USC vs FL chants coming soon
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 10:54 AM CDT
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PrintAre you paying attention Mack Brown and GD? Are you truly paying attention? Because if you are, 41-10 over Wyoming is a "B-" grade for the #2 team in the country on the road to a clearly inferior opponent. Moreover, giving up 20 points to www.smallcityschools.com is horrific...especially in Austin. USC did not do that nor did FL. The talk in SoCal is not that of "I hope we can catch the Horns" but more of "when we catch them." While USC must go unbeaten to accomplish said task, a one loss UT and one loss USC does not bode well for BON. While USC typically has trouble with one of the Oregon schools and the CAL game is a bit auspicious, UT must go unbeaten against TT, OUsux, and OK St. The scary game in the middle of all of this for the Horns is Baylor. They nearly got TT last season and are a better program this year compared to last. It is the letdown game on the schedule and I am sure the coaching staff is aware.
Mack, you need to pile on with class. You are going to have to win big to keep the media honks from talking USC and FL into the MNC. I am not talking about leaving Colt in and throwing while up by 40 with 4 minutes to go in the 4th ala Classless Stoops. No, I am talking about putting GG in when the game is in hand and throwing the ball down the field in case the unthinkable happens and we have an injured Colt on the sidelines. Get this kid some real game experience so he can lead if necessary. Do not be comfortable with being up by 30 and calling it a day. That will not be enough to get it done. We have to face the reality that USC and FL are the media darlings. Yes, there is a good story with Colt going for the Heisman this season coupled with two big revenge games with TT and OUsux. And isn't it is a sad state of affairs when you beat a team 45-35 and you feel you need to exact some revenge on them? To top it off, the Big XII left that tiebreaker just as it was last season. Superb morons. Just an awesome system we have in place.
So Mack, I beg of you...do not leave it to chance. When a game is in hand, put GG in there and go vertical with the passing game. If the team fails to execute that is one thing. But, to go conservative after Colt comes out could be a MNC death sentence. More often than not there is a victim of controversy with the system we have in place. Ask Auburn, USC, and UT for confirmation. Keep the Horns off of the tombstone this year please. Thank you.
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Uh. Stop it already.
Stop being such nervous ninnies. Just win out and we’ll be fine. At the end of the year our SOS will be better than USC and we’ll top them in the computer, if not the human (easily swayed) polls. What’s USC got, Cal? ND? That’s one more ranked team for them all year. Two ranked teams total. We’ll play at least four by the end of the year. (OU, OSU, Tech, Kansas. And yes, I’m saying Tech will be ranked by the end of the year.) As long as we win out, we’re in. Stop with the hand-wringing already, it’s unbecoming.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Sep 14, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That is all well and good...but,
How did that work out for us last year? How did it work out for Auburn in 2004 I believe? I want the pedal to the metal this year. I am not worried or nervous. But if you want to keep telling yourself that our performance on the field aka, HOW WE WIN does not matter, and that makes you feel better, be my guest. I will have to disagree.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Um we lost a game last year
just in case you forgot.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Sep 14, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
How could one forget...
chips fell where they may last year…were ya happy?
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
USC....
has one of the toughest road wins against ohio state and ND isnt any slouch team this year. Our assumed two biggest wins in our SOS, if we win out, will be against oklahoma state and OU, which, at that point, will both be, at the least, 2-loss teams.
just sayin.
Penn State
will beat Ohio State. Notre Dame will lose atleast 2 games this year. Missouri and Kansas should be ranked when Texas beats them. Baylor and a&m might find a way to get ranked too. Texas has a tougher schedule than USC.
by Longhorns84 on Sep 14, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
PSU always chokes to Michigan.
Seriously. I know they beat them occasionally, but they’ve lost to some truly awful Michigan teams.
I recall PSU's QB getting benched last year and Ohio State winning the Big 10.
I am not going to take the time to really dig into it, but the last time I remember PSU beating OSU was in 2005 when their only loss was Michigan on that last second play.
?
Did they not beat them last year? Wasn’t it OSU’s qb that was benched? And they were co-champions w/ 1 loss each.
by vy til i die on Sep 14, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, you're not looking forward enough
I’m talking by the end of the year. A game in week two won’t mean all that much when USC continues to play cupcake teams for the rest of the year and we have the RRR, a battle with OSU, Baylor, Kansas, and other top 25 teams coming up. Again, Cal will probably be the only other ranked team they beat all year. That’s two against our 4, potentially 5. It’s all in the math. We win, we’re in. That’s all there is to it.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Sep 14, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
A complete game whipping of Tech on nat'l TV saturday night..
will calm the paranoia……….. at least for a week, lol.
unbeaten usc is a threat
Horns beating tech, ou, and okie state may not trump usc beating ohio state, cal, and notre dame, all on the road. it isn’t handwringing to acknowledge that many voters are stupid (see: ou wins big xii south tiebreaker, 2008) and that the media will hype Barkley-VS-Tebow to death. that said, cal or ND could take down the overrated trojans, but if they don’t, watch out.
