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Stony Point linebacker PL Lindley raised his stock considerably with an excellent summer and looks to ride that momentum to a break-out junior season.

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Nice work and congrats on the gig

Keep linkin’ so we can keep readin’.

by jc25 on Aug 28, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

his ifrst name is “PL”? or are those just his first/middle initials?

by Displaced Longhorn on Aug 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't want to seem as though I'm being overly critical

especially since I’m not just representing myself, but I’m wondering how it’s okay for you to write stuff like this when all of your information is second hand knowledge? Don’t get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy reading your recruiting info, but most of it’s coming from these pay sites. Yes, I know that you always post a link, but it doesn’t seem right. Perhaps I just need to learn the rules of how blogs work, and maybe this type of stuff is generally accepted, but I know if I was one of the owners of one of those sites and I’m trying to sell memberships, this would infuriate me.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 28, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

He's actually linking his own work

he’s covering Stony Point this year for “The Examiner”. He cant plagiarize himself haha.

by owenh on Aug 28, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh....

don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Go ahead and pay for those sites if you want “breaking news”. Is he taking money from your site or what? He’s not giving access to the entire articles. I think it is comparable to your friend telling you something he heard that was a secret.

by vy til i die on Aug 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do realize

that when you click on a link for sites that have insider information, you get a preview of what the article is about, and then an opportunity to purchase “insider” information.

How different is GoBr’s article? He gave a preview of what was in the article, then he gave a link if you want to purchase. Like Vy stated…don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Nice avatar VY by the way. :)

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Confused

So your problem is GoBR didn’t go out and time his 40’s and weigh Lindley himself? Or you don’t like GoBR having an opinion confirmed by an insider article?

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 29, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a problem with him making money

off his writing when all his knowledge is coming from him reading it from another site. If you are making money for a profession you should be the one doing the work.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity

Of the news you see reported on television, in the newspaper, and on the internet, how much do you believe is the result of original research by the reporting entity?

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Aug 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

No clue

It speaks volumes that you guys are sticking up for his work and he has nothing to say on the matter.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

It speaks volumes that you don’t know the difference between covering news and “breaking news.”

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 29, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So if you were charging a fee for your information on YOUR site

you wouldn’t be upset that one of your paying members is giving all of your news to non paying members, all the while you are trying to build your business? Please…

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

he doesnt give all of the news!

He gives HIS take on the subject. Its not like he’s giving us his username and password to Orangebloods.com. Yes, that would be wrong.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get real

He cited a quote from a published news story on the web. If IT has a problem with it, they’re free to revoke his account. Beyond that, there’s no issue. Except with your own conception of how news reporting actually works.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You act like this is the only article that he has ever written

where he has used inside information. His Morning Coffee or Afternoon Brewsky column always come after he read from one of the 3 pay sites, and I never had a problem with it when he’s doing it for free. But now he wants to work for the Examiner and wants to get paid for it?

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've undermined your own argument

So the problem is that he’s ‘robbing’ IT or that he’s earning five bucks an article for his work? Make a choice. You can’t have a problem with it one way, but not the other. Either he’s screwing IT or he’s not. It’s irrelevant whether he’s making any money from the gig (and he’s not).

You might consider the possibility that what he does is good for the subscription services. We drive a ton of traffic their way, and yes, some of those readers wind up purchasing subscriptions. Why? Because there’s plenty of good info there, much of which we do not report here — such as information posted in their subscribers only messageboards (e.g. The War Room).

There’s a reason we have a good relationship with all the subscription services.

3QED12:9

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 29, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's right is right.

Of course you have an agenda since he writes on your blog.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just know

That when someone posts something from subscriber-only sections of the website, as opposed to stuff published out as a news story, we delete it. And for good reason.

We’ll take criticism when it’s warranted, but you’re off base here. Big Roy’s well within the bounds of fair practice & use here. So I’ll stick up for him.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 29, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said Big Roy's well within the bounds of fair practice & use here.

but as you’ll notice from what I said earlier my problem isn’t with what he puts here, its when he trys to sell it on another site.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

he just really doesnt get it does he?

