Let us debate.
Wanted to venture into the fanposts to propose a friendly offseason debate.
Scouts released a round table a few weeks ago "Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, or Colt McCoy. Which one would you take if you take for this year if you were starting a college team."
I thought it would be a fun debate if we could leave our burnt orange at the door and have the same sort of discussion. I also am adding the link to the ESPN Hesiman site for easy access to numbers and bios. Some in the Scout site touched briefly on which quarterback you would take if you were starting a pro team. Feel free to discuss that too if you wish.
Godspeed.
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If I were starting a team
I would take McCoy, Tebow, Bradford, in that order. I think McCoy is the most adaptable to whatever offensive scheme you want to run. If I already had a team, Texas Tech for example, and wanted to plug a QB into a specific scheme, that would change my choice. In the case of Texas Tech I would pick Bradford, McCoy, Tebow. If I was running the Wishbone I might pick Tebow, McCoy, Bradford, although I am not sure McCoy would not be better at running the wishbone than Tebow.
by billb on Jun 30, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like where you're going.
If I’m picking a quarterback for a team that has an elite offensive line, I’m probably taking Bradford. Same goes for the NFL. He just has a game more suited to standing in the pocket and picking secondaries apart, which is what pretty much all NFL teams run to some degree.
Likewise, if I’m picking a QB to run a spread offense, I might take Tebow ahead of Colt. Maybe.
But if I’m creating a team from scratch (say like in a fantasy draft) and I know I want a QB as the first pick but after that, I don’t know how the picks will line up for me, I’m taking Colt because he can do anything. Maybe he’s a half-step below Bradford in pocket passing and arm strength. Maybe he’s a half-step below Tebow in terms of rushing ability (although that’s entirely debatable). But Tebow can’t be a pocket passer and Bradford can’t do much outside the pocket. The fact that Colt can do both is what makes him so good. You can gameplan to neutralize each opposing team’s various strengths and weaknesses, and you can gameplan to minimize your weaknesses.
by billyzane on Jun 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put my vote in this category...
Good analysis billyzane!
by Rickyspub on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow would not have been able to execute the right 53 veer pass
Just sayin
by Tackchevy on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like where this is going...
I’m leaving my passion for Texas football at the door…
I still take McCoy. In studying up on film of Tebow, I didn’t see the same type of heart McCoy possesses. McCoys ability to make plays happen out of nothing astounds me. While Tim Tebow has some of the same ability, McCoy is dead accurate on the run most of the time, grant it a few exceptions.
I think the personnel around these guys would have a lot to do with it as well. Looking at Tebow, he had Percy Harvin, an astounding athlete. Tim Tebow didn’t really use his offense like McCoy did. McCoy worked with some great athletes, but used his whole team in offensive production, and in that, was the most accurate among the 3 quarterbacks.
McCoy is the man…Enough said.
Hook em
by mccoy12 on Jun 30, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
Tim Tebow didn’t really use his offense like McCoy did
Offense efficiency. I’m imagining watching game film and keeping track if you hit the right reads, make the right check downs, hit the dump-off, etc… Do they track this stuff?
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 30, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure somewhere they do
I’m not sure where you would find it, but I imagine you could find it somewhere. I was just watching Tebow highlights Via you tube. Lol, I just made my own observation. Now I could be completely wrong, but I feel as though McCoy did a much better job utilizing his recievers and such.
by mccoy12 on Jun 30, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure that i would agree
With the statement that Tebow doesn’t havet the same type of heart McCoy possesses. I would say Tebow is as passionate about football as any player i’ve ever seen. I agree with the rest of the assessment though. I would take McCoy first in almost every college system.
by shaqui chan on Jun 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Colt first in every system other than Florida’s. Imagine if Colt was plugged into the 2008 Tech offense
by acho81 on Jun 30, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Initial thoughts
If I’m starting a team and need a solid prototypical qb, I’m going Bradford.
If I’m playing school yard touch football or creating a Playstation qb, give me Tebow.
If a group of rogue terrorist has a bomb strapped to my family and someone has to lead my team to victory to save them, I’ll take the Colt.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 30, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For the NFL? Probably McCoy, although I sure wouldn’t spend a first-round pick on any one of them.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
really?
Not one of the 3 is good enough for the first round? Who is?
