In the Trenches - The Evolution of a Quarterback
The period of mourning is over and it's time to take a hard look at the MNC game and discover the truths about what happened so we can make honest appraisals about the Horns' prospects for 2010 and beyond. The positive story of the game for the Horns was hands down the "discovery" that Garrett Gilbert will likely be an excellent quarterback. However, in reading the nearly 1000 comments posted in the days since the game, I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about how Gilbert performed, how much or little his teammates helped him, and how Greg Davis called the game. In the process of charting the offensive plays, a different pattern emerges than that related by the quick and thoughtless columns from the mainstream media. Frankly it resembled one of those cartoons by which a fish climbs out of the water to walk on land, becoming a frog, and then a lizard, and then a mammal, and then an ape, and then a human - a rapid transformation that most football fans expect to take years, but happened in the course of 66 plays last Thursday night.
Myth #1. Greg Davis waited until late in the third quarter to open up the playbook and let Gilbert try to win the game. Truth #1. While Davis did call a conservative game for the first couple of series for Gilbert, it wasn't just running the same play over and over - there was still some scheming and a clear attempt to give Gilbert a chance to make a play. By the middle of the second quarter, GD was going for it with middle and deep routes to Shipley, Williams and Buckner.
Myth #2. If Colt had stayed in the game, our offense would have overpowered Alabama for sure. Truth #2. Mistakes by offensive linemen and receivers that have occurred all year were repeated multiply in the MNC, and field position might have led to many of the same play calls and likely outcomes for McCoy. The offense might overall have performed better, but if Colt had to deal with the same mistakes, there's no guarantee that the offense would have flourished all game. There's also no guarantee that Colt wouldn't have stared down Shipley as much as Garrett did, since Colt had a bad habit of that all season as well.
Myth #3. Gilbert was "jittery" and inaccurate until late in the third quarter, and then gained confidence. Truth #3. Gilbert's throws were accurate enough to be caught unless he was throwing into coverage, in which he almost always seemed to put the ball where only a Texas receiver could catch it. It is true he didn't always catch people in stride, but frankly he didn't deliver the ball any less accurately than Colt did in the first half of this season.
Myth #4. The collapse in the final 3 minutes of the game was due to Texas' failures in the offensive line or the playcalling. Truth #4. Give Alabama credit - they actually threw in some new defensive wrinkles that led directly to the sack and fumble and then the interception on the subsequent drive, and I'm not sure whether Colt would/could have handled these any better than Gilbert.
To back this up, I thought that after the jump I would walk through each series so we could all take a detailed look at the evolution of Garrett Gilbert and the happiness I feel in never having to watch this offensive line play again.
Drive 1. Gilbert comes in amid rampant confusion, and rather than call for a simple handoff to get Garrett in the game, Davis calls for the jet sweep, which requires the QB to catch the shotgun snap and immediately hand the ball to a full speed DJ Monroe. It's not rocket science, but it's not the safest play either. After Monroe's run to the 1, the penalty for having too many men in the backfield negates the QB sneak TD. I wouldn't blame Gilbert for that, as I've never seen a Texas formation where three receivers on the same side of the field are all in the backfield, and one of them should have realized it and made an adjustment. It was just the beginning of an overall bad game for Texas receivers not named Jordan Shipley. It was also certainly trusting of GD to assume that Gilbert could run a hurry-up offense 2 plays into the game. After two failed tries to punch it in with Cody Johnson, Davis calls play action and a rollout for Garrett. Antwan Cobb, the primary receiver is double-covered, and Gilbert makes his first real mistake when he doesn't even look for Greg Smith, who is wide open by ten yards in the back middle of the end zone.
Drive 2. After the recovery of the unfielded kickoff, Texas started on the Alabama 30. In similar field position on the previous drive, Texas had run a zone read with Newton getting outside the Bama linebackers for 16 yards. GD makes the same call to the left, but Jordan Shipley cracking back and Adam Ulatoski combined could not seal the outside LB Eryk Anders, and Newton has to cut back inside for only 3 yards. Interestingly, Gilbert made the correct read to hand off, as the opposite side DE stayed home to stop the QB run. After the identical play on second down for 3 more yards, GD shifts from 4-wide receivers to the empty set with 5 wide receivers and no back on 3rd and 4. This formation invites or even requires a blitz from the defense in that down and distance, otherwise, it's pitch and catch for 5 yards and a first down to a receiver with single coverage. So GD is opening the playbook on Gilbert's first obvious passing down. Indeed, Bama brings two blitzers, including a safety. The play call negates the pressure by rolling Gilbert out and he delivered a strike to flex TE Dan Buckner, who promptly drops the ball (although if he had caught it there was no guarantee he would have made the first down). Again Gilbert makes all the correct reads on all three plays - it's his teammates who don't execute - and the drive stalls.
Drive 3. For the first time Texas is in poor field position at its own 20 following a Bama punt. GD uses the 3WR 11 personnel (3 wide receivers plus 1 running back (Newton) plus 1 TE (Smith) The call, again conservatively, but perhaps not given the field position and modicum of success from the first three times Texas ran it, is the zone read again on first down, and this time Gilbert makes the incorrect read, as the DE crashes down the line to help stop Newton for no gain. If Gilbert had kept the ball, he could have had a 5 yard gain and possibly more. The next play is the power (I think), where RG Michael Huey is pulled to attack the DE on the left side, but whiffs completely, while Ulatoski is free to attack the LB in front of him. Newton takes a bad angle from the point of the handoff that prevents him from cutting inside Huey, and is tackled for a 3 yard loss. Now facing 3rd and 13 from the Texas 17, GD shifts back to a 4-wide set and conservatively (but maybe not considering the field position) calls a screen to Newton. Gilbert delivers the ball on time and in good position, but unfortunately (or perhaps intelligently), Bama only rushes three linemen, and Chris Hall fails to get even a little finger on Rolando McClain, allowing him to blow up Newton for a 4 yard loss. Although Gilbert did not make the right read on first down, the blocking failures of Huey and Hall doom this series in a much bigger way.
Up to this point GD has called for two runs and a pass on each of these first two series, and the pattern is clearly conservative. However, he employed an empty backfield on one third down and called a play from the Texas 17 that he might have called even if Colt was in the game. But the predictability is beginning to have its effects.
Drive 4. With a first down at the Texas 26, the pressure is now higher as Alabama just completed their only long sustained drive of the game to lead 7-6. GD switches to the Ace formation (2 TEs with a single deep back and Gilbert is under center) by inserting Tray Allen as the second TE. This formation has been a useful change of pace and invigorator of the running game against several opponents this year (especially Texas Tech and Missouri). However, poor blocking by Hall, Huey, and Hix doom the first run, and a poorly executed cut block by Tanner on second down leads to a 15 yard penalty on the second play, and the Horns face 2nd and 23. At this point GD calls his only trick play of the night with a reverse to Chiles that nets 8 yards, leaving Gilbert to face 3rd and 15 from the Texas 21. Again, given the field position, the call with any QB would have been conservative, and GD keeps 11 personnel on the field and Smith and Newton back to protect against the blitz, which is indeed employed by Bama and picked up by CharlieTanner. It's all moot, however, as Hix fails to move his feet and is flat out beaten by Bama's Courtney Upshaw, who comes within an inch of ripping Garrett's arm out of his socket and causing a fumble instead of the incompletion that actually results.
