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From article: "We’re disappointed for Brandon and Christian that they won’t be able to play this season, but they will continue to practice with the team and work towards earning their degrees, which is the ultimate goal," Brown said. "They both have two years of eligibility remaining so they’ll help us in practice this year and then get back to competing for playing time in the spring."

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so who does the blame fall on this?

the players? the compliance office? both?

3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.

by burrito on Sep 29, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

The players

They are adults, and know that if they are planning on getting a degree (in say Business), then taking a bunch of (say education classes) irrelevant classes with respect to their degree falls on them. Maybe, MAYBE it is the fault of the compliance directors for not informing the players of the specific rule, but its not up to the compliance office to be constantly checking on every person’s degree plan and exactly which classes they are taking and their percentage progress on their degrees.

I personally kind of wish they did do that, because these are two huge losses IMO. But its time for them to grow up and be adults. It is unfortunate, but they will come back next year and add some real depth. Hopefully Chiles can shine in his opportunity (he looks awesome so far at the flanker position) and Brewster and Gideon continue to develop and excel. Next year, both the WR and Safety positions look to be major strengths for 2010.

by prince8846 on Sep 29, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually, what you said isn’t the compliance office’s job IS the compliance office’s job.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

agree with boh

What we don’t know is whether they hadn’t made progress towards a degree because they failed classes, or if it was because they took the wrong classes. If they failed, it is on the players. If they took the wrong classes, it is squarely on the compliance office.

by ctex80 on Sep 29, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is the compliance office's job?

Isn’t their job to make sure the student athletes are in "compliance’ with NCAA rules? I know we aren’t OU and we don’t have the luxury of letting academically challenged athletes major in underwater basketweaving. However, maybe these guys did something like drop a class that they were having trouble in or something off the intended gameplan of the compliance offer.
This stinks for these guys and for the team this year, but these guys are going to help us be strong next year and now they can get their academics in order.

by Wrangler86 on Sep 29, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

damn

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Glasses are half empty...

That means I’m an optomitrist, looking at the brite side… GG gets a seasoned target for 2 yrs and the defense mucho depth at saftey. Half empty glasses means your half way to drunkin-ness…. So drink the other half of the glass and enjoy

Severed legs are the ultimate stocking stuffers- M.Headburg

by Ese-De-SA on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

In Good Academic Standing

Neither Collins nor Scott are in this situation due to inability to pass their classes. It is due to registering for the wrong classes.

The Statesman says: “The two still are in good standing at UT and are attending classes. They also can practice, but aren’t eligible to play in games.”

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2009/09/29/collins_scott_t.html

by cambyrd on Sep 30, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions  

you are making an assumption

that they registered for the wrong class

it could be they failed a class, or that they simply didn’t take enough classes

they have not made satisfactory progress towards their degree, which means they don’t have enough hours

Collins and Scott are both enrolled in the College of Education, which seems to have a lot of football players clustered in there. Guess that is their version of underwater basket weaving.

Anyone know what the requirements are for a degree in education? How many hours they need to graduate?

I believe the rule for a student-athlete in their third year is they must have completed 50% progress towards their degree, but that percentage may have gone up recently. If it is 50%, that isn’t much. Figure a degree is 125-130 hours, so 12 hrs in the Fall, 15 hours in the Spring, 6 hours if they trake one class each Summer session, and you have 66 hours in two years, which is over 50% progress.

This could simply mean they failed a Summer school class, or they neglected to take one class during a session.

by Beergut on Sep 30, 2009 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

u r correct in ur assumption about summer i'll bet

1 Daughter is getting her masters in ED. She recalled 120-122 range for undregrad—wasn’t sure though.
2.I always assumed this was a summer school f—k up.Otherwise WM wouldn’t have been talking up C scott as a potential/probable starter in the spring.
3.NCAA rules—-another poster researched this—-
items 1-3 are probably the issue.Also check 9a…i think this would affect brandon

There is a lot of confusion on what the NCAA requirements are to be making satisfactory academic progress. From a quick review of the NCAA Bylaws the following apply to determine an athlete’s eligibility:

1. Twenty-four-semester hrs of academic credit prior to start of the student-athlete’s second year of collegiate enrollment.

