Too soon? The who's who in seniors leaving and who is replacing them?
by notsofst on Jan 11, 2010 6:03 PM CST
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There's a lot of next year talk going around with Garrett Gilbert's stunning comeback performance against the Tide. So I thought I would do some homework here and take a look at what our churn is for starters on offense / defense.
Offense:
2. Chris Hall
4. Adam Ulatowski
5. Colt McCoy
Place Kickers:
2. Ryan Bailey
Defense:
2. Ben Alexander
4. Deon Beasley
5. Rodderick Muckelroy
I left Norton off the list, he's a senior but was unable to play this year due to injury, so he may be back? I have nothing to back that up with, though.
Early Drafters include:
1. Earl Thomas
Thoughts on Offense:
How can you replace the Roommates? Well, start with Garrett Gilbert. The list of names he has to throw to are all familiar: Malcom Williams, James Kirkendoll, and Marquise Goodwin. We've got some wooden hands in there, but give them time to grow together and I think it's all A+ level talent.
I can't find any running backs leaving, and we're adding another with Chris Whaley. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that. But our ground game problems have not really been anchored in a lack of running talent, we've got 4-5 decent backs for all kinds of schemes, if anything our problem will be the lack of a "feature" back getting all the meaningful reps he needs. Let's see if the flavor back of the week continues.
The Offensive Line takes the hit on offense. As we saw with OU this year, improperly replacing an O-Line can be bad news. We don't want Garrett out there on the field clutching a seperated shoulder in our season opener, and we got a taste of that pain and shame in the National Championship when one QB went out with injury and another suffered a tough hit for a TO on the game winning drive.
Tray Allen, Luke Poehlmann, and David Snow are the backups for Tanner, Ulatowski, and Hall in that order.
We saw Allen and Snow step in at various points during the year, but I don't think Poehlmann saw any meaningful snaps. He is listed at 6-7 @ 265 and is best known for his Mullet in the Fiesta Bowl.
If we can seriously answer some questions on the offensive line we'll be in good shape.
Thoughts on Defense:
My initial thoughts are that our secondary is largely untouched besides the loss, though significant, of Earl Thomas. The return of Aaron Williams, Chykie and Curtis Brown, and Blake Gideon all in the backfield is a boon for the defense.
Up front we have the development of Okafor to look forward to, we'll see a lot of Kheeston Randall, and the Acho's and Eddie Jones are still around. If Norton returns to anchor the linebackers, I can't see us being in any worse on defense than we were this year... Which is to say, our defense may be able to win some games outright with Muschamp at the helm.
Thoughts on Kicking:
We're losing two kickers with a proven record of drilling nails into our enemies coffins. This makes me a bit nervous, but we'll see what Mack's got waiting in the wings. Justin Tucker is listed as 3rd in line to kick, so he may be a candidate for the top spot come spring.
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Mason Walters
Should step up in the O-line somewhere to help out
Not worried about kicker
I’m guessing Tucker focuses a lot more on that, while Gold continues to be the almost-full-time punter.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 6:15 PM CST reply actions
Trick Shots in the NC Aside
Can we locate a person capable of kicking off into the endzone and give them a scholarship???
I can't remember the last time Mack offered a high school kicker a scholarship
Normally he seems to let them walk on, and award a scholarship after they contribute, usually as a junior or senior.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't know that
If that’s the case there goes my dream of getting my kid a free ride to UT through a kicking scholarship.
If he kicks like a mule, go for it
There are always exceptions. Bobby Bowden had a policy of not giving scholarships to kickers at all until he saw Sebastian Janikowski. I guess that could explain the wide-right and wide-left debacles up to that point.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I didn’t think he received a scholarship as a freshman.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, Lawrence was a 2006 scholarship guy
And Tucker two years later.
Not coming out of hs, though, right?
Didn’t he just get one this year, in fact?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
I may be wrong
But I was pretty sure he got one coming out of HS. I remember on the statesman page, he was listed as one of the recruits for the 2008 class. It may be a situation where they just told him he could earn one, but I thought he did get one.
You're right
Incoming class of 2008. Damn, I guess I missed it when I was drooling over Hales, Humphrey, and AW.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Both Lawrence and Tucker got scholarships out of HS
Mack was fed up with fielding “mediocre” kickers. Naturally, he didn’t trust Lawrence enough to kick the game winner against Nebraska, so Bailey kicked it. He was granted a scholarship, and Mack also brought in Tucker on scholly. Thus the insane depth and 3 scholarship kickers.
I expect Tucker will get first shot at FGs next spring, and John Gold first shot at punts. Not sure you’d want the same person doing both.