Between Hall, Huey, and Hix, there were more missed or poorly executed blocks than I care to count all night long. It certainly was not a case of teammates being able to step up and help out the freshman QB.
Drive 5. After forcing yet another Alabama punt, which was fair caught by Jordan Shipley on the Texas 15, GD goes playaction out of 11 personnel - 3 WR formation, thus breaking the pattern of 2 runs and a pass by the middle of the second quarter. Protection is good, but Gilbert only has eyes for Shipley and throws a pass at Shipley's feet into double coverage. The Horns come back with the same formation in max protect on second down, but a blitz inside Shipley by Javier Arenas on the opposite side of Gilbert from Newton is ignored by Kyle Hix, leaving Hall no one to block and Gilbert scrambling for no gain. On third down, GD goes 4 wide with Buckner in the flex TE, and Buckner is indeed wide open, but the pass to him is deflected by a superman leap by McClain. On this series, Gilbert gets too fixated on Shipley (not for the last time, and not unlike Colt) on first down but makes the right read on third down.
Drive 6. The pressure is really on now, as the comedy act known as Gideon and Robinson on the weakside of the Texas defense has just allowed Trent Richardson's 49 yard touchdown run and Bama leads 14-6. After a short kickoff, Texas has good field position on the Texas 40 for the first time in 3 series. GD goes to the jet sweep for the second time, and thanks to excellent blocks by Fozzy Whittaker and Malcolm Williams, Monroe almost breaks it for a TD and picks up 28 yards for his trouble to the Bama 32. GD then goes back to 11 personnel and the zone stretch play with Fozzy, who cuts back inside, for a change, for 5 yards. After two successful runs GD decides that the Horns are on a roll and calls playaction, with the target being Malcolm Williams. Protection is great, and Gilbert delivers a ball over and inside double coverage to where only Williams can get it. Unfortunately, Williams drops it, despite making identical catches twice against Nebraska at critical moments, and twice against A&M. More evidence that it just wasn't the Horns' night. On third down, Gilbert makes probably his second-worst play of the night, as he does not see a wide open Dan Buckner and instead tries to force the ball to Jordan Shipley. Javier Arenas reads his eyes and jumps the route, thus ending the Horns' only threat of the second quarter.
A freshman QB just can't be expected to make the right reads on third down every time - if Malcolm makes that catch, then the game changes. But clearly, even in the second quarter, GD is "going for it" with Gilbert, even in a way that he rarely did with Colt, who seldom threw the ball "up" for Williams to go and get.
Drive 7. Bama downs their punt on the Texas 2. Again, the playbook is likely reduced by field position more than Garrett's inexperience. Gilbert sneaks for 2 yards on first down (thereby to avoid the Texas Tech debacle from 2008 and the near-debacle in the Big 12 Championship game this year. Texas goes with the Ace package again and an inside power run for 3 yards, setting up 3rd and 5 at the Texas 7. Gilbert gets good protection finally and gives a great pump fake setting up Shipley's tremendous double move. Gilbert just overthrows Shipley, but his footwork and delivery were confident.
Drive 8. Getting the ball back with only 22 seconds left after Bama took the short Texas punt down for a field goal to make it 17-6, again the coaches believe in Gilbert and go for it. After Newton runs a zone stretch for 9 yards to the Texas 37, GD calls the now infamous shovel pass. A detailed look at the play in slow motion reveals that Gilbert threw the ball in the right way at the right time given the pressure, but Charlie Tanner failed to even slow DE B. Deaderick from getting into DJ Monroe's legs just as the ball got there, which led to the juggling act and Marcel Dareus' romp. Blame who you want, but don't blame Gilbert or his inexperience.
Drive 9. Mack Brown likes to get the ball to start the second half, and there is definitely a feeling that Gilbert has to get it going now, or the game could get ugly. Texas starts on their own 27 after a confused kickoff return. Newton cuts back a zone stretch play out of 4-wide formation, rather than 11 personnel, for 9 yards. GD runs the same play again and bad move, the DE crashes the cutback lane, and Newton suffers a 2-yard loss. However, Gilbert delivers on third down for 3 yards to Shipley after Marquise Goodwin ran off the coverage. This is the first converted third down of the game for the Longhorns. Hopped up on success, GD goes playaction on first down from the 37, but Ulatoski fails to even acknowledge a blitzing LB and Gilbert has to rush the throw. Malcolm Williams drops his second pass. On second down, Chris Hall finds himself out of position for perhaps the tenth time and gets called for a leg whip personal foul, giving Texas 2nd and 25 from their 22. Interestingly, Hall leaves the game permanently here and is replaced by David Snow. In the booth, Kirk Herbstreit warns of trouble with having a new center with a freshman QB - to Gilbert's and Snow's credit, this is never an issue. In any case, GD goes for it with an empty set, which induces a 3 on 2 blitz over Michael Huey from Rolando McClain and another pass batted down by the Bama line. On the seemingly impossible 3rd and 25, Gilbert delivers a beautifully timed and leading screen pass to Marquise Goodwin, who takes it 40 yards thanks to terrific blocking by Malcolm Williams. With a whole new lease on life, GD shifts back to 4-wide set and calls a zone stretch play, but Newton trips over Gilbert's feet getting the handoff. The bungling continues on second down with a false start penalty on Adam Ulatoski. On 2nd and 17 from the Bama 45, Gilbert tries to hang it up on another double move up route, this time to Goodwin, but the coverage is terrific and Gilbert just throws the ball away. GD goes to the empty set once again, but Gilbert's pass to a wide open James Kirkendoll is batted down by a blitzing safety coming free around Ulatoski's side because of the line shift to pickup the blitz by 2 LB's on either side of Michael Huey.
It's clear that Gilbert throws a much better timed and placed ball on that screen pass to Goodwin than does Colt, in my opinion. But once again, a promising drive is stymied by offensive line mistakes.
Drive 10. After the Horns' defense holds Bama to a 3-and-out, Texas gets the ball back at their own 33. Using a 4-wide set with the flex TE, Gilbert scrambles for 4 yards on first down. Off playaction on second down, Malcolm Williams drops his third pass, one delivered low and outside to avoid coverage. Giving Bama a dose of their own medicine, Shipley runs a crossing pattern off a John Chiles "pick" and Gilbert delivers a strike for 12 yards and the first down. GD goes to the well once too often with the jet sweep, which a well-timed blitz takes down for -5 yards. Out of 3-wide 11 personnel, Gilbert delivers a bit high to an open Shipley, who drops the ball. GD keeps the same formation on 3rd and 15, and Gilbert throws a ump and go to Chiles, who gives up on the route and stops running.
Gilbert is handling himself well in the pocket and delivering decent balls, but as in so many other drives, the receivers are not making plays.
Drive 11. Another Bama 3-and-out, another Texas first down in decent field position at their 47. Texas runs their "pseudo-counter," which is stuffed because Tanner is too slow. On 2nd and 10, Gilbert finally tries to dump off to Newton, but the Tide have been waiting for this by spying Newton out of the backfield on every play. The pass is awkward and Newton drops it on purpose to avoid a loss. On 3rd down, GD goes to the empty set again, but Alabama only rushes three and Gilbert smartly throws the ball away.
At this point, despite the late hour and the score, I could see the growing maturity and patience of Gilbert. I commented to one of the friends I watched the game with, "If I was Alabama, I would be getting very worried about now."
