The State of Oklahoma: OU Stumbles Against BYU
-When I heard Bradford got hurt, I was not happy at all; I actually winced. Many fans around me started to cheer at the news and chant, "OU sucks." I agree OU sucks, but I think it's classless to celebrate over a serious injury, especially if it happens to a good kid like Sam Bradford. Last I checked, he hasn't threatened anyone with a screwdriver yet. Sorry if I offend anyone who was at the stadium and participated in that celebration, but I found it distasteful. We're better than that at Texas.
-Since this post will focus on OU (obviously; Brigham Young is not in the state of Oklahoma), I will talk almost exclusively about the Sooners' failures and mistakes rather than what BYU did well. That doesn't mean I want to minimize the effort BYU put forth in this game. They deserve credit for the win, and I am not trying to hint at the contrary by talking just about Oklahoma.
-On a similar note, while OU's injuries were obviously huge (Bradford and Gresham), BYU's starting runningback Harvey Unga could not play, and they also lost starting linebacker Matt Bauman early in the game. BYU also had plenty of their own dumb mistakes, as it was a sloppy game overall. Thus, while it is perhaps doubtful OU loses with Bradford and Gresham, BYU didn't exactly have a perfect, sunny day either.
Anyway, there's a lot to talk about in the game, so let's get started. Last week, I previewed the game, and while I hoped BYU would win, I didn't have very much faith it would happen. I listed several things that I felt had to happen for BYU to win, so I will take a brief look at those:
1. Pressure Sam Bradford: They did. More on this later.
2. Keep the ball away from OU: It happened in ways I did not expect, but BYU did keep the ball roughly fifteen minutes more than OU.
3. Turnovers: I thought BYU had no chance if they turned the ball over more than OU. Well, they did it four times and still won. Go figure.
4. Stop the run: OU had some success on the ground but never really got it going. Overall, BYU is probably very happy with OU's mediocre 3.8 yards per carry as a team and 129 rushing yards.
5. Hope Brent Venables does something stupid: OU's defense didn't dominate and they did make mistakes, but at the end of the day, you have to put much more blame on the offensive side of the ball. OU fans are much more angry at Kevin Wilson.
6. Good ol' fashion luck: Well, you can definitely say that OU played poorly (or some of their units did...) and committed a ton of penalties, but BYU didn't exactly win the lottery. I wouldn't call the Bradford injury a "lucky" occurrence either. Again, more on this later.
Therefore, of the six things I said had to happen for BYU to win, only half of them did. If I were to predict the score of a BYU victory, I would have said something like 37-35 or something, not 14-13. What the heck went wrong, then, for OU?
"The Best Offensive Line We've Ever Had. Honest!" - Bob Stoops and Kevin Wilson
Their offensive line went wrong. Very, very wrong. I knew, like most everyone who didn't buy into Stoops' and Wilson's stupid hyperbole, that OU's offensive line was a big question mark for this team. Nonetheless, as my preview states, they definitely have talent there to turn to. Therefore, despite my skepticism concerning the O-line (especially with Brody Eldridge at center), I was shocked how bad OU's line played. As much as I laughed at Stoops' and Wilson's insistence that this player or that player is "the best we've ever had," I expected them to have this line much more prepared than what they showed on Saturday. Stunning.
The problem with the line wasn't so much the physical act of blocking, although they weren't always very good at that either. The problems were stupid penalties and a lack of recognition and adjustment to blitzes. I'll go down the line and talk about each starter.
RT Cory Brandon
Football is a team game, but if you're looking for a goat, look no further than right tackle Cory Brandon. Brandon's performance was so bad, even I began to feel sorry for him. Not only was his blocking mediocre, he committed an astonishing six penalties (two declined). It was quite an inauspicious start for him and the OU line, as he committed two of the three false start penalties that killed the first drive and caused a three an out, and it didn't get much better than that.