Seemed to work okay for Henery
Although I do agree, it’d be better to split it up. It’s better to specialize on special teams.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Also, Trevor Gerland
As mentioned earlier in the thread, Hunter Lawrence (2006) and Justin Tucker (2008) were recruited. Also, Trevor Gerland came in the 2005 recruiting class. All of them were scholarship players when they stepped on campus.
Bailey was a walk-on who later got a scholarship, while Gold walked on and still is a non-scholarship player.
Gerland was a transfer
From Vandy, I believe. And also track athlete. As far as I know, he never actually got in a game, either. If he was on a track scholarship, it wouldn’t have counted against the football team unless he got in a game.
I thought he ended up punting, for some reason
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
To pile on
Greg Johnson was the Vandy transfer. He was also the starting kicker until the Ryan Bailey game winner.
I suppose it's no coincidence
That both teams participating in the BCS title game must replace their punters and placekickers. There’s a big correlation between experience at those two positions and upward digital increments in the ‘W’ column.
Gold coming back eases that anxiety a bit for us in ’10. With new placekickers, though, you just never know.
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by beast in bama on Jan 12, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Thoughts on '10
O-line will be new — and hopefully no worse. I like a couple of the young players (Walters, Ashcraft) a lot
Running game is the running game. I’m not optimistic. There are about 10 guys who could be in the mix
DT, again, is scary, though this time it ought to be a little deeper. Three incoming freshmen and two RS freshmen are listed as defensive tackles. But the only DT who played this and will be back is Randall.
Corner looks scare after next year. Some scuttlebutt that Curtis Brown might leave, which means only Chykie and Williams who have ever played at corner.
I think the defense can replace Muckelroy and Kindle, not Houston. I think the offense can replace a couple of the departed linemen but not McCoy and Shipley. Three toughest games: at Tech, at Nebraska, RRS.
I thought one of the Acho Ocho Uno might slide over to DT
Then you’ve got him there with Randall, and maybe one of the freshman?
We were scared about it this year and it turned out to be a strength, I’ve got hopes that Muschamp has a plan.
at Nebraska will be a real grudge match, but luckily no Suh there to romp on our O-Line in whatever form it is in when that game comes.
Calvin Howell will also return
He played, although not that much. Higgins too, I believe.
There are three killer ends, any of whom might have the body to move inside a la Houston: Eddie Jones, Sam Acho, and Alex Okafor. I don’t think Okafor’s as close in terms of adding the necessary bulk, so I consider him an unlikely candidate.
Those guys, the 2010 recruits, and redshirted guys like Kyle Kriegel, Derek Johnson, and Tevin Mims, ought to combine for pretty good options.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nebraska
Bo Pellini, pos whiner and conspirator. I want to hang me some Bo Pellini hide. Might not happen next year though, during the regular season at least. Geez, I already can’t wait until next year.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's a conspirator at all
Or at least I haven’t seen any smoke or fire indicating such. I completely understood the way he felt after the conference championship game, so I don’t really thing it’s worth holding that against him forever. He seems like a good guy.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
We disagree
He threw a fit in front of the nation, and he purportedly worked with Saban preparing for our offense. Nothing like Big 12 solidarity.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I hadn't heard about the Saban connection
I’ve heard it about Stoops. Are you sure you’re not thinking of him?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Pellini also
A couple of different media outlets, ESPN was one I think, mentioned that Pellini and his staff had discussed ways to deal with the Texas offense specifically the zone read, before the game.
only reference I could find was the last line of this
http://huskerextra.com/articles/2010/01/05/football/doc4b42a262273d5091907920.txt
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I will say that trying to find that link
I ended up in Corn Nation where the consensus was that they would have liked to have seen the outcome with Colt playing the whole game. Despite Pellini I still respect their class.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
So what are the chances that we utilize two QB's this year so history doesn't repeat itself?
I think that would be the best think to do Florida had no problem with doing it with Chris Leake and Tim Tebow
Florida pretty much just used Tebow as a direct-snap fullback
Not so much as a QB
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no
And thank goodness you arent the head coach.
Time and time again its shown that a team needs ONE qb. If you want to blame the loss against Bama to losing Colt, blame our scheme for putting too much emphasis on the importance of the QB, but no one, and I mean no one, plays with 2 QBs unless your first one is crap.