Drive 12. After yet ANOTHER Bama 3-and-out, Texas once again has good field position at its 41. After two ineffective running plays and facing a 3rd and 6, GD went yet again to the empty set with 5 wide receivers, and Gilbert again made a perfectly timed pass on the WR screen to Goodwin for 13 yards. Perhaps because of Gilbert's huge success at throwing that screen, the middle of the field began to open up. After yet another pass batted down from a CB blitz on first down, GD went back to 4-wide, Newton and the line picked up an interior safety blitz and a delayed blitz by McClain, and Gilbert threw a beautiful ball in stride to Shipley for the 44 yard touchdown.
Wow. Our future. I'm not sure Colt has made that good of a throw on a deep ball in his career. Hope.
Drive 13. This drive should be labeled the "uncalled pass interference" drive. Twice Gilbert made good throws, one to Shipley on first down and the other to Malcolm Williams on third down, that might have been caught except for contact prior to the arrival of the ball. There was little to complain about on this drive other than the officiating.
Drive 14. This drive began on the Texas 35 after the missed Bama field goal, and proved to be the longest of the game. Playcalling was vintage Texas for this year, and Gilbert began to complete throws to more receivers than Shipley. Perhaps because of the long touchdown in the third quarter, the underneath routes opened up. 3 yards to Shipley, 6 to Newton, and another QB sneak out of the Ace formation for the first down. Gilbert displayed the pocket presence to scramble for no gain, then hit Shipley over the middle for 6. On 3rd and 4, the offensive line once again decided to be unhelpful as Michael Huey had a false start. But then Gilbert calmly hit Shipley in stride over the middle for 14 and a first down. 3rd down conversions were piling up. GD then went to the empty set again, but the blitz forced Gilbert to throw early to Williams. But Gilbert came right back in a 4-wide set and hit Shipley on yet another cross for 12 yards and the first down. A WR screen to Buckner was not blocked well and lost 4 yards. At this point, Gilbert had hit Shipley on 4 crossing patterns on the drive, and on second down, out of the empty set again, Shipley faked yet another cross but yanked out of it and headed for the end zone. The Bama safety was late getting over because he had bit on the inside route as well. Easy pickings for Gilbert, who showed great touch on the 22-yard TD pass. Then, in perhaps his finest bit of quarterbacking of the night, Gilbert shifted the pocket right, looked at Shipley right, and then came back to Dan Buckner in the middle of the end zone for the 2 point conversion to make it 24-21 and to begin acid reflux for the Bama faithful.
Gilbert was taking what the defense gave him, throwing away some balls to avoid sacks, hitting short routes to move the chains and finally delivering the knockout strike on the double move. Texas you have a quarterback.
Drive 15. Starting on the Texas 7 for the potential winning drive, Gilbert's strong play continued on first down with a 5 yard pass to Kirkendoll to get some breathing room. Feeling confident, GD dialed up the empty set again. For the first time in the game, Bama blitzed 3, which meant that every receiver had 1-on-1 coverage, but that someone was coming free. That turned out to be Eryk Anders off the edge. It looked like a mistake, but Texas chose to block the interior two blitzers, hoping that it would take Anders long enough to get to Gilbert that Gilbert could release the ball. Unfortunately, Gilbert watched Shipley too long because Bama decided to leave Goodwin uncovered and doubled Shipley. Too late, Anders arrived, and the rest is history.
Complain all you want, but the defense on that play was an all out gamble that, had Gilbert recognized Goodwin a half-second earlier, might have opened up the entire field. That gamble was created by using the empty set. It was an all-in wager at the poker table after which the river card turned up the fourth ace for the opponent. Maybe GD saw that he needed to generate a few big plays rather than assume that Gilbert could make all the correct decisions to move the football 93 yards in 3 minutes, 5 yards at a time. Sometimes you just have to go for it, and for my money, it was great to see the buttoned down GD throw his statistics out the window, win or lose.
So I totaled it up, in 40 pass plays, Gilbert made the wrong read or didn't have good pocket presence 8 times. His receivers dropped 5 balls, including a touchdown. Including those (and the interception Williams' TD catch would have prevented) with two bad official's calls and excluding his forced passes into coverage at the end would have given him a more respectable line: 21 of 37 for 2 touchdowns and 1 interception for a true freshman with no experience in the MNC game. GD built him up steadily and gradually, and tried to keep him out of trouble in bad field position until it was crunch time. 11 mistakes (missed blocks or penalties) by the offensive line put Gilbert in countless 2nd and 3rd and long situations and accounted for the shovel pass debacle. Of course any team will make some of those mistakes, but it seemed like Texas made way too many. Given the drops, penalties, and his inexperience, it was an incredible performance.
On a final note, I sincerely hope that the young offensive linemen recruited by the Horns last year are athletically better and mentally tougher than the returning starters Huey and Hix or it's going to be a frustrating season for Gilbert. As I see it now, Texas needs one of the newbies at left tackle because no one we've seen can fill the bill. Next year's starters will be Tray Allen at LG, David Snow at C, Huey at RG, and Hix at RT. If the coaches move Hix to left tackle, Connor Wood or Sherrod Harris better get warmed up, because Hix doesn't have quick enough feet to deal with blind side speed rushers. There's no point in even talking about depth because Luke Poehlman is not going to cut it, even if Britt Mitchell might function at right tackle. Still, I believe Allen and Snow are significant raw talent upgrades over Tanner and Hall, so there is hope.
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A few things
First of all, fantastic post. Great, great stuff.
Second, the Malcolm Williams drop in the end zone literally happened right in front of me, to the extent that there weren’t more than 100 people in the stadium who could see it as well as I could. Not sure what the television replay showed, but the ball was tipped right before it hit his hands. Not by much — maybe not visible on TV, I don’t know — but it was tipped. Whether Malcolm would have caught it had it not been tipped, who knows (given the rest of his night, the odds don’t seem great). But the Bama player just got there in time to slide a finger on the ball. When I post my Rose Bowl video in a day or two, you’ll see from my seats what I mean about my having a great angle on that play.
Third, I’m in the middle of a post with many thoughts that appear in this post, but your drive by drive really helps illuminate the issues — good and bad — about both Gilbert’s and Davis’s night.
You ain't hurt.
PB I've watched the replay 100x
on TiVo and there’s no way Marquis Johnson tipped it before it got to Williams. The camera angle is perfect. He slaps at the ball but Williams is already missing the catch by that point.
+1 to Kwix
it looked to me like Malcolm simply jumped too early, which threw off his timing for the catch
Thanks PB
I’m sure we will love to see your video and take on the game from inside the stadium. One thing the TV cameras couldn’t capture well was the feeling inside the stadium when Colt went down and Gilbert came in.
I'm sure I wasn't as close as you...
…but I could see from row 46 that it was tipped.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
If it hits your hands, you're supposed to catch it.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
The first drive sealed it
The illegal formation was a killer. Texas could not move the ball six yards.
If your running game cannot pick up six yards in four tries, then you are not going win many games.
When Alabama got inside the Texas 5, the Tide had no trouble running the ball into the endzone.
I enjoyed this post. The five myths are interesting and thought provoking.
I am not sure if this team was as good as last year’s team. As your post noted, there were a lot of mistakes by the O-line and the receivers, mistakes that were made consistently all season. Receivers not named Jordan Shipley need to spend time on route running and catching.
