Postgame Disappointment: Baylor Upsets Texas in Austin
by awiggo on Jan 30, 2010 6:41 PM CST
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PrintThe No. 24 Baylor Bears outlasted the No. 6 Texas Longhorns, 80-77, in overtime. The loss was the first home loss of the season but the third loss in the last four game for the 'Horns. Texas now sits at 18-3 and a disappointing 4-2 in Big XII play. Also, depending on the outcome of the Kansas vs. Kansas State game later this evening, Texas may have just played its way out of a run at the conference title. (Pull for the Wildcats tonight.)
This loss hurts, but it will hurt even more if Texas doesn't regroup quickly. How the Longhorns perform over the next ten days will be the difference on Selection Sunday between a protected #2 seed (maybe an AW pipe dream at this point) and a #4 or #5 seed.
The 'Horns travel to Stillwater for a Big Monday showdown with Oklahoma State in about 48 hours. Then, they must hit the road again on Saturday as they visit Oklahoma. If those two road trips aren't enough, Texas will host top ranked or close to it Kansas on Monday, February 8th.
I'll write a more complete review later but in short, points off turnovers, free throws, and the inability to keep Tweety Carter out of the lane killed Texas this afternoon.
I was hopeful that this would be a bounce back week for the Longhorns. Instead the contests against Texas Tech and now Baylor have produced more questions than answers. Why isn't Dexter Pittman rebounding? Should certain Longhorns shoot free throws as jump shots? When will Jordan Hamilton turn the corner? How did a 14 member team turn into an undersized, seven man rotation? Why are we not competing in the first half defensively? Can Texas score efficiently enough against a set half-court zone defense? I'll get into some of those questions and add some additional observations about the 'Horns tomorrow.
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NEXT GAME: at Oklahoma State -- Monday, February 1st 8 pm ESPN Big Monday
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Question from someone who didn't watch the game
I could only follow the game through play-by-play updates on my Blackberry.
As the play-by-play came in, particularly over the last 30 seconds of OT, I was inferring that Baylor might have been intentionally fouling us, even with a two-point lead, given the very slight gap (if reading the play-by-play logs correctly) between our inbounding and Baylor fouling us. I thought I noticed this two or three times.
Please tell me I’m wrong. It’s one thing to be bad at FTs, but it’s another thing altogether for another team to feel so confident that we’ll miss FTs that they start hacking with a two-point lead.
"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com
OK, thanks
They just seemed to be fouling us too quickly too consistently. But those play-by-play logs can also be misleading at times.
"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com
by Hopkins Horn on Jan 30, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think so
I could have missed it. I thought Mason was making a move toward the basket.
Baylor was definitely not going to let us have anything easy in the paint so they were hacking. They weren’t, however, purposefuly fouling just to send us to the line. I think that was what Hopkins Horn was asking.
--AW--
Yeah, that is what I was asking
But it seems as though hacking to stop points in the paint is a pretty risk-free strategy against us, which isn’t too far removed from outright intentionally fouling us.
"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com
by Hopkins Horn on Jan 30, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Guess I just saw it differently.
Looked to me like Baylor was going to let us run as much time off the clock as possible and then foul us if we tried to go to the basket. The foul seemed to be well before Mason went up to the basket so they just wanted to get him on the floor to send him to the line. Minor point though.
I'll have to go back and look
I was upstairs. So you’re tv view might have been better than mine.
--AW--
Sorry bad typing. It wasn't really clear but
I thought the foul on mason was intentional too. Maybe it seemed like it happened because I thought it would?
Mason foul
Hard to say whether it was intentional or not. Baylor players were probably instructed to foul once a Texas player got to the paint.
Personally, during this play I was very concerned that we set this up for Mason. It just didn’t make sense that all of a sudden we would try to get Mason involved. J’Covan was on the floor and the only difference I see between the two is that J’Covan’s FT% is 42% better than Mason’s.
What hurts most about this game
Is the simple fact we should have won.
Our best FT shooter at the line with a chance to make it a 3 point lead, misses the first shot. Followed by not boxing out at the other end leading to an easy layup.
"The best decision I ever made was coming to Texas," James said. "The second-best decision was coming back."
Definitely.
Sometimes, it’s just the other teams’ night and everything goes right for them. This wasn’t one of those times. We had every opportunity to win, and just didn’t do it. Losing James and Balbay to fouls didn’t help either.
Not boxing out?
LOL, that’s giving our D too much credit. That was a defensive meltdown.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Dear Month of January 2010,
goodbye, good-riddens……don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!!