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting a little menage a 3?

WTG, GBR!

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

GBR ROCKS

I love reading his posts. I think he breaks more news and writes more succint and informative articles on my beloved Longhorns than any other journalist. (Sorry PB). But, I did start on this site while you were gone and I think GBR is right on. I love PB’s sense of humor which is not to be matched by anyone. PB is damn funny. But GBR is the inside story/fact man!!

GBR is clearly a journalistic talent and is going to be a mainstream succes.

JC, you raised an ok question, but you you are simply wrong in suggesting—well—what are you suggesting?

GBR is 100% above board. He does link his sources, (pay or free), and that just shows how kick ass he is.

I’m simply a Longhorn fan/addict who has been told by family and friends to leave them alone. I thank God for this site, GBR and PB.

by Wrangler86 on Aug 29, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please tell me what news he has ever broken?

Why is this so hard for y’all to see? Is everybody here brainwashed and afraid of getting kicked off the board to not speak up when someone is stealing another person’s work and then trying to pass it off as his own?

Okay, I’ll tell you what, I ‘m going to pull out my college football preview from SI from a couple weeks ago and post it on here and see if anybody notices. I mean nobody really cares huh? Ooh and then maybe PB will give me a job and I can post SI’s weekly Inside College Football.

Hold on one sec, ok got it. This week we’re talking about Michigan State’s blazing LB. Tune in next week to see what breaking news SI’s got, I mean I’ve got.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would really be careful

At first I was going to let this whole shenanigan go, but you continued to persist. You kept questioning GoBR’s ethics as a writer and a journalism which is completely uncalled for. You’re not even on the same frequency as PB’s arguements above.

Tread lightly bud.
Are you gonna start bitching about dimecoverage’s daily round-ups? She gets info from ALL over college football and links it in blog form. Her work is a life saver for us and we are VERY grateful for the work she, GoBR and PB and all the rest give us to keep this site the number 1 college sports blog on the internet.

You need to chill out as this is NOT your business and I think it would be in your best interest to just let it go. Nothing good can come of your continued prying into this matter. Drop it!

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me say this one final time.

I have a problem with him making money off it, which is what he is trying to do at the Examiner. It’s not right, it’s wrong. Simple as that. The truth is the truth.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It better be your final time.

Thats fine.

Your entitled to your opinion, however; there is no need to go online and throw a morality tantrum about it. Take a deep breath and let it go. If you really really want to tell the world about it on this blog, go ahead, but you will gain NO support nor sympathy for it. While I STRONGLY disagree with you, I will let it go for this blogs sake. But it needs to END NOW! This has gone on long enough and you are losing this battle on BON. Like I said earlier in this post…nothing good will come of your continuing tirade.

I know you’ve only been here not that long, but we dont like to bash our editors. Its just not something we do. Trust me, I do not agree with every asessment they make, but I let it go or simply email them to get the full story BEFORE I pass judgement. Do you know for a FACT that he gets paid for every article he writes?

Thanks and have a nice day.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just going on what he said

in his Afternoon Brewsky column from Aug. 28, “the more hits I get, the more money I can make.”

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously

who are you to tell anyone to ‘tread lightly’?

I looked at the list at the bottom of the page, and you are not an editor or a writer on this site.

What authority do you have to tell any other user of this page to “drop” any topic they are discussing?

by Beergut on Aug 30, 2009 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beergut

I wasn’t threatening this guy. I told to let it go because nothing good could come of his rant. It was a lost cause so I told him it would be best to just drop it.

I dont have any authority to tell anyone to drop it. It wasn’t like I was going to wave my magic wand and he’ll disappear.

And did you happen to notice any hint of sarcasm? Maybe I thought it was quite funny that this post is hugging the right wall of the thread? Nah?

