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Highlights this week include: an update on the Narrative now that USC has lost; a few digressions therein; I take issue with a Tim Griffin "blog" post at ESPN; and I respectfully disagree with Orson Swindle/Spencer Hall on a point related thereto. Plus, the Undulating Curve of Media Hype and more. Click on through to keep reading!
Because so much happened this past weekend, I wanted to start out this week by updating the narrative that I laid out in last week's column. First of all, USC lost to an unranked Pac-10 opponent on the road. Again. (Hey, at least it wasn't to a 41-point underdog at home with its backup QB! Progress!) Jake Locker is a god (a slight exaggeration) and we finally saw why Aaron Corp got beat out for the starting QB job by a true freshman. Kudos to the Washington defensive coaches for making serious adjustments to the D-line (and continually subbing in fresh bodies with the zeal of Spurrier jerking around his QBs) after USC shredded UW with the running game early, thereby forcing the game into the hands of Aaron Corp. Solid defensive gameplan that USC never managed to work around because the Trojan coaches didn't trust Corp.
Now, to those of us that have been paying attention, this is nothing new. As Matt Hinton points out in that article, four years in a row USC has been ranked in the top 3 and lost a game to an unranked Pac-10 opponent. It's happened every year since USC lost the national championship game to Texas. Of course, in that same time span, USC has won every "big game" it's played (save for maybe at Oregon in 2007). USC literally has a better record against ranked teams over the last 4 years than unranked teams. And that's a tough dichotomy to work out of when you're thinking about how to treat that team in your head. The way the media has treated it has been to think of it under the following paradigm: (1) USC is obviously a great team or they wouldn't be able to beat all the ranked teams that they play, (2) therefore, when they lose, the story is about these unranked teams rising up and playing the games of their lives to topple the big, bad Trojans. It's a Hoosiers-esque "triumph of the underdog" story and it's one that has great emotional resonance.
And that's fine. These teams need to be recognized for their incredible efforts. But the problem with this paradigm is that it ignores the fact that USC is crapping the bed in these games. More than that, it ignores the fact that for 4 straight years, USC has crapped the bed at least once every season (and twice in 2006). But finally, after this loss to Washington, the media is making more than a cursory mention of this trend in its discussion of USC. In fact, sportswriters seem to be talking about USC's terrible play more than Washington's pluckiness (and they're not really even blaming that poor play on the absence of Matt Barkley). For his part, Pete Carroll is trying to get people talking about how good Washington is to deflect some of the blame (sorry coach, I love Jake Locker, but he is not the best QB you've ever faced), but it doesn't seem to be working. Here are some examples:
Welcome back to the center of the shame stage, USC. The Trojans ought to be familiar enough with the routine by now; I know I am, considering we went through the same reaction twice in 2006, again in 2007 and again last year. It's the Trojans' fifth loss as a double-digit favorite in four years, all of them utter jaw-droppers. The home collapse against Stanford two years ago -- when the Cardinal were also breaking in a brand new, young coach after a catastrophe of a season in 2006 -- was the greatest upset of all time; the Huskies were only half the underdog today (+19) that Stanford was then (+38), but that speaks far more to where the Trojans are now than the Huskies. And where that is, clearly, is in a near-constant state of vulnerability for a team that probably still deserves to be favored every time it walks on the field. --Matt Hinton (Dr. Saturday/Yahoo Sports)
As for Carroll himself, it proved to be another dreadful showing against an unranked Pac-10 opponent, and we've become very familiar with this act. Seen it so much I'm not sure anyone is that surprised any longer when something like this happens, even if it was a defeat to a team that just snapped a 15-game losing streak a week earlier.... [T]o me the question is whether the USC coaches are comfortable opening up their vertical attack with their inexperienced QBs. They really didn't seem that open with Matt Barkley, and it was even less so with Corp. And keep in mind, this clunker came against a Washington secondary that surrendered almost 350 passing yards last week to Idaho. Instead, USC managed only 110 passing yards, the fewest in the Carroll era. --Bruce Feldman (ESPN)
