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Morning Coffee Thinks the WildHorn Is No Q Package

Texas wide receiver John Chiles, left, playing as quarterback, rushes for 34 yards on a quarterback-draw during the first quarter of their NCAA college football game against Texas Tech, Saturday, Sept. 19, 2009, in Austin, Texas. Tech defensive back LaRon Moore, right, pursues. (AP Photo/Harry Cabluck)

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2 months ago: Texas wide receiver John Chiles, left, playing as quarterback, rushes for 34 yards on a quarterback-draw during the first quarter of their NCAA college football game against Texas Tech, Saturday, Sept. 19, 2009, in Austin, Texas. Tech defensive back LaRon Moore, right, pursues. (AP Photo/Harry Cabluck)

Horns_bullet_mediumFlavor of the Week at running back: John Chiles. After carrying the ball 20 times and finding the end zone for the second time in two weeks and landing himself atop the depth chart for the first time, Tre' Newton was a serious candidate to take this honor for the second week in a row. However, that's not how this things works. Fickle, remember?

That's why John Chiles lands in this spot for his cameo leading the WildHorn, the Texas answer to the Wildcat made famous at Arkansas by Darren McFadden and last season by the Miami Dolphins. It's the fad all across football at pretty much every level and the Longhorns are jumping aboard the bandwagon. On the incipient play of the formation, Chiles took a quarterback counter 33 yards and almost broke it the entire distance had he not taken a poor angle into a chasing defender. Trust your speed, Johnny C. The formation also produced a five-yard gain by DJ Monroe on a counter, a fumble on a poor snap by Chris Hall that Chiles should have handled anyway, and a completed reversempass to James Kirkendoll by Colt McCoy.

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Mack Brown said on Monday that the formation is here to stay:

We want the ball in John's hands as much as we can get it. Every time he touches it in the running game in the past, he has made plays usually. Saturday night, I thought, he really jump started us offensively. He ran the quarterback counter and that was a read play and you have a 10.0 100-meter guy out there and you have John Chiles, who runs real fast at 200 pounds. It just gives you some extra weapons on the field. I thought the reverse pass was a good thought off of it, too. We'll continue to let part of the package grow and that's part of who we are because we will let Colt run it some, but it also takes the ball out of Colt's hands as a runner and lets John run, and we'll have some passes for John, too. We feel like that's better than the other package we had, so aptly named that it was dropped because John is doing more things that he is used to doing. Last year, we were trying to do things he was not used to.

Beergut questioned the difference between the WildHorn and the Q package and the last sentence provides Brown's thoughts on the matter. In the same post, I mentioned that I would like to see the Longhorns incorporate a jet sweep for DJ Monroe into the formation, a staple of the formation in Miami. Other options include Chiles throwing a pass to keep the defense honest, the zone read, and the speed option.

For a team still struggling at times in the running game, the WildHorn is the perfect formation to pick up yards on the ground, get the ball into the hands of playmakers, and put some serious pressure on the defense. Besides Kodi Burns at Auburn, there probably isn't another player in the country triggering the formation who is as much of a threat to pass the ball out of the Wildcat as John Chiles. Kudos to Greg Davis for using the formation and giving the offense a spark.

Horns_bullet_mediumA "work in progress?" Coming into the season, there were questions about the running game, the tight ends, and the defensive tackles, but few people found themselves spending time worrying about whether the offense was going to be able to move the football. Overall yardage isn't a a particularly strong measure of success, but the 340 yards of total offense gained against Tech represented the lowest output in total yards since 2007 KSU game, one of the low water marks of the last several years.

Mack Brown called the offense a "work in progress" after the game on Saturdya, a surprise considering the expectations surrounding the unit coming into the season. Last week, the major story was the conversation Mack Brown had with McCoy about having more fun, hoping that would help alleviate the slow starts by the offense over the first two starts. Unfortunately, McCoy got hit by the flu this week, according to Brown:

Practice is important and he didn't practice Tuesday. He was out there but didn't practice. He got very little done Wednesday. I thought at halftime, he had the shakes just a little bit because he hadn't eaten. He didn't feel good, and he was weak. They gave him stuff, some energy to help him, and I thought he settled down and played better the second half. I don't know.

The health problems explain the first half against Texas Tech, but not the first half of the other two games. Part of the solution may be speeding up the tempo earlier in the game:

We changed the tempo in the second half the other night. We probably should have started with a faster tempo and that would have helped. The first drive was good, but then we just kept getting stopped because you look and you have one guy here, one guy there, so you just challenge everybody to do better and be more consistent.

