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09-10 Basketball schedule released

[grumpy] Mack would never schedule like this [/grump]

Not a big fan of giving our awesome games to Houston or Arlington, but oh well...  I guess that gets them ready to play in Football stadiums a la the Final Four...

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11/15/09 vs. UC Irvine TV Austin, Texas 1:00 pm CT
11/18/09 vs. Western Carolina TV Austin, Texas 8:00 pm CT
CBE Classic (Championship Rounds)
11/23/09 Semifinal round Kansas City, Mo. TBA
11/24/09 Championship Kansas City, Mo. TBA
11/28/09 at Rice Houston TBA
Big 12/Pac-10 Hardwood Series
12/03/09 vs. USC Austin, Texas TBA
12/07/09 vs. Long Beach State Austin, Texas TBA
12/12/09 vs. Texas State Austin, Texas TBA
12/15/09 vs. Texas-Pan American Austin, Texas TBA
12/19/09 vs. North Carolina Arlington, Texas TBA
12/22/09 vs. Michigan State Austin, Texas TBA
12/29/09 vs. Gardner-Webb Austin, Texas TBA
01/02/10 vs. Texas A&M-Corpus Christi Austin, Texas TBA
01/05/10 at Arkansas Fayetteville, Ark. TBA
01/09/10 vs. Colorado TV Austin, Texas 12:45 pm CT
01/13/10 at Iowa State TV Ames, Iowa 7:00 pm CT
01/16/10 vs. Texas A&M TV Austin, Texas 5:00 pm CT
01/18/10 at Kansas State TV Manhattan, Kan. 8:00 pm CT
01/23/10 at Connecticut TBA TBA
01/27/10 vs. Texas Tech TV Austin, Texas 8:00 pm CT
01/30/10 vs. Baylor TV Austin, Texas 3:00 pm CT
02/01/10 at Oklahoma State TV Stillwater, Okla. 8:00 pm CT
02/06/10 at Oklahoma TV Norman, Okla. 3:00 pm CT
02/08/10 vs. Kansas TV Austin, Texas 8:00 pm CT
02/13/10 vs. Nebraska TV Austin, Texas 3:00 pm CT
02/17/10 at Missouri TV Columbia, Mo. 8:00 pm CT
02/20/10 at Texas Tech TV Lubbock, Texas 1:00 pm CT
02/24/10 vs. Oklahoma State TV Austin, Texas 8:00 pm CT
02/27/10 at Texas A&M TV College Station, Texas 1:00 pm CT
03/01/10 vs. Oklahoma TV Austin, Texas 8:00 pm CT
03/06/10 at Baylor TV Waco, Texas 3:00 pm CT

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Does anyone know when we can start purchasing single game tickets?

by Longhorn@Berkeley on Jul 22, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Arkansas Game

Why is it played on their homecourt for the second straight year? Is this Barnes way of preparing the team for conference road games?

by Hookem4life84 on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

@Uconn

Thats awesome!

"I don't ever miss free throws. I'm like 100-percent from the free throw line. I just don't think about missing and if you think about missing you're going to miss. I just take my time and know I'm going to make it and I do," McClellan said.

by blazzinken on Jul 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this is that tough of a schedule compared to football...

Of our 15 OOC games, 3 are with teams that regularly contend for titles (not sure who is in the CBE classic) then you add USC and Arkansas you still only have 1/3 of your OOC games against teams from power conferences. That would be like scheduling one BCS team in the old 11 game schedule. In fact most of our other OOC games are against teams more like Louisiana-Monroe in football than even the football version of Wyoming.

I like this schedule, but I don’t think it makes out to be quite the indictment of Mack’s scheduling (this year aside) as you make it out to be. (Especially when you add in the fact that the Big 12 is much more difficult in football than in basketball.)

by Rickyspub on Jul 22, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oversimplifying

“Neutral” court win with UNC is like adding +3/4 wins to total
Away victory at UCONN is like adding additional +2/3 wins
With regards to Mich St. & USC, yada yada yada, you get the point

Sure, there could have been a couple of other nice games added and usually (hopefully) tourneys take care of that, but this is a real nice schedule when it comes to tourney selection season. Assuming we win.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jul 22, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said I liked this schedule...