2. Of those 24 credits, 18 semester hours of academic credit must be achieved during the university’s preceding regular two semesters (fall and winter). Hours earned during the summer may not be used to fulfill this requirement.

3. That 18 semester hour requirement applies to each and every academic year (the student-athlete must complete 18 hours in the fall and winter terms of his sophomore year, another 18 hours in the fall and winter of his junior year, and again in his senior year).

4. A student-athlete shall designate a program of studies leading toward a specific baccalaureate degree at the university prior to participating in competition during the third year of enrollment and thereafter shall make progress toward that specific degree.

5. A student-athlete who is entering his third year of collegiate enrollment shall have successfully completed at least 40 percent of the course requirements in the student’s specific degree program.

6. A student-athlete who is entering his fourth year of collegiate enrollment shall have successfully completed at least 60 percent of the course requirements in the student’s specific degree program.

7. A student-athlete who is entering his fifth year of collegiate enrollment shall have successfully completed at least 80 percent of the course requirements in the student’s specific degree program.

8. There is a different set of yearly percentage criteria for an athlete whose degree program is defined by the university as a 5-year program (or one requiring 150 or more semester hours).

9. Grade point average also plays a role in determining academic eligibility:

a. A student-athlete who is entering his second year of collegiate enrollment shall possess a cumulative minimum grade-point average (based on a maximum 4.000) that equals at least 90 percent of the university’s overall cumulative grade-point average required for graduation.

A student-athlete who is entering his third year of collegiate enrollment shall possess a cumulative gradepoint average (based on a maximum of 4.000) that equals 95 percent of the university’s overall cumulative minimum grade-point average required for graduation.

c. A student-athlete who is entering his fourth or later year of collegiate enrollment shall possess a cumulative minimum grade-point average (based on a maximum of 4.000) that equals 100 percent of the university’s overall cumulative minimum grade-point average required for graduation.

The NCAA rules do require an improving overall GPA as the athlete moves through his course of study.

It appears that summer work is most useful in meeting the requirements for degree progress. An athlete must still get the 18 hours in the fall and winter semesters of each and every year.

As you know with NCAA rules, there is lots of language defining alternatives and many nuances of the APR, but these are a few of the basic ones.

by Hornsup21 on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got a degree in education....

Not exactly underwater basketweaving beergut……..very good teachers that are experts in their field. I’m not saying it’s the business school or anything, but I put in plenty of work to get my 130 hr degree.

by SneezyBeltran on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't UT require more in-class time than other public ed programs?

It’s no doubt a load of work, that is, if the student is actually trying to get the degree.

by Kool Hand on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

It probably depends on the program. Physical fitness education is a major to which jocks are funneled at many programs. Secondary education in mathematics or physical science (chemistry, physics, geology, etc.) is an area where one wouldn’t find the typical underwater-basketweaving-grade student. Kinesiology is one that varies very widely between schools, as it’s just training for jocks in some, but a challenging program of scientific importance at others.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do they lose a year of elegibility?

Collins can use this season as a redshirt season, right? What about Scott? Hasn’t he already used the redshirt? Does he just lose an entire year of eligibility?

by ttazhorn on Sep 30, 2009 3:48 AM CDT reply actions  

That’s correct, I believe. Collins gets to use his redshirt this year, and Scott burns a year of eligibility.

by burntorangehorn on Sep 30, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

suck

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Bummer

Colt was really looking forward to utilizing Collins this year based upon his statements in August. I believe he was counting on him to be his other safety valve other than Shipley. Hopefully his timing and trust with the other receivers not named Shipley will continue to improve as the season goes along.

by silky51 on Sep 30, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

This is a real bummer as we thought both these guys would be sizable contributors

But looking ahead, you still have to really like our team, and two of the places outside of RB where we have the most depth are probably WR and Safety.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Changing degrees

I wonder how changing degrees during your junior year would treated. Based on what I’m read, from above, the NCAA is locking the students into a degree and they would lose eligibility if they changed.

by Forty on Sep 30, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

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