Are the O-line problems reflective of a deeper and more systemic issue? Is it a recruiting issue? Conditioning? Scheme? I do not know. Were those issues masked by VY’s near super-human abilities? Were those issues covered up by Major Applewhite’s play making skills? I do not know. This year, though, the O-line problems hurt the team from start to finish.
the offensive line's issues
are a mix of recruiting and coaching. The issues were discussed in depth last spring over at Barking Carnival, but to summarize, the line has a mixture of physical types that are either less than stellar in the Denver Broncos style zone/cut blocking scheme Texas uses to run the ball or less than stellar in pass protection. Some things are mysterious, such as why Michael Huey gets physically dominated so thoroughly and so often, or why Tanner often doesn’t recognize which defender to block (although he did get better as the season progressed). Some of the guys have been around so long (Ulatoski) that there is detailed film of how to beat him, and this (or an unpublicized injury) may explain why he seemed to regress over the season.
Big Roy has commented repeatedly about the overall athletic ability of the 5 linemen recruited last year and who redshirted this year and the two coming next year. Snow and Allen are athletically superior to the starters this year, but Snow is much better at center than at guard, and Allen just needs more game experience. britt Mitchell has shown some potential in limited action at RT this year, but there is no way that Hix will be the answer at LT next year. Someone, perhaps Mason Walters, is going to have to step up and fill those shoes.
The run-blocking needs to de-emphasize cut blocking because it just isn’t working. I can count on one hand the number of successfully executed cut blocks that made a difference this year. There are alternatives.
Line coaching the key
Outside of Allen and Snow the current linemen were big, slow as well as…okay I’ll flat out say it… terribly coached. Not good qualities for any offensive line but especially one that zone blocks. They look like they lack football smarts but I’m not buying that and to me it’s perfectly understandable that Jake Matthews didn’t come here. Hix will not play left tackle (he has a rough time at right tackle) and I hope the new guys step up because the running game will make us or break us next year…and I’m done bashing the line for the year.
I thought Greg Davis did a superb job most of the game, except…
I haven’t rerun the game yet but I might take issue with Myth 4. Play calling includes formations, and the empty set inside the 10 with 3 minutes left was a bonehead formation. No way Gilbert ever finds the fifth read against ’Bama. Anything less than 10 or 11 personnel is a waste of receivers (side note- how important do Mike Davis and Darius White look now?). Although the line squeezed the protection inside on that play I almost remember our left tackle ending up blocking free space on the play rather than switching off to the blitzing will.
Very nice analysis though, strong on giving credit and responsibility proper due.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 11, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
empty set
I’m strongly considering doing a separate column on the value (or lack thereof) of the empty set. But for now, I’ll just say that going 5 wide spreads out the defense to create single coverage. Even with 4 WR and an extra back to block, the defense has 7 guys to cover 4 receivers. With 5 wide, that goes to 7 to cover 5, leaving 3 receivers in single coverage. In the case of empty set at the 12, my first reaction was, “are you crazy?” I even planned to write a post about it. But after I watched the game again and charted what happened on other plays when Texas went empty. The plan was to ignore 3 of the WR – they were there just to get the defense spread out. The read was to either the hot route (Goodwin) if the defenders protected deep or to launch to Shipley in single coverage. All of those are good things that come from an empty set. In 4-wide, Bama could still have a safety over the top of that action, as they did later when Gilbert was intercepted by Arenas in an attempt to force the ball into Kirkendoll. But, as you say, the empty set will almost always be blitzed, and the offense has to at least slow down the blitz, even to the point that the center has to check behind and make sure there is not an edge rusher to chip or slow down. Ultimately, Gilbert was confused by the double coverage on Shipley and took too long to get rid of the football.
I'll do my best Thayer Evans bit
after rerunning that play and retract what I said about Ulatoski, he actually got a decent block on the play. Tanner had free space on the play due to the protection call. Buckner was in the flex and the only one in position to chip Anders, not his assignment. I agree, ultimately it’s on Gilbert for this one… unless…(humor me for a second here)
you hold a back in with a route option. Understand the numbers mismatch concept of five wide but couldn’t you can use the same concept with a back coming out of the backfield (Tre Newton=Dan Buckner only two yards back, shifted) if there is no blitz? You might get him in coverage with a LB, too. Gives you more options, especially in that situation where you know our line’s history (not their fault this time) and Bama’s tendencies to blitz. That was, to the line’s credit, the first sack of the game… five seconds after Herbstreit mentioned that the line had given up no sacks. I hold him responsible.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 11, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
a back route option
Alabama defeated that one by often showing a blitzing LB, who then pulled out a spied for QB scrambles or backs running routes out of the backfield. Given Texas’ reticence to throw to the backs this year, this merely had the effect of drawing a protection assignment which was then not needed. It’s true a running back should have an advantage in single coverage, but for the Longhorns this year, that just wasn’t used very often, probably because the coaches had faith that the QB (McCoy) could make the quick throw. Given that Gilbert will likely be looking for more intermediate and deep routes, having a good checkdown to RBs may be a key part of the evolving Texas offense.
Excellent points all
I’d be willing to trade the extra protection assignment for insurance in the backfield and a potential quick dumpoff in those situations. Plus the threat of the run in other situations. It’’s all on the quarterback in the empty set, too much pressure for a freshman in that situation. Personally of course. Again, excellent points.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 11, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
After watching him play who do you think Gilbert will turn out to be most like?
Chris Simms
Vince Young
Major Applewhite
Matthew Stafford
Jevan Snead
He’s really nothing like Vince Young, and while Major was awesome, I really have higher hopes for Gilbert as a pure passer with mobility than any of those other guys ever were. Stafford had a good, strong arm, great size, and other great QB traits, but he made boneheaded mistakes left and right. Simms and Snead fit a similar description. Major had the leadership and moxie, and he didn’t make the big mistakes often, if ever.
The perfect QB would have the will and athleticism of Vince Young, the arm of Stafford, and the field vision and conscientiousness of Major. I don’t think Gilbert has any one of those in the bag, but he could be close on the Stafford and Major parts at some point, and he could be at least mobile enough to represent a threat.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 7:13 AM CST reply actions
I guess that sums up where I was going with that.
I can’t think of any proficient passers with decent mobility who piled up sick statistics and won championships. There just aren’t any in my lifetime, I don’t think. I guess one could go back to Baugh, Plunkett, or Staubach.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, we just have to hope Gilbert doesn't play like a bonehead then
Stafford made a lot of head-scratching plays, both good and bad. That kind of inconsistency can help a Jay Cutler put his team in a position to upset better teams, but also is the reason such wins were considered upsets in the first place.
Take Stafford and add consistency, good decisions, and championships…sure, I’d be happy if Gilbert did that!
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
The one thing GD does absolutely well
is coach quarterbacks. I think it was the basis for his ability to call a great game to bring Gilbert along. Gilbert’s already aware of taking what the defense gives you and throwing the ball away to save a drive. His issues going forward are to learn to recognize coverages quicker, to diversify his receiver portfolio, quicken his release, and to look off safeties. I have high hopes, as there are still NFL quarterbacks learning to do all these, and Gilbert’s had one game. For these reasons, I think Gilbert will become a much better QB at Texas than Matthew Stafford ever will be in the NFL.
Excellent post--thanks for the breakdown...