I just don’t think it should have made the poster grumpy about our football scheduling overall (this year aside). Comparing football and basketball schedules is an exercise in oversimplification, which was the point of my post.

If I were to tweak the schedule I would probably drop one of MSU, UConn, and UNC along with the games with Irvine, Gardner-Webb and one of A&MCC and UTPanAM and replace them with teams like South Carolina, Northwestern, Saint Mary’s, and Rutgers. These should be more competitive than the three really weak games, but we are more likely to go 4-0 rather than 3-1. While we would lose points for dropping the top-level team, we would gain much more RPI mojo by playing weak sisters from more powerful conferences.

Your points about adding to your ‘win’ total is fine in basketball, but those rules hold no water in football scheduling. Ultimately Barnes could schedule a majority of our OOC games against the top teams in the Big East, the ACC, and the Pac 10 and lose them all and other than seeding (and maybe some team confidence) it doesn’t ultimately affect our ability to compete for the national title should we play strongly the rest of the season (and he might in fact get bonus points from the tournament committee for the effort). You lose one game in football (no matter the circumstances (road game, bad officiating, best player hurt, etc.) and you have ceded control of your own destiny and are now left with the luck of the draw based on the results for other teams.

by Rickyspub on Jul 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are reading into my post and Andrew's post too much

You went off really hard on a tangent about his comment that was most likely meant to generalize he wished Mack scheduled more elite competition. When you say a loss kills in football, you are preaching to the choir. We know, we lived it.
I wasn’t attacking your thoughts or you. I just wanted to point out the bonus in having some of the different wins under our belt that goes into selection Sunday in basketball.
I do disagree that Big XII football is more difficult than basketball. But your overly defensive response scares me and makes me not want to address you anymore.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jul 23, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the fact that the original poster started his comment on basketball with a slam on our football team...

If he had put his snark at the end I might not have looked at our b-ball schedule so closely as to see that, while it has some really great games on it, it also has a lot of dreck. I can’t really blame Brown and DeLoss for this year’s schedule since Arkie dropped us so late. Add to this the fact that there are others here who think our schedule is weak unless we have the equivalent of UNC, UConn, and MSU as three of our four OOC games every year, so perhaps I am just getting a thin skin at all the griping about the football schedule. My take was that this schedule isn’t any harder than our football schedule has been in recent years, but its easy to look at 8 great games out of 31 and think that is more than 4 great games out of 12, when it is actually less.

I would be interested in doing a comparison of the Big 12 as a football and as a basketball conference. I think the football is stronger than the basketball, especially in the elite. That said, the South in basketball has actually been the stronger of the two divisions during the whole of the Big 12 (which has aided Kansas’s dominance), unlike football where the North was more dominant in the early years.

by Rickyspub on Jul 23, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

it was directed at our resident scheduling grumpster. hence the nerdy use of coding open brackets and closed brackets. oh well.

apples and oranges when it comes to scheduling football and basketball.

by the other Andrew on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries...

I was just trying to set the record straight.

by Rickyspub on Jul 24, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you joking?

- .First, Big XII basketball stands up to football, I would guess for pre-season2009-2010, 2 of the top 4 and probably 6-7 of the top 20

- Based on the last2008/2009 ESPN rankings the above schedule includes 8 games against top 10 ranked teams (that includes Pitt who is in the CBE)

NC – 1st
Michigan St -2nd
CT – 3rd
Pitt – 6th
OK – 7th (2 games)
MO – (8th)
KS – (10th)
 

by IUTex on Jul 22, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am talking about this season not last season...

