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Bevo's Daily Roundup for July 27, 2009

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40 days until the Louisiana-Monroe game.

Horns_bullet_medium Big 12 Media Days are here. The conference web site will have live video each day. Mack Brown, along with Colt McCoy, Jordan Shipley and Roddrick Muckelroy, will be up Wednesday, July 29, starting at 11:15 A.M.

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(Link is not operational right now. A new one will be posted as soon as possible.)

The Big 12 plays the fastest and scores the most. It's got the best quarterbacks, fleetest receivers and maddest geniuses on the sidelines. It has no-huddle, no-fear offenses created by Steven Spielberg.

This week, Big 12 media days will roll out two of the top three teams in the country (Texas and Oklahoma) and a third in the top 10 (Oklahoma State). There will be the reigning Heisman Trophy winner (Sam Bradford of Oklahoma) and the quarterback who finished third (Colt McCoy of Texas). There will be two other quarterbacks (Zac Robinson of Oklahoma State and Todd Reesing of Kansas) who are arguably among the top six in the nation.

The Big 12 is a big-boy league and getting bigger by the year. Last year SEC types referred to the Big 12 as "flag football'' (more SEC marketing). True, Big 12 defenses didn't look good. Maybe the offenses made them look that way.

Whatever. The Big 12 has won national championships. No apologies necessary.

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Mack Brown football philosophy.

A tie is like kissing your sister.- Attributed to Duffy Daughtery.  We're tied with the Sooners in the Big 12 poll. It could be concern over the Sooner's offensive line or a Texas media conspiracy, according to NewsOK.

As for the poll, The Oklahoman tracked down several of the 32 media members who voted. Nearly every media member credentialed for Big 12 Media Days next week in Irving, Texas, was eligible to vote. For that reason, the poll probably had a higher participation rate of Texas media since more Texas media members are being credentialed for the event due to their proximity to the Dallas area.

The consensus explanation among those who picked Texas over OU was concern over the Sooners’ offensive line, which returns only one starter, Trent Williams.

"Basically, both are going to be great. Both have questions. But OU’s offensive line, their question, is going to take longer to answer," said Blair Kerkhoff, who covers Big 12 football for the Kansas City Star and voted Texas ahead of the Sooners. "I remember leaving spring ball thinking, ‘Sam Bradford is going to be great, but he’s not going to have the same numbers.’ That offensive line (last season) was so good, so dominant."

Said Big 12 writer Tim Griffin of ESPN.com, "I voted Texas with trepidation. It’s really a flip of the coin."

Sam Bradford beat out Colt McCoy for the first team All-Big 12 quarterback but there are four Horns on the team.

We still have tight end issues.

Mack Brown told me Monday the staff was counting heavily on D.J. Grant, whose spring was limited because of an ankle injury, but Texas will also look at Josh Marshall and Ian Harris and use Greg Smith and tackle-end Britt Mitchell as blocking tight ends.

It’s a lot to expect, but perhaps one of the two freshmen, Barrett Matthews and Trey Graham, could contribute even though neither enrolled early in January.

Chris Whaley is realistic about his freshman year in the Big 12.

On Tuesday (Texas High School Coaches' Association's all-star game), Whaley tiptoed to the line of scrimmage some, danced at times a la Henry Melton and didn't seem to crumple undersized defenders on a subpar North team that had just two defensive players going to BCS conference teams.

Whaley said afterward that he had "a little hesitation" on some handoffs but was overall "pretty satisfied" with his game. At a luncheon Monday, he admitted he has a tendency to run too upright.

"I'll be in for a rude awakening in college," he conceded. "I ran straight through everyone in high school."

Everyone wants a year like 2005.

Roy Williams on Texas football.

Stupid marketing practices in college football. Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford are hanging out together in Dallas. TexasSports has photos.

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Photo: Austin American-Statesman

Making it special just for the Aggies. We will be getting all dressed up for our game with A&M in November.

The athletic department has announced two open practices and an autograph day.

Colt McCoy takes out an insurance policy. A big one.

Brad McCoy, Colt's father, said Sunday that Colt has a policy that would pay between $3 million and $5 million in the event of a career-ending injury.

"The premium is astronomical," said Brad McCoy. "But the payback in the event of a catastrophe puts the monetary value there. We felt it was the prudent thing to do."