How’s it hanging on the 12th man? Lotta comments there too? Sweet!

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 30, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Roy's interview with

him from June 29th effected his column in the Examiner and his quoting Inside Texas how? He specifically took comments from IT and used them in an article he’s trying to make money off of. It’s not right.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many times are you going to say its not right?

We get it. Move on.

I said good day sir!

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe that last comment was for

learned hand, who is still blinded from the truth. You my friend seem to have gotten it.

So yes have blessed day sir!

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should be

A dead federal judge is not an enemy anyone wants.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Aug 29, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I guess.

However, I will invite you and anyone else on this blog to church with me in the morning. Christ Community Church on 183 & McNeil off Research. Great little church, several UT athletes attend, including Tre Newton and Alex Okafor, and even some retired pros, Jeff Blake and Robert Jones. Hope to meet someone new tomorrow morning. Service starts at 10:30

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We go from calling out our GoBR to asking us to go to church.

Awesome!

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

As you know I stated earlier,

I don’t think it’s right and I’m not going to just let it go. Silence is acceptance.

Awesome indeed, hope you can make it!

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't been in Austin in years

Though suppose I appreciate the invitation. However, I would suggest in the future both in your proselytization and private life you attempt to understand why, exactly, someone disagrees with you.

Occasionally, they may have a grasp of a few things you do not. In this case, a smattering of copyright law, fair use doctrine, and publishing standards.

I suggest you educate yourself on this subject rather than approach it from a purely emotional point of view. You are not the only person on this blog, or the internet, with a moral compass. Presenting yourself as such does you, and the faith, no credit.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I have been a stumbling block to you

then I apologize. Paul says, “I will become all things to all men, so that I will not cause them to stumble.” So for that I will apologize, for not humbling myself and presenting my case or argument in a more graceful manner.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know you're new..

…but religion (any kind) is a hot topic that is not allowed on the site. You can ask PB for all the topics not allowed here.

by vy til i die on Aug 29, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I get kicked off this site for mentioning

Jesus Christ then I must be doing something right.

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Politics and Religion are off limits

For the same reason they are off limits at a dinner populated by strangers.

It’s my fault for not mentioning that earlier and sticking to it. That what I get for studying on a Saturday night.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Aug 29, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick question for you 2Cor12:9

You see all those ads at the top of the page? They make money for site owners. GoBR’s posts have always been monetized. It did not start with his writing for the Examiner. I don’t know if he personally has been making money off of his posts, but BON damn sure has. So your problem with GoBR did not start when he started writing for the Examiner. That’s just when you realized (kinda) how the internet works.

Also, if you object to the “morality” of it, then you should boycott his posts. Just don’t read them. I’m sure that there is tons of porn on the internet that you disagree with and think is morally reprehensible. Do you go to those sites and post about how morally wrong they are?

by ctex80 on Aug 29, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a fair assessment.

And perhaps’s I should boycott his posts, because it has bothered me for a while when he posts stuff on BON that is straight from another site, I guess I never really thought about him making money for this site.

As for going on to porn sites, that is something that I shouldn’t even get myself involved in, because the imagination is a dangerous thing and those kinds of pictures can create a stronghold in your mind. Every man on this site can testify to temptation stalking us everyday.

However, if anyone does want to read my views on Christianity, take a look at this discussion over at And The Valley Shook:
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2009/7/23/960755/clay-traviss-question-about-tim

by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey.

So just FYI, everyone’s got their own personal opinions about various matters that don’t relate to college football, like politics and religion. Obviously, those opinions and that faith, if any, will influence one’s way of thinking about many things. But let’s leave them implicit, okay? This isn’t going to turn into a debate about such things and it sure isn’t going to turn into an avenue for proselytization of any kind. Thanks.

by billyzane on Aug 31, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

You’re actually trying to lure people to your religion with promises of meeting famous athletes? I suppose that is probably much more effective than explaining your theology.

by mikey 4 on Aug 30, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get it either... nt whills

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Aug 29, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swing an a Miss. nt

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 29, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

So we are calling him once a week and inviting him to come watch a game or two already, right?