Florida ran Tebow as a Fullback his first year, and I think we can all agree his overall talent level eclipsed the Senior Leake. Even with that, Meyer still knew that you run out one QB for a team. GG is our QB moving forward, and no one should be taking time away from his development unless they show potential to unseat him.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 12, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you
It does raise another question, though. Who will back up Garrett Gilbert this year? John Chiles needs a position. If not Chiles and you don’t want Sherrod Harris running your offense you have burn somebody’s redshirt. Case McCoy seems a project right now, Wood might not be ready either. Looking at the depth chart I’m very thankful we swayed Connor Wood from OU.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I have nothing against Harris
He can be the backup.
My only point is, if you have a defined starter, IE we are SURE that GG is the top QB in our program, then he needs the snaps.
I would also think at least one of Wood/McCoy does not redshirt.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 12, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I think Harris makes the most sense
Very familiar with the offense, lots of experience in practices with all the targets, etc. He’s vastly different from Gilbert, which can be both a positive (change-of-pace offense) and negative (much different velocity on passes).
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah Gilbert really needs to work on his...
finesse game. It’s funny how being too strong is a negative.
ATX
He just needs to settle in
He showed nice touch on the second TD to Shipley and the rocket arm on the 2-pt converson to Buckner. I noticed that he took a little off on some of the shorter passes once he settled in. It’s good to have both in the repertoire. I think he’ll be the best pure passer we’ve had here.
And I do agree that Gilbert needs all the reps he can get early on, there’s not really an alternative, platoon systems have never worked here. But I disagree about Harris, don’t think he’s the answer if GG is injured. I hope to see Wood take over the GG role of this year.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
"Pure passer" translates to "not much of a runner"
Sims was the best pure passer we had and look where that got us. He had no moxie and no way to win when he was gettin’ drilled in the pocket.
Gilbert is going to be a beast as a thrower with all these thoroughbreds lined up four-wide. And, as athletic as he is, I have no doubts he’ll be able to run effectively when needed. But let’s hope that he can pull escapes and plays out of his arse like Colt did for four years.
recruits
Don’t want to jinx anything, but what about the possibility of Hicks and Jeffcoat, if they do indeed commit, not redshirting and playing a little? Doubt they would start at first, but both are gonna be studs wherever they go
GG '10
by 04'-05'-glorydays on Jan 11, 2010 6:41 PM CST reply actions
any word on when Hicks will announce?
by 7Swords of Salat on Jan 11, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
signing day
It’s next month right? so it won’t be long either way. not sure
GG '10
by 04'-05'-glorydays on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
he never said he’d announce signing day afaik…
by Displaced Longhorn on Jan 11, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Right
All I’ve seen is “late January” in the same sentence as his name.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
No way they redshirt
I may be wrong but, besides VY & Colt redshirting (for obvious reasons), when’s the last time we saw a top defensive recruit redshirt? I can’t recall any. Mark my words, Jeffcoat & Hicks both get their first starts in the game after the RRS. That’s usually how Mack gets the top studs going. Up to then, they’ll be in for atleast half of each game. Darius White and DeMarco Cobbs will also be starting or playing a ton by then.
Orakpo, Thomas, Robinson
all redshirted.
If going by recruiting rankings only, then you can add Ben Wells and Russell Carter.
Roy Miller maybe?
And “Shocky” Brown, Earl Thomas, and a few others.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 14, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
This may be a bit of an understatement
I may be wrong but,
by Wells on Jan 14, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What players redshirted this year that we hope to be big contributors?
Injury:
Jared Norton (LB); DJ Grant (TE); Irby (TE) (saw someone comment in another thread that his prognosis is still bad)
Non-Injury:
Tariq Allen (LB); Timmons (WR)
Others?
by the chairman211 on Jan 11, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions
Grant needs most of a year (dating from August) to rehab; wonder how much help he can be in '10
Irby still unknown; it’s been 15 months. Can’t be optimistic. Norton’s shoulder has broken down twice, so . . .
Other RS who can contribute: Walters needs to. Allen, as you mention. Whaley might. Ashcraft, but he could be a year off. Howell. About 5 of the guys who redshirted (Walters, Howell, Barnett, Dominique Jones, couple others, I think) missed time due to extended injury, so their rehab/conditioning/experience issues may reduce their chances this season.
I essentially made this same post today....
But I think SBNationate my post when I tried to preview it.
Anyways, one of the points I planned to make was that if you were to pick out the 6 most impressive/important players on the year for the horns it would prolly look something like:
1. Shipley
2. ET
3. McCoy
4. Houston
5. Kindle
6. Muck
All these guys are gone now ( and I think A Williams may belong in this list as well). But anyways, the point being we are definitely going to need some people seriously step up.
I think the D will continue to be a very stingy unit that is going to keep us in every game.