I Am The 12th Man asks what McCoy can do as an encore. It is a pretty simple answer, and something Aggies haven't accomplished since 1939. (Well, according to the Aggies they won a national championship in 1939.)

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The Nonconference Opponents

At least a few people are excited about our nonconference schedule.

Thanks to a home game against Texas this fall, Wyoming has sold a record number of season football tickets.

The Longhorns, led by Heisman Trophy runner-up Colt McCoy, play in Laramie on Sept. 12 in what is being billed by the university as the biggest game in Wyoming football history.

Wyoming will be featured on ESPN's College Football Live "50 States Tour" on Tuesday, July 28.

Dr. Saturday looks at Louisiana-Monroe in his Profiles in Obscurity series.

 

Flashback - Ricky Williams

From Mack Brown Texas Football:

GREAT MOMENT
Ricky Williams wins the Heisman Trophy
Saturday, December 12, 1998
The Heisman Room - Downtown Athletic Club (New York, N.Y.)

Upon his arrival at Texas, Ricky Williams said that Earl Campbell's Heisman Trophy looked lonely in a trophy case and vowed to fill the void. Many thought the opportunity was lost after Williams felt shunned and disappointed in finishing fifth and failing to even earn a trip to New York after leading the nation in rushing and scoring as a junior. Instead a motivated Williams, who was a big fan of the college experience, stunned everyone by passing on NFL millions to return for his senior year. He followed with a dramatic and emotional record-setting season that was rewarded with the 64th Heisman Memorial Trophy. In a storybook season that couldn't have been scripted better in Hollywood, Williams claimed the coveted trophy in a landslide victory. He captivated the country with a dramatic return to college. He honored his fallen friend Doak Walker, who was being recognized for his 50th anniversary of winning the Heisman Trophy in 1998. Williams also broke Tony Dorsett's 22-year old NCAA rushing record en route to eclipsing 21 NCAA marks as well as 46 UT standards while transforming a struggling 4-7 Longhorns team in 1997 to one of the nation's top turnaround seasons in 1998. The first player in UT history to finish among the Heisman Trophy's top five vote getters twice, Williams' route to the trophy featured the greatest percentage of votes cast (43% of 920 voters) in the prestigious award's history. He also secured the third-most points (2,355) and first-place votes (714), as well as the fourth-largest margin of victory (1,563 points) in history. Although the ceremony appeared to be a formality, it didn't put a damper on the enthusiasm. As Williams nervously awaited the announcement in New York, his teammates' reaction was being fed from the Moncrief-Neuhaus Athletic Center team meeting room live via satellite to ESPN. When their teammate's name was called, the room erupted. Williams was quick to thank his teammates, coaches and family in his acceptance speech. "This is a team award," Williams said. "You can't become a finalist without the effort and hard work of the whole team. The best part of this entire season is that I was a part of a Texas team that won eight games." UT later went on to post its ninth victory of the season against No. 25 Mississippi State in the 1999 Cotton Bowl (38-11).

And a little side note to our favorite Aggie blog about that encore... We would also like another fine piece of art for the athletic department.

 

 

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Texas A&M head coach Mike Sherman radio interview.

Texas A&M linebacker Kyle Mangan may have a big impact this season.

The Aggies, once known as Linebacker U of the South, are desperate at the position. The freshman Mangan (6 foot 2, 226 pounds), who red-shirted last year, is in a fight with senior Anthony Lewis for playing time at middle linebacker.

It sounds like Mangan, so far, is winning. His senior year at Brenham, Mangan collected 23 tackles for loss, including nine sacks. For good measure, he intercepted a couple of passes and caused as many fumbles.

Mike Sherman on his locker room.

The Aggies are picked last in the Big 12 South. Maybe that is why Mike Sherman wants players with tears in their eyes?

Robert Cessna laments A&M's pick as the south's cellar dweller.

Here's one team the Aggies can beat.

Now, this would have been fun. Too bad Mike Sherman and Mike Leach won't be in Dallas on the same day. (In case you have forgotten the war of words between Leach and Sherman.)

Big 12 officials have quietly taken steps to defuse one potentially explosive situation.

While they'd probably never admit it, there is a reason why they assigned Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman to be part of Monday's program, while Texas Tech coach Mike Leach won't meet the press until Wednesday.

Just some more of that Texas media conspiracy... A little Aggie humor from Richard Justice.