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess he’s got a case of Dan Lefevour. Nyquil clears that up.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A quarterback with a strong arm, good mobility, good size, good leadership, and good field-reading abilities, who plays in an offense that doesn’t live and die on the spread. None of those guys fits the bill. I love Colt, but I don’t draft a QB in the first round if he takes shotgun snaps out of the spread all the time. That kind of offense is en vogue in CFB, but it’s short on the fundamentals that are so critical to facing professional defenses. Bradford is even more dependent on the offensive scheme, and I think he’s basically another Heupel/White. Colt and Bradford might be day-one picks, but I wouldn’t take them in the first round, and especially not in the top ten. Tebow does not have starting NFL QB talent.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone always says this as fact, but..
What is stopping the NFL from going to a shotgun spread offense?
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The collective talent and speed of NFL linebackers and defensive backs, mostly. It works once in a while as a gimmick, like the wildcat formation, but it’s not going to take root as a base offense anytime soon.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To some degree, nothing
Note the patriots last year, and the offense KC will presumably run this year.
But as far as a ubiquitous system, reliance on the shotgun may be too detrimental to the running game and offenses could become too predictable. One of the oft repeated thoughts on why “the spread won’t work in the NFL” is the level of athleticism of the players, but I think it’s often unmentioned exactly how much more time the players themselves spend studying film and practicing. When you limit your offensive options you make a lot of fast, experienced defensive players lives much easier.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s another good point. The spread thrives on exploiting amateur athletes who do not have football as a full-time job.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WC
Isn’t in some sense the West Coast offense a spread offense applied to the NFL, just run under center and not in the shotgun. the WC offense has been run with varying degrees of success, but it has been shown that it can be done. I would agree that defenses are generally faster in the NFL, but by the same logic the offenses will be faster as well.
One clear argument against the spread I could see is that protecting quarterbacks is much harder when they’re lined up in shotgun (there’s not really a pocket to push rushing ends around), and protecting a quarterback is of prime importance since they are so scare and paid so much. Moreover, being hit by a pro DE is probably a lot different than being hit by a college end, ie: there’s a much greater risk for the QB in the shotgun in the NFL than in college ball.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discussing the West Coast offense vs the Spread
is a surefire way to induce a Beergutting.
by ctex80 on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a better comparison would be the option, which hasn’t worked with any regular degree of success in the NFL in many years.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But, the spread is the way high school football is moving. Same with college. There is utility to not having to re-educate every player that comes in.
Something worth considering is the motivations of the coaches. The NFL is a “what have you done for me lately” league. There are very few places where coaches have real job security. Belichek had the luxury of implementing this offense two years ago with Brady and Co. Conversely, we saw Sporano innovate in Miami with the Wildcat knowing that Parcells wouldn’t fire him after day 1.
Those teams are the exception to the rule, though. Most teams fall somewhere in between those two examples in a place where coaches aren’t willing to roll the dice in fear of losing their job.
by SuperHorn on Jun 30, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note.
The whole “NFL is faster” argument is garbage. If you want proof, take a look at how many USC players went to the NFL. We saw what Vince did to them.
Speed isn’t the issue. It’s better, more seasoned players who take good angles. Even then, though, I’d like to see the zone-read spread run with Vince and Chris Johnson. If it can’t work with those two, it can’t work with anyone.
by SuperHorn on Jun 30, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn ran the zone read in Atlanta pretty effectively.
For what its worth.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 30, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not garbage. USC’s speed was good, but nowhere near the kind of collective speed on an NFL defense. Even the rock-bottom-worst NFL team would absolutely destroy the best college football team in the past two decades by at least five touchdowns, if not more.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
Even the rock-bottom-worst NFL team would absolutely destroy the best college football team in the past two decades by at least five touchdowns, if not more.
That’s a whole different argument altogether, and one that I’m not disputing.
Sure, most NFL teams will have a faster collective speed. But, the majority of that defense graduated to the NFL. Their ‘measurables’ were good enough for the pros, which certainly includes speed. NFL teams might be collectively better, but the difference in speed would be marginal.
Vince put up 467 yards of total offense against a defense talented enough to put 16 defensive players in the NFL. Pro players may be better suited to stop the spread, but it has less to do with speed and more to do with experience.
by SuperHorn on Jun 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There 32 NFL teams and 119 FBS teams...