A faster tempo earlier in the game might help, but McCoy is also part of the problem. He often focuses in on Jordan Shipley and misses other open receivers. At other times, his mechanics break down and the ball sails on him, the case with both of the interceptions on tipped balls against Texas Tech. Sure, Malcolm Williams could and probably should have caught the second interception, but there's a reason quarterbacks are taught to keep the ball low when throwing over the middle of the field. It's hard to tell what the problem is mechanically, but McCoy needs to work hard on staying on top of the football this week. Another problem is his footwork, as he failed to step into a pass in the first half last week.

If defenses are going to keep two safeties deep and only six men in the box, the Longhorns must run the football more often and more consistently. In football it's hard to get betters numbers than that. Another adjustment is to run more intermediate routes and routes up the middle of the field, especially if a linebacker isn't retreating to cover the seam. That's a role for Buckner to exploit, but the Longhorns haven't used him down the field consistently, often keeping him underneath as a screen threat or check down option.

Until McCoy rediscovers his accuracy and the offensive line blocks well enough to force another linebacker onto the field or a safety up closer to the line of scrimmage, the Longhorns will probably continue to struggle against two deep safeties and seven or eight players dropped into coverage. Can Greg Davis make the proper adjustments?

Horns_bullet_mediumPlaymaking defense makes an appearance. Through the first two games, it appeared that Texas hadn't made progress in their off season goal of forcing more turnovers. Earl Thomas and Blake Gideon dropped interceptions and Aaron Williams looked like the only player really trying to knock the ball out on defense. That all changed on Saturday. Well, mostly. Earl Thomas could have intercepted one or two more passes and Aaron Williams had one hit his hands.

However, there were positive signs. The Longhorns sacked Potts three times, pressured him 10 times and got 23 hits on the Tech quarterback. More importantly, Texas forced five fumbles, recovering two. Emmanuel Acho forced two of them, with Aaron Williams forcing another and Eddie Jones and Sergio Kindle both stripping the ball on sacks. The Longhorns should have recovered the fumble forced Jones had Alex Okafor simply fallen on the ball instead of scooping it up and trying to run in for the touchdown. Sam Acho would have. Earl Thomas intercepted a pass that he nearly returned for a touchdown, but replays showed that his knee hit the ground as he caught the football.

Interceptions may continue to be hard to come by as land as the defensive backs show a general inability to catch the football, but there is potential for growth there with the secondary still being remarkably young. More heartening is the playmaking of Aaron Williams and Emmanuel Acho -- those two players seem to have a real knack for knocking the ball loose and if there has been one truth revealed by the first three games, it's that Sam Acho will be around the football once it ends up on the ground.

Horns_bullet_mediumTracking: first half third down conversions. A major reason why the Longhorns struggled to move the ball in the first half was the inability to convert third downs for a second straight week. After going five for 17 against Wyoming, Texas only converted three of eight third downs in the first half against Texas Tech. The first failed third down came on the first possession after Adam Ulatoski got beat on a speed rush by a defensive tackle playing defensive end out of necessity. Think about that for a second. Not good. On the second failed third down, McCoy rolled to his left and airmailed a pass over the head of an open John Chiles on a 3rd and 3 -- it should have been an easy pitch and catch.

The third failed third down found McCoy's footwork breaking down on 3rd and 11 and missing Kirkendoll on his check down, but the play wouldn't have gotten close a first down anyway -- the real problem came on the play before on an ugly play that might have been a zone read as Bront Bird took down McCoy in the backfield for a six-yard loss after a gain of four yards on first down. If the play was a zone read, McCoy should have handed off the ball because Bird crashed hard into the backfield. Whatever the case, the play was a complete disaster and put the Longhorns in a tough situation on third down.

The fourth failed third down came mostly as a result of the Chiles fumble on first down in the WildHorn that put the Longhorns behind the chains. Chiles made up for it on second down with a screen pass that he turned into a 10-yard gain with a couple of nice cuts and a spin, but McCoy tried to find Shipley on third down even though he wasn't open and had the pass knocked down at the line of scrimmage.

On the last Texas drive of the first half, the Longhorns failed to convert a third down for the fifth time in the half. On 3rd and 5, the Extra Blocking Surface stayed in the game and caught a pass for three yards in the flat. He never had a chance to make the first down. An Extra Blocking Surface might help the running game (I'm not overly convinced of that, either), but on obvious passing plays like 3rd and 5, if EBS is going to stay in the game the Longhorns might as well just punt on third down and save themselves the trouble. And that's not a knock on Greg Smith as much as it's a knock on Greg Davis.

In analyzing all the failed third downs in the first half, it's really a smorgasbord of the failures of the offense at the current time. There's a missed block on the offensive line, courtesy of the left tackle, an overthrown pass by McCoy, bad footwork by McCoy, McCoy staring down Shipley, and the fan favorite, EBS. Just a little bit of everything there. A resumption of McCoy's normal accuracy would greatly help the offense on third down, as would McCoy going through his reads properly.