Has he ever said anything about where he’d prefer to go (hopefully UT)?

by UT_BKC on Aug 28, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he definitely likes UT

and has talked about staying in the area. Muschamp did invite him to come to a couple of games this season and I think he will. It’s hard to say what will happen when the interest in Lindley inevitably picks up, but I think Texas has a great shot with him if they decide to offer him a scholarship.

Will he get an offer? I think that’s hard to say at this point but he has such a great frame that Chessher thought he could eventually put on enough weight to become a defensive end. I think his skills in coverage are really valuable as a linebacker, especially in the Big 12 where teams desperately need versatile guys that don’t have to come off the field on third down or get exploited in the passing game on first and second.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

is there any video of this kid available online?

couldn’t find anything in a cursory search on his name on Youtube

by Beergut on Aug 29, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should have a video on Youtube.

Last season’s highlights. As I mentioned, a lot of his reputation is built on his performances this summer and the Skyline game. I’ll see for myself next week when they play Connally how he looks. Dunno about video yet, though. Hopefully later this season. I’ll have much more in depth looks at Wade, Lindley, Williams and some of the other players by the end of the season.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 29, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, found a video

it is linked off his rivals profile

After watching that video, I can see why he has only been offered by SMU. Reality is, despite what he may have accomplished in camps this Summer, on the field, he doesn’t really stand out. If he truly runs a 4.5 (something I seriously doubt after watching him on film), people will watch to see how he develops in his junior season, but right now, highlight videos like P.L. Lindley’s are a dime a dozen.

by Beergut on Aug 30, 2009 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just thought you should know.

For your info he has more than one offer, recruiter expert. It doesn’t matter if he stands out to you, only the college coaches is what matters. Not only does he runs a 4.5 forty he also runs the 200 meters in the low 22’s (as a soph. at 210 pounds). The film is from his soph. season, first year on varsity. He is been recruited by every Big 12 school and several OOS schools. He has established himself as one of the better coverage linebackers of the 2011 class. As a sophomore he was second in tackles on his team, Stony Point High School, who went to the state semifinals. He has a 3.9 GPA going into his Junior season. If you feel he doesn’t stand out to you Coach. You should take that up with Mack Brown and Will Muschamp,because they are the one who are recruiting him at this time.

by platnmram on Aug 30, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why don’t you read the linked article?

After attending summer camps at Texas, Baylor, and SMU, Lindley received an offer from SMU, but has yet to hear much from the other major programs in the region.

Or check his rivals profile, which only has an offer listed from SMU?

If he has more than one offer, it appears it would be news to GoBR and Rivals, so why don’t you go inform these “recruiter expert” types.

Not only does he runs a 4.5 forty he also runs the 200 meters in the low 22’s (as a soph. at 210 pounds).

I don’t care what he runs on the track, I’ve seen plenty of kids who can run a 4.5, and he isn’t one of them. He’s a 4.7, if that.

The film is from his soph. season, first year on varsity.

No, really? I thought it was from his senior season; thanks for informing me.

He has established himself as one of the better coverage linebackers of the 2011 class.

I can’t seem to find the rankings for the “coverage linebackers” in the 2011 class; can you post a link to them?

As a sophomore he was second in tackles on his team, Stony Point High School, who went to the state semifinals.

That doesn’t have a damn thing to do with his potential as a college linebacker; it just means he’s a good high school player. There are plenty of GREAT high school players who still aren’t good enough to play in college.

He has a 3.9 GPA going into his Junior season.

That has nothing to do with how he plays on the field or his highlight film. If I was critiquing his academics, that comment would be germane to the conversation.

