in.
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 29, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, as long as he learns his lesson.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesnt take common sense to come to your conclusion
It takes assumptions and generalizations.
Until there is any evidence to the contrary.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 29, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
and it sounds like you agree that there is something odd about the whole situation. That is all that I was implying.
And your story about almost being hit sounds strangely familiar, what kinda car was it? haha
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 29, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont remember the car.
It was at the Village apartment complex in Dallas though.
I remember there was an old, small, hunched over Indian woman walking about 50 yards in front of me when it happened, if he jumped the curb while she was there, and not me, I have no doubt she would have been killed. For some reason I was watching him all the way, maybe I noticed he didn’t curve with the road’s gentle lines, but when he didn’t move to make the last turn, I was already watching him fully and planning on what to do if he came after me.
There was another guy out there jogging coming at me who saw the whole thing, the driver drove off by the time he got to me.
“Wow, did he say anything to you?”
“No, he just drove off.”
“Well, you are going to have a good day!”
I also remember the rest of the day being wholly unremarkable, noticeably so after that guys comment.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 29, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got hit by a car that was pulling out of one of those tunnels for a drive-through bank. Granted, it was a tunnel in the middle of a block in one of those old-town shopping districts, but the guy just blindly pulled out without inching forward to see if there was anyone on the sidewalk. He hit me just hard enough that I popped onto his hood, and he looked all pissed and flipped me off, so I cracked his window with my elbow and continued running.
My coach was not amused at my excuse as to why I was off my running pace that day.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they got up early to go fishing?
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Jun 30, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I even named my son Kolt. no kidding
by vivalonghorns05 on Jul 1, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to call the police
if it’s just property damage and no one was injured. All you are required to do is notify the property owner and account for the damage. He did that. Can we stop waxing philosophical about potential involvement of alcohol? No one will ever be able to prove he was drunk when this happened, so speculating does not solve a damned thing.
by bassale47 on Jun 29, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did speculation become a crime on here? I’ve seen endless speculation on numerous topics, and now it’s worthy of scorn?
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's worthy of scorn when people take their opinions and present them as fact
“He was obviously drunk.”
“I think we know what happened.”
etc.
by bassale47 on Jun 30, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where did I say that “He was obviously drunk”?
I think we do all know what happened. Do you doubt for a second that he had consumed alcohol before driving? I sure don’t. I didn’t present it as fact, but rather as what almost certainly happened.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We most certainly do NOT
“all know what happened”. Not only do I doubt for a second that he had consumed alcohol, but I have a reasonable doubt as well. Are you saying that were you on a jury, trying Kindle for drunk driving, that you would convict, because you “know what happened”? Seriously?
I guess, what I need clarification on is this: On a scale of certitude, where do “reasonable doubt” and “doubt for a second” rank for you?
by ctex80 on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think there's a difference...
…between having an idea of what happened, and convicting someone. While I would say there’s not nearly any shred of evidence that he was driving drunk, I’m well within my rights to say that if it quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 30, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you not understand that this is not a legal court? Judas priest, I’m not on a jury, and neither are you. There are standards for convictions and evidence in court, and no, I would not vote to convict based on what has been made public to this point. But a kid who has a DUI already on his record, is driving with some buddies at 1:50am, hops a curb and hits a building, then flees the scene? I’d have to be pretty naive or in extreme denial to think that the kid didn’t consume alcohol.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then your statement that
I think we do all know what happened. Do you doubt for a second that he had consumed alcohol before driving? I sure don’t. I didn’t present it as fact, but rather as what almost certainly happened.
Would seem to be a little overstated, would it not?
PPK, absolutely, you are well within your rights to say that, because the “probably” in your statement qualifies it. I think that Kindle PROBABLY had consumed alcohol at some point in the evening as well. There is a difference between saying “We know what happened” and “this probably happened”, some people just aren’t willing to acknowledge it.
I just get sick of seeing people state things with certainty when they have no more clue than anyone else.
by ctex80 on Jun 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m an analyst. What I do is make key judgments based on the available relevant information, and I issue it down the memory hole to the people who will use it to kill people. I’m not on the job here, but yes, I’m making a key judgment based on the fact that there’s smoke, there’s heat, and George Costanza is running out of the building yelling “fire!” If there’s no fire, that’s great, and it’s not like there’s irrevocable damage, as I haven’t transmitted this key judgment to anyone important.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a key judgement,
it’s an assumption based on circumstance that you’re stating as a certainty. I would think that an analyst would know the difference. I just don’t see what is lost by acknowledging the possibility that Kindle wasn’t drinking. What does that cost you? How does that hurt you?