The bad news is that this team, without Quan Cosby, Chris Ogbonnaya, and Brandon Collins, just might not be as good on third down as last year and that means the running game in particular needs to step up and avoid plays that result in zero or negative yardage because McCoy completing 80% of his passes doesn't look like it's going to happen this season.

Horns_bullet_mediumTracking: special teams play. For the second year in a row, Jordan Shipley scored a touchdown on a punt return against Texas Tech. Fortunately for Texas fans, this punt return helped the Longhorns win the game instead of just get back into the game and counted for the only touchdown of the first half. Had Shipley not found the end zone on that play, which included great blocks by Ben Wells, Nolan Brewster, and Curtis Brown, the first half would have been an unmitigated disaster for the Texas offense, and, instead of playing comfortably with a two score lead for most of the second half, the Longhorns would have found themselves in a dog fight with the Red Raiders.

Last season, field position wasn't a big deal for the Longhorns, as it just meant the Longhorns would take more time off the clock and wear down the defense even more with a longer drive for a touchdown. This year, with the offense struggling at times, field position appears to be a much bigger factor, at least in the last two games. The Longhorns failed to score on all four drives that started inside their 30 yardline and scored only once in six such drives against Wyoming. To give proper credit to the Texas offense, three drives went for more than 70 yards and touchdowns against ULM, though the WarHawks are by far the worst team Texas has faced yet this season.

The point in all this is that DJ Monroe and Malcolm Williams become even more important returning kicks, along with Jordan Shipley returning punts, because field position may play a larger factor this year in determining whether the Longhorns score or not. Monroe averaged 33 yards per return against Tech and Williams averaged 29, so both players are putting the Longhorns in good position to start drives. Shipley averaged 22 yards per punt return against Tech, numbers aided greatly by his return for a touchdown.

The problems in the kicking game did not return this week, perhaps aided by the unconventional rugby-style punting Texas went with against Texas Tech, as John Gold did not attempt a punt in the game and Justin Tucker continued to be effective kicking with either foot, leading to three punts down inside the Tech 15 yardline. On kickoffs, Tucker hasn't been as impressive during the two games at home as Mack Brown seemed to indicate he was in fall practice, but the coverage has generally been solid, keeping Tech at their 27 yardline on kick offs. More touchbacks would nice, however, and save yards in the field position, but the Longhorns shouldn't be losing any phases of the kicking game very often.

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I posted this earlier today on BarkingCarnival. Watching Miami run wild cat last night got me thinking about wild horn. The possibilities are huge.

From BC:

“The wild horn package is going to be a big deal this year for the horns. The reason why wild horn will work (when the Q package was dropped quickly last season) is that Chiles is significantly better this year. He is faster, is a bona fide starting WR, and runs the ball much better than last year. He is also a lot more mature than last season.

Wild horn permits the QB to participate in the running offense without risking Colt’s health. Mack loves option football but doesn’t want to get Colt hurt. Wild horn lets Mack do his option thing without risking losing Colt to injury. Option football is good for getting the ball to DJ Monroe in space. It is also a way to get Cody outside, forcing a DB to tackle him.

When Chiles runs the option to the left, he can either run it, pitch to the TB or pitch to Colt running to the right. This buys a lot of time for long pass plays. It also gives Colt a broken field to run in if he so chooses. Most likely the initial option to the left also pulled safeties up to stop the run.

Wild horn works great with hurry up offense because no personnel changes are required to run it yet it dramatically changes the offense from passing oriented to running oriented.

If the defense brings up the safeties to stop the run game, that means single coverage deep. Chiles, an ex QB, then can throw a 50-50 ball to somebody like Buckner.

Another option is to just keep Colt and Chiles both in the shotgun QB position until right before the snap. If the D brings up the safeties, hike it to Colt while Chiles goes out on a WR pattern. If the D keeps its safeties back, hike the ball to Chiles while Colt goes out on WR pattern."

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 7:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wildcat?

I thought it was Wild Hog at Arkansas. What school calls it the Wildcat? Or is that what the Dolphins call it?

Still a Blaine Irby fan

by patienthornsfan on Sep 22, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same stuff; different name.