Since the start of the 2006 season, the Trojans' record against ranked opponents is 14-1 (.933 winning percentage). Their record against unranked opponents is 22-5 (.815 winning percentage). That's completely backward and points to chronic motivational problems when the opponent isn't a glam team. --Pat Forde (ESPN)
Carroll blamed himself after the game. Good. He was right. His fingerprints were all over a ridiculously conservative offensive game plan, a plan that caused his team to play tight when the Trojans found the Huskies surprisingly unyielding. --Ted Miller (ESPN)
The long-suffering Huskies deserve their upset for the ages. But the real story this week is about who they beat. It happened again. If you're not familiar with the redundancy, then dial up Jim Harbaugh or Mike Riley or what's his name who used to be at UCLA. Those three guys have all upset USC since 2006 -- Riley did it twice. When fans flooded the Huskies Stadium turf, Washington shocked themselves more than veteran USC observers. -- Dennis Dodd (CBS)
Don't blame this on the fact that USC was playing without starting quarterback Matt Barkley, because it still out-gained Washington. Don't blame this on a defense that was missing star Taylor Mays, because it still held Washington to barely 200 yards before its final drive.... Just two weeks ago, Washington had the nation's worst losing streak. Today, that title belongs to the man who has at least one national-title costing egg laid per season in each of the last four years, from UCLA to Stanford to Oregon State to this.
--Bill Plaschke (LA Times)
As you can see, the story about USC this year isn't about Washington pulling the miracle upset. It's rightly about USC crapping the bed yet again. And that's a change. One that will likely stay with the Trojans the rest of this year and, hopefully, into next year should they crap the bed again. Beyond that, as pointed out by Matt Hinton, USC frankly just might not be as good this year as they have been in the past. Their chances of playing in the national championship game have virtually evaporated. As usual, insane worrying about USC proves misguided and useless.
So where does that leave us with the narrative as it relates to the national championship game? Well, assuming Texas goes undefeated (which is a big "if" the way the offense is currently going), only one of Florida, Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss can go undefeated. If we assume that whichever one does (if any) will be ranked #1 (a safe assumption for UF and Bama, but not for LSU and Ole Miss), then the only teams Texas has any reason to be looking over their shoulder at are Cal, Penn State, and Miami.
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As I said last week, the 2004 season is a lesson in narrative that translates to this season so far. In 2004, USC and OU were ranked #1 and #2 all season and undefeated Auburn could not get past #3 despite also going undefeated. That narrative bodes well for Texas and Florida this season if they go undefeated. But as you'll no doubt recall, the reason Auburn could not break into the top 2 was that USC and OU did absolutely nothing to warrant being dropped, especially towards the end of the year. While USC was more or less guaranteed a spot by virtue of being #1 (and because they had been viewed as screwed the year before for being left out of the championship game--yet another positive narrative point for Texas), OU was ranked #2 and had been embarrassed the last two games of the previous season (losing the Big 12 championship game to Kansas State and the national championship game to LSU) and seemed ripe for being dropped in favor of Auburn. But OU dominated its late-season games and voters couldn't justify blowing up their whole (terrible, inertia-based) system of ranking teams unless they felt OU deserved it.
This matters to Texas and Florida right now because neither is playing particularly well. The 2004-style narrative only holds if the top 2 teams do nothing to deserve being dropped. Cal, Penn State, and Miami are not going to pass an undefeated Texas that is playing well. But if Texas is just barely winning all of its games, then maybe voters will feel justified as doing so. This would be exacerbated if Texas were barely winning its games in defensive struggles rather than offensive shootouts. Why? Because that contradicts the narrative of the Big 12 as an offensive league. The main feature of Texas' national perception is its offense. If Texas isn't scoring points like they were last year, then something's broken with the offense and that's a bigger problem than our good defense is a solution. The opposite is true of the SEC. See, for example, this "blog" post by Chris Low at ESPN lamenting the lack of defense in the SEC this year rather than noting that Gus Malzhan and Bobby Petrino are prowling the sidelines and the league frankly just has better offenses this year. Being good at something other than what people thought you would be good at is going to make them think that something's wrong, not that something's right.