Whereas if everyone on this blog, and on BC, and ShaggyBevo and Orangebloods were to talk as you do, I think that could be of detriment to a young man, his reputation and his livelihood.
Because the truth is, on the internet, you don’t know who you’ve transmitted this “key judgement” to. But hey, what do I know? You’re the analyst.
by ctex80 on Jun 30, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You injected this into a world-wide information stream.
“…as I haven’t transmitted this key judgment to anyone important.”
You no more know who is or is not important than any of the judgments you render. Once you project into the either, you have no control and don’t know where this may end up.
Speculation on sporting events is one thing. Speculating on someone’s behavior and possible state of intoxication could qualify as libel in print media and is something altogether different. Perhaps your intent is not to defame, but because you a projecting hearsay and not any credible evidence, the line is very thin.
This is not a private conversation; it is a public one. And that is a fact.
by whills on Jul 1, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m not sure you know a whole lot about open media law. What I have said could in no way be construed as libelous speech, even if proof to the contrary were produced.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, just to put an end to this...
On this website, we’re stricter than the law is. Now, there’s nothing wrong with speculation as long as it’s clearly labeled as such. When you start to throw in things like this that pre-suppose something for which there is no factual basis, then we have a problem:
Kindle had almost certainly consumed something (probably alcohol), hopped the curb into the building, and thought it’d probably be better to face the music for leaving the scene of an accident than for a DUI and peripheral punishments thereof. Do I think it’s good that he’s getting away with it? No, not really. I don’t like it when people get away with things. But the fact is that no matter how much Kindle had consumed that night, even if it was just a single beer, he was going to get raked over the coals. I’m conflicted, as should all of us be.
Opinions and responsible speculation are totally fine—that’s why we’re all here; we just don’t want this place to turn into a den of irrational accusations and misinformation. Thanks for keeping this a great place for all longhorn fans.
by billyzane on Jul 1, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ok I admit
I was there, I’m one of Kindles hombres. We were drinking courvoisier and token on some green when all of a sudden we smashed into this wall. We got out and it was hot as shit outside, like 100 degrees at 2 AM, I mean really? So anyway, got out and pushed the damn thing out of the wall and peeled out as we were so emphatically and frantically calling Kindles lawyer for advice. Crazy night, but that smoke was good though!
Now that I’ve settled this whole speculating stating facts court of law BS that only sticklers care about, can we now move on?
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 30, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just mention 40s, watermelon and fried chicken
since you are stereotyping?
by Wells on Jun 30, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stereotyping?
Uhhh so little lost here, where did I stereotype? The courvoisier and marijuana comment? I mean I guess I can see where the choice in wording and language could imply something…
And no, we we’re not drinking 40’s, eating watermelon and fried chicken. Are you stereotyping?
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 30, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I used stereotypical examples
Why would you ask if I am stereotyping? That was the point.
Interesting you change from “token on some green” and “that smoke was good though” to “marijuana”, but you don’t understand how the comment was stereotyping.
by Wells on Jun 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow take it easy
I was actually joking, a thing I like to call sarcasm. I’m really suprised how you missed that, I think I made it pretty obvious. Sounds like someone could use some of that smoke…
If I were to recollect the evening in a less humoristic approach, well then it wouldn’t of have been funny. I’ll make sure to approach every blog on BON from now on with rigid-like rhetoric.
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 30, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chet,
I think you’ll find more than a few sticklers here. As far as the rest of your comment, Wells seems to have summed it up pretty nicely.
by ctex80 on Jun 30, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
the Holy Spirt fell upon me as I grazed over your comments and a deep conviction entered. I humbly repented for my transgressions and by His grace I will use better judgement next time. Will you forgive me?
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 30, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what he said (burntorangehorn)
isn’t this what you do in a blog? I didn’t join BON to kiss ass and agree to agree with everyone. I never said “I know he consumed alcohol”, but I did say “I think he had something to hide”. It’s called an opinion, or “speculating” as you so perfectly put, and I’m ok with that. BTW, I have a deep, almost perverted love for Longhorn athletics and I think it’s ok to be real at the same time.
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 29, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so we're clear...
Everyone is free to disagree with everyone else, obviously. No one’s trying to stifle opinions. And even speculation is fine, if it’s reasonable and not espoused as fact. Your speculation was fine because it was pretty clearly of the “hey, this explanation doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but this other one does” variety. No worries. The type of comments we don’t want are those that dress up pure and utter speculation as fact. You know, something like what Beergut would say. For one, they contribute nothing and serve only to rile people up, and for another, they’re just plain irresponsible.