There’s lots of conjecture about where it started. The wiki on it is decent, at least on the history part. I definitely remember it being called the wildcat when watching Ark games McFadden’s last season.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 22, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At Arkansas, most people called it the wildcat

Arkansas tried to get people to call it the wildhog, but it didn’t seem to catch on.

by Texas Wahoo on Sep 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wildhorn = Wildcat

I’m still with the group that wants to call it the Mad Cow formation.

by Garfield3d on Sep 22, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't underestimate Monroe

While Chiles has obviously benefited from getting into WR shape, we shouldn’t underestimate the impact that Monroe has in this formation. In the 2 years that the Horn’s tried the Q package, they did not have a another playmaker in the backfield with the abilities to match Chiles’. Defenses could watch Chiles all the way knowing that if the RB got the ball out of the zone read or option the defense could still recover without the risk of a huge gain. Now with Monroe in the backfield defenses will have to be more honest because Monroe can get around the corner in a blur.

by BMG on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indubitably

It is a way to get the ball to DJ in space. This is a big deal since DJ has had a hard time getting PT at WR.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kick return coverage

I hope we get this fixed. If we can’t kick it out of the endzone, we have to be able to consistently stop them from running it to midfield. Not sure what our problem is this year but we run the risk of losing games if we can’t stop them on kickoff returns.

by Ohio Horn on Sep 22, 2009 7:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I thought this was a bigger deal that was made in the article. We had coverage down there in time to limit the returns to just short yardage, but poor angles and missed tackles hurt.

by Horncasting on Sep 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

If this isn’t adjusted, expect Oklahoma to return one for a score, and at least one more past midfield at some crucial moment in the game. Good god, this needs to be fixed.

by BrooklynHorn on Sep 22, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coverage

After kick offs, Tech started on average at their 27 yardline, as I mentioned in the second-to-last sentence. I don’t have the numbers in front of me for the past, but the coverage against Tech was markedly better than games like Michigan in the Rose Bowl, Tech last year, Kansas State in 2007, the times over the last few years when covering a kick was a major problem. Yes, the coverage can be better if players can do a better job of staying in their lanes or if Tucker could get the ball into the end zone more consistently, but this is not a unit that looks close to giving up touchdown returns.

by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 22, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colt's throwing

Colt’s throwing problems are the single biggest problem with the offense. Colt needs to stop worrying about MNC and Heisman and just have fun playing catch, just let his talent flow.

Colt might want to stop weight lifting for a couple of weeks to see if that helps. Sometimes weight lifting can impact touch. He might want to throw more short passes for awhile since they are easier to throw than the longer passes and will build confidence. He might want to try some relaxation techniques so that he is less stressed.

If all else fails, he can do like I do with my natural slice shot in golf. Since I slice it no matter what, I just adjust my aim to account for the slice. Colt could try aiming lower.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 7:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m really confused about what makes something a wildcat (or variant in name only). When Chiles, a guy who has played much of his career at QB, takes a snap from under center or the shotgun, is that anything unusual? I distinctly remember watching Keyshawn Johnson take a snap from under center while Vinny Testaverde was in the slot, his arms up in an upside-down “V” like he was going to block someone. Yet no know called it a wildcat.

Really, it seems like it’s just the en vogue thing to say, even though it’s nothing new at all.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 22, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Besides Kodi Burns at Auburn, there probably isn’t another player in the country triggering the formation who is as much of a threat to pass the ball out of the Wildcat as John Chiles.

Randall Cobb, maybe?

by burntorangehorn on Sep 22, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Third and short

We lost one third and short — I think it was the 3rd and 3 that sailed over Chiles’s head — not only because Colt missed his receiver, but also because Colt chose not to run for a first down that was within his reach. He easily could have beaten the nearest defender to the marker and slid. And if Chiles moved into position to block the corner on the left, Colt would have had a lane to take the ball even further.

by mikey 4 on Sep 22, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This actually looked kinda like VY lately too. He too seems less eager to run and it means he is not as effective.

by JohnsonUT on Sep 22, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Difference in Q this year

I think one difference this year is that Chiles is on the field a lot more. He has a feel for the game and is not coming off the bench cold for a single play.

by JohnsonUT on Sep 22, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We miss Chris O.

Last year on 3rd and intermediate Chris was Colt’s go-to guy. We need Newton to be that guy in the passing game too. I think this will come with time, but its not there yet.

If the LB’s have to stay with the RB then there will be more running lanes opening up for Colt.

by Orangechipper on Sep 22, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really dislike any offense that doesnt run through Colt

Hopefully Ill be eating crow later in the year, but Colt is our best player. If we want the ball in Chiles’ hands more, then stick him at an H-back, run some reverses, or oh, I dunno, throw him the ball?