You have GOT to be kidding me
Media will hype Tebow vs McCoy to death. I understand Barkley is a freshman and he is talented but the storyline is already set. Side-plots will come out of the wood-work asking who’s the better Christian and all that jazz. Its a match made in Heaven, no pun intended.
Anyways, everyone needs to stop freaking out. Its September 14th! We have 3 whole months left of regular season football to be played. Relax and get ready for Saturday because NONE of this matters if we don’t show up then.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Storylines can change
Especially one that has been played up for months already. I think sports reporters would be thrilled to push the story of the rising Golden Boy at USC leading the trojans to the title game, and the poll voters are ready to believe it. USC is already nearly even with UT in the polls, and the media is clearly eager for barkley to flourish—at SI, Chad is calling him a potential Heisman Candidate (really? 15-31,195-0-1), and Mandel compares him to Joe Montana; Fox Sports is spouting the “freshmen grew up before our eyes” nonesense, and the AP story all over the web is calling the last drive against Ohio State “one of the great drives in USC’s storied history.” If USC wins out, the media will find it more interesting to hype the new kid than Colt. And the fools who vote will listen.
by Orangetower87 on Sep 14, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Just let the pieces fall as they may
nothing good can come of worrying. Nothing
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
agreed
but i am not so much worrying as venting (my wife is SOOO happy I found BON so she doesn’t have to listen to my complaining about the polls). love my horns and am psyched about Saturday!
by Orangetower87 on Sep 14, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Pundits of the world
We all know they are morons and odds are they will plug the USC vs Florida matchup as much as possible if they can but, isn’t it possible they bring up last year’s screw job if all records and numbers are close enough?
Last year the media had no problems having sympathy for the Horns and swaying voters to look at what was going on and a lot of them shifted their votes. The computers did us in and I don’t think that would be the case this year.
Also the media wouldn’t be too upset bringing up that McCoy vs Tebow would be battling it out on the biggest stage for the heisman (now that Bradford is out and assuming someone like Best doesn’t go crazy).
As long as we avoid a let-down game and/or the injury bug, I think this year will be easier to navigate to the title game than last year ended up being.
How quickly you lose your moral compass
I am not talking about leaving Colt in and throwing while up by 40 with 4 minutes to go in the 4th ala Classless Stoops.
And yet you don’t let that keep you from feeling morally superior to the sooners even as you espouse doing the exactly what you deride them for.
Is that why we didn't get more statistical goodness this offseason?
Horn Brain was rewatching Twilight and working at Hot Topic?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 14, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wells, if Stoops would have pulled Bradford...
and thrown with the second team O, I honestly would have no problem…those kids need reps too in case they are needed. We all know the difference between what I am suggesting and what happens in Norman, Ok.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
…even as you espouse doing the exactly what you deride them for.
Yyyyyeeeaaaahh. That’s not what he did.
And yet you don’t let that keep you from feeling morally superior…/blockquote>
And you’re not with your over-readiness to point out his supposed “hypocrisy”, to the point that you don’t even recognize that he was NOT suggesting doing “exactly” what they did? You just saw a chance and got tunnel vision didn’t ya? Yeah. Fail.
AND...
I fail on the blockquote. Meh. Better to fail at that than the other…
First of all
" Yeah. Fail. " is just silly.
Second, he is talking about running up the score. “pedal to the medal” and “Being up 30 is not enough”. That is Stoopsian, and Wells is calling him on it.
And third, he made his point with proper blockquoting, which is something that I (and you apparently) have not yet mastered.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
by SwimTexas on Sep 14, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Undefeated USC?
They still have 10 games to play. With a freshman quarterback. Who already has a bruised shoulder.
If I may quote Public Enemy in this forum: “Don’t believe the hype.”
Lots of crazy things will happen in the next two months that nobody will foresee. But I will try anyway and predict that USC will not go undefeated.
How about NOBODY will be undefeated
except one of those non-BCSers playing LSotP a half-dozen times.
We just finished the second week of the season
The BCS rankings aren’t even out yet, and won’t be for another month. A little early for this.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 14, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
i will just be happy if we can beat TT impressively
A performance like last week as the primetime game will kill us.
by mtntrance on Sep 14, 2009 1:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Lame
What would satisfy Kirk Bohls and the rest of the complainers? Does Mack need to rip out the other coach’s heart after the game and eat it? How much MOV does one need to be happy? Seriously?