So we're at a point where we just have to wait and see how this Texas team plays the rest of the season. If the Horns play well offensively, blowing out teams that it should by reasonable margins, then I don't think we have to worry about being overtaken by anyone. If the Horns play poorly, especially on offense, but still win out, I think we may have some competition from a team like Cal for a spot in the national championship game. It's early though. Much too early to be seriously worried about these "what-ifs."
Now, to break up this mass of text, I'm putting the Undulating Curve of Media Hype in the middle of the post this week. Don't like change? Deal with it!
Moving along to one other thing I wanted to get to this week, Adam Rittenberg, the Big 10 "blogger" over at ESPN raised a legitimate argument that Oklahoma and Ohio State have the same modus operandi when it comes to how they've fared the past four to five seasons, and yet their national perceptions have been vastly different. Essentially, his argument is: OSU and OU both win their conference most years, they both go to BCS games and lose them, they both struggle in big games, etc, but OSU is a national punching bag when it comes to big games and OU more or less gets a pass. He thinks this is unfair.
I agree with him, as I suspect most of you do. But before I get to that, I want to take to task Tim Griffin, ESPN's Big 12 "blogger" for his response. What was his response? Nothing. Here's a direct quote: "I'm not going to takes sides in his argument, other than to say he makes some interesting points." Um, thanks? What are you here for again? Now, there are several fundamental problems with ESPN's system of college football blogs. First and foremost is that they hired newspaper guys to run the blogs. Tim seems like a good reporter who's miscast as a blogger. He's essentially writing newspaper sidebars and disguising them as "blog" posts. But in this particular instance, my problem with his reaction is that he could have had a debate about the merits of Rittenberg's argument or done something else with it that would have been actually interesting to read, but he didn't. He linked to it and said nothing.
My guess as to why he did this isn't that he doesn't have an opinion on the matter, but rather that he agrees with Rittenberg, but he writes a blog ostensibly for and representative of all the Big 12 schools and he didn't want to offend OU fans and drive them away. This is absurd. First of all, people like Richard Justice have proven that all you have to do is offend your fanbase in order to dramatically increase your site traffic. And, more importantly, you should write about things that are interesting! That's what Rittenberg did and his post has been linked all over the internet where people are debating the merits of his argument and the reasons it may or may not be true. And you're response is to say "Interesting, but no comment"? Come on, Tim. Give me something I might care about here!
Now, moving along to one of those websites that linked to Rittenberg's post and analyzed it, Orson/Spencer over at EDSBS put forth some analysis (illustrated by a 1994-style Paint program and a serial killer analogy) saying that Ohio State's relative proximity to the media and population center of the east coast (compared to OU) renders the greater intensity of the criticism it receives for its big game losses. In short, more eyes are on OSU, so their failures are magnified nationally. Now, you should go read the article because, as always, it's hilarious (imagery of OU's ass vindaloo might very well ruin my favorite Indian dishes (lamb vindaloo, not ass vindaloo, sickos)) and Orson/Spencer is one of the smartest people on the whole internet. But here, I think he's flat-out wrong.
Rittenberg's premise is that OU's and OSU's failure in BCS and other big games has been near-identical while their success in smaller games has been nearly identical as well. Therefore, his argument is that the teams should be treated similarly. Orson is saying "maybe they should be, but the reason they aren't now and won't be in the future is that, geographically, more people live and more media operate closer to OSU than OU."
