Leach on Kindle's Hit: "Really obvious helmet-to-helmet"
I prefer Muschamp's Take:
"I liken it to holding. If they call it, it's holding. If they don't call it, it's not. They didn't call it." So there was nothing wrong with Kindle's hit? "Nothing. Great hit," Muschamp said.
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Much as all the camera angles
and slowdowns and iso’s enhance our viewing enjoyment and knowledge of the game, they have a huge downside — that being that EVERY close call, viewed fast enough or slow enough from just the right angle (straight-on, side view, left, right, down, up) will give viewers enough evidence to be convinced the call was right or wrong (depending on angle, or rooting interest).
And, all the video keeps issues alive long past their shelf life.
My view: It was head to head.
It certainly wasn’t intentional. Reality is the players are about the same height, those headgears are LARGE, the speed Kindle had assured a whiplash kind of contact. No way the official can make the “right” call; about all he could do was rule that it wasn’t head-to-head contact initially, that there was a nanosecond of contact that wasn’t helmet to helmet. Good that Potts — courageous and effective all night — wasn’t hurt.
Only answer is to shuck all the gear and go to flag football.
by edsp on Sep 22, 2009 1:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Imo
If he was leading with the crown of his helmet, as the rule is in place to avoid, Potts would have a broken jaw.
It was close, but it was a form tackle that involved the helmets hitting each other. It wasn’t a spear, and it wasn’t intentional. Would Tech fans be happier if Sergio dove and burst his spleen? I dunno, maybe, but Im pretty sure theres no way for him to take that wide open hit without ruffling someones feathers.
Could have easily been called though, and I wouldn’t have been that torn up about it, refs many times side with safety. Colt flopping out of bounds knows that more than anyone.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 22, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Big Picture
Sergio payed textbook technique football. You are trained as a kid to lead with your head up and hit with your facemask so as not to break your own neck for one and to abide by the rules. Sergio’s hit did not hit Potts in the helmet first. His face mask hit below and the whiplash brought Potts’ helmet to his. The speed and acceleration of momentum carried it through to the helmet coming off.
Now the big picture. I reviewed the entire game and counted 5-6 open field holds on Tech line and receivers. The TD that appeared to burn Earl was brought by an illegal pic on AJ. That was intentional and by design. You can see in the replay the receiver was looking for contact on AJ and not trying to get open. Watch Tech get flagged on this one as the season wears on.
by orangetower on Sep 22, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TTech System Built on The Pick
After watching Leach’s system for a decade or so, it seems to me that The Pick is a staple part of the offense. I sure would like to hear a Football Guru explain the nuances and details to me. Maybe there is a big difference between a ‘pick play’ and a ‘crossing route’ but maybe it is just a fine line. I don’t know. But, it seems to me that I see The Pick all the time when TTech is on offense. I would estimate at least 30 of TTech’s pass attempts last week could be “investigated” for illegal pickitudousness. In looking at the film, I saw 6 or 8 instances of a TTech receiver interfering with the coverage on another receiver.
On the Holding front, The Hold seems to also be a staple of the TTech offense. I just don’t understand how 6 Longhorns can get blocked by 5 TTechsters on SO MANY PLAYS without a holding call or two or three. You would think every TTech offensive lineman was destined for a stellar pro career. How could they be so dang good?
by LSMFT on Sep 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been mystified for years about how they get away with it. It’s been like watching the Denver Broncos’ illegal cut-blocking scheme under Shanahan and Gibbs: everyone knows they do it, but for some reason the refs never, ever call it.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 24, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Leach's style to whine about the refs after every loss
Somehow, Tech fans are under this delusion that Mack is the one who does that.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 22, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Leach is a prick. Yeah, I said it. So what.
Enough already about the “ifs and buts” whining. We won. Deal with it pirates.
Another fine quote below. Kinda like that tough steak chew you look to spit out in the napkin before you leave the table.
“We played with a few defensive ends tied behind our back,” Leach said. “We wanted to give them a sporting chance, and maybe we overdid it.”
And no, it was not a helmet-to-helmet infraction. It was a bleeping wet dream.
by TXStampede on Sep 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Helmet to chest
For anyonee who is taught to tackle at any level, you try to put your hat on the ball, (as to cause a fumble). Bonus that White Goodman held the ball near his mid chest.
If you hit anyone, especially a quarter back, you let them know what to expect the next you meet again.
I also noticed earlier in the game that Potts wears his helmet very loose. When slipped on his helmet with ease. Helmet should be a little snug. When Kindle layed the wood his helmet slid up Potts face mask and it went flying. Made it look much worse or bad ass in my perspective.
In my day we did'nt have no fancy skies. You waited for an avalanche then you dug out the frozen bodies, strapped them to your feet and went flying down the hill yelling "Look at me I'm riding dead people!"
~Grouchy Old Man
by Ese-De-SA on Sep 22, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Kidding
When Kindle layed the wood his helmet slid up Potts face mask and it went flying. Made it look much worse or bad ass in my perspective
Here it is one more time for your viewing pleasure.
by orangetower on Sep 22, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Potts is better that you and he knows it...
http://m4khartford.org/wp-content/m4k_photos/fullsize/white%20goodman.JPG
In my day we did'nt have no fancy skies. You waited for an avalanche then you dug out the frozen bodies, strapped them to your feet and went flying down the hill yelling "Look at me I'm riding dead people!"
~Grouchy Old Man
by Ese-De-SA on Sep 22, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was within the rules
Someone please tell me which rule that hit violates. Heres a link to the 2009 rulebook
Section 9-1-3a says “No player shall initiate constact and target an opponent with the crown of his helmet.” Its obvious it was his facemask, not his crown.
Section 9-1-3b says “No player shall initiate contact and target a defenseless opponent above the shoulder.” The term defenseless is defined elsewhere, but a QB looking downfield is not an example of a defenseless player. A QB in the act of throwing is classified as a defenseless player.
The rulebook also emphasizes that intentional helmet-to-helmet contact is never legal, which opens up the possibility that helmet-to-helmet contact can be legal, especially when the crown isn’t used or when the player isn’t defenseless. From this interpretation, there is nothing wrong with that hit.
by mastiff0 on Sep 25, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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