After the first drive, here are some notable things on Brandon's performance that I caught when I re-watched the game:
-On Murray's costly fumble at BYU's goalline, Brandon was called for holding anyway and would have nullified the run.
-On a failed third down play on OU's fifth drive, Brandon missed a block and looked lost. Trent Williams' chop block would have nullified the play anyway, but it was worth noting.
-On OU's eighth drive, Brandon was practically run over by the BYU DE, who hit Bradford as he threw the ball. Bradford still completed the pass, but it was called back because Brandon held on to defender as he fell on his back. This was the drive OU ultimately lost Sam Bradford.
-On OU's second drive of the second half, a run for a first down was called back due to a Brandon hold. The Sooners would go three and out again.
-And finally, to make sure the spotlight is on him, Brandon committed a false start on OU's last drive that pushed the Sooners back even further. The 54 yard field goal, as we all know, was no good. Game over.
Cory Brandon was supposed to be a solid starter, having experience as a backup before this year. Instead, he was the worst guy on the line, and I wonder if he's going to keep his job. On a few plays, I saw backup Brian Lepak take the right guard spot as Jarvis Jones slid over to right tackle. Jones wasn't great either, but if Brandon is starting and plays like that against Texas, Sam Acho is going to kill him.
RG Jarvis Jones
Injury problems seemed to doom Stephen Good, so Jarvis Jones got the start at right guard. Jones was nothing special, and he committed a stupid personal foul that forced OU's second straight three and out on their second drive. OU would get lucky as BYU muffed the ensuing punt, but that was the fourth penalty by an offensive lineman already in the game. I noted some bad blocking by Jones on a play during OU's second FG drive, but BYU was called for pass interference anyway. Jones was half-decent but again, nothing special. Considering Brandon's atrocious game, I wouldn't be surprised if Good or Lepak takes this spot back as Jarvis Jones moves over to right tackle.
C Brody Eldridge
Brody Eldridge really struggled. Not only did I note some poor blocking by Eldridge on the drive Sam Bradford got hurt, he could not figure out where the pressure was coming from. What was so bad about the Bradford injury was that BYU ran the same zone blitz a couple plays before with the same exact results: Cougar linebacker Clawson runs in and whacks Bradford pretty much untouched. In the third quarter, they dialed up a similar blitz, and Pendleton ran in free and smacked Landry Jones as he threw the ball. OU probably should have kept a runningback in the backfield to pick up the blitz, but it didn't seem the line itself was making any adjustments.
LG Brian Simmons
Simmons was also supposed to be solid, but he too is at fault for slowing down some OU drives. He had a false start on the first drive, and he also had a personal foul in the second half. Still, Simmons and Williams were much better than the other side of the line, if that's saying much. I didn't see him get run over or beat, but I also didn't see any good push.
LT Trent Williams
Trent Williams was pretty solid, but he did get called for a chop block (declined) and he got confused on the zone blitz that ultimately injured Bradford. I didn't see any time Williams was physically beat, and Jan Jorgensen, BYU's best end, was pretty quiet most of the game.
So, what now?
Although players shoulder a good deal of responsibility, I have to put a lot of this on the OU coaches. The offensive line looked unprepared and confused, and that starts at the top. Instead of feeding the media garbage about how they had no worries about the line and how many players were the best ever at OU, they should probably have sent subtle challenges to the players instead. Like I noted, the problems weren't being physically overmatched; the problems were stupid and undisciplined play. The line accounted for 10 called penalties, which just isn't going to cut it. BYU had experience problems in the offensive line as well, and while they too made mistakes, it wasn't on the level of OU's gaffes.
As I said, I can't simply call the Bradford injury bad luck: If you let your QB get hit like that, especially one not known for his mobility, he's going to eventually get hurt. On his last drive, Bradford was knocked down three or four times after the throw. BYU only registered one sack, but they were able to bring pressure to rattle both Bradford and Jones. Bradford himself played well, but the penalties never allowed him to get in a rhythm and the hits eventually took him out of the game. It was a sorry performance, and it's no stretch to say that the OU offensive line potentially sabotaged the team's season with that kind of egg-laying.