But again, you were nowhere near that. I just wanted to clarify for everyone.
by billyzane on Jun 29, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This really sucks
Hopefully this all pans out as an innocent accident, but if it doesn’t then he deserves whatever punishment they feel is fitting. Luckily (if you want to call it that) it was a curb then building. Not a curb, lawn, sidewalk, someones backyard, a park, then a building.
by randomguy on Jun 27, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Idk how he could have actually hit the building
That sidewalk is lined with benches, bike racks, and huge planters. Im suprised he made it to the building without hitting anything else. Thank God no one was on the sidewalk at the time.
by shaqui chan on Jun 29, 2009 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
concussion
He left the scene because he had a concussion and wasn’t thinking right (tht’s the story I’d use)!
He won’t get 3 games because he’s legal drinking age, and L. Houston only got a 1 game suspension.
by Longhorns84 on Jun 29, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he should do a public speaking tour
talking about the dangers of texting and driving
by SelimSivad on Jun 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
friends don't let friends text and drive..nt
by vy til i die on Jun 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres a shirt in there somewhere
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next time, I hope he practices safe text.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Look at you two getting along.
A tear rolled down my cheek.
by divinebovine on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all majorvs.simms' fault
I’m sure Sergio was just trying to post a reply with proper grammar and capitalization.
Fortunately, the only person he hurt was himself. He possibly cost himself a serious amount of cash.
If true it is true that he had a concussion it is actually something to worry about in the longrun for a player. NFL scouts and medical will not like that. Also, a one person accident at 2am on a Wed. for someone with a dui in their past—-again, Sergio’s the one who is going to be hurt by this. The “character questions/possible substance abuse issues” will not help him any on NFL draft day. I don’t think anything will come of all this, but it certainly is not what Kindle needs to be doing to move himself into a first round draft pick. As my folks always told me, nothing good ever happens after midnight.
by jkovach on Jun 29, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have you know that I’ve had a lot of great things happen to me after midnight. Yeah, it’s weird that girls are more in the mood around that time than, say, when waking up, or when playing video games, but such is life.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 29, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of something good happening after midnight
It involves Megan Fox in a Pom squad outfit, chocolate pudding, a slip n slide, and the 50 yard line of the natural grass version of DKR. Sadly it ends with my alarm clock going off at 6am.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think his drinking will hurt him on draft day
If you can play, an NFL team will draft you, and pay you a lot of money.
See Jerramy Stephens, TE, Washington Huskies.
Rape and driving drunk into a retirement home in his past, still a first round pick.
by Beergut on Jun 29, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Jared Allen is a heartbeat away from a long-term suspension, so you have to think that teams are going to protect themselves.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Natural grass version
That is downright hilarious. I thought I was a true fan, but apparently dreaming about turf selection at your teams field takes fanhood to a new level I can only dream of. No pun intended…
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 29, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all about Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
Thankfully those arent involved in same dreams
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 29, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for those of you back in Texas:
Is texting while driving not yet illegal there? It’s illegal here, and both MD and VA are working to make talking or texting a primary offense—that is, a police officer could pull a person over for no other reason.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be
The latest I’ve understood is that it’s somewhere in the area of being legally drunk in terms of increasing rates of accidents.
by UTexasCPA on Jun 30, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know due to a recent run in my sister had
That talking on a cell phone in a school zone is illegal (who knew?)
If texting while driving isn’t illegal, I’m sure it will be soon. Not to make light of any DUI’s but I’m pretty sure there are people out there who blow a 0.08 (thats 2 beers in an hour right?) and will drive more attentively than someone who is texting back and forth with someone.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fully agree, although I fully admit that I will talk on the phone a little while driving, especially on the long commute from inside the DC beltway back to the ‘burbs. I mean, NPR is great and all, but sometimes they get stuck on a loop with a subject, so I take care of business. I also admit that I’ll drink a couple of beers and then, after finishing dinner, I will drive, although I’m very cautious about amount, distance, road types, etc.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cops are pulling people over in West University in Houston.
But that’s all that I know about. The rest of the state isn’t jumping on board yet.
by divinebovine on Jun 30, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Made it to the front page on Yahoo
link takes you to a story on rials.com. Nothing new, just more exposure.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
by zamm on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's rivals.com
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
by zamm on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
We need something. Even GreensPoint was able to get a topic going for 100+ comments.
by divinebovine on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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