Is it better or worse for Colt’s confidence to remove him from behind Center? Colt is still the key to this offense, and this team. I dont see this Wild Horns helping him get on track, or maintain his play once he gets there.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 22, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Wish you were wrong,

but McCoy finding rhythm is the key to our offensive success this year. The Q package doesn’t help that. We need to run it with Tre until defenses start putting at least 7 in the box. If we can get back to that, teams will feel obliged to blitz more, opening up even more routes for McCoy.

by ctex80 on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

7 in the box may not happen

As long as the horns are playing 4 WRs (Ship, Kirk, Chiles, and Buckner), most teams are going to defend with 6 DBs (i.e. 1 DB per WR plus 2 safeties). That leaves 5 in the box whenever both safeties are back.

The horns are a pass first team and run after the pass has been established. If the horns started out pounding Tre at OU (for example) at the start of the game, Tre probably does not make much yardage. OU’s D line is better than UT’s O line plus OU has excellent LBs. It is that simple.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All about the run defense

ack and GD want to pump up the run game. Both guys are strong believers in the QB running the ball but realize that Colt is too important to risk getting hurt unnecessarily. Wild horn lets them get the QB into the running game without risking Colt.

The horns have ideal personnel for the wild horns formation. Colt is plenty athletic enough to play WR (i.e. a big guy who runs and catches well). Chiles is a starting WR, a big, very fast guy who runs the ball well and is an ex-QB for the horns.

In the final analysis it is a team game. Wild horns has the potential to really help the horns’ offense.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It also has the potential to hurt it

It much less measurable ways. Rhythm, confidence, and composure of Colt are as key as getting a running game established.

Its been successful at places that have mediocre qbs and exceptional running talent. Im not sure that describes Colt, Chiles, and Monroe. I just feel we could run the ball without having to take McCoy out from center, lets focus on improving that instead of wasting snaps at practice on a 2-3 play set a game.

Everyone likes to talk about the extra things it makes opposing defenses worry about, but what about the extra reps at practice that takes away from McCoy at QB? Have Hall and Chiles had enough experience together to be comfortable exchanging the ball? So far its 1/3, what if that muffed hike became a turnover? This package would then be looking a whole hell of a lot like the Q package we thankfully ditched last year.

Id rather Chiles continue to work on and improve as a WR, Colt to have time to make sure he NEVER muffs a hike, and the whole team continue practicing what they are best at so that we can return to the more efficient offense we are used to seeing.

Like I said, I hope I’m wrong. I just think everyone likes to look at the potential benefits, and doesn’t like to realize teams with a good QB don’t run any variant of this package, and for good reason.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 22, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colt is a 5th year senior

Colt is a 5th year senior and does not need as many reps as he used to need.

The main problem for the offense this year is that Colt is frequently throwing the ball high. It is a throwing mechanics problem, he can work on that with GD or Major and a receiver.

I doubt UT runs the ball that well on OU with Colt at center, at least not before the OU D line gets tired. The UT O line is not going block the OU D line on a consistent basis.

Running the ball is easier if your QB is a major running threat. Colt runs fine but who wants to risk injuring the Heisman quality passer running the ball? The wild horn is just a way to improve the efficiency of the running game by using a QB in the running game while still protecting the health of the star QB.

I doubt seriously that Chiles is going to have a recurrent problem catching the snap. He is a WR, after all. Hall made a bad snap that even Colt might have bobbled.

Wild horn will probably end up being used for more 2 or 3 snaps/game.

The wild horn may not take that much practice time. Colt gets his role as WR. Chiles was a QB for 2 years so he knows the plays already. Mack says the kids enjoy practicing the wild horn.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More is always better

The more formations you throw out against a defense the more those teams have to prepare for those formations. You only have so much time each week to get ready for a game. I suspect that is why Mack ran a fake field goal earlier in the year. Now teams have to spend time preparing for that play and any variation of the play.

by TXHorns on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That only works if you can do well in each formation

if you practice so many formations that you don’t have enough practice time to execute well out of any of them, the defense wont care. Colorado is a prime example of this.

by Wells on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and so far it's been successful

Also, one of my greatest fears last season was that there we no pressure valves to take heat off Colt. What if Colt has an off night like on this Saturday?

We can now switch to a package intermittently that uses Colt as a component of the offense, rather than the key-stone, that still leverages a lot of our team’s talent.

I think Davis really does take into account the number of reps for each player, and I don’t think he adopted the new package lightly. It’s probably the reason he only tries to adopt 1 new package / year.

by notsofst on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to keep coming back to be a negative voice on this.

But if Colt has an off night I feel its better for him and the team to work through it. Do you really think this team is better without Colt, even an offnight Colt, not taking snaps? Would you have benched him against TTU last year, and do you think the outcome would have been as close?

Is Colt really a threat at the WR to still be considered a component of the offense? I didnt even see him run any routes, just barely hold a CB there. Is Chiles somehow a better passer now that he hasnt worked on being a QB for a full off season? Does that make sense to anyone?