I don’t think OU ends up ranked at the end of the year and they will surely start the season outside the Top 10. I am not sure Missouri wasn’t a fluke last year and I wouldn’t mark them down as automatically ranked by the end of the season. The conference looks very top heavy to me this year (Andy Katz at ESPN had Kansas #1, us #3, and KSU #24; Luke Winn at SI had Kansas #1, us #6, OU #10, A&M at #24, and Missouri at #25). I could be wrong, but I see Texas and Kansas probably not losing more than a handful of conference games between them and one of those loses will be the head-to-head.

Even if we ended up playing 8 games against ranked opponents that would equate to 4 football games against ranked teams, which is just above the 3.5 games against ranked opponents that we have faced in the Mack Brown era.

by Rickyspub on Jul 23, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Year

• Michigan State, North Carolina and Kansas will be in everyone’s top five (3 out of 5 on schedule is not bad)

• Most polls will have Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri and Kansas State in the top 25

• Big XII football is also top heavy with a big drop after Texas and Oklahoma. Missouri, Tech and Kansas are pretenders with great skill position players with minimal depth and size across the roster. If you really look back at Missouri over the last two years they have not beat anyone of prominence, as they were trounced by Texas and Oklahoma. I would say these three schools are at the level of the good ACC schools.

by IUTex on Jul 23, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say Missouri, KSU, and OSU are likely basketball pretenders...

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Big 12 finishes the basketball season with only 3 ranked teams. We should have 2 in the top 10, but after that I don’t think more than one other team will crack the top 20 (likely OU). Ok, we might have one or two teams show up in that 21-25 range, but those teams would likely be just as much pretenders as anyone in football. In football OU and Texas will finish in the top 10, with Nebraska, Kansas, and OSU all looking likely for top 20 finishes (Tech could also be a player if Potts brings it all together within the first 4 or 5 games).

Basketball is just as top heavy as football. Generally it has been Kansas and us as top dogs, but OU snuck in last year and we were down. In reality, Kansas has been completely dominant and except for us in 2003 and OU last year, they are the only team that has had any regular national title aspirations since the conference was created. Missouri was good last year, but has generally been a pretender (to a much greater degree than their football team in recent years). OSU was decent for awhile but has dropped back. Tech had Bobby Knight but wasn’t going to win a conference title. A&M had a few good years under Gillespie, but I don’t think they will ever be a power. KSU had Huggins, but I doubt they will ever recruit another Beasley quality player without him. So where are all the elite programs? Kansas and Texas have been the two most consistent programs (though I would say Kansas is the only ‘elite’ program) and a few others peak their heads above water ever once in awhile.

In football it has become us and OU (and both are truly elite), but unlike basketball three different teams have won national titles since the conference began. The North has become mostly pretenders, but Nebraska has more prestige in football than any basketball program outside of Kansas and if Pelini turns them around they have the history to be a major player. I would say Leach at Tech has created a stronger, more stable program than any of the second tier basketball programs. Even OSU looks to have better long term potential in football than basketball. If Kansas and Missouri remain stable in their coaching they both could be regularly in the top 25 (a rather big if, but they are the only two teams in the North division to look like winners in the Big 8/SWC merger).

Anyway, like I said above 8 games out 31 against ranked teams would be a lower percentage than the 4 ranked teams out of 12 we faced in football last year. Those 4 ranked teams were all in conference, so that would mean that even if OU, OSU, Missouri, KSU, and Kansas were all ranked it would still be a lower percentage of games played against ranked conference foes that our football team faced last year. I don’t give Mack too much grief about our OOC schedule considering the incredibly tough conference we play in. Barnes in most years can and needs to schedule some tough match-ups because the conference isn’t strong enough to get you a good tournament seed unless you win 12 or more conference games.

by Rickyspub on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

• For Both football and Basketball The Big XII is an elite conference probably ranking 2nd or 3rd in Football and Basketball

• Both football and Basketball have two consistent elite teams with another 4+ quality programs

• Both conference schedules are tough, although football sometime allows the skipping of a quality program

• In 2009 the Basketball team is playing NC and Michigan State (top 5 for last year, this year and most years), and playing ranked and powerful teams in Pittsburgh – CBE (2nd in last year’s RPI), Connecticut (top 5 program that was in last year’s Final Four), USC, either Iowa or Wichita State and Arkansas. In all these elite and quality programs represent about 50% of the out of conference schedule

Out of conference schedule for Texas Football includes Wyoming, UTEP, Louisiana-Monroe and the University of Central Florida. Out of the 120 schools in the Division IA RPI rankings, these 4 teams had an average RPI in 2008-2009 of 98. (NUFF SAID)

by IUTex on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apples to Oranges...