Sincerely,
The Texas Football and Basketball faithful
No kidding
only good coming out of January was off the field – recruiting.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 30, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
I need perspective.
Trying not to stay all pissed off, I’m trying to accept things for what they are. At the risk of sounding negative and unsupportive: Were we not challenged until January? Is it just a one-month slump? Were we overrated? I only missed three games, but in comparing what I saw the first half to now, I can’t connect the dots. We’ve never had a consistent rotation and have sucked ass at the line all season.
What changed?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by Infield Elephant on Jan 30, 2010 7:22 PM CST reply actions
I think it's as simple that Barnes has no idea what to do with this team
and its being reflected with how the team has played the last month.
Competition
Our early wins over Iowa and Pitt were good but neither team is great.
The win over UNC looks like almost nothing now. This year’s Carolina team is far from their usual offering.
Michigan State win is by far our most impressive. Hamilton got hot, Gary Johnson was incredible, and team was playing with confidence.
Kansas State and UConn beat us up physically.
Tech made themselves hard to guard with their motion offense.
Baylor dared us to shoot from the outside and made our bigs help in high pick-and-roll situations all game long.
The ways to beat this Texas team are growing: zone D; sag off Dogus and Mason; double Dex without the ball; out-physical the Horns; make the Dexter play defense away from the basket; get Dogus in foul trouble; dare anyone to shoot from deep; don’t give up anything easy and make Texas sink FTs, etc.
--AW--
all true...
we’ll keep seeing the same until the coaches and players figure out the necessary adjustments……….or at the very least we start hitting shots from the outside.
I just hope the adjustments come soon……Texas is on the way to wasting a golden opportunity this season.
Can’t agree more with the inability to figure out what to do with these guys. There is a ton of talent, but I’m still not seeing the right combos at the right time. * side-note: I would suck far worse than Barnes (who doesn’t) at coaching, specifically subs. From my perspective, though, we’ve got to stick the strongest 5 and run with it more. Seems to be getting a little tighter lately.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by Infield Elephant on Jan 30, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Plus Dex and Avery are just in a brutal struggle right now.
When we played our best this season, those two were at their best. I keep waiting for those two to get through this mid season slump.
Thanks, but...
You just ran over my puppy.
Looking forward to seeing these things fixed by the #5 seed being handed over.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by Infield Elephant on Jan 30, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Other teams come with a plan based on how to beat Texas (which you have described)....
We come into every game with the same plan….. its called coaching.
I bet Baylor, Pat Knight, etal go into each game with a game specific game, what a novel concept.
Barnes not completely at fault.
Before we start blaming Barnes for the team’s “collapse” after being ranked 1, we should remember that this team was playing less than flawless went it went 17-0. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. In Baylor’s case it was free throws. We hit a few more free throws in regulation when our defense started recovering and forcing turnovers, and we win without even having to go into overtime.
Free throws. Free throws. Free throws. In close, tough games, this is going to absolutely kill us. And I’m not sure just how much Barnes can do to improve that, short of hiring a hypnotist to get these kids to step up to the line and shoot FTs like they shoot uncontested jump shots from that distance.
James is an All-American,
no doubt about it. But we just don’t have, um, that guy. You know who I’m talking about. He is the little dynamo that runs the damn team. We don’t have him and we need him. We have a nice rotation of role players…..that can’t shoot freethrows. A bunch of “sixth” men.
This is not the same team we saw earlier in the year. Where did the swagger go? They got churned up in the Manhattan meat grinder and lost ALL of their confidence. Barnes and the coaching staff have got their work cut out for them for sure. That’s a 10-4.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable." - Tom Landry
the game today
The Horns just got outplayed today by a better team. Without the help from the burnt-orange wearing officials this game would have really got out of hand.
by Greenandgold4eva on Jan 30, 2010 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for giving us that as your first post. Brilliant.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by Infield Elephant on Jan 30, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahahaha
What game were you watching?
How many ticky-tack fouls on our guards were called?
Or how about when Lomars runs over bradley while setting screens that set up 3’s and it’s not called. You conveniently forget about these.
And of course the worse one of all with 10 seconds in OT when Wingman ‘fouled’ a Baylor player that never had possession and walked out of bounds with it in a 1 point game. Go look at that replay, I dare you to say there was any contact. I have, so I know you are either really drunk or lost if you say there was contact. The ref just assumed and everyone knows what happens to people that assume…
Take off your baylor green shades before you talk about our burnt-orange ones.