Chances of Horns, UF, and USC winning the rest of the remaining games is pretty close to nil, so don’t sweat it and enjoy the season, peeps.
That being said, I am hoping for an abuse-fest this coming week, just for vindictive reasons. F TT.
reminds me of a True Blood episode.
by mtntrance on Sep 14, 2009 2:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wyoming and ULM
Wyoming came to play on Saturday and hung in there for 2 quarters mainly from 2 Punting mistakes. There is nothing wrong with a 41-10 final against a team like Wyoming who took this game as the game of the century for them. Don’t forget that the altitude played havoc on Colt’s accuracy. ULM’s 20 points is no concern either. One TD from blown coverage, 1 late in the game when the game was over, The 2 field goals were from turnovers where the Texas D stood tall and kept them out of the end zone. Mack Brown said as much that he played 2nd and 3rd team players early and often on Defense in the ULM game. ULM will put up a lot of points this year against their opponents. In my opinion Texas’ performance in the first two games was plenty impressive and showed what kind and how tough their team is.
Yeah, we've been stretching our legs against ULM / Wyoming
I think we’re going to hit Tech hard. It’s a conference game and the gloves are going to come off.
It’ll be the first real test of our D, and hopefully after Saturday, we can point to them as being one of our true strengths. If our D can be as dominant as our offense is, then we’re in great shape.
I’m also no advocate of running up the score. Just tick a ‘W’ in the box each week and things will work themselves out.
Not running up the score
I will make an exception for Tech, though!
Can one of the nervous nellies answer this for me . . .
We have to face the reality that USC and FL are the media darlings.
Why do all of you assume that THE WHOLE WORLD HATES US and that all “the media” wants is a match-up that doesn’t include Texas in the championship game?!?
I swear, if USC loses and Penn State becomes the #3 team, well see nothing on BON but “the pundits want Tebow vs. JoePa. We’re doomed!!!!”
What evidence does anyone have that “the media” hates us disproportionately?!? We seem to get a wee bit of media coverage, last time I checked. Gameday is coming to Austin for a game against an unranked opponent.
So to echo kreiss, calm down everyone!!!!
Formerly kjm017
No, it makes perfect sense
As a business, ESPN would want to shut out the second most populous state in the country, the second largest economy, and the highest revenue football program at the college level in order to please Mickey Mouse before he returns to Valhalla to slumber and feed. I don’t understand why you don’t get this.
After all, if there’s one thing ESPN and its ilk are completely indifferent to it’s money and viewership.
/On a somewhat serious note, having lived out of the state almost since graduation, there are more out of state T-shirt fans for UT than any program not named Notre Dame or Southern Cal in my very amateur estimation.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Sep 14, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do not assume the world hates Texas...
But, the reality is USC is a bit sexier. 11 national titles and blah blah blah. I do not like it, but it is what it is.
Please note: I am a huge Horns fan and this post came from the heart for wanting the best for this team.
Am I sensitive by us getting the royal hose treatment last year? Absolutely.
Am I worried? No.
Do I think Mack will pile on? No, I do not.
Do I wish he would at times for the betterment of his program in the manner described above? Yes, I sure wish he would.
In closing: the chips fell where they may last season and here is what I recall regarding OU, TT, and our beloved Horns:
“Best Loss” UT – OU got smacked by 10 in come from behind fashion and TT gave up 60 plus in a blowout. OU held to their season low point total by UT. UT losing with one second left due to Gideon missed ice opportunity. Don’t worry Blake…that loss is not on you. Had the O showed up in the first half, we might be going for our third title this decade.
“Worst Loss” – TT…see above. If you give up 60+, you are out of all championship discussions. Have a nice day. The voters thought so as well as they punished them down to 7 or so.
The title appearance thieves know they stole one. I just do not want anyone else to steal one from us. I think Utah is a little pissed about last season as well. I’m just sayin…
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Preach it, brother.
Right on!
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Sep 14, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahem. That was for Hopkins Horn, not Mulliganville.
Nothing against Mulliganville, though I think he needs to relax and stop with the sissy talk.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Sep 14, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sissy talk? Example please...
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The reality is, USC has performed great in bowl games and If there are 3 undefeated teams: USC UT and UF, I could see it being pretty close between USC and UT.
My solution: pile on the points Mack, dont hesitate to reach the 60s
Very slim odds
If you assume UF, Texas and USC each have a 95% chance of winning each game (an absurdly high chance for many of the games, but let’s be conservative here), there is only a 19.4% chance all three teams run the table.