What changes can we expect? While it would seem that moving Eldridge back to TE would be smart, I think he's staying put, despite the lesser blocking from the other tight ends (their TE Hanna got beat on a second and goal run that resulted in a loss). Kevin Wilson said he will not "throw anyone under the bus," but he hinted at changes, and it might be the aforementioned removal of Cory Brandon from the starting rotation. I really don't know at this point, but something has to change, or Landry Jones is going to end up like Bradford. The Sooners may have only gave up one sack, but Bradford got hit plenty of times before he ultimately exited the game. As you can see on the right, Bradford mightily disagrees with Wilson's sunny assessment of the offensive line in the preseason.
The Rest of the Team
WR - The biggest question mark on offense is probably the wide receiver position for Oklahoma, which I will discuss sometime later. For now, it is enough to say that while you can't pin much blame on these guys for the loss, they didn't exactly help. Caleb Brandon provided some production with 4 catches for 52 yards, but that was about it. Their supposed deep threat, Adron Tennell, failed to snag a ball on the first drive (granted, it was a difficult throw to handle) and also dropped a first down pass on third and long on OU's second drive. It was clear that Bradford didn't have any go-to receivers, making the absence of Jermaine Gresham all the more glaring.
RB - Chris Brown and Murray actually ran the ball decently, but they were not always consistent and Murray coughed up the ball twice, particularly the one he lost in scoring position. Murray had a couple impressive runs, but with the O-line having as much problems as they were, it was difficult for either of them to truly shine. While Brown averaged 4.2 yards per carry and Murray averaged 5.8 ypc, OU as a whole finished with a paltry 3.8 average.
D-Line - The vaunted OU defensive line was pretty stout all day, but they did not dominate to the degree that one would expect when facing an inexperienced offensive line that BYU had. Adrian Taylor made some plays but I noted several times he got pushed aside at the point of attack, and I came away underwhelmed with his performance. Jeremy Beal played well as did English, but they did not bring consistent pressure by themselves and also found themselves out of position on some runs. The only "wow" performance of this group came from Gerald McCoy, who blew up several Cougar plays in the backfield. Still, while they didn't smother the BYU line as OU fans probably hopes, at the end of the day, they brought some decent pressure and held BYU to a low 0.8 yards per carry. You can't blame these guys.
LB - The linebackers generally looked solid as well, save a few mishaps in coverage. Ryan Reynolds had a good day, recording 10 tackles, a sack, and an interception, while Travis Lewis racked up 13 tackles. Keenan Clayton had the other interception and he snagged the ball with his hands in an impressive manner for an LB. The only problem was that they, nor the secondary, defended BYU's tight ends well, and on BYU's fourth and four conversion, Hall zipped the pass to Pitta right between Reynolds and Clayton.
Secondary - The secondary seemed largely untested by the BYU receivers, but they did not look great to me. Dominique Franks had an error in coverage that let Jacobson get loose behind him for a big gain, and they lost Jacobson on the go-ahead touchdown. Furthermore, as mentioned above, the tight ends of BYU had some success, with Andrew George catching 3 balls and a touchdown pass and Pitta grabbing 7 balls for 90 yards. Tackling in the back four was also mediocre. This is definitely a defense that is much stronger in the front.
Oklahoma's Season: Endangered
When Andre Ware predicted that the Sooners would lose four games, everyone (including me) laughed at him. We knew OU's line was a weakness, but FOUR games? Come on. One injury later due to that offensive line's ineptitude, his prediction doesn't seem as far-fetched as it did then. I wouldn't call him smart; nobody could have predicted such an injury to Bradford, but it does go to show how fragile and unpredictable a season can be. With Bradford out, losing to Miami has become a big possibility. If he returns against Texas as expected, they will still be underdogs, and if he doesn't, they will almost assuredly fall to the Longhorns. Finally, they must face Okie Lite in Norman, and while Bradford will be back by then, the Cowboys would love nothing more to smack him around if that offensive line doesn't improve significantly over the season. That's four potential losses already without even mentioning road games against Kansas, Nebraska, and Texas Tech.