Sometimes you've got to be slapped up in the head region four or five times before you get the message. Eventually the message gets through, but the process can be painful. I'm writing today in the hope of shortening the process for the good people at Texas A&M.

I'm writing because I care. These are good people. OK, maybe they're not the sharpest tools in the shed, but being a little slow doesn't mean they're not still very nice people. They are.

I'm again hoping for the best but expecting the worst. I have a dream. That dream is that Texas A&M will someday be a contender in football, maybe even a conference champion...

What the Aggies need is a chance to get their self esteem back. That's why now is the time to consider a move to Conference USA. The Aggies would be the gold standard for facilities and fan support on their first day in C-USA.

 

 

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Oklahoma

Sooner mixed with a little culture.

Sam Bradford may be even better this season.

He also said he expects Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford to be even better this season. Expectations as the reigning Heisman winner won't affect his demeanor, Stoops said.

"He's more used to it, he knows what he wants to do. He's just taken more control of it," Stoops said. "So naturally, it'll be the same of his huddle, his demeanor with the team. As the guy matures and grows older and has the experiences he's had, he's going to grow from it. And you put on top of it what a bright and mature and sharp guy he is, he's just only going to get better."

Did he say huddle? Does that mean the Sooners are junking the no-huddle offense in 2009?

"Well, I meant as he's walking to the line of scrimmage," Stoops began. Then, the coach saw an opportunity. "No, yeah, I meant, we're huddling this year. We're out of all that other stuff. We're worried about our defensive statistics, so we'll go back to wasting time."

Tulsa World has a Q&A with Bob Stoops. Sports editor Mike Strain thinks Bob Stoops is a better coach than Mack Brown. Of course someone in Oklahoma would say this.

A former OU coach believes that Sooner fans are unrealistic.

Seated in the midst of thousands of OU fans, Jim Donnan joined in the cheering when the Sooners roared to a 35-0 first-quarter lead. Yes, first quarter.

"This guy sitting behind me was just wearing out (criticizing) OU's pass rush," Donnan said.

"I mean, he was just wearing them out."

Anyone who knows the feisty Donnan won't be surprised to learn that he couldn't let the critical comments go unnoticed. He inquired if the gentleman, who was decked out in red, was actually a Sooner supporter.

They are the only school with a plaza dedicated to all their Heisman winners.

And last fall, before the Ohio State game, Texas unveiled a bronze of Earl Campbell at Memorial Stadium's southwest corner. But Texas has indicated no plans for honoring its other Heisman winner, Ricky Williams, leaving OU with the only multiple-statue plaza of Heisman life-size bronzes in the country.

"OU was the first to think of this Heisman Plaza," said Edmond artist Shan Gray, who sculpted the Vessels and Miller statues. "It's a tremendous honor to be a part of, and I don't say that lightly."

It is a very sad life for a former, very talented OU player.

 

Oklahoma State

Mike Gundy on discipline.

Gundy says he wants not only a successful program, but a clean one.

"When you're dealing with 125 guys between the ages of 18 and 23, you want everybody to do the right thing," Gundy said. "But sometimes, guys make mistakes."

This year, the Cowboy program has had problems.

The Cowboys have made an impression on Georgia coach Mark Richt.

"Probably preseason Top 10 by most people," Richt said of the Cowboys. "Loaded offense coming back. A team that you hear the (Cowboy) coaches say, 'We've been kind of pointing to this season for the last couple years, opening a brand-new stadium.' I think they're charging $100 a ticket."

 

 

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Kansas running back Jake Sharp has something to prove.

But David says there’s something else you need to know about Jake: He was always trying to show that he was tops in everything he did. That could be backyards hoops, sprints, go-karts or paintball.

Running back Jocques Crawford has left the Kansas Jayhawks.

The New York Times' blog, The Quad, ranks Missouri at No. 53.

Missouri has two new coordinators this season: offensive coordinator David Yost and defensive coordinator Dave Steckel.

Bill Snyder is getting used to this email stuff while he embarks on his second career at Kansas State.

Snyder embarks on his 18th season at Kansas State — and first since 2005 — with the start of practice Aug. 5. Next week, he'll address his return and his team's prospects at the Big 12 Conference's annual season preview in Dallas.

Coming off a 5-7 season and next-to-last-place finish in the Big 12's North Division, still searching for a quarterback and answers for one of the nation's worst defenses, immediate expectations are modest. Snyder was away while spread offenses proliferated and the Big 12 evolved, growing deeper and far stronger than it was when he and the Wildcats were mounting an ascent that included four weeks at No. 1 in the USA TODAY Coaches' Poll in 1998. Can he steer them back? If so, how quickly?