The problem with this argument is that because of the prominence of both OU and OSU, all of the big games that these guys play in are televised nationally. Obviously, all BCS games are televised nationally without any other games up against them, and all of both teams' big games are televised nationally (last year, OU's games against Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Missouri and Florida were all televised nationally, not regionally). In terms of big games, it doesn't matter whatsoever how far away one school is from population and media centers because anyone with a television can watch all of these teams' big games (and they don't even need cable to do so!). And these aren't games starting at weird times either. All the night games start at 8pm eastern and the day games no earlier than noon eastern.
Now, the only games that these teams play that aren't televised nationally are the lesser games, which are usually televised regionally (and can usually be seen on ESPN gameplan or on a local Fox affiliate). These are the games in which parochialism matters, but Rittenberg in effect said that OSU and OU play similarly in the little games as well (i.e. they win). But if the little games are the ones in which east coasters see Ohio State play and don't see Oklahoma play, then a greater percentage of people's perceptions about OU would be formed via their big game performance than OSU, and consequently, OSU would have a better perception nationally than OU.
Now, even though television sort of negates his argument of "eyeballs, eyeballs, eyeballs" (i.e. "There are more eyeballs toward the coasts, and thus more people to see your failures, document them, and mock you for them when they happen"), I understand that Orson is talking about more than just how many people SEE the games. Though he doesn't really mention it, surely he means that there are more people who CARE about what happens to OSU than OU simply because there are more people geographically closer to OSU. The problem with this argument is that it wildly overstates its case. Orson seems to have forgotten that three of the top 8 most populous cities in the US are in Texas (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio) and another two (Austin and Ft. Worth) are in the top 17. Now, I live on the Eastern seaboard and I can certainly tell you that this area is far denser than Texas and the rest of Big 12 country, no matter what the size of the cities. But I can also tell you that, north of Philadelphia (which is about even latitudinally with Columbus, Ohio), no one gives two shits about college football except for (1) small pockets of upstate New York (Syracuse) and Boston (BC), and (2) people who moved here from elsewhere (i.e., me).
Density of people in the aggregate doesn't matter. Density of college football fans is what matters. And that is much, much higher in Texas and surrounding areas than it is on the east coast. Same principle goes for media. The local news in New York City carries zero highlights of college football unless it's a championship game (too busy talking about how much the Mets suck). The local media in Texas, however, where millions of college football fans actually live, cover nothing but college football. The argument just doesn't work. And I suspect Orson will laugh at me for over-analyzing something he created in 5 minutes with a Paint program and a "Gainesville's best meth"-fueled flicker of infallible imagination. But it is what it is. You are a pundit, sir!
So if it's not Orson's explanation, then what is it? Why don't you guys have at it in the comments? Please don't say "Because the media is in love with OU." If you legitimately think that, then explain why and then we can have a discussion. But is it something with the media itself or something different about what OU and OSU are doing? Thoughts?
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The OSU-OU paradox and the unfulfilled dreams of the Big 10
I moved to Big 10 country (Chicago) about a month ago. I have been subjected to Illinois football games and the unspeakable horrors of Ron Zook. I watched Iowa’s dominating win over Northern Iowa. I became aware of Northwestern’s crushing defeat of Townson (whose 11 time national champion dance team is its most fearsome athletic program). I have an idea, it’s painfully ironic, and it has more to do with relative perception than eyeballs.
As a stereotype, Big 10 football has a certain appeal, three yards and a cloud of dust, heady defense and running schemes that can turn Shonn Green into one of the best backs in college football (and have NFL wunderkinds thinking Robert Gallery would be a great one). Most teams take pride in playing styles of football that are not exactly scoreboard friendly, as opposed to the SEC’s inept quarterback/unintentionally stagnant scheme approach. I think from a perspective of mass appeal and “eyeballs”, there is an argument. But on a more OU/tOSU specific level, I think the the problem is much more specific.
Texas is the reason OU has not become a punchline. Michigan is the reason tOSU has become a punchline.