When Bradford returns, it will be interesting to see how this injury affects him the rest of the year, both mentally and physically. He's a fantastic quarterback, but coming back 100% from such an injury will be tough. It may even be possible that his first game back will be against Texas, a horrible opponent to return against. Right now, frankly, it's not looking good for the Sooners.
When I previewed the offensive line, I noted the high stakes of their play, considering Bradford's limited mobility:
These are the stakes: Keep Bradford upright and a national championship is within reach. Fail in this regard and the Sooners' best result is probably a BCS at-large berth or possibly even worse if the defense does not improve as expected.
I thought their O-line play would only cost them losses against Texas and probably Oklahoma State. Now we're looking at a totally different season. Bradford is out a few weeks, Gresham is still a mystery, and the entire offense just went from scary to "I can't wait to smack around Landry Jones" status. This is an offense that was given four turnovers by their defense and still only mustered 13 points. The defensive front seven is strong but not overwhelming, and the secondary is weak. It is a shocking turn of events.
I by no means am saying that OU is now a weak team. They will still be a dangerous team come October, especially with Bradford's return. They are also not out of the national championship picture yet and they certainly can win the Big 12 again. However, they have a lot to prove to return to their elite status, and with their relatively tough schedule, they're going to have to improve very quickly if they don't want their season to spiral out of control. The Horns watched this game with glee and eager anticipation, because if they play like that against Texas, the Longhorns are going to roll them over. Apparently, the fact that we lost three D-line starters does not equal their O-line losses, and that should make Bradford pause as he ponders his decision to skip out on the NFL.
How's this for another 2005 to 2009 similarity? OU's best player gets injured the first game and they fall to an MWC team. That OU team went 8-4. It's up to the O-line to make sure they don't prove Andre Ware correct.
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OU sucks cheer
Seriously…Was I the only one thinking that we were still playing a game at TEXAS about to get a first glimpse at WONDERBOY Gilbert? Focus, people.
I thought it was pretty funny
how the fans we’re chanting and our players were looking around like what’s going on.
I just really hope
that people cool it a little bit talking about the demise of OU. We need to take it one game at a time, as tired as that adage is, there’s a reason people say it. I’m sure everyone here can appreciate the ability of a team that feels disrespected to bring back their “not-100%” QB and smack the other team in the face, hubris and all, in a rivalry game. We’ve all seen “injured” quarterbacks play lights out when nobody expected it. And let’s not forget, that Defense isn’t fooling around. Remember, a big part of the turning point in our game last year was Ryan Reynolds’ departure, and from the looks of this writeup, he’s right back where he left off.
Very cool article
I am writing this from my home in the south of France. I want to comment on the fine writing and objective analysis. It takes a keen mind, focused observation and thoughtful analysis to come up with something this good.
What really showed in my opinion is that OU sports can be taken with a degree of objective passion purely on the basis of sport even from Longhorn fans. I particularly liked the comments about the injury to Bradford – a classy perspective. I applaud all of this because I think American college football is all about sport, passion and identity. We here in Europe, with the bad news hooligans who are indigenous to our football (i.e. soccer), could take a good lesson from the likes of USA college football. (BTW here in Europe no university has any team sports whatsoever. It is a wasteland.)
As for the OU season, as my father used to say, “nobody knows how good you are until you have stared adversity in the face.” We shall see.
where again?
is the south of france nicer than the rest of france? are you bragging? i mean, i’ve heard people say “the south of france,” but never in a non-pretensious way (does that make sense?). i would say that, when addressing a bunch of texans (and vermonters in this case), noting that your home is specifically located at the bottom of france is, well, unnecessary.
-signing off from the south of vermont.