As I said above, Barnes gets rewarded come tournament time for scheduling those games win or lose. Brown would get punished if we lose them, but there is no guarantee of reward even if he wins them (e.g. 2005, we still go to the title game if that Ohio State game were replaced by Louisiana-Monroe). Until there is a playoff that rewards OOC schedules I don’t see any reason for us to schedule tough OOC games if winning national titles is our goal.

by Rickyspub on Jul 24, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Original Post: I don't think this is that tough of a schedule compared to football...

At least we have progressed from Football has the tougher schedule to rationalizing the awful out of conference scheduling. I guess you are happy sitting in 100 degree weather to watch Texas beat up on little sisters of the poor, I would just have high aspirations.

Here are some interesting notes on recent national champions:
• 2008-2009, Florida played in the toughest conference, played the RPI 13 (Florida State), RPI 41 (Miami) and RPI 66 (Hawaii) in out of conference games …all who have played in BSC Bowls games before.

• 2007-2008, also playing in the toughest conference, LSU played Virginia Tech (RPI 4) along with a bunch of weak teams

• Of course Texas won when it had a road win at Ohio State

• My guess is that if Texas had played a real out of conference team last year, it would have bumped their BCS points above Oklahoma allowing Texas to advance to the conference title game and eventually the BCS championship game.

by IUTex on Jul 24, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Dallas gets UNC while Houston gets…Rice? Darn you Double J…and your little stadium too.

That pre Christmas Mich. St game looks like a fun little road trip, if only we didn’t constantly lose to Big 10 teams.

by jc25 on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Houston gets Uconn one of these years

pretty sure we’ve got a 4 season deal with them. home and home + two neutral site games close to each other’s home.

by the other Andrew on Jul 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew we would play UNC and UConn

I just didnt think it would be this season, and in the same season. This is great. I will be making it to most games. To be the best you have to play the best. I cannot wait not only for Football but for Basketball as well. Cant wait.

Hook’em

Girls Come And Go, But Texas Football Is Forever...

by Txmade86 on Jul 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

I live 5 minutes from UNC campus and am already trying to figure out which bar will be cleaning my blood from the floor.

by Sleepy on Jul 22, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Hill

Get hammered at Topo and piss all over Franklin St when we whoop up on the TarHeels!

Hook 'em

by TarHorn on Jul 22, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will play...

…Wichita State and Pittsburgh/Iowa in the CBE Classic.

 Kinda tough luck with USC bottoming out and Pittsburgh trying to reload. This schedule would have been absolutely legendary last season, but we still get to look forward to the four marquee OOC games, hope to avoid stumbling in Fayetteville again, then prepare the Erwin Center for a bring-down-the-house showdown against KU.

by txtwstr7 on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome, awesome schedule...

I love that one coach on campus isn’t against scheduling the best teams in the nation in the non-con. UConn, Michigan State, North Carolina all in one year! Not too shabby.

WHo’s in the CBE? What’s the CBE? No trip to Hawaii this year?

Also, while it will be great to beat up on USC in anything, I really miss the UCLA series. We were developing a fun rivalry there and let’s not forget how important those last 2 wins against the Bruins have been come seeding time. I understand that the Big 12/Pac 10 series calls for a rotation of matchups, but playing I will miss that one…

by the1austin on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitt, Iowa, Wichita State and Texas have guarntees to Kansas City.

by IUTex on Jul 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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