Nebraska football tradition.

Omaha World knows why Nebraska was picked to win the Big 12 North. Kansas has other ideas about that title.

Two promising Colorado recruits eligibility is up in the air, so to speak.

The Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe would like five years of eligibility.

For the last couple of years, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has been trying to marshall support for a proposal that would give college football players a fifth year of eligibility.

Beebe is always optimistic -- but nothing ever happens. A handful of college presidents and administrators who don't like the proposal have lobbied successfully against such an idea, and have managed to shout it down every time it has a chance of even being strongly considered.

Maxim Magazine has the 10 worst teams. Baylor, Iowa State and A&M make the list. (And I know all of you are just going to this site to read the article...)

ESPN's Tim Griffin has the players that teams cannot afford to lose this season and some nonconference games that will be a cakewalk.

The Big 12 media voted on the best games of 2008 and the conference web site has video of the television broadcast of each complete game. (The video is free, you just have to register on the site.) Happy viewing.

ESPN has interviews with two of our best and brightest: MIke Leach and Mike Gundy.

The Ft. Worth Star Telegram has the five really big questions this season.

 

 

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Jerry Jones wants to move the College Football Hall of Fame to Dallas.

Dennis Dodd mourns the death of the coaches poll.

The coaches poll just died here Friday morning.

There was no news release. You won't read about it anywhere but here. But it's done, kaput, over with, after more than 50 years.

You know why? It has as much credibility left as Dick Cheney and his stance on those weapons of mass destruction.

Information we could definitely use in Austin. Smart Football evaluates running backs and the running game.

 

And finally...

It is almost here...

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Let us stay realistic...

Whatever. The Big 12 has won national championships. No apologies necessary.
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BCS Bowl Games: SEC – ( 12-5 )
                                   Big-12 – ( 7-9 )

BCS NC Game: SEC – ( 5-0 )
                             Big-12 ( 2-4 )

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jul 26, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, but most of those losses

were Oklahoma’s. So I am ok with that. And I am still not apologizing.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on Jul 26, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oklahoma may be the luckiest school in the BCS's short history

In 2000, in Stoops’ lone national title, they played Florida State instead of Miami, and that was one of the ugliest championship games I’ve ever seen. In 2003, they flopped in the Big 12 title game and still retained the #1 ranking and played LSU, leaving USC out. In 2004, while they deserve the utmost credit for being undefeated, an undefeated Auburn was left out. And I don’t even have to mention last year.

Their luck will run out someday. As screwed up as the BCS is, it will surely screw over OU at some point in the future.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 27, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish it were so, but there's luck and there's 'luck'...

OU has definitely had their share of luck in the sense of having things like Blake Gideon drop a sure interception or Colt getting injured against KSU and us handing them the division. We certainly haven’t benefited from that sort of luck in recent years. Even that call against Oregon, while bad luck for OU, certainly didn’t benefit us in any major way.

They also have the ‘luck’ of getting our top players to cross the border. If you really think Bomar was an isolated incident and that AD wasn’t also given good ‘reasons’ to go to OU also, I have some oceanfront property in Utah you might be interested in. How many of their championships came with teams that had ineligible or illegally recruited players? I still think they are the only team to win a MNC without playing a bowl game because they were on probation. The fact that media goes along for the ride and continues to treat them as legitimate power rather than one that cheats as often as not could be considered a form of ‘luck’, but the karma police never seem to balance it out like they often do with the kind of luck in the instances in the first paragraph.

by Rickyspub on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

There will be the reigning Heisman Trophy winner (Sam Bradford of Oklahoma) and the quarterback who finished third (Colt McCoy of Texas).

When did Colt McCoy finish third?

by burntorangehorn on Jul 26, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Err…I’m aware of this.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 26, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course Tebow got 2nd

I was almost convinced that ESPN wrote this article. I think they added what they call Tebow points, that vaulted Tebow above Colt.

by future_longhorn_dad on Jul 27, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly is "Err"

Does that stand for something? Or are you literally saying Err…. cause that would just be weird.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on Jul 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s onomatopoeia. Seriously, you’ve never seen it in a book or anything?

by burntorangehorn on Jul 27, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Austin = Live Music Capital of the World....