My picks/hopes for guys who step up: Mims, Earnest
Offensively it definitely gets a little interesting. I can’t wait to see how the O-line and WR units end up shaping out. My prediction is that by season’s end the WR unit is Malc, Goodwin and Mike Davis as starters. I haven’t been as excited about an offensive recruit as I am about Davis in quite some time. My picks/hopes for guys who step up: Timmons, T. Allen
He pretty much has to for 2010, at least
2011 is a little iffier.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
To clarify...
I meant that Williams may belong on the list as one of this year’s best players — not that he was a player who was a candidate to leave early….
Understood
I was replying to notsofst, who said that he hopes AW sticks around. I wouldn’t think AW would be interested in leaving the program for the CFL, another school, or non-football pursuits at this point, which are the options a true soph has.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
darius white?
If you’re excited about davis, you should be even more so about White I would think
GG '10
by 04'-05'-glorydays on Jan 11, 2010 7:07 PM CST reply actions
I'm excited about White
But not as much as I am about Davis. To me Davis seems considerably more polished as a route runner and his career speaks for itself. The kid flat out makes plays. Also, he seems to have a knack for the big stage and competing considering how he has handled his matchups with Adrian White the past 2 years.
You're more excited about a 4 star than a 5 star
Thats how good this class is going to be. Can’t wait.
GG '10
by 04'-05'-glorydays on Jan 11, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on the site
Both are four-star rated on Rivals.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
darius was lackluster his senior year for a 5*, davis was baller.
by Displaced Longhorn on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
a lot depends on the team also
White was awesome in the Under Armor All American game, and Davis was excellent too. I had my doubts about White being a true 5* until that game.
Number of stars aside
White was injured and sick a lot of his senior year. He’s healthy now, he and Davis shined equally during the UA game. They’re both playmakers.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Davis kind of stole the show
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
You are disagreeable today
I think Anne Hathaway is hotter than Angelina Jolie.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Wtf...
No pics?
Anne Hathaway could hath her way with me any day.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 12, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree that I'm being disagreeable
Case in point: I fully agree than Anne Hathaway is hotter than Angelina Jolie.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think
that if Malcolm “Stone Hands” Williams were to look at this pic taped into his helmet before every deep route, that the hardness would leave his hands and go somewhere else on his body? Maybe that’s the answer. Worked for me.
Didn't have to look far to agree on something
That is one helluva pic.
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 12, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not gettin' excited about ANY of these kids
until they show that they will catch the ball when it’s thrown to them. Not that the Quan & Shipley year went unappreciated but it sure seems like a long time ago. Catch the ball, boys!
Leaders?
Much has been made over the affect that the team leaders have had on the team the past 2 years. in ’08 it was Orakpo, Quan, Miller, and Chris OGBYN and this year you had McCoy, Houston, Kindle and a dash of Earl.
I wouldn’t really say there seem to be obvious candidates to step into those roles this year. The only one who shoots to mind would be Sam Acho. Beyond that I can’t really think of anyone…
Norton has his shot at redemption, sort of like Orakpo
So might Kirkendoll and Big Eddie Jones.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 11, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Sam Acho will be a big leader on defense (love saying stuff like that)
I could see Muck coming back and doing alot of that, but I have no idea who our offensive leaders could be
several candidates for leadership
On defense:
Sam and Emmanuel Acho
Eddie Jones
Blake Gideon
Aaron Williams (will likely take over the slot as Christian Scott takes the field)
and possibly Alex Okafor (he’s been on the field a lot even though he hasn’t made many plays)
On offense:
Gilbert strikes me as a natural leader, and Newton as well. It would be nice if Kirk or Williams could step up. I don’t see anyone on the OL stepping up, but David Snow might be able to pull it off as the center
by burnt in ny on Jan 11, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Leaders on Offense?
The leaders on defense are obvious and plentiful, and you’ve pretty much touched on the prime candidates already: the Acho brothers, Williams, Norton, maybe Robinson.
For the offense, it’s a huge question mark next year. Gilbert certainly could emerge as a leader, especially after how he held up in his baptism by fire in the MNC. He’s young, but I don’t see that as necessarily preclusive.
Let me toss out a couple of other young guys that I think could show up as team leaders: Tre Newton and Marquise Goodwin. I know one is a RS freshman and the other a true freshman, but they just seem to handle themselves with a great deal of confidence and maturity for younger guys.
WRs way overrated
Kirk is a absolute disappearing act and Malcom’s hands are not dependable. I think we will be very young at WR next year. I cannot see continuing to give them time.