Now granted, the majority of the talent is clustered in the best of the BCS teams, but even your best college team is going to have like 70 guys out of the 85 that won’t play a down in the NFL in the following year. Even in most BCS bowl games the NFL-quality guys are going have an edge over the best system guys, that just won’t be the case when they get up to the next level where everyone is NFL-quality. Even when Vince gashed USC I don’t think most of the guys graduated directly to the NFL. A lot of them made it in later years but it would be unfair to suggest those players got nothing from the additional seasoning and coaching they got in the year or years before they left for the pros. Even Vince wouldn’t have been a first round draft pick if he had left before 2005 and it is evident he gained a lot of experience in that last year with us.
I think the numbers easily suggest that the 32 pro teams will individually collect more team speed than any college team can muster. That speed will then be augmented by the fact that those guys actually showed more than just speed as college footballers and so have a higher football IQ than your average college speedster. I have no idea if defensive team speed is the reason why the spread hasn’t caught on in the pros, but I think NFL defenses position-by-position have more speed than any college team. Is it a marginal difference? Could be.
by Rickyspub on Jun 30, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always heard
that the bigger detriment to running a spread style offense in the NFL was the punishment that the QB would take. Not many owners want to see their $50M QB investment regularly taking shots from a middle backer. The opportunity for injury just goes way up.
by Brandon 97 on Jun 30, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s either or. Add this reason to the list, and select “all of the above,” in my opinion.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please tell me
what offense did the 2007 New England Patriots run?
The last team to run the spread in the NFL won 18 games in a row.
People who say the spread won’t work in the NFL are either parroting what they’ve read from other sportswriters, or just simply don’t know football.
by Beergut on Jul 1, 2009 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I had to re-read this section of the thread to understand your comment. You called it.
by NeTexHorn on Jul 1, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, glad someone caught that one...
It was like it was happening in slow motion, but I couldn’t stop it.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
by ctex80 on Jul 1, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be damned. So is this a reflexive phenomenon?
by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But does it not seem harder to build a spread team in the NFL? It’s hard to acquire the depth at the offensive skill positions and a great QB to be able to run that against an NFL defense.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots do not, have not, nor will they ever run a spread in the same sense that college teams do.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how the last guy in the link you gave...
… talks about how Tebow makes his team better while McCoy and Bradford just ride along behind their awesome supporting casts. Did he watch any football this year? You could argue that about Bradford but I think it’s clear that McCoy had the worst supporting cast of the three and put up better numbers than Tebow while beating Bradford head-to-head.
by Horn Brain on Jun 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really depends on what type of college team you're starting...
If you can surround the guy with talent, then I’d take Bradford. I know we’re talking college team, but there is a reason QB’s don’t run in the NFL: injuries. A guy like Bradford is more likely to stay healthy than are Tebow or McCoy. If I’m deep at receiver and tailback, have a solid O-line and a decent D, then I don’t need a playmaker, I need a facilitator. Give me Bradford.
If I’ve got talented wide outs, but a suspect O-line/backs, and need to throw to win, then I’ll take Colt. That kind of accuracy, combined with more 4th quarter comebacks than Tebow and Bradford COMBINED = absolutely.
If I’m going to run the damn ball, then I’ll take Tebow. A QB/FB is a hell of a combo in short yardage, and that jump pass, while hideous, is so damn effective.
So that’s my way of coping out, I guess. But I think with 3 guys at the pinnacle of college football, who you surround them with makes all the difference.
by ctex80 on Jun 30, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I think:
Best Athlete: Tim Tebow
Best Tools you look for in a QB: Sam Bradford
Best QB: Colt McCoy
Although how could you really go wrong with any of them?