It explains in detail the problems I have had since the game with those in our camp saying we win in a walk if Colt stays in the game. I saw the same things you did—our season-long issues in the OL and with WR’s besides Shipley made obvious by a very good Alabama defense.
Spring practice as "the man" will help gilbert and his receivers
Although GG didn’t throw a lot of passes this year, it always looked like he threw too hard. He at least threw differently than Colt. Spring practices will give Gilbert’s receivers a chance to adjust to this difference in timing, speed and placement. By fall I expect fewer drops. I don’t put this on either the receivers or the QB but the difference in touch on those passes definitely affects “catchability”. The future looks bright.
Pete Gardere?
Our only QB to go 4-0 vs OU.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Little late for that
Gilbert’s only going to get three chances, at a maximum. :(
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe if he beats them bad enough, it will feel like 4-0
by future_longhorn_dad on Jan 11, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
That would suffice!
3-0 by big margins, and setting up whichever QB wins the job for the post-Gilbert era (Wood, McCoy, or a 2011 recruit, most likely), would be terrific.
Gilbert threw four picks against Alabama, but I think Texas should be good enough on defense that an undefeated regular season could realistically happen in 2010.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Well, two picks were freak picks
one was the shuttle pass that just imploded, and the last one was a double tip on our part, i think it his both buckner and williams before it landed in the bama DB arms. They were in the right place at the right time.
by future_longhorn_dad on Jan 11, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
You put any QB in that situation and he's liable to throw picks
You’re down by 20, in the NC game, there’s going to be a little of “forcing” the ball. Like the post said, the pick by Arenas was really one of the few bad reads by Gilbert on the night, and he was playing against a top 10 pass defense.
Is there such thing as pass interference on a shuttle pass?
It looked like DJ was hit and actually knocked into the ball as it was coming to him.
by orangetower on Jan 11, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I agree completely....
You seen first hand that our QB is no world beater, but efficient. You guys have a stout defense, some hellacious playmakers, and a QB that has more talent than McElroy hands down. I fully expect to see you guys in the NC next year. I just hope Bama can get there too.
by AlltheGreatQBs on Jan 12, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
It'll be tough to get the respect, I think
Because while Texas could just mow through the schedule on pure defense, the perception of the Big 12 is such that stifling defense within the conference is not respected, and anything less than a 40pts.-per-game offense isn’t either.
But if there are only two undefeated BCS teams, and Texas is one of them, yeah, I think the odds are on their side.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
I wasnt around here when GD had Vince to work with
All I’ve seen is what he had done with Colt and now Garrett for 1 game. Do you get the impression that GD likes having Garrett on the field rather than Colt, or was it just because of the importance of the game? Seems like all season GD coached so conservative, except for Mizzou, and Okie Lite; I thought when the Colt gameplan went out the window, GD would go ultra-conservative and we would go nowhere, but, he opened things up and allowed Garrett to play, and we got to see the pure raw talent that Garrett possesses.
by future_longhorn_dad on Jan 11, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions
That was a nice illustration but not proof of your contention.
That the outcome of the game would have been no different if McCoy had not been hurt.
The season actually shows what happens when Colt is in, Gilbert 1 loss Colt 13 wins.
My guess it is some harder to define leadership/confidence/experience/game knowledge/ that McCoy has over Gilbert at this stage that would have operated the offense so it executed more efficiently.
Both QB’s worked with the same line all year so McCoy has a way to negate that Gilbert does not, the mistake the offensive line makes.
In 13 games McCoy has shown he does over come all the mistakes the offense makes that are just like the ones you have pointed out so well, to put together a performance that is enough to wins games. Based on the fact that the Horns were competitive even after losing the most important player on their team (who is the winingest QB in college history) and playing with a QB who has never won a game in college and is far less experienced, in the biggest football game of the Year that the Horns would have more than a good chance of wining.
good point
but I never meant to say that the offense wouldn’t have performed better in the game (in fact I said they very well might). McCoy may very well have helped the line to understand their blocking assignments better and the receivers might not have dropped his softer balls. But I do believe that it would not have been a romp.
It wouldn't have been a romp, Alabama is to good
But if the Horns were up 10 zip and Alabama had to play from behind and both the Alabama offense and defense taking chances out side of their preferred style of play, it would have made them far more vulnerable and easier to defend and to attack on offense.
I am with you, very optimistic about Gilbert, he looked really good. I have the same doubts about the offensive line, if they don’t get better it will another year of no running game and an offense that relies on the talent at QB and others to make it go. We have good running backs. They are just not so overwhelming talented they can run passed or over defensive linemen who are not blocked properly.
Myths and Analysis
I usually enjoy and agree with your posts. And for the record, I went to TCU. But most of your myth section and game analysis seems to conclude that there is no difference between the highly decorated leader and MVP of the entire team (a 4 year starter, 45 wins, a 70% completion percentage, a proven run option and key cog to a unit that averaged almost 45 points per game) and a true freshman who was probably an afterthought during the BCS championship game preparations.
Sorry, it makes no sense in football or even business terms. You don’t replace MVPs and expect the same or even similar results – take away Tebow you lose, take away Bradford you lose, take away Manning you lose, Take away Steve Jobs yyou lose. See the pattern?
Both Colt and Mack said Colt was “hot” and seeing everything they expected to see from Alabama. I beleive them. How may times have you seen the notoroiusly slow starting Horns start a first half drive the way they did on the 7th?
The core of your argument seems to be that the O-Line and Greg Davis are the common denominators so not much else would have mattered or that Colt could not bridge gaps any better that Gilbert. Come on…
There is a little thing called ability (see stats above) and leadership (see Vince Young). Colt may not be Vince but he, like Vince, consistently overcame the team’s shortcomings and willed them forward. And he looked like he was well on his way to doing it again when he got hurt .
The complextion of the game changes entirely for Alabama if they are playing down 14 to 0.
Gilbert will be great but he can’t replace McCoy in a pinch. He’ll need at least a year and a strong running game
by DOC H. on Jan 11, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I enjoyed the analysis. It makes me feel better about Gilbert and Davis both. However, I think it was a little hard on the O line and receivers. You can’t assume the same mistakes would have been made it McCoy were in the game. More than most other sports, football is a mental and emotional game, highly influenced by concentration and confidence and momentum. Losing McCoy that early and the uncertainty of whether he would come back had to have an emotional impact on the players and coaches. Players were likely distracted and discouraged. Some may have made mistakes because they were trying too hard. Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle the day before the game wrote, “McCoy holds the key…If he plays well, Texas will win. He is the one guy who can make up for some of the Longhorn flaws that have been exposed this last month.” That pretty well says it all.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Coaching moves
Is there any chance McWorter gets reassigned or let go? I agree with everything you’re saying about the OL’s inability to, well, block. And I believe coaching is a big part of that. I’ll withhold complaints directed at Davis for another day, but their ineptitude has to start somewhere. Most of these kids were highly touted coming out of high school.
Peyton Manning should have been an option for the Poll.
I felt like this was setting you up to make a bad choice.
"The best decision I ever made was coming to Texas," James said. "The second-best decision was coming back."
One thing Gilbert has already done that Peyton never did:
Garrett Gilbert has played for the national championship.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Myths
Great write up. Not sure you will find many people that agree with disproving Myth #1, as I was there and rewatched the game and that is simply what happend. GD handcuffed Gilbert and put him in a position to where he was not able to have success. There is not myth to that and it is a fact as plain as day. Agree with the rest.