So far its been successful, that much is true, though it was also borderline disastrous if Chiles dropped the hike. I just feel like Ive seen this before, and have no reason to expect this to be any better than the Q.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 22, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's already been about a million times more productive than the Q

And it’s disasterous for anyone to drop a hike.

Colt may not be a recieving threat, but they still have to have a man to cover him. If not, Chiles can toss it to Colt quickly for an easy 5 yards, because the guy has a running game.

We’ll see over time if it remains productive, since it came out as a surprise on Saturday. But that formation is being played at the NFL level, and our offense does need a little something extra.

As long as it keeps working, lets ride it.

by notsofst on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it really has any bearing on the effectiveness in the College game

Or for Texas even more specifically, but its being run in the NFL by a team has two pro-bowl RBs on the roster, and a QB who got dumped for an unretired Brett Favre.

Its most successful college implementation was when they had two monster RBs, where the backup may have even been better than the starter, and a Dick at QB.

Does its success in Miami or Arkansas make it right for Texas?

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it just means that it's not some formation that Davis dreamed up

It’s a viable offensive formation that people are playing with right now.

by notsofst on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't leave Colt alone at WR

Colt was an outstanding multi sport athlete in HS (including basketball). He will have no trouble at all catching a pass if they leave him alone.

Without your negative voice, there would not be much of a discussion. Also, you are raising good points. I think the positives of the wild horn out weigh the valid negative points that you are raising but only time will tell.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All about run offense

Mack and GD want to pump up the run game. Both guys are strong believers in the QB running the ball but realize that Colt is too important to risk getting hurt unnecessarily. Wild horn lets them get the QB into the running game without risking Colt.

The horns have ideal personnel for the wild horns formation. Colt is plenty athletic enough to play WR (i.e. a big guy who runs and catches well). Chiles is a starting WR, a big, very fast guy who runs the ball well and is an ex-QB for the horns.

In the final analysis it is a team game. Wild horns has the potential to really help the horns’ offense.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

question

Why didn’t you break down the 2nd half/3rd down conversions?

by echeese on Sep 22, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

I haven’t had time yet to watch the second half as closely, so I might comment about them later in the week. Unless everyone wants me to hit the UTEP coverage hard.

by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind

didn’t realize they were covered in a different write up

by echeese on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anatomy

Yeah, there were three conversions in that drive to start the second half.

by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cornerback

Is it just me… Or do you guys see our two corners as the weakest part of our D? Those guys are still getting burned deep and can’t tackle. Look lost.

by Dawnpatrol on Sep 22, 2009 9:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

weakest is a relative term

Compared to the defensive ends, surprisingly solid tackles, the playmaking linebackers and a solid group of safeties? Maybe they are the weakest. Are there three corners on any other team I’d trade them for? No.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I guess I’m just not seeing any improvement from last year with the Browns. I’m ready for them to graduate.

by Dawnpatrol on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yin and yang

Our cornerbacks “look bad” because Texas is playing press, man-to-man coverage. Occasionally they will get burned or be a few steps behind on a pass. However, other than Chykie Brown’s gaffe against ULM, Texas hasn’t given up many passes longer than 20 yards.

Curtis Brown is vastly improved over last year and in general opposing quarterbacks have not gone his way with the ball.

Chykie on the other hand, has his head in another universe. He is a vast waste of talent at the moment. He gave up two touchdown passes to Tech by playing poor technique and guessing the route. To Mack Brown’s credit, he’s now been benched in favor of Aaron Williams, and Earl Thomas will take the slot and Nolan Brewster will start at safety when Texas has its nickel or dime package on the field

by burnt in ny on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Texas is playing press, man-to-man coverage."

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what they WEREN’T doing in the 2nd half of Saturday’s game. They played a pretty soft zone which allowed Potts to pick them apart fairly regularly (combined with the lack of rushing in the 2nd half, this gave Potts plenty of time to make his reads). There was a lot of zone in the first half as well.

by TXinDC on Sep 22, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meme's about the coaches I have bought into over the years

Duane Akina doesn’t teach zone coverage with half the ability he teaches man

Greg Davis is at fault for the schizophrenic blocking scheme rather than the O-line coaches

Madden occasionally bulks up players at the expense of speed/quickness (see Chiles, John)

Will Muschamp consumes Sooners with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Sep 22, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really got frustrated about that. With nice, big, physical corners out there, it would seem a no-brainer to disrupt the Tech passing game with some press. Furthermore, you’d think it would really go a long way toward discouraging the picks Tech kept using without penalty.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen Aaron Williams play?

Best corner we’ve had since….Cedric Griffin? And he’s only a sophomore.

by billyzane on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably further back than that.

Griffin wasn’t nearly so consistent at this age. Aaron Williams is one of the truly special guys at that position.