That is one of the worst songs ever. Austin has the most creative and progressive music scene in the country, yet I am constantly subjected to this country music bullsh. You can love The University of Texas while having good taste in music as well.

by 2Bearnest on Jul 26, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I did not pick the video for the country music. The words and imagery sum up most of our feelings for UT. My taste in music is mostly classical and the so-called LIve Music scene doesn’t necessarily appeal to me personally. I have learned to appreciate and accept music in all forms.

by dimecoverage on Jul 26, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I was almost embarrassed, wait, I’m definitely embarrassed after watching that piece of shit tribute song. In no way did that song pump me up for the upcoming season. It’s not even the fact that it’s country music, his voice was unbearable.

by Make em' eat Chet! on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Voice

Horrible imitation of John Denver.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jul 27, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then don’t play the video. Problem solved for you.

by dimecoverage on Jul 26, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on

Not a big fan of the music either, thought it was pretty cheesy in parts, although I don’t know that I could do better myself. But come on, enough about the music. DC is right, if Austin is anything it is ecclectic. If you like that country style music, then this was probably really good. My sister loved it. But the sentiment was awesome. Thanks as always DC.

One thing though, the song said “…when Williams picked off Simms.” Wasn’t it actually Lehman (sp) who intercepted the pass? Williams just knocked the ball loose right? I was sitting 7 rows deep in the endzone right behind that play. And I almost cried too.

Also, that crazy guy from Oklahoma with the video was creepy. And don’t we also have statues of Ricky and Earl? Doesn’t everybody have statues of their Heisman winners?

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do we have a statue of Ricky Williams? I’ve drawn a blank…

by dimecoverage on Jul 27, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m picturing a giant bong with smoke hoses for dreadlocks.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 27, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe so..

But Texas has indicated no plans for honoring its other Heisman winner, Ricky Williams, leaving OU with the only multiple-statue plaza of Heisman life-size bronzes in the country.

by NeTexHorn on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the answer

I would not have believed that.

Personally I think we should build a Mount Rushmore style Statue. We could have DKR (and probably some others from before my time), Mack, Earl, Ricky, and Vince. Under their names could read “The Texas Mount Rushmore… everything is bigger here”

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

P.S. 45-35

by SwimTexas on Jul 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’d be quite the recruiting tool.

Thanks for visiting the Forty Acres, Johnny Fivestar. If you come here, we’re going to give you every opportunity to get your face added to Mount Bevo.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 27, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No!!

Please don’t ever put the words “mount” and “Bevo” next to each other again.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Jul 29, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not even if it’s Bevo mounting the stupid pony wagon?

by burntorangehorn on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder how many Ags took Richard Justice’s bait?

by miketag on Jul 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

the link to the Omaha Herald article is broken

getting an error message

If the Big 12 is “flag football”, then the SEC is an 8 yr old Pop Warner league.

Idiots think running a simple offense means you have a good defense.

by Beergut on Jul 27, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks. That is the third time they have moved that article. I’m beginning to dislike that Omaha paper.

I’ll see if I can find the article again. Right now they are posting numerous stories on Nebraska’s media day in Dallas and I can’t find the link.

by dimecoverage on Jul 27, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do Big 12 fans

have such a hard time admitting that from top to bottom the SEC is better. The Western Conference is so much deeper than the Eastern Conference, but that didn’t prevent the Celtics from winning the championship last year or the Heat, two years prior to that.

My point being: just because you admit to the SEC being deeper and tougher week in and week out, doesn’t take away from Texas and OU being two top teams that can compete with anyone in the nation. Unless, in OU’s case it’s January.

by 2Cor12:9 on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a very difficult time admitting things that simply aren't true

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that you don’t watch a lot of SEC football? If you watched Tennessee, Auburn, Kentucky, Arkansas or Mississippi State play much last year, you wouldn’t say the bottom of the SEC was tougher the bottom of the Big 12. Because they weren’t. The bottom of both conferences has unsightly vortex of suck potential on given Saturday. Particularly if Robert Griffin isn’t playing.

The top of the SEC may be a notch better in the 3rd and 4th slot. Most years Georgia, Alabama, Florida, LSU will produce a better four than UT, OU, Tech, OSU/Nebraska/Mizzou. But the “week in and week out” argument is simply a non-starter.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jul 28, 2009 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'r talking about

an Auburn team that went undefeated 5 years ago and is generally a lot better than the team they were last year. See Florida’s lone loss in 2006. Tennessee is a school with a proud tradition and I think it’s safe to assume they won’t be down for long, especially when you’ve got the staff that they’ve put together and the recruits their bringing in. See Monte Kiffin and Bryce Brown.