Don't attribute that to GD
Attribute the handcuffing to Mack. He said that they wanted GG to be able to ease into things, and not take a lot of chances.
I’m not sure why there’s a tendency to blame GD for anything that goes wrong, and credit anyone else for anything that goes right, but GD is not the root of all evil.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
GD is not the culprit here
What would you have him do in that situation? Open up and throw the ball downfield immediately when GG came in? It was not handcuffing, it was protecting the ball. You could see Gilbert develop through the game, Davis is a master at this. Davis did not commit penalties, blow blocking assignments or fail to pick up blitzes. I’d be looking real hard in another direction for responsibility for these.
I do think the empty set on the blindside fumble was a bonehead formation call that invited a sack but overall Davis put us in a position to win with three minutes left with a true freshman albeit very talented young quarterback.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 11, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Good points about GD
While this excellent analysis raises questions as to how conservative GD was with Gilbert in the first half, one legitimate reason for it was that early on they presuambly did not know whether McCoy would be able to come back. Thus they didn’t want to take chances, just keep it close until McCoy could return.
My other point of agreement with burnorangehorna and SpiritoftheFedora is that it is unfair to criticize Greg Davis unless we know how much freedom Mack Brown gives him. Since everything GD does is at some level “approved” by Brown, it is manifestly unfair to simultaneously criticize GD and praise MB.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Yes, I would have had GG throw down field from the get-go
Alabama’s secondary was their weakness. Running the ball was ours. Whether it was Mack or Greg handcuffing Gilbert, he wasn’t allowed to throw until 3rd and long until the 2nd half. Even Colt or Vince would have a hard time succeeding in those circumstances.
Not Really True
Alabama’s secondary was their weakness.
I don’t think you can really say this when they are 10th in the country at passing defense and have an All American at corner.
Whether it was Mack or Greg handcuffing Gilbert, he wasn’t allowed to throw until 3rd and long until the 2nd half
Go read drive #6, the deep ball to Williams was on 2nd down.
Even Colt or Vince would have a hard time succeeding in those circumstances.
Vince will always succeed no matter what the circumstances.
So you're saying their secondary was better than their DL or linebackers?
I stand corrected – there was one 1st/2nd down pass in the 1st half. No handcuffing whatsoever.
I am not saying anything, but that you are wrong
I stand corrected – there was one 1st/2nd down pass in the 1st half. No handcuffing whatsoever.
Actually there were five, two by McCoy and three by Gilbert
Vince is Superman
but that doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be hard for him.
And he would have likely done it with his legs. He succeeded in spite of his coaches.
This also is not true
He succeeded in spite of his coaches.
Vince made great strides from the running threat he started as to the, IMO, most dangerous QB in college history. To believe that he did that, not only without any coaching support, but in spite of the coaching he received makes no sense.
He was a prolific runner and passer in high school
Opinions don’t have to do with “right” or “wrong” or “true.”
The coaches were a detrement in many ways to Vince’s success, IMO. I didn’t say he had zero coaching support – your words. You are neither right nor wrong in defending our OC. But not everyone thinks Davis is great.
I a troubled by the idea that there is no right or wrong or true for opinions
While on the face of it is seems like a reasonable stance, in that everyone is entitled to their opinion and without differing opinions there would be no point in discourse at all. Then again, you can’t just not question opinions. If someone said that Oklahoma was the greatest state in the union, that would be their opinion, but it would be wrong. Maybe true was not the best choice of words, as that implies that it is a question of fact. So while your opinion may not be true or false, I think it is without merit because the facts seem to contradict it.
Garrett
Garrett will have first year starter growing pains just like the kid at USC (Barkley) this year or Landry Jones at OU, but a stud defense and strong running game will have him ready by to perform at a championship level by game 7 or 8.
If he has to be the STAR and team leader right away, ala Colt or Vince, it probably won’t be a good thing. He’ll get every team’s best shot if the offense revolves around him righ away.
He has all the tools to be a super star but nothing beats a handful of games with real bullets flying.
Watching GG in the second half
Wow. Our future. I’m not sure Colt has made that good of a throw on a deep ball in his career. Hope
On GG’s first TD throw to Shipley, I don’t know if Colt makes that throw.
I was like, holy shit, we’ve got a pro QB in the pocket.
That kid’s ceiling is sky high. Big two questions for next year are:
1. What happens to the O-Line? Is is still bad, or addition by subtraction?
2. Can anyone step up and fill Shipley’s spot? Or will his talent gap be covered by a combination of receivers improving ( Williams / Goodwin / Kirk )
interesting questions
To the first – see my “the offensive line’s issues” comment above
To the second, the answer is I think this is a real issue. Shipley was so great because he caught everything and was devastatingly quick (hence his killer double moves) but had enough speed to get away from coverage. Texas has a lot of speed coming back in the form of Goodwin and Williams, but Goodwin is likely to miss spring football and the summer 7 on 7’s as he pursues his training in the long jump. Williams is the best chance for a #1, but he needs to catch 500 balls a day under duress, with people leaning on him, whacking at his arms, etc. Chiles and Kirkendoll will have their roles and have speed but not enough quickness to separate from defenders. In my mind, the slot receiver position is open for DeSean Hales or a freshman (Mike Davis might be best suited) to take. But likely the coaches will spend the first six games trying to turn Chiles and Kirkendoll into something they are not, only to find out how much this is true against athletic defenders (OU, Nebraska). I think will be another issue of contention between fans, Mack and GD next fall
by burnt in ny on Jan 11, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Good Points NY and great post...
I agree with the Mike Davis angle. The door is open for this guy to contribute early and often. If he can show he can catch a Gilbert slant with consistency then he has to get some serious looks. He has speed, a near 50 inch verticle jump, and is a playmaker. Someone needs to show thay can catch a Gilbert hardball, if not then let’s go to Lake Travis and get some of his highschool buddies who aren’t afraid of it.
I am done with John Chiles. He quit. National TV, MNC Game, and he just flat gave up on the route. It wasn’t the first time he has done it this year, but none stood out more than that one. He should surrender his number to Gilbert and go sell lemonade.
I couldn't agree more about Chiles
He is what he is – an athlete who is not a football player and who has no position`
I agree on Chiles.
Immediately after that play, I said ‘send him to the defense. He’s done on offense.’
He won't even finish routes.
Wildcat was perfect for him but they couldn’t make it work.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 11, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
How's his punting leg?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jan 11, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Dropped passes
Truth #2. Mistakes by offensive linemen and receivers that have occurred all year were repeated multiply in the MNC, and field position might have led to many of the same play calls and likely outcomes for McCoy. The offense might overall have performed better, but if Colt had to deal with the same mistakes, there’s no guarantee that the offense would have flourished all game. There’s also no guarantee that Colt wouldn’t have stared down Shipley as much as Garrett did, since Colt had a bad habit of that all season as well.
Truth#3. Gilbert’s throws were accurate enough to be caught unless he was throwing into coverage, in which he almost always seemed to put the ball where only a Texas receiver could catch it. It is true he didn’t always catch people in stride, but frankly he didn’t deliver the ball any less accurately than Colt did in the first half of this season.