Texas didn’t play well and you still needed an air-ball to force OT, so don’t come here talking about how the calls were all Texas.
There is a button in the middle of each post, says "reply"
Use it.
I just did.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
You need to tone it down a little dude
Cursing people and playing smart aleck are not endearing qualities.
To the smart aleck aspect I would say, ‘Be careful, there’s always somebody a little smarter right around the corner’.
To the cursing I would say go find yourself a nice middle school blog thread somewhere.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
+1
So I wasn’t sober when I made that post and I was unhappy a Baylor kid came around here yapping about how the officials gave us all the calls when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
What value did you get out of snapping at me for not using the reply button? Could you not see who I was talking to?
I also saw the argument down below, and the comments of SoonerSlayer, TXStampede, and SpiritOfTheFedora have merit and value. You are more than welcome to disagree with them and offer rebuttals, but again what do you get out of flat out attacking them?
We are on the same team on this site and all want the same results, so why not be constructive instead of destructive? I have only seen one other person attack anyone on this site and they apologized later and said alcohol caused the posts.
I have read many posts by you and usually like your input. I don’t recall you ever attacking someone like this, so I hope it was just a bad day and we can all move on from this.
If you are going to defend this blog...
I was offering a simple tip for not discrediting your argument before you post it. Take offense if you like, better luck next time.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Tone it down?
LOL, dad.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not old enough to be your dad, peep.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
..or maybe I am considering you behave like the three year old one other mentioned below. Do you expect people to take you seriously behaving like some kind of sociopath? It’s easy to talk crap behind a keyboard and monitor. I’ll bet you don’t do it out in public. If you do you’d better have some good health insurance.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't expect anything
It’s an internet forum. You can take it or leave it. That’s what mature people do. If you want to take this outside the internet, I’ll buy you lunch.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Two years ago I was eating lunch at mess halls in Iraq. I prefer the company there.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Two years ago
I was providing lunch to a sled dog team in Valdez, Alaska. Not a bad gig either.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Feb 1, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Chemistry
Sorry if it’s cliche, but a good part of the problem seems to be team chemistry. There is little anticipation of where the other players are and little expectation that if you are in your spot that others will recognize that. We have no floor leader. (James is the star, but he hardly communicates with other players and seldom gives up the ball.)
So the question that has begun to nag me is whether these guys are getting along. Pittman in particular seems detached and withdrawn. Mason does not act like a happy senior. Balbay seems irritated about something. OK, maybe I’m projecting, but it does seem there is something wrong.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
There definitely is a lack of chemistry
some of the turnovers we made (especially in the 1st half) were high school level. UGLY.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 30, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't think so two weeks ago
but I agree and I think the lack of a point guard is killing us. Dogus is great in defense and moves the ball well but he’s unable to break the zones we’re seeing and the other guards aren’t shooting well which compounds the problem. Lucas was good for two key turnovers yesterday. Brown was inconsistent. The confidence level has steadily declined since the UNC game and we’re not beating people up inside like a typical Rick Barnes team.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Dogus could be a great PG in ......
many schemes, but Barnes’ motionless offense needs a DJ/Ford type guard. If you remember when DJ, Durant, Mason and James were freshman the team would completely fall apart when DJ was in foul trouble. The team was more affected by DJ being on the bench as compared to Durant.
Exactly
The offense runs through the point guard in Barnes’ scheme and he has to be able to shoot.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
As good as a recruiter Barnes is, the only position that truly matters for him is PG, but he hasn’t been able to consistently recruit the best ones. Guys like Ford and Augustin leaving early doesn’t help. Lets hope Brown can mature and flourish next year or maybe March of this year, and then pray Kabongo pans out.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 31, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Few positives to take out of it
Pittman didn’t get into foul trouble (actually had 0 fouls on the day) and racked up nearly 30 minutes of action. His 14 points (on 70% shooting) was the most he’s scored since the Arkansas game. 1 rebound though in the entire game though. Really, Dexter?
Very promising game out of J’Covan Brown. Unlike Lucas who was pathetic and Hamilton who is still lost, Brown looks like a guy who should be on the court more often. Had a crucial turnover in OT and missed the one critical free throw, and took some questionable shots, but he is definitely “that guy” we are looking for to stabilize the team offensively. Lets hope it happens sooner than later.
Damion James, gotta feel bad for the guy. Had a rough shooting day, especially at the line, but damn, he poured his heart out tonight. Nearly had a 20 points and 20 rebounds.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 30, 2010 10:15