For a very long time, Michigan was the other power in the conference. Ohio State’s wins over Michigan meant something, in fact, those wins were enough to vault tOSU into national title games, repeatedly. National titles which SEC teams proceeded to win handily. Meanwhile, Michigan football fell into a dark place where they knew what it was to lose to Appalachia State and Toledo, be throttled by Oregon, and lose out on bowl eligibility all together.
Texas and OU have had a similarly symbotic relationship. The winner of the RRS is almost immediately anointed a national title contender, even when the other team is somewhat down (05 OU and 07 UT). The difference is that neither team has fallen as far as Michigan this decade. The cachet of winning the RRS catapults a team into national media consciousness as a contender, and unlike the Big 10 grudge match the rug has not been pulled out from underneath either team. For tOSU, when Michigan began to crash, everything changed.
tOSU still plays quality teams. Ask Spurrier how solid Iowa football can be. Penn State is usually usually a good, but rarely a great team. But in light of Michigan’s rapid decline, tOSU’s schedule has been lacking a keystone win to keep them standing when they’re handed the occasional beating. USC could have been that win, either of the last two years, but the sweatervest didn’t pull that off. The perception, at least in the short attention of mass media and those who aren’t CFB diehards, is that OSU has no signature win in its 10 game season and therefore wears no clothes.
OU lost to Boise, but they beat UT (which importantly won its bowl game), so they still had a solid win to their credit in the eyes of pundits. tOSU was crushed by Florida, and Michigan didn’t fair much better against USC. Michigan started falling and took tOSU with them. OU has been falling on their face for most of a decade, and UT kept propping them up.
proud to swim home
Excellent point re Texas-OU vs. Michigan-OSU
To elaborate a bit:
By the time OU lost in 2004 in the championship game for the second consecutive year, the Sooners had not only defeated their biggest rival five consecutive years, they had done so very convincingly — double digits each year — and the Horns were national players (more or less) throughout that five year stretch. So the Sooners had that streak to fall back on to help salvage their big-game reputation.
By contrast, although OSU could point to having won five of the six games against Michigan at the time of the 2006 championship game defeat, that stretch was not enough to help their reputation since (1) their victories were nowhere near as convincing as OU’s wins over Texas (only one by double digits) and (2) Texas, despite the losses to OU, was generally the better team than Michigan over those years.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 23, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
recency
Learned Hand makes a great point. One point I would add to that is that tOSU got beat badly on college football’s biggest stage two recent years in a row – 2006 and 2007 (and to a 2 loss LSU team in 2007). Yes, OUsucks lost last year in the MNC, but it also had the Heisman winner, did not get blown out, and Jesus beat them. I think because tOSU’s MNC losses were worse, it gets the short end of the stick, and rightly so. Plus, tOSU’s strength of schedule during that same timeframe has been worse – partially due to Michigan’s vindaloo. OUsucks too though.
No one's lost worse that the '04 OU team.
55-19 is worse than 44-14 (tOSU v UF) especially since tOSU actually scored more points when it mattered.
Undulating Curve of Hype
is quickly becoming one of my favorite parts of the week.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 22, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions
Totally agree
I had a feeling this subject would bring out the best in BZ. But he’s surpassed all expectations; this is as good a weekly post as is out there in the CFB blogosphere right now.
You ain't hurt.
OSU's 2006 loss was seen as worse than any of OU's
I think perhaps the main reason OSU gets more crap for crapping the bed in big games is from the fact that it suffered the bigger upset in a BCS Championship Game, if one goes by pre-championship game expectations.
In 2006, the story all season was OSU-Michigan. After OSU had a pretty solid victory over Michigan, the story became which one-loss team would be the sacrificial lamb to the undefeated juggernaut out of Columbus. Not only did OSU lose to a team with a worse record, the Buckeyes were exposed and humiliated. The college football world revolted against the bill of goods which they had been sold all season and hasn’t forgiven the Buckeyes since.