If you feel he doesn’t stand out to you Coach. You should take that up with Mack Brown and Will Muschamp,because they are the one who are recruiting him at this time.

pparently, he doesn’t stand out much to them, either, because they are waiting to see how he does his junior season before they offer him.

I stand by my original comment.

by Beergut on Aug 30, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

BG pimping out the block quotes.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 30, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can stand by whatever you want it doesn’t make a difference unless you are giving out scholli’s. They call this sideline chearleading. Your opinion is just that an opinion. UT doesn’t offer scholli’s until Junior day. You must be an aggie fan Now, if you are giving out scholli’s or if I miss that you were a college recruiter. My bad, I stand corrected, not. I stand by my original comment. If you want the real scoop. Talk to Geooff Ketchum, at Rivals Orangebloods. Unless that is a violation of plagiarism. LOL

by platnmram on Aug 30, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

lemme guess

you’re a high school student?

16-17 yrs old?

And you think Ketchum is a valid source? Wow. Ketchum knows as much about evaluating football recruits as the average high school football fan who watches games on Friday nights. Ask Ketchum whatever happened to his “#1 recruit in the state” Alfio Randle.

by Beergut on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is getting petty
This entire thread is… beyond words.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Sep 1, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Put down the shovel, Beergut

And walk away.

This entire thread is… beyond words.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 31, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

plagiarism is stealing from one source, research is stealing from many sources.

by Displaced Longhorn on Aug 29, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, that was fun...

I actually didn’t even bother to click the link or look at this discussion, because I wasn’t interested in talking recruiting at the moment, but a friend told me to check this out. Wow. At least we got to see the rare moment where a string of comments hug the right side.

by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 30, 2009 2:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I was interested in a recruiting article . . . .

and was curious how a story about an under the radar 2011 LB recruit had generated 71 comments. This was a very entertaining thread and well worth the time I spent reading it.

 I have made some age gap related gaffes (Mike Jones——who?) on occasion but this thread has some classics. A quote from the New Testament countering a comment about the fair use doctrine of intellectual property law is without question the funniest thing I have ever read on a recruiting board.

by Arroyo Grande on Aug 30, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think if he is writing for a paper then he should use info he received in an interview and not from another site. Just my opinion. On a blog it is fine to make links to info that is not yours (or simply credit the author). I think it is different with an article in a paper.

by miketag on Aug 30, 2009 3:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I just thought it was funny that in the article

he put the ‘$’ after the source, to let everyone know it is a pay site. Not sure papers use the same vernacular we use on blogs :-)

by Beergut on Aug 30, 2009 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do you mean

What do you mean by “info that is not yours?” We’re talking about facts here, not personal or real property. I’m not sure how the facts at issue are susceptible of ownership.

by mikey 4 on Aug 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

You really have no comprehension

of how media works, do you? The tangible difference between a newspaper and a blog being what, exactly?

by ctex80 on Aug 30, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly

I don’t think he read the article prior to posting his position, which was somewhat needed in order to understand what was going on.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 31, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks GOBR, appreciate the updates as always!

You’re a good man, I don’t care what 2Corinth says about you, hahahaha

by SneezyBeltran on Aug 30, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Sneezy

Where the hell you been? We may need a jinx now and then.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 30, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

newspapers have reporters who are confined by the ethics of journalism. They have a much easier time getting interviews and more access to information. Blogs have contributors that are bound by no ethics or code of conduct. Call Belmont and tell them you are a writer for the AAS and want to reserve a media pass fir Saturdays game. Now do the same thing but tell them you are a contributor to this blog. You will find there is a big difference.

by miketag on Aug 30, 2009 3:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Well said nt.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Aug 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really wish I would have been around for this thread yesterday...

A big part of my job is to understand news, fair use and reporting practices; I can assure you, 2Cor12:9, that BON does far more than most blogs to protect other content producers. Also, having read the thread in its entirety, I must say that you really know how to beat the proverbial dead horse, sir.

the man, the myth, the legend.

by JYarbs on Aug 30, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

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