I agree
but you have to give them time. There is no one else and you don’t want all freshman out there. It is a big concern though. There is nobody that we can count on. Hopefully someone step’s up.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 11, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
There's no guarantee White/Davis/Jones will be any more dependable than Williams/Kirk/Goodwin/Chiles
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 6:54 AM CST up reply actions
WR
I really hope somebody steps up, tired of seeing chiles and kirk out there pouting, and giving up on routes. Unlike the offense i have alot of confidence in the D and that we know muschamp and crew do well at developing talent. What does everybody think of keenan moving into kindles roll of that hybrid LB. Big physical guy with good lateral movement.
I wouldn't think Robinson would move
He doesn’t really seem to have the size/strength/speed combination to do so, IMO. I guess it’s possible. I would expect Dravantti to be a more likely candidate to do that.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I think Robinson sticks, I think he'll anchor the middle
I was looking at Okafor to try and fill in for Kindle, I think he’s been playing the understudy this year for that position. The kid’s oversized and athletic and is going to be a force.
E. Acho
I would think he would fit nicely there. Hopefully Jordan Hicks fills that roll. I believe that has been part of the sales pitch.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 12, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I've always seen Hicks as an everywhere linebacker
More of a Derrick Johnson than a Sergio Kindle, in other words.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
does anyone know why brandon collins did not play this year?
he played succesfully at WR freshman, and sophmore year didnt he? i didnt even see him on the field this year.
Err...welcome back to the internet!
He was academically ineligible. It was something about insufficient academic progress rather than grades, it appears.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 13, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
And then while not being in CA with the team for the NC
(for an alleged mild concussion—he was suppose to join the team later) he was accused of bieng involved in an armed robbery and was dismissed from the team. He needs to do a 180 and in a hurry!! He is long gone to Longhorn football.
i just didnt here much about him.
he came to my football camp along with some other guys from texas, and i was excited to see him on the field this year. disappointing he couldnt play, he might have made the difference.
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Early Enrollees
I’ve seen other sites talking about who has already enrolled at ND and the guys that thought they were enrolling this weekend at USC (I hope they don’t go to OU). I haven’t seen anything on new Longhorns making it in for spring enrollment. Any word?
I'm curious too
I know it’s a bigger story at those two schools because ND wouldn’t have a QB for spring practice with Clausen gone and Crist injured (ACL) without QB recruits enrolling early, and obviously the Pete Carroll thing at USC. But I haven’t heard anything about early enrollees at Texas.
Ok, so what do we really expect next year?
Do we win ‘em all again? Seems unlikely in macro…but if not then where do the L’s come from? RRR? I don’t really see why. At Nebraska? Maybe…but they’re Suh-less. We have Aggy at home.
Thoughts?
41-38 !!
Nebraska loses Suh...
…and they’re none too impressive on offense, but they’re certainly returning a lot of playmakers on defense. I think they’re still a major threat.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 12, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think the Nebraska game becomes any less of a nail biter than it was this year
1. At Nebraska
2. OU
3. At Tech
4. UCLA
5. At Kansas State
Any one of the above could be a potential nail biter / loss depending on a couple bad bounces or turnovers, and I list them pretty much in order of my concern. Maybe switch 3 & 4, or 4 & 5 I don’t know if UCLA is going to be anything next year.
Oh, I completely left off Aggie and Baylor
Both of which may be sporting highly mobile quarterbacks under center.
aggy and Baylor
shouldn’t be too bad because they come to Austin. a&m sucks on the road and has no defense. Baylor is all Griffin.
After that defensive performance this year against A&M, I bet Muschamp has a bone to pick next year when they come to Austin
I saw Griffin play in Austin last year, he’s talented and has breakaway speed. I don’t know if Baylor can muster an upset, but if Griffin is playing I don’t think they should be looked over
disagree on Baylor
they pulled it together later in the season, at least enough to destroy Mizzou in Columbia, and keep the NU game at only 20-10 and shutting down Suh (who was absolutely pissed by the end). Griffin is obviously the star, but I think they’ve gotten better about developing the talent around him. I don’t know if they are good enough to beat us, especially in Austin, but I don’t think they are anywhere close to the cupcake they once were.
Agreed on Baylor
I think Griffin was sort of the one-man show who put them back on the map, and that made it easier to start attracting players who could develop at the other positions. By no means is Baylor a better team without Griffin, but on this current course, I think Briles will have the post-Griffin Bears ready to play at a higher level than the 2009 Bears.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 13, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
Griffin may not be the same either
b/c of the injury he had.
I would like to agree, but...
I’ll still be somewhat relieved once that game is over. Who knows, Tuberville might improve things over there.
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