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by HornChamps on Sep 22, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right.

AW is a borderline lockdown corner, a great run stopper, can play the nickel, hits like a safety, causes fumbles, has good hands. Plus he’s pretty tall for a corner, at 6’1". What else could you ask for?

by billyzane on Sep 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should be cautious

About labeling somebody as the future’s next best corner. We did that to Deon Beasley, and while he wasn’t as bad as some fans made him out to be last year, he was one of our weaker corners. We did that to Chykie for this year, and he has been fairly disappointing thus far. I’ll keep my mouth shut about Aaron Williams.

by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Williams is so good that he's jinx-proof!

I had this same sentiment last year when everyone was calling him the next big thing because he hadn’t actually proved anything yet. And maybe he still hasn’t, but through three games, he’s our best CB and in the running for our best defensive player.

by billyzane on Sep 22, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing more.

I love Aaron Williams like I’ve loved few football players in my life. He could have had an interception by now, but he makes about every play you could ask for. I was surprised when he didn’t make the tackle fighting through a blocker on a screen by Tech early in the game that picked up 20+ yards. Turns out the only reason he didn’t make the play was because he was being held.

by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know....

but I really like what I am seeing from E Acho! He was slapping the ball loose like good ol’ Derrick Johnson.

by CJHornfan on Sep 22, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bristling With Optimism on Offense

The Horns are on the cusp of making last year’s offense look like a “pea shooter” vs. this year’s blitzkrieg. The problems this year are attributable to the following:

1. Losing Brandon Collins takes a second security blanket away from Colt.
2. The big weapons just came out of nowhere this year. Colt needs to get adjusted to these new targets. Just think what we thought we would get out of Chiles at WR, Tre at RB, and Buckner at the Flex. Squat. Now they are integral pieces to developing an explosive offense.

Going forward I see the following:
1. Colt will work his tail off and become Colt. No question.
2. I have not written off Malcolm Williams making an impact – scary.
3. The roles and comfort with Chiles, Monroe, and Buckner go to a new level.
4. GD – while playing a little catch up is showing that he may be able to add a little innovation into his game plan.

I am telling you – this offense has only scratched the surface and will match the defense to become just a scary unit. Book it!

by realmccoy on Sep 22, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of what I see too

Lots of upward potential, but it’s going to be close whether or not that potential arrives in time to save us.

I disagree on Mal Williams, I don’t think he’s as reliable as the other guys we have on the field. We lost OB and Quan, but gained Kirk, Chiles, Buckner, Tre, and Monroe at the same time. We’re in a better position, but we have to put the pieces to the puzzle together.

Luckily, Colt performs well under pressure, and the times he HAS performed this year were in situations where he had to. If that trend continues, we may not be in as much trouble on offense as some imagine, since Colt may play his best games in his biggest games. Flu notwithstanding.

If everything we have on offense clicks at once, we’ll be unstoppable… but it hasn’t all clicked at once yet.

by notsofst on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buckner is the most pleasant surprise so far

Coming in to shore up our big weak point at TE has helped us quite a bit. Seeing him catch multiple balls and gain Colt’s trust only makes me wonder how much better we could have been with Irby last year.

Malcolm Williams is loads of talent, but other than his special teams play, he’s disappointed. Hopefully, he can wake up and give us that big deep threat to complement Shipley.

by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you look down the line at our offensive options, there's really no dissapointments

As long as the ball gets there on target, and the reciever catches it, then they’ll make a play.

Buckner, Chiles, Kirk, and Shipley? Who do you NOT want to have the ball for YAC?

We’re just having trouble with that whole… throwing and catching thing. :)

hopefully it works itself out over time.

by notsofst on Sep 22, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so too

Even without Collins, this has the potential to be among the more impressive receiving corps. in Mack’s tenure. Wait, did I just sound like Bob Stoops? Well, the difference is that I actually meant it.

by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 22, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Right on! Just to add that Malcolm Williams may be the key to putting this offense over the top. The guy is a beast I mean he looks like a freakin tight end on the field. If he starts playing up to potential then this offense is going to smoking hot. Add in this wild horn formation and it will give defensive coordinators nightmares.

by TXHorns on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The word from the coaches and practice reports was that Williams needs to work on his catching – and that became painfully obvious on Saturday night. Hopefully it clicks for him soon.

by TXinDC on Sep 22, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Every time he touches it in the running game in the past, he has made plays usually.