If you reduce the odds to a still-high 90% chance of victory per game, the odds fall to 3.4%
And if you go to a realistic 85% chance, the odds of all three teams running the table are 0.6%.
Don’t worry, folks.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 14, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
you know...
it is not so much that all three will run the table that raises eyebrows, it is more likely that all would have a loss each. And this is where the style points come in. Sure if you run the table, you control your own destiny…well, uh, except for USC and Auburn. Who can forget this:
In the 2003 BCS National Championship Game, The Sugar Bowl , BCS #2 Louisiana State defeated BCS #1 Oklahoma 21–14. Meanwhile, BCS #3 USC defeated BCS #4 Michigan 28–14 in the Rose Bowl. USC finished the season ranked #1 in the AP poll and was awarded the AP National Championship; LSU, however, won the BCS National Championship title for that year, prompting a split national title between LSU and USC. In the wake of the controversy, corporate sponsors emerged who were willing to organize an LSU-USC game to settle the matter; nevertheless, the NCAA refused to permit the matchup.
Ahhhh, nothing like our solid system for crowning a champion.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
And this...
In 2003, highly touted but unproven redshirt sophomore Matt Leinart took over for Palmer at quarterback. Although his first pass went for a touchdown in a win over Auburn, the Trojans suffered an early season triple-overtime loss to conference rival California in Berkeley. Nevertheless, Carroll guided the team to wins in their remaining games and they completed the regular season 11–1. Before the postseason, both the coaches’ poll and the AP Poll ranked USC number #1, but the BCS – which also gave consideration to computer rankings – ranked Oklahoma first, another one-loss team but one that had lost its own Big 12 Conference title game 35–7, with USC ranked third.
Now, a triple OT loss and they were still passed up by a team that lost their conference championship game. The broken system at its finest.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 14, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
So what your saying is
we can lose the big 12 championship game and still play in the national title over USC?
The fretting on this board . . .
. . . is concentrated on the scenario that Texas will go undefeated but will be locked out of the championship game in favor of an undefeated Florida and an undefeated USC. My continued harping on this scenario goes to the facts that (1) it is highly unlikely that all three teams go a combined 32-0 the remainder of the season and (2) even if the three teams do in fact combine to go 32-0, it is doubtful to me that Texas will be passed by USC. However, if Texas were in fact to be passed by USC, it is exponentially more likely that it would happen not because of some ill-defined pro-USC bias in the media but rather because of some meritorious reason (USC looks much more impressive than Texas over the course of the season; a stronger SOS, after the season plays out, pushes USC past Texas once the computers are added in; etc.)
As far as being worried about Texas being among a group of one-loss teams . . . I would say don’t bother right now. I would tend to agree with a number of posters on BON who argue that the Achilles’s Heal of Texas weaker-than-normal OOC is the fact that Texas might not fare too well if in a pool of a bunch of one-loss teams at the end of the season. (In other words, I think we stay where we are if undefeated, but a loss will give voters the excuse to reexamine the totality of Texas’ season, including its OOC SOS. But that’s not “bias.”)
There is no way to know what that pool of one-loss teams would possibly look like, so to worry about it now strikes me as being an extreme exercise in futility.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 15, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Frankly
We need to be more worried about winning all of our games. That isn’t exactly a guarantee. If we play strong football and win, we will have a few blowouts without trying to run up the score, and that should be enough. Start worrying if USC, Texas, and Florida are all 10-0 (or somebody else). It’s way too early for this.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 15, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions
If Mack goes about Biz as usual...
it will be too late if we arrive in the scenario you described. OU got us on style points last year. It sucks that is the reality, but it is a very true one and a tough lesson learned. Time for Colt to run (which will happen) and this team to unleash its true potential.
Hook Em!
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Sep 16, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely Agree, Mulliganville
I was watching the NFL last night and there was an advertisement for the BCS National Championship. The images in that ad were of Matt Barkley and Pete Carroll.. The coaches poll is significant to the BCS and I guarantee most all the coaches won’t see all the games. They will watch highlights and read the news.. This is a legitimate concern..
I agree...
This is a legitimate concern. The system is jacked up and the only only thing we can do is play the game. Get GG in there and start slinging it. I wouldnt consider that running up the score. Our backups need reps, and we need to look impressive to those “idiot” voters who only see the box score.
Vince Young >Tim Tebow.
by PineypointG on Sep 15, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Right on the money
about both the idiot voters who only see box scores and the benefits of letting GG get in an throw.
by Orangetower87 on Sep 15, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
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