If I were to bother to go to France again, I’d really only bother with the southern portion.
Signed,
Guy in DC suburbs, who went to college in Germany for a while
by burntorangehorn on Sep 9, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Well..
Having been there, the south of France is a very different region from the other parts of the country (people are nicer there too). It’s kind of like saying “I am writing from Texas” instead of “I am writing from the USA”. Make sense?
Play like you mean it...
As someone who is a huge OU fan and knows A TON about the Sooners...
I thought this was a fantastic and well informed piece without any out of place bias. In fact, the only thing that I don’t like about it is that it is so true.
Nice work.
Changed my SBN user name from WoodrowWilson.
The Ralphie Report - University of Colorado Athletics
So the guy who writes the CU blog is a Sooner fan?
Damn Stoops blogging tree.
by ctex80 on Sep 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not just a fan,
an alum.
But it was genius :)
Changed my SBN user name from WoodrowWilson.
The Ralphie Report - University of Colorado Athletics
OU sux chant
I heard OU sux chant when they lost, but was there a chant when Bradford got injured?
If there was, give them a break. I think it’s easy to say after the fact. It’s common sense that we shouldn’t celebrate anyone’s injury.
I bet UT fans were cheering OU program’s misfortune, rather than celebrating Bradford’s injury. There is a difference. It’s like hating Sooner Program vs. a Sooner football player or Alumni. If you celebrated when Bradford won the Heisman because he is a “good kid”, don’t call yourself a UT fan. Though Bradford is a good kid (according to all the UT message boards), it’s natural for us to be upset when something good happen to Sooners and be happy when something bad happens to the Sooners. I have a great relationship with my coworker who went to OU, but when it comes to football, we trash talk like there is no tomorrow.
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I should add, that was a great article~ Great read and a good analysis. Sorry, if my last post was a bit negative, which has nothing to do with an article, haha.
It’s all good. Smilies heal all message board wounds.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I definitely do not celebrate good things that happen to the Sooners, and I also enjoy it when they lose. However, I just think major injuries are a bit different. It’s important to separate the players’ health from their performances on the field. When Sergio Kindle hit Bradford last season, I loved it and wanted to see it again. I even like hits that dizzy players for a few moments, like when Aaron Ross hit Matt Leinart. But I would not want such a hit to send the guy to the hospital.
Seeing Bob Stoops’ face as he saw his offensive line implode was pretty awesome, I have to admit. Watching Bradford rolling around in pain was not.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 8, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record...
While at the game, I had absolutely no idea that Bradford had gone down. My phone obviously didn’t work (thanks, AT&T!) and I never heard any mention of it over the PA. The only peep I heard about it other than the scoreboard updates was that OU had missed a field goal at the end of regulation. I also didn’t participate in the first OU sucks chant, because it happened when we had a player down (if I recall correctly, anyway). I did indulge after the final Eyes, though :)
I’m fairly certain that at least 90% of the people at the stadium had no clue about Bradford and were simply responding to the score flashed up on the East/West video boards.
Wait, DimeCoverage is a GIRL?????
What’s a girl doing writing about football! Sacrilege! Ahem. I always thought DC was a guy all this time. Go figure.
OU defense
First of all, great stuff TES.