By contrast, the Sooners were not heavy favorites in any of their championship games. (I’m just pulling this fact out of my ass, but I’m guessing that the 2006 Buckeyes were much more heavily favored to win their championship game than any of the Sooner teams. The Sooners might have been favorites in any of the games, but no one was expecting romps.) Consider the Sooners’ worst championship game loss — the 2004 game against USC. Off the top of my head, I recall USC beating OU about as thoroughly in terms of the final score as Florida beat OSU two years later. But in retrospect, I think the ‘04 game is remembered more for USC’s brilliance than for OU’s ineptitude. In short, OU’s reputation is somewhat saved by the fact that the team which crushed them is viewed as one of the best three or four teams of the last decade, while the 2006 Florida squad doesn’t come close to that conversation.
OU’s other two losses in championship games — in 2003 and 2008 — were also against opponents with the same one-loss record. Neither was a huge upset. OU’s long-term reputation might have been better served by their crapping the bed in the 2003 Big XII Championship Game first before no-showing against LSU a month later. If that 2003 OU team had been undefeated before being knocked off by double digits by a one-loss SEC team, perhaps the Sooners’ reputation for poor big-game performances would have dipped much earlier in the decade. But given what had happened in Kansas City, their poor performance in New Orleans was not a shock.
Formerly kjm017
A simpler summary . . .
. . . I thought of as soon as hit “publish”:
No individual championship game loss by OU was anywhere near as harmful to its reputation as OSU’s loss in 2006 to Florida was to the Buckeyes’ reputation. It’s taken the cumulative effect of several years’ worth of big game losses for pundits to begin mentioning OU in the same breath as OSU as big-game chokers.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Sep 23, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha
First of all, people like Richard Justice have proven that all you have to do is offend your fanbase in order to dramatically increase your site traffic.
So true.
by goingforthecorner on Sep 23, 2009 2:13 AM CDT reply actions
Re: OSU vs OU
The problem with this argument is that because of the prominence of both OU and OSU, all of the big games that these guys play in are televised nationally.
It’s not just about whether or not their games are televised nationally. What are the average TV ratings of an OSU game vs an OU game? I do buy the argument that OSU is more popular.
Besides, the whole nation knows OU sucks. So whenever they lay a colossal egg, the media is like “meh, this is not newsworthy at all”. When OSU takes a dump, people are actually disappointed, believing that program is underachieving, leading to media criticism.
by goingforthecorner on Sep 23, 2009 2:25 AM CDT reply actions
It's Stoops v Tressell
I think a good deal of the perception issue is related to what we saw last year, with OU’s “race for history” in humiliating opponents.
OU runs up the score plays more exciting football than OSU. When OU beats the patsies on their schedule, they generally score in the 50/60 point range. In OSU’s blowouts they typically score 30/40 points.
I also think part of the issue is the perception (and reality) of their respective coaches. Tressell looks like a nerd, and is an easy mark. He also coaches games like he is trying to win every game 17-14 while attempting only 15-18 passes.
Stoops, on the other hand, is sort of the opposite. He is known for his arrogant snarky comments and wouldn’t hesitate to drop 80+ points against Our Lady of Double Amputees while having his starting quarterback pass out of the shotgun late into the 4th quarter.
Sadly, the more of a prick you are exciting the storyline/brand of football, the more of a pass the media will give you.
"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --
Ding Ding Ding...
We have a winner. It boils down to Stoop’s persona vs. Tressel’s. Incidentally, Mack and Texas would be ridiculed as much as OSU is if Texas was in OU’s position now.
There's something...
to what LearnedHand is saying about the national mystique of the Big Ten as compared to the lack of history in our more recently-formed conference, but mostly, I disagree with the premise that the two perform the same in the small games. It is not enough that each simply wins its games against lesser opponents, OU does it in a decidedly more impressive manner.