I disagree here. It’s all about quarterback-wide receiver chemistry. While Gilbert’s throws might have been accurate in that they were catchable, think about the perspective of the WR. In Gilbert’s throws, you’re seeing the ball from a different release point due to the difference in Colt/GG’s height, along with their throwing motion. Then, they’re receiving the ball at a different velocity, arc, and spiral than that of McCoy’s throws. All this adds up to a significant difference given the magnitude of a championship environment with Alabama’s defense.
I’d be interested in finding out how many snaps Gilbert had with the 1st string this past month. I doubt not many. Clearly we put all the chips on McCoy leading this team to a championship. It worked out in 2005 since VY never got injured. Even throughout the season, I think Texas made an effort to allow McCoy to put up Heisman-good numbers at the expense of limiting Gilbert’s development.
While the receiving corps looked rather embarrassing outside of Shipley, Goodwin, and the 2pt conversion, I’m optimistic a full off-season with Gilbert and his receivers will make our passing game once again a high-powered, dangerous attack the Big 12 will have to deal with.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 11, 2010 11:13 AM CST reply actions
Considering the situation the year before for substitute QBs
I think GG got a lot of work, whole fourth quarters at times. Much more than year before last for Chiles and Harris. I never felt that the staff went out of the way to puff up Colt’s numbers. Some of you numbers gurus could sniff that out. In the tough middle four game stretch Texas seem to go out of its way to rest players, including Colt.
I do think GG has a different – and harder – harder touch than Colt. Part of that might have been the situation, a little over throwing to make sure he stuck it in there. He’s got a longer wind-up as well, which needs to be cut down for short passes, but an overall quick release. VY, if you remember, threw short passes like most people throw darts.
Agree with most of your points
although I think the OL was much better this game. We were never going to run the ball on Alabama. We did do a great job of protecting the QB. I think they deserve a lot of credit. The sad thing is that I think they deserve this credit for overachieving. Ideally, at Texas, our OL would be dominate. Unfortunately that is not the case here. This needs to be a top priority come spring. If they don’t improve next year it could get ugly. Disagree with your Malcom Williams observation. He just flat dropped that TD. I love the kid. I believe he is one of most talented receivers we have ever had, but big time players make big plays in big games. He is no Santana Moss. I am a little scared of our WR’s next year. We don’t have a # 1. We need those freshman to learn quick. Hook ’em.
Question for Burnt in NY (and others)
Given the persistent rumors about McWhorter’s impending retirement, who would be a likely successor?
Since 2006 the offensive line has harshed my longhorn football mellow with a bit more consistency than I think appropriate.
proud to swim home
You're leveraging a whole line situation
of which McWhorter is just a part. Don’t have a clue as to possible successors, but it would be a damn good time to address some of the continuing problems there. Problems that coaches said would be addressed last spring, then summer…ad nauseum…and it will probably continue to rise like Davy Jones scum until it gets resolved.
And “harshed my longhorn football mellow”…did you fall into a colloquial tar pit and get gobbledygooked by goobers?
Having discoursed with some of our recent visitors from the old confederacy
The answer can only be yes to the second part. Powers of speech should return shortly.
As to the first? I’m not sure how much further it may rise, Whills, before it is outside the Earth’s gravitational pull.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jan 11, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
On a seperate note, does anyone know if Dan Neil is coaching anywhere?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Jan 11, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Ohhhh, good on orbital green goo. Cyanobacteria are meant to rule.
Well, I’d like the nastiness a Dan Neil would bring to the situation.
Evolution
Evolution takes time. Even in a fast moving sport like football, it takes a player more than a single game to ‘evolve’. Yet how often have we heard how much Garrett Gilbert improved during the course of the game, that he went from an incompetent newbie to the next great QB in less than 3 hours.
That’s just not possible. You can gain confidence and maybe get a couple of pointers from the coaches, but you don’t make quantum leaps in a single game. I would contend that the Gilbert we saw in the comeback run was exactly the same guy that got off to the bad start and collapsed at the end. Same abilities, same experience, same preparations.
I fully expect he will get lots better over the Spring and that he will be able to draw lessons from his experience in the big game. But that will take time.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
I would agree for the long term
His issues going forward are to learn to recognize coverages quicker, to diversify his receiver portfolio, quicken his release, and to look off safeties.
From my earlier comment.
However, I think we learned today that he is a quarterback and not a thrower, that he has a coolness under fire (not Chris Simms), and that he can make plays few Texas fans have ever seen, and certainly not from our past quarterbacks, however great they have been. But I agree, it will be some time before he is a complete quarterback.
If the "single game" is the national championship game, I believe it's possible for GG to make a quantum leap.
As many already mentioned, not many freshman quarterbacks, nonetheless all college football quarterbacks, get to experience what GG experienced last Thursday night in front of national TV audience. That 3 hours would have felt like 3 seasons worth of football for GG.
Darius White
On the subject of who will be the number 1 receiver next year, everyone rightfully thinks it is going to be MW. I was wondering if anyone knows if D White is enrolling in the spring, cause if both him and Mike Davis do i would be very surprised if they don’t get immediate playing time. Malcolm is one of the most athletically gifted receivers in the nation but is too inconsistent. If these guys can come in and earn GG’s trust and produce early i could see them taking over. Don’t sleep on Timmons either, but i just don’t think he is the same level of talent as D White. What do you think will happen with our bottom of the totem poll receivers. Have there been transfer rumors from Hales and or Fitzhenry? While i was very high on Hales before this season, i find it hard to see him passing Goodwin or Monroe for their respective roles on the team. I would also be very surprised if Fitzhenry is on the field other than the 2nd half of blowouts.
Greg Timmons
from what i have heard he is like a 6’3 quan cosby, he may have the best hands on the team, at first glance i think our 5 wide will be Darius, Marquis, Mike, Kirk and Malcolm, i dont really like James Kirkendoll and much rather have a real tight end such as an unlikely healthy blaine irby running short routes but i dont think Mack would do that to a senior receiver.
Hard to say what's going to happen at WR
A lot of people were all over Malcolm Williams as some all-world freak, and without getting too far into the I-told-you-so crap no one wants to hear, I’ll just say that I’m as disappointed as anyone. If he and Kirkendoll don’t shape up, this could be the second-worst WR year Texas has had in the post-Cavil era, with only the year Tony Jeffery (no disrespect, dude—you stepped up!) led all WRs.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Left tackle
Do you not believe Mason Walters could come in and compete? I know he was hurt for a good chunk of the year and was working more at center, but this kid was supposed to be a stud LT very soon. I know we’re all skeptical because of Tray Allen’s lack of development, but we’ve got to believe someone can do something positive there (other than Hix).
Every time I feel down and depressed, I think of seven simple words by a true wise man, Matt Leinart: "I still think we're the better team" and I usually end up hurting myself by laughing so hard.
How to make a thread?
I know it’s a stupid question but how do you start a thread??
by horns1212 on Jan 11, 2010 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
How to make a thread?
I know it’s a stupid question but how do you start a thread??
by horns1212 on Jan 11, 2010 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Great post ... exposes a lot of lame soundbites we've come to expect about the offense
Watching the game, I thought that GD and the offensive staff did a great job, all things considered. Also after the game, Shipley pointed out that GD deserved credit for GG being so well-prepared to come into the game under those circumstances and compete.