Secondly, I watched a great deal of the replay last night while flipping back and forth from the MIami-Florida State game, so I haven’t watched it with the attention you have paid it, but I felt like OU looked soft down the seam once again this year, exactly where the Longhorns destroyed them with Shipley in the flex last year. Unless Venables figures out how to defend receivers over the middle of the field — unlikely — I think Dan Buckner has a huge game for the Longhorns in the Cotton Bowl.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 8, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions
I agree
I’m hoping Venables keeps this up, because then we will see some more gutting of the OU defense over the middle come this October. The linebackers were decent but they did struggle a bit in coverage despite snagging two interceptions. I have to admit the Reynolds interception was very impressive, but he did get beat by Pitta a couple times.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 8, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Reynolds
Impressed with the interception as well. What I wasn’t impressed with was his speed after the interception. I imagine he’s lost a step or two with all the knee injuries and his ACL probably isn’t 100% less than a year removed from his tear, so I think Texas can exploit his lack of top-end speed.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Sep 8, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Reynolds is becoming the Mark Schlereth of linebackers. It’s too bad connective tissue injuries don’t heal back stronger than ever, as with bone breaks.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That was my prevailing thought as well while watching that game
Well, beyond thinking the O-line was atrocious, the WR’s unimpressive, and that they desperately need Gresham.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Sep 8, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent write-up
As an OU fan, I agree 100% on your analysis of the offense. However, I give the defense a little more credit. While they weren’t dominate the entire game, I thought they played excellent as a whole. If you would’ve told me that they had to be on the field for nearly 40 minutes and only gave up 14 points- I would take that any day of the week. I’ve learned that as long as Venables is running the show, we’re going to give up a few big plays- especially on 3rd downs. But I thought they played great and gave us a great opportunity to win a game despite one of the worst offensive performances (THE worst by the offensive line) I’ve ever seen.
I also would like to say that I appreciate everyone’s tact (for the most part) in response to the Bradford and Gresham injuries. The horns are showing a lot of class. I think it’s a true rivalry when both sides want to play each other at full strength.
Hopefully we can turn things around and give you guys a good game.
You also have to take into consideration that BYU is no scoring behemoth
And they lost plenty of their offensive power from last year (Collie, for one) and didn’t have their starting RB in the game. And Hall has always been more average than good in all the games I’ve seen him. IMO BYU had no business winning that game, but they did anyway because OU gave the game away. Face it, you guys did everything to lose that game, and BYU accepted your generous offer.
by iamjackburton on Sep 8, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at your mention of the WRs
where was Broyles? Was he nowhere to be found or was BYU sliding the safety over to help out?
Broyles was fairly quiet
He did have the TD catch, but other than that, he had four catches for only 26 yards. He also fumbled the ball.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 8, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Is BYU as good as they're polled?
Now they’re up at number 9, but how would they stack up against Miami, or Baylor?
I’m just trying to figure out what’s in store for the Sooners now that they’re working with new receivers, TE, line, and QB, but have a solid defense.
It’s almost like they’re playing in the SEC.
Well, we’ll get to see how they stack up against FSU in two weeks. Now that they’ve beaten OU, they probably have the best chance of any non BCS team ever to crash no just the BCS, but also the MNC game.
A) They started out ranked
B) They beat number 3 OU
C) If they beat FSU, that will give them 2 wins over BCS teams that will likely have 9 to 10 wins
D) The play both TCU and Utah, teams that both get plenty of respect and are both ranked in th top 17 as of now (likely higher by the time they play).
If they get past FSU, TCU, and Utah, the rest of the schedule lines up well. I hope they go undefeated and get passed up by a 1 loss Fl team to play us (undefeated, of course). I would feel bad for them, but I really want a BCS meltdown.
It's to be Expected
They did just beat the #3 team in the country, after all, and it’s logical (nay, even justified) that they be moved up the ranks until otherwise. That’ll come when they play Utah, FSU, and TCU.
by iamjackburton on Sep 8, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
BYU vs. Oklahoma
As a Texan now living in Utah, I watched the game while getting UT updates(so I am kinda jealous of all the people at DKR), here is what I saw from my BYU perspective…
cont
1- Oklahoma did not look mentally ready to play, this was evident on the opening drive…2-much like Alabama vs. Utah in last year’s Sugar Bowl, Oklahoma just rolled their jerseys out and I got the feeling that they did not expect the type of talent, drive, etc. from BYU…3- the perception that the MWC is a bad league or full of cakewalks (okay Wyoming is an exception, the town is a craphole too, I apologize to everyone heading to Laramie this weekend) is outmoted and wrong…4- Oklahomo played confused after Bradford left, like his loss was something they never had considered…5- I thought the OC for Oklahoma was smart, a hotshot up and comer, but he was outclassed by the BYU OC Robert Anae (who used to coach at TT)…6- Adjustments were not made by the OL, in fact BYU kept blitzing from the same point on the field, so much that the ESPN guys said that if it kept up the 3rd string guy would be in…7- BYU is a solid well coached team, there is alot of under appreciated talent here in the west, Kariya- who torched the defense and the LB who knocked Bradford out of the game, Clawson are both walk ons… Texas Fight, please put up 70 on Wyoming, please, their fans are the worst, horrible people, totally classless, devoid of any mercy.