So in other words, 60% of the time…

by BigTexBD on Sep 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Madden-ism

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Sep 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

90% of the game is half-mental.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terminology

What the heck is a “wild horn”? Maybe some sort of maverick steer wandering around the prairie? Can anyone tell the difference between a wild horn and tame one?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Sep 22, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mavericks

We’re talking some real wild steers here, the kind that kill horses as you try to rustle them out of that southeast Texas brush country. These steers are just plain mean and ornery, they’d just as soon gore you as have a brand put on ’em.

by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if there is no motion, how is it "Wildhorn"?

The Wildcat is a single-wing motion series. If there is no motion in this series as texas runs it, how is it the Wildhorn? Y’all have Chiles at QB and split McCoy out at WR; this seems to be the same as the Q package last season. Y’all have DJ Monroe next to Chiles at TB in this formation, correct? This isn’t the wildcat as Miami or Arkansas ran it. Unless you have a TE on the line and a wingback aligned 1X1 off him, this isn’t even single wing.

Miami runs the wildcat with Ronnie Brown as the only back in the backfield. There is a motion back who comes across the formation to present the sweep threat, and the TB taking the snap is the off-tackle threat. Arkansas ran the wildcat (called WildHog in its second year, after David Lee became offensive coordinator, replacing Gus Malzahn) with McFadden alone in the backfield and Felxi Jones being the motion man. Arkansas also had a TE and a wingback in the formation, so there was actually seven men on the LOS, which allowed the trips receivers and Jones to align off the LOS. Arkansas is running pure single-wing in this series. Miami also uses one back, a motion man, and a wingback (see here). Both of these teams are running a pure single wing motion series.

Now, from your description, you have a TB aligned in the backfield with a QB (Chiles), and McCoy aligned out at WR. There is no motion man (as you pointed out in your desire for Monroe in jet motion), and I haven’t heard a mention of a wingback. So, this isn’t single-wing, this isn’t a single-wing motion series, and this isn’t what Arkansas or Miami have been running.

Does anyone have a screenshot of this ‘Wildhorn’ formation, or better yet, video of the plays from this formation in the Tech game?

by Beergut on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right

The wildcat fad got started when Arkansas (and later the dolphins with the same OC) started running the single wing. Since then it has been adopted by too many teams to count, and many variants are out there. I don’t know how many actually run the single wing, but the wildcat is now basically just putting an athlete in the shotgun and (sometimes) splitting the QB out wide, so it can be, but isn’t always, actually a single wing formation. What Texas ran on saturday wasn’t the single wing, but for all intents and purposes we can call it a wildcat because of Colt being split out. I was just glad to see that we ran a play that actually utilized him.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the video from the TV station
This one is probably the best look at the formation and play.

Really looks more like Chiles at QB running the zone read with Colt split out wide….

by NeTexHorn on Sep 22, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Similarity to normal formation not an accident

The wild horn looks like the normal UT formation for a reason. The first time the horns ran it, the D did not even notice the difference and kept their safeties back. That is pretty sweet.

It is real similar to the Q package except that:

  • Chiles is better (faster, better runner, playing regularly as a WR)
  • Can be transitioned into without substitution since Chiles is already in the game at WR so easier to slip it by D
  • More important because of hurry up (i.e. the hurry up principle of being able to switch between run oriented offense and pass oriented offense with the same personnel).

Sounds like it makes sense that wild horn has a different name than wildcat.

by Kafka on Sep 22, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry, DJ Monroe will start being the motion back.

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct.

It isn’t of the single-wing motion series. Instead, as Mack Brown described it and with the exception of the reverse throw by Colt, it’s the Longhorns running their normal offense with Chiles at quarterback.

I would like for the Longhorns to run the same plays as Miami or Arkansas, but I’m not sure if I see that happening. Instead, it will probably remain Chiles running plays already in the playbook for ease of installation and some trick plays with McCoy catching a pass or more reverse throws or throwbacks to Colt.

Does that mean that it shouldn’t be named the WildHorn because it’s not actually that close to what Miami is running or Arkansas ran? I don’t know. If you happen to think it shouldn’t be called the WildHorn because of the lack of real resemblance, then I guess that’s another argument for calling it to the Mad Cow.

by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 22, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monday's with Coach Brown

anybody watch this weeks enstallment? Towards the end, Mack sounded & looked pissed! This is the first time I’ve seen him like this. Time to get fired up!

by ez-E on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WildHorn, huh?

I kind of like MadCow formation :)

by BurnOut78 on Sep 22, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah!

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Sep 22, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

could the Wild Horn be useful? yes.
Is it a good idea to decide it is a success after one or two nice plays? no.

by acho81 on Sep 22, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly...

…when did the q package ever produce 2 “nice plays”?

by vy til i die on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There have now been 2 near fumbles on the Q... I mean wild horn.

Which made it at one point 40% of the plays from the formations were near turnovers. Is the benefit really that great to offset that?

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 28, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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