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to say Colt is the more elusive athlete
I’ve never been impressed with Tebow’s on-field speed or his lateral quickness. He’s a powerful runner, I’ll give him that, but while teams should be afraid that he’ll tuck the ball, plow over their linebacker, and pick up a first down on a 3rd and 7, they won’t be remotely afraid he’ll tuck the ball and take off for a 35 yard touchdown. Colt has had long runs before, and he’s deceptively quick and has made many a defender look silly. He’s not close to VY, but he’s better than Tebow in that department.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Go Colt McCoy Because
1. I am Longhorn fan and extremely biased.
2. I am a Colt McCoy fan and extremely biased.
3. He is a damned good QB and that is objectively stated.
by realmccoy on Jun 30, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My QB Choice
CASE KEENUM – U of H
Mark my words, he will be the next Tom Brady in the NFL
Scattershooting:
But between Bradford, McCoy and Tebow, I’d go Bradford, then McCoy, then Tebow
Tebow is a decent passer, but dude is pretty slow and is wayyyyy overrated. Yes, hes a great QB, but clearly not as good a pocket passer as Bradford or McCoy.
Has anyone noticed how Tebow is almost the exact same player as James Casey?????? Casey could throw as good as Tebow, faster than Tebow, and ran better routes.
McCoy creates plays, yes. He’s also more accurate than anyone else. But Bradford has better arm strength, a quicker released, and can throw a better long ball than McCoy.
by greenspointexas on Jun 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: "Has anyone noticed how Tebow is almost the exact same player as James Casey??????"
No.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 30, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebows 40
The only info I found in the 30 seconds spent looking was this:
Height: 6’ 3"
Weight: 225
40 time: 4.6
I don’t know at what 40 time you become fast, any thoughts?
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 30, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a QB, 4.6 is pretty darn good
Colt has been timed at 4.5 ( http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Colt-McCoy-runs-for-his-and-Texas-life?urn=ncaaf,113603 )
Bradford is around 4.7-4.8 http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/Sam-Bradford.php
by acho81 on Jun 30, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link Failure
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 30, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VY ran a 4.58, so I guess Tebow could become a “fast” quarterback by dropping two hundredths of a second.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 30, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How were those times measured. If one was an NFL combine time and one was something urban meyers measure, this could explain the discrepancy we all know in our hearts.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on Jun 30, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VY's time was taken at UT's pro day on a fast track
Tebow’s appears to have been measured at a high school combine. Both seem about right to me.
The 40 doesn’t fully translate to the football field though, off the top of my head Jerry Rice, Emmit Smith and Nathan Vasher were all 4.6 players and they’re all “fast” enough. What set VY (and those other gents) apart was lateral quickness, acceleration and vision
His change of direction would have been impressive for a man a foot shorter, but at 6-5 it was absolutely unreal.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jun 30, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard
That that time was unusually slow for VY, who could get under 4.5 on a good day. But in any case it matters not; I agree with you that VY was an impressive runner because of his deceptive lateral quickness and vision and not necessarily because of his straight line speed.
However, I will say that Vince Young has never gotten caught from behind on a dead run. I think because of his strength, balance, and long stride, he practically stays his “track” speed when he has pads on, when there’s any fatigue, and when 230 pound linebackers are chasing him and trying to kill him. Other players who run in the 4.3’s in the forty might turn into 4.5-4.6 guys with pads on.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was the Kansas game the year we ended up playing Michigan. We were down. We had just made some rediculous come back against OkState the week before, but Vince hadn’t quite made that leap to the VY we know that would never, ever let us lose. Instead, he was just that freak athelete who unfortunately turned the ball over a lot.
Vince had just taken 3 minutes to march us down the field and put us within a field goal of tieing. We got the ball back, and after a few plays had less than a minute, and it was 4th down with 18 yards to go. I don’t remember exactly how it happened, but Vince was supposed to pass, obviously, and he got flushed out. As he was crossing the line of scrimmage, you saw the defender that was going to stop him for a 7 or 8 yard gain, killing our BCS hopes. Without breaking stride, Vince made some move that, to this day, I can still not comprehend. Neither could the defender. It was like someone pulled his skeleton out of his body. Vince broke his ankles…and knees.. and everything else. He just fell to the ground, and Vince ran by for a 23 yard gain to pick up the 1st down.
Vince went on to throw a touchdown with 11 seconds left, giving us the opportunity to play and beat Michigan in another great, close come from behind won by VY theatrics (FOUR rushing TDs and 1 passing).
Colt is probably my favorite player right now. But the VY Kansas game is when it started to sink in for me. By the end of that season, I knew Vince Young would never let us lose another game while he was playing for us.