There are...
Wyoming fans?
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 8, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that Wyoming fans might be compared to
Southeastern Louisiana State University Muddog fans.. :)
by future_longhorn_dad on Sep 8, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
My Bad
South Central Louisiana State University Muddogs
by future_longhorn_dad on Sep 8, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Fear the "Land Thief"
Great write up as usual! The biggest thing to take away from that game is OU had “one of those days”. Gresham was a huge security blanket and he wasn’t there. Then Bradford goes down, and the rest is history. I would have been much happier reading of the OL woes if they were “getting overpowered” or weren’t stout enough. It looks as if most of the issues were centered on more fixable discipline and coordination issues that should naturally progress til the RRS. Even though OU will have a rusty Bradford, and Gresham will be absent, they will still be dangerous. Fortunately, one thing Muschamp has brought to the program is a focus on the task of hand, and no tolerance of optism or over confidence.
From Tim Griffin
The Sooners have moved center Brody Eldridge back to his old position at tight end and inserted Ben Habern back at center. That would seem to indicate the Sooners are preparing to continue on without Gresham for the rest of the season.
Looks like the greatest Center Kevin Wilson ever laid eyes on has accomplished everything possible at that position, and will now go on to re-write the record books at TE.
I think that's a good move
Eldridge did not look good at center. Not sure why that was a bright idea in the first place, but I guess Habern’s and Good’s injury concerns forced the move.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 8, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Horns Fans around me were NOT rude at all
I was at the game and I think maybe you have mistakenly interpreted two diffrent events happening simultaneously as being related. But, I don’t know what fans around your heard or saw.
Up in the Alumni seciton (104) we only heard the Horns Fans, including all of us, cheering loudly and saying OU Sux when we saw the scoreboard show BYU take the lead ahead of OU. We had no idea Bradford was out of the game. We also cheered again loudly when the scoreboard showed that the time remaining was F for final score.
We had no idea Bradford was hurt until people were cheering in disbelief about the BYU upset. Then rumors about Bradford started spreading word of mouth through the crowd due to cell phones, etc. I didn’t hear the announcers ever say anything. Everyone that was spreading the news about Bradford was doing so in a somber tone because we know how we would feel if it was McCoy. No rudeness in my area.
Great Post….and I watched the game on ESPN last night and agree. The Sooner’s OL was terrible and the Center had no idea where to direct the line for blitz pickup.
As to the girls giggling during the injury, they probably never saw what was going on with the field. We thought they were all getting water until somone noticed the trainer helping the player. I agree about good sportsmanship, but I think Texas does a pretty good job. Folks around me would not have gone for rudeness or classless behavior. I’m very proud of our fanbase in general and truly enjoyed all the folks I had the chance to sit by. Lots of people were sharing inside information and having fun.
Cheering when Bradford went down
I was at the game, in the student section, and I recall no cheers when Sam Bradford went down. This is because there was no announcement. People were getting updates in text messages, and (trying to) check the internet on their phones. It spread more through word of mouth through the stadium.
I seriously doubt if they put “Bradford injures AC joint” in huge letters on the jumbotron that you would have heard a large roaring cheer.
The cheer I believe you are referring to is when BYU scored the touchdown. Or the subsequent cheer when OU missed a field goal. Or the cheer when the OU score was final and flashed on the score report.