Ole Miss is also a school on the rise, but they might end up being the Missouri of the Big 12, meaning that once they lose their qb they’ll take a step back (but we’ll see how Mizzou comes out this year with a new qb).

But come on man. just because we have differing view points, somehow that means that you watch more football?

by 2Cor12:9 on Jul 28, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not more football, just more SEC football.

That would be because I’ve spent the last three years in the South, primarily in Lousiana, watching games with Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Arkansas and Ole Miss Alums. I’ve had these arguments – with lawyers, a stubborn lot, – every week during football season for years. I don’t find any of it very compelling, but if you do, that’s your right. I didn’t mean to offend, but I do find the SEC superiority meme quite annoying.

The time Auburn was good coincided with a time when Alabama was down. Actually, much like Texas and A&M, it’s difficult for both teams in Alabama to be top echelon at the same time. Gene Chizik should not inspire confidence in anyone, and after Jetgate I honestly have serious doubts that he’s doing the primary recruiting on Seatrunk and Dixon.

Tennessee is a completely unknown quantity, and if you want to harken to former glories and the possibility of a new coach and a great defensive scheme bringing new life you’ve also made a great argument for Nebraska. Personally, I’ll take Bo Pelini and co. over probably the most expensive coaching staff in the nation, at least in the long term. While Pelini has a fairly long leash, Lane Kiffin has a hangman’s noose.

I’ll agree that Ole Miss is a team on the rise. I’ll also say that Houston Nutt is living off of Ed Orgeron’s recruiting, and the whole house of cards will crumble if there’s a hiccup in the Mississippi community college partial qualifier system. It’s like watching a Bizzarro version of Bill Snyder crossed with Mike Leach, and while fun, it may prove to be a dangerous game even in Mississippi. Nutt can be a fantastic game coach, and Ole Miss has a few advantages over Arkansas, but they’re hardly a lock for continuous improvement.

The issue the SEC has, just like every other conference, is one of scarcity. There are only so many quality recruits to go around and so many good coaches. The Big 10, the Big 12 and the PAC 10 will all take their fair share of the building blocks, making it simply impossible to build a “super conference” six or eight upper echelon teams deep. Actually, they wind up looking much like everyone else. A few contenders, a wild card spoiler, and teams capable of losing to Middle Tennessee State and Duke making up the middle and bottom.

As to depth, the ACC is the conference I marvel find most impressive. The depth is probably better than anyone else, but no team has risen to the top.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jul 28, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one in the Big 12 would say that the SEC is inferior in any way. What we are very tired of hearing is that we are inferior. This is just simply not true. A case can be made that SEC defenses may be better, but not to the extent that the media reported last season. SEC defenses did not have to deal with outstanding QBs, receivers, etc. every Saturday. Yes, Florida’s offense laid quite a few points on OU’s defensive unit, but even the Aggies scored 28 on OU.

When it comes to offense, there is no comparison. Other than Tebow, there isn’t another QB in the SEC that comes close to Robinson at OSU, Griffin at Baylor, let alone the outstanding two- McCoy and Bradford. There’s hype about Jevan Snead this year. He left our program because he saw the handwriting on the wall.

by dimecoverage on Jul 28, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forgot about Reesing.

Tebow’s the only one who would be top-six in the Big 12. Snead might have an outside shot, but again, he transferred out because he wasn’t good enough to start for Texas.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very unfair to Snead...

He lost the job as a true freshman fighting a redshirt freshman who already had a year in the system. By the end of the that season where he was basically ignored by the coaching staff and rarely took a snap until he was forced to by Colt’s injury (and then was put back on the bench for the next game never to see the field, even though Colt wasn’t very effective), made it clear just how the next four years would play out. He also probably saw how Mack favors experience over raw talent and knew that there were hurdles he would never overcome, so there was no point in staying.

by Rickyspub on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s somewhat unfair, perhaps, but the fact is that he wasn’t good enough to start, wouldn’t you say? Not over Colt, anyway. And is it your contention that, ceteris paribus, Snead’s ability to run UT’s offense would be greater than Colt’s?