That’s why I pick Vince.
by UT_BKC on Jul 1, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Famous play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8f9k8ebErU
The fascinating thing about this, and almost all other famous VY runs, is that it doesn’t look like he DOES anything (of course, tell the numerous defenders he’s embarrassed that, and they’ll tell you you’re crazy). That’s why I normally don’t use the word “electrifying” for Vince Young, as if I was describing Reggie Bush; I prefer the word “mesmerizing,” because even when you watch his runs on replays it’s mystifying how he gets around people so easily. He was so fluid in his running style that his “jukes” sometimes look like he’s just sidestepping a rock while he’s strolling in the park. I’ve never seen a runner like him.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 1, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s an enormous difference between hand-time 40s and electronic 40s. Ever notice how a 4.4 receiver out of high school ends up running 4.45 four years later at the NFL combine?
by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm aware
I’ve run enough races, and more importantly timed countless more, to know how hilariously off hand timing can be. In a short sprint like the 40, errors are just that much more significant.
But, since I can’t get tebow and VY to come to the local track and run an electronically timed raced on the same track on the same day, we’ll have to make do with the numbers we have.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jul 1, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say one could safely assume that the 4.5 listed for Tebow and McCoy are probably very inaccurate.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would anyone here care either way?
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jul 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure.
The only info I found in the 30 seconds spent looking was this:
Height: 6’ 3"
Weight: 225
40 time: 4.6
I don’t know at what 40 time you become fast, any thoughts?
j/k
by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quoting myself
30 seconds spent looking
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jul 2, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call between Tebow and Colt
In college football I want a QB that not only has the physical tools but has the intangibles, the “it” factor. I think the “it” factor includes many things like leadership, passion, intelligence, vision and so forth. Colt and Tebow have these intangibles in rare quantities. Not to say Bradford lacks these things, just not neary as much. If I have to pick one, Colt due to my lineage.
by Make em' eat Chet! on Jun 30, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is for starting a college team, right?
In that case, & as they have all 3 shown, they can all 3 be effective college quarterbacks. 2 of them have even won the Heisman at the position.
I think Tebow would be the #3 choice for me. Sure he’s a great leader & makes good speeches, but who you’re leading can have a great impact on your success as a leader. Tebow just doesn’t scare me as far as his ability to pick apart a secondary, so if he’s not running an offense based on screens, shovel passes, jump passes, & handoffs to guys who run a 3.3 40-yd dash while benefitting from possibly the best defense in college, would he be that effective? He does have the worst season W/L-wise of the 3 w/ a 9-4 season his soph year.
Bradford would be my #2 choice. He may very well be my #1 choice if this were for an NFL team, but we’re talking college. He has a great arm, great pocket pressence, great accuracy, everything you want in a pocket passer. The issues that raise concern are his scrambling ability (worst of the 3), ability to throw on the run or outside the pocket, & a question of his performance when his back is against the wall against top-level competition. For as much as I can tell through a television screen, the sense I got of Bradford & his Sooners at the end of the BCS championship game was very similar to the feeling I had about them at the end of the RRR. They just didn’t seem to have the grit or determination or whatever when put up against it by a talented team determined to beat them. That may be the intangible “leadership” area where perhaps Bradford is lacking, but he still has time to grow. College sports have so much more turnover that Bradford seems to provide hit & miss opportunities. He’ll be great when you can protect him & give him good targets (last year), but when those aren’t there, how will he respond? I think we’ll find out a lot about him this year, as I am of the opinion OU will miss those 4 O-linemen & top 2 receivers more than most think. The biggest question is what is the best win Bradford has led OU to? He’s 1-1 in Dallas, 0-1 in Lubbock, 0-2 in bowls. I think I need to see him lead his team to a couple of good wins outside the state of Oklahoma this year to give any weight to the idea that he’s a top-notch leader & inspires his team.