In my section
There were definite cheers. A guy yelled out with glee that Bradford was injured and the word quickly spread around the section, and a lot of people cheered and started the chant. Now, I’m willing to bet a lot of people joined in the chant and did not know why it started, but it was definitely about the Bradford injury because we heard the news just as it happened, so it was well before the final TD by BYU.
by TheElusiveShadow on Sep 8, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
You get drunk frat boy assholes who don’t give a damn about football except as an(other) excuse to get drunk and have a party, you tell them that our biggest rival’s QB just got hurt and may be out for the year, and they will react like drunk frat boy assholes who don’t give a damn. I remember a big cheer of “OU Sucks!” going up near the top of the student section (by the luxury boxes, which is no doubt where they got the info). I turned and yelled up to someone who looked semi-alert and yelled “BYU Scored?” and the guy yelled back “Bradford’s hurt! Out for the season!” He didn’t seem to be cheering about it, but someone in that area definitely started up the chant in response to the injury.
Whoever said it is right, however. 99% of the fans were just picking up the cheer, assuming that BYU had scored or something (I know I did). While it certainly angers me that someone thought that that was grounds for celebration, I know that there is the same element in any crowd. I remember every “Cart McCoy” picture and poster for a full year after Colt’s injuries against KSU and A&M, but I don’t blame entire fan bases for that crap. There will always be some hanger ons who have no respect for the sport and are only there to get a rise out of someone. Claiming that Longhorns fans are all trash because of some idiot who started a chant at our game is the same as claiming that all A&M or OU fans are trash because of the Cart McCoy campaign. It’s just not representative of the overwhelming majority of any fan base (unless you’re asking PB about Philly fans).
This probably deserves a sobering post covering the issue…
-When I heard Bradford got hurt, I was not happy at all; I actually winced. Many fans around me started to cheer at the news and chant, “OU sucks.” I agree OU sucks, but I think it’s classless to celebrate over a serious injury, especially if it happens to a good kid like Sam Bradford. Last I checked, he hasn’t threatened anyone with a screwdriver yet. Sorry if I offend anyone who was at the stadium and participated in that celebration, but I found it distasteful. We’re better than that at Texas.
Elitist t-sips!
by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions
Let me just say this that back in Dec 2006
me and a couple buddies bought tickets to the Big 12 championship in Kansas City not knowing or even thinking there was anyway possible we could lose the last 2 games of the regular season, but decided to make the trip anyway to see OU v Neb. We all went rocking our UT gear and at least very proud of the fact that we had beaten both of those teams that year. But we ran into several OU fans who thouroughly enjoyed making fun of the fact that Colt had gotten hurt against K-State and then was carted off against A&M. They found immense joy in our misery, and Colt’s injuries.
So as my father told me Saturday night, “Son I think I’m about to convert to the Mormons.”
Wifey wore her Vince Young Titans jersey, and I my Vince Young Longhorns jersey, to see the Titans come to town and beat the Ravens. I heard a whole lot of Baltimorons telling me to go kill myself. Yep, those blue-collar roots of which they’re so proud come with a dash of Old Bay and an extra helping of class.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 8, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions
So true. I do a face palm everytime I see this at a game
When one of our players goes down with injury (or any player, for that matter), and the Godzillatron focuses on you, please don’t put on a big smile and wave and cheer. One of our guys is down there hurt while you’re gleefully waving, if you didn’t notice.
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
Not to be judgmental
but geeeezzz, there are a lot of judgmental folks on here. Sometimes you have to cut some other people some slack and hope that they were not cheering for an injury but for one of the other possible reasons suggested. You just say , ""Dude that isn’t cool, what if it was Colt" and move on. Obviously, no decent person would wish another guy player serious harm.
On a tangent-
In watching the taped OU vs. BYU game, did anyone else notice the horse collar that OU pulled and that did not get flagged? It was a long pass reception that would have been a TD except for the illegall horse collar?

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