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who's to say?

Who knows how good Snead would have been in our offense…we never really got to see it. Obviously I am sticking with Colt, but it wasn’t that Snead wasn’t good enough in the sense that he didn’t have the talent. He wasn’t good enough in that he didn’t have the experience in the offense to go along with his talent. Hell, by your reasoning Colt wasn’t good enough to start for Texas either…he had to sit behind Vince Young in 2005. The difference for Snead was that he was going to have to sit behind Colt for 4 years without even the benefit of a redshirt to at least allow him the chance to start one year with out Colt on the roster. His only hope was for a QB controversy, which would have likely happened considering Colt’s rough 2007 season. I am glad Snead left, because I don’t look back on the Applewhite-Simms era with a lot of fondness.

by Rickyspub on Jul 29, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Colt obviously wasn’t good enough to start over a guy who was already established as a top quarterback. Snead wasn’t good enough to start over an unheralded QB from the middle of nowhere who had never taken a collegiate snap. That’s a big difference, and therefore I don’t think my reasoning indicates what you said it did.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was John Parker Wilson to Julius Jones, not Reggie Ball to Calvin Johnson, keep in mind.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh…this was meant to go elsewhere. Not sure what happened.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had to make a ranking

I’d give the SEC a slight edge over the Big 12, due to the fact that their “middle” teams are normally better than ours, as learned hand stated. However, it’s not by nearly as much as the media or SEC fans want to believe, and I saw plenty of SEC football that had more awful offense than great defense last season.

People make a big deal that OU scored only 14 on Florida. They fail to mention OU’s stupid mistakes and also fail to mention that Florida only scored 24, well below their average as well. Tebow stated before the game he wanted a shot at “those Big 12 defenses.” When not even facing the best defense in the Big 12 (that was without question ours), he threw two picks for the first time in his career and genuinely struggled. The media wants to overlook this, but it was Percy Harvin that saved the Florida offense, not Tebow. Tebow deserves credit for his admirable 4th quarter play, but Harvin was the one who got the Gators out of trouble.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

two reasons

1) If you go by last season, it simply isn’t true.

The best QB in the SEC was Tebow. The best QB in the Big 12 was Bradford. If you look at passing efficiency, the Big 12 had 7 QBs in the top 20; the SEC had 3. People who say the Big 12 had poor defenses last season ignore the fact that we had a plethora of upperclassmen QBs, which means you are going against an experienced signal caller every weekend. Also, there is the fact the SEC doesn’t have anyone in their conference who compared to Michael Crabtree or Dez Bryant; their defenses didn’t have to step up and play the best in the nation every week.

This “tougher week in and week out” hyperbole is just that, hyperbole. A&M would have gone to a bowl last season if we could have played Mississippi State, Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky last season.

2) SEC offenses, with the exception of Florida, by and large are very simple to defend. There is an addiction to 21 personnel in the SEC, which is a hell of a lot easier to defend than the spread offenses you see every weekend in the Big 12. Having to defend three athletes (TB, 2 WRs) on every play is a helluva lot easier than having to defend five (TB, 4 WRs), especially when one group is bunched up, and the other is spread out all over the field.

by Beergut on Jul 28, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if A&M had been in the Mountain West

they could have finished behind, Utah, TCU, and BYU. But hey that’s a better finish than 6th in the Big 12 South.

Don’t you realize, A&M is the Miss. St. of the Big 12? But that might not last long considering MSU’s new ball coach.

by 2Cor12:9 on Jul 28, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite

Iowa State is the Mississippi State of the Big 12, A&M is more like Arkansas or Bizzaro Alabama. Link.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jul 28, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm.....
Also, there is the fact the SEC doesn’t have anyone in their conference who compared to Michael Crabtree or Dez Bryant


he’d like a word with you, Mr. Gut.

by ctex80 on Jul 28, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine the impact Jones would have with a McCoy or Bradford at QB?

by dimecoverage on Jul 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Glad he didnt commit to OU, I remember it was one of his top few schools when he pulled out his hats.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that this was John Parker Wilson to Julius Jones, not Reggie Ball to Calvin Johnson.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously? Julius Jones? I’d rather have AJ. Green, that is.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or the impact Green would have… either way, they are both very talented.

by dimecoverage on Jul 28, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, although I’m still doubtful that either would have broken Crabtree’s record if playing at TT as redshirt freshmen.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 28, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

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