I think for the college game Colt has to be #1. He’s very accurate, has a strong enough arm, seems to have teammates who are willing to be led by him, steps up in big situations to make big plays, and is mobile enough to both run for yardage and pass on the run if not given enough protection. He has never led a team to as many losses as Tebow has, despite the gloomy forcast & talent evaluation of last year’s team. Both Tebow & Bradford have lost bowl games. If Colt leads Texas to a bowl win this year he will become only the 2nd qb in all of college football history to lead his team to 4 bowl wins (Pat White of WVU was the first last year). He’s accurate, he’s smart, he’s mobile, he’s led his team to 3 bowl wins in 3 seasons. The only knock I’d have on him was being injury prone (missing crucial time in his first 2 years), but he’s significantly bigger than his freshman year & seemed to put that issue behind him last year. I look for Colt to outperform the other 2 by a pretty good margin this year.
by hungry on Jun 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed. Colt is a good Medium
Passing: 1. Bradford, 2. McCoy, 3. Tebow
Running: 1. Tebow, 2. McCoy, 3. Bradford
although it could be argued that Colt is a better runner than Tebow
by acho81 on Jun 30, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leadership
People will say that Tim Tebow’s leadership is better than Colt’s, but I feel that they are equal. Tebow’s style is to be loud and in your face in order to inspire you, which is great, because it works for him. Colt, however, leads just as effectively but doesn’t need cameras on him to do so, such as the time he woke up Brandon Collins at 5 to work out. I say that the two are equal. (Plus, if you want in-your-face, see 3 days before the Mizzou game. Colt took the SI cover with him on it, ripped it in half, and threw it in the trashcan in front of the team).
by acho81 on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I also find it wierd but great that all of the scout.com people are saying that they would take Colt first if starting an NFL team.
by acho81 on Jun 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clutch play
plus, if there is a legitimate chance that we win the game late in the 4th, Colt hasn’t failed us yet (knock on wood), while both Bradford and Tebow have. See: UF vs. Ole Miss, 2008 and Texas vs. Oklahoma, 2008. For further information see: Capital One Bowl, 2007-8. One last drive, Tebow throws 4 straight incompletions to seal a Michigan win. Said Michigan team lost to Appalachian State that year.
by acho81 on Jun 30, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The next epic debate
Which would you let your daughter date?
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jun 30, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sam,
He’ll be loaded from all that NFL money. And if they have kids they’ll be native american and get all sorts of afirmative action benefits!
I keed.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on Jun 30, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, its not.
Its always in poor taste. Even when its directed at Okies.
by ctex80 on Jul 1, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it was a comment on race
But rather on affirmative action, and perhaps the slightly more attention Bradford gets because of his ethnicity.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 2, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong...
We white males have been held back for far too long by affirmative action. If I could trade it all in for ancestors that were slaughtered to near extinction, hell, you bet I would. You know why? Because my daughters could get them some free college!
by BrooklynSooner on Jul 2, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a minority myself
And I find affirmative action problematic on many grounds. Criticizing affirmative action doesn’t mean approving of actions in the past or trying to advantage white males; that’s just building a straw man for people who refuse to argue the issues.
But since PB wishes to leave politics off this site, I will say no more.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 2, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish there was a spinoff site of sorts,
where we could take socio-political arguments when they leave the bounds of BON propriety/desired content. An internet version of “take it outside” if you will.
by ctex80 on Jul 2, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
If God is for you, who can be against you?
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jul 1, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt or Tebow
Frankly…I’d be fine with either of the two.
Bradford can eat a bag of dicks.
Also, in the NFL…I wouldn’t think twice about drafting Tebow as a QB. He’s good at what he does and deserves a shot to play that position.
by Hippie Killer on Jul 1, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also intriguing...
If your starting QB went down with a freak injury, which backup would you take: Landry Jones, Garrett Gilbert, or John Brantley?
by jc25 on Jul 2, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have to say Brantley
GG may not even be the back up and I believe Landry Jones is too busy chasing Tyra Collette and playing in his band to worry about football.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Jul 2, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brantley, with Sherrod Harris in second. I think Harris has had enough experience to know exactly what he’s doing. Put him in a real game, non-mop-up situation, and I think he’ll perform nicely.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 3, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert
I may be wearing the Burnt Orange Glasses on this one…but from everything I’ve heard and the little I’ve seen, I’ll take Gilbert over the other two.
BTW, I’d be chasing Tyra Collette around too.
by Hippie Killer on Jul 2, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McCoy no doubt
They have equal leadership skills but Colt has the arm to equal Bradford and the feet to equal Tebow and he has more Heart than those two combined. I say give him the Heisman now. And give Vince his Heisman also!!! (When are they going to wait until after the final game to give the Heisman????)
by jkovach on Jul 2, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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