Take September, at the beginning of each season. To my recollection, each year this decade, both teams have been pre-ranked in the top 5 (at least top 10). Ohio St. begins every year as they did 2009, that is, they struggle against very weak opponents. Whether its against Navy, or some MAC team, they never LOOK very good winning. prompting the media to question if they are overrated. This perception festers throughout the season, until they finally lose a bigger game, at which point the college football world basically says, “see, I told you they were overrated.”
OU on the other hand (if we’re talking about wins, ie: ignoring their loss to TCU), obliterates its lesser opponents. Even without their QB, they beat Tulsa 45-0 this week, and they looked more dominant doing it than I’ve ever seen the Buckeyes look. This leads to the perception each year that they (and Bob Stoops) are the most talented and dangerous/dominant team in the country. So when they finally lose a big game, the media views it as a completely unexpected surprise (similar to the narrative with USC), and they ask what when wrong.
Pity the fools
I think another reason fans don’t seem to deride OU for losing all these big games as much as a team like tOSU (or the line forming to jump on the pile after USC’s latest WTF-up) is we actually pity the Sooners despite all their gridiron success. When we think of the state of Oklahoma, we think of the Dust Bowl of the Depression Era 30’s and when we thinking of the Sooners, we think of Switzer and his win at all costs bootlegger mentality. And the Sooners embrace that hard-scrabble image rather than try to debunk it. I guess it works for them.
So despite being arguably the most successful program (and one of the dirtiest) in the modern era of college football, people pity OU much like they would a rich, philandering uncle, who despite hitting the lottery, is a failure at just about everything else in life. Sure, we’d like to have OU’s 7 titles, but we wouldn’t want to be them.
BTW, if you want to frustrate a Sooner to know end, tell him that…it drives them absolutely shit-house crazy that we don’t envy them. It’s why they’re always trying to give us OU’s football resume.
And yes, I know I"m being an incredibly arrogant ass by saying all this and doing nothing to debunk UT’s stereotypical image, but I guess "it is what you are."
Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.
Just bring up The Grapes of Wrath. It sends them into convulsive fits.
by dimecoverage on Sep 23, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Local coverage
One factor may be that Oklahoma is such a media wasteland that there are virtually never critical stories coming out of the local press. The latest scandal will make headlines, but there is little editorial criticism of the program. Since sports reporters are as lazy as the rest, much of their material nationally is taken from what is written locally. In addition, the potential readership for tOSU stories may be significantly larger as (speculating here) they have more alumni outside the local area.
And BTW: Could you please ration your use of the phrase “crapped the bed”? I’m eating breakfast here.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
NewsOK
Barry Tramel does a good job of calling a spade a spade when it comes to OU. He was critical of the Sooners in the Florida game and some of the less-than-above-board tackles. He also called out Stoops about keeping Chaisson on scholarship.
Jenni Carlson was the reporter that set Gundy off. She was simply writing about a situation with a player and his family that Gundy did not want publicized. That’s what started the rant. He wasn’t protecting his player.
I do agree that most sports writers are lazy. I see the same story idea recycled for at least two days after the first idea appears in some article.
by dimecoverage on Sep 23, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
In addition to the great points above, my thoughts
1) In 2006, if I remember correctly OSU and Michigan were ranked 1 and 2 when they played each other. It was a very close game, and left OSU the only undefeated contender left. Since Michigan almost beat them, many in the media were arguing that OSU and Michigan should have a rematch for the crystal ball. Many thought that would only be fair, because anybody that almost beat the vaunted OSU must certainly be the number 2 team in the country.
When this did not happen, and OSU got railed by what many considered just a “pretty good” Florida team, the media was colossally embarrassed. OSU and Michigan (the Big 10 powerhouses) burned the media, and left them with a very bad tasted in their mouth regarding not just OSU and Michigan, but also the Big 10. Thus the media distrusts OSU and the Big 10 in general since that day.
2) The Big 12 has a more recent national champion than the Big 10. And that championship came against what some dubbed the greatest football team ever. So OU is coasting on being in a pretty good conference. The media trusts that OU is always very good because they win a lot of Big 12 championships.

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