"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles
by Distributor of the Football on Jan 11, 2010 6:00 PM CST reply actions
wow,
you guys are rediculously good at breaking this stuff down. Some of these things I would have never even caught if I hadn’t read this post. I just hope we get to play the Horns more often and hopefully even up this series a little more.
by AlltheGreatQBs on Jan 11, 2010 11:53 PM CST reply actions
Thank you for being a good visitor
There needs to be more like you and kleph, and less like…well, like one or two bad apples.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
Hehe,
I hope we get to play the Tide soon and get to 8-1-1!
Congrats on the championship and thanks for being so nice.
"If you think you can be stopped, this isn't the place for you."
by austintexasbaby on Jan 12, 2010 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Gilbert doesn’t seem to be like any of those QB’s. I think we are looking at a young John Elway or Steve Young here. If we are just talking a comparison of Texas QB to Texas QB; maybe a bigger and stronger armed Colt would be a good comparison without the running skills at this point… He runs better than the Major and has pretty decent escapability… I think he will be a decent runner; not a Vince or Colt type runner, but enough of a threat once he feels more comfortable in the offense.
IMO
If he is not the runner type, than thats fine too. Don’t jump me, but he puts me in mind of Tom Brady. His release, body build, and just hope he has the pocket prescence.
by AlltheGreatQBs on Jan 12, 2010 12:10 AM CST reply actions
Is anyone else worried about GD having a non-running QB again? It hasn’t worked out so great in the past. Major had some success, but other than that our Offense was pretty lack-luster at times against really good D’s. I think Gilbert has some mobility; hopefully, enough to be a viable threat in the running game.
From reading this i'm already excited from next year to see how he does
w/ all of spring practices and being the guy at all the practices
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 12, 2010 2:01 AM CST reply actions
One thing I have learned from all of this
Is that Texas fans always think their QB is much, MUCH better than he really is.
No matter who he is, or isn’t.
Poor McCoy had to deal with four straight seasons of coming up short with your expectations. He was supposed to be a Heisman winner and provide Texas another NC. Now, before his locker is even cleaned out, suddenly this new guy is just as good or even better??? What is it with you people and QB worship? I don’t get it. A team has 21 other starters. Billy Zane on the other thread told me Alabama beat, not Texas, but rather an “18 year-old freshman”. What is the matter with you guys? Are you trying to make sure Gilbert feels the same pressure to be superman too? How did that work out for McCoy against OU, NU and UA?
Maybe Texas would be more successful if they developed a running game and didn’t throw all their eggs into the QB basket. Alabama won because any given key player could fall and they had someone of equal talent to fill in.
McElroy played with broken ribs, and was obviously a non factor. But A.J. McCarron or Star Jackson could have filled in without Alabama changing their gameplan of a ground attack. If Ingram had gotten hurt, there was always Richardson (who is actually better) to get more carries. If McClain had been hurt, there were three or four, experienced five star backups to replace him, and play like the were trying to make the team. Saban prepares better than Brown by making sure his roster is deep and he does this by playing freshmen early on. Last year Alabama started more freshmen than any team since Marshall in 1971. So this year he had a full squad of experienced sophomores(Ingram, Dareus) and veteran juniors (McClain). Maybe Gilbert would have been better prepared had he been given more playing time, instead of Brown trying to pad McCoy’s stats for a Heisman?
Nice try
Find me someone who thinks that Garrett Gilbert is just as good as, or even better than, Colt McCoy. No one thinks that, at leas not that I’ve seen. There are many who believe he’ll end up being better, and if natural quarterback talent is any indication he will be, but that’s a long ways off.
Try again.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
In one of these articles recently, the author said something to the effect that the TD pass to Shipley was more accurate than anything McCoy had thrown in four years. I was like, WTF? It was a nice pass, but it wasn’t a phenomenal pass. Shipley had his man beat by three steps and Garret hit him in stride like he was supposed to.
I love the padding stats accusation.
Care to back it up with numbers?
TO DARTX
I hope you go back to the other article and read my comments to you. First of all, N.C. or not, Colt has had a stellar career, 2nd to none. Second, I disagree with some points in this article, like the one about our O-line; the line provided “GREAT” protection all night, which is what we were worried about the most. Third, I disagree with the comment that McCoy would have been gazing at Jordan Shipley just like Garrett did, which resulted in ints. and a fumble. McCoy would have found his hot route like he has done all year, when teams blitz. The only games where McCoy has struggled has been when the DL only rushed four and seven dropped in coverage, giving other teams what is called a “coverage sack” (i.e. OU, Nebraska, and TTech 08). Teams that employed tactics that Bama displayed in that game, McCoy put up great numbers against. But even with McCoy out, I was pleasantly impressed with Gilbert, but he has to learn to dump-off to his hot routes when the blitz is inevitable. The int. he threw in the first half, trying to hit Shipley, who was guarded by three players, could have been avoided; had he gone through his progressions he would have noticed Dan Buckner directly in front of him running a slant up the middle of the field with nobody in his passing lane. Also, the fumble at the end, when he telegraphed his intentions again, by gazing at Jordan, he had Goodwin to his right and Buckner to his left, and they both gave him options to avoid the blitz, but he was content to watch and wait for Ship. to beat the zone that was smoothering him, and it resulted in a meaningless sack and fumble that could have been avoided, even if it did not produce positive yardage. It was all a part of his inexperience, which Colt would have capitalized upon. Oh, and DARTX, you can drop the broken ribs piece because it is really a hairline fracture, and he had the same condition when he played lights-out against Florida, so you cannot use that as an excuse for his poor night; a better explanation is that our defense is for REAL!
Obviously you don’t have your facts straight, and you’ve never had a rib injury. His roomate said he was falling to his knees when he coughed, just days before the game. Ribs are especially difficult to shatter because they are so flexible, but when they are broken, even with hairline fractures, they are still painful and reduce mobility significantly, especially when it comes to twisting the torso, which is what a QB does when throwing a pass. Even heavy breathing can cause as much pain as coughing.
With 2:01 left in the third quarter of the SEC championship game, McElroy was in shotgun formation in the backfield by himself when a bad snap caused fumble and he had to run up the middle on a busted play. At 1:56 he was sandwiched between two blttzing linebackers running full speed, Cunningham and Spikes. That would be his last attempt to throw the ball for the rest of the game. He went 12 for 18 with 240yds and a TD, in three quarters of play. He never even tried to throw it after that point! So to assert he played fine with this injury against Florida is nonsense.
Some of you might also remember McElroy’s early fourth quarter run up the middle which went 8yds almost to the Florida 2yd line. Around the seven yd line when he saw defenders about to hit his left side, he spun around and started running with his back towards the endzone as to avoid further aggravating the injury he had just sustained to his ribs. The announcers would then speak of what they thought was a hip-pointer injury because he was being looked at on the sidelines.
Oh, and you are out of your gourd if you thnk McCoy has had the best career. Second to none? How about second to Tebow?
Yes, second to none.
We’ll take Colt. You can have Tebow. 2 great kids & college QBs who were great at their respective locations. While east coast Tebow-touters were asking the question, “Is Tebow the greatest college QB of all-time?”, Colt was winning 2 consecutive mutliple all-american & player-of-the-year awards over Tebow and Bradford. Add in the NCs & Heismans all you want, which is fine, but Colt won twice as many awards as the other two during the last 2 years. That’s a fact.
Very nice summary
During the sack/fumble play mentioned above in Drive 15, Bama only rushed four and dropped seven into coverage. The OL had an unfortunate blown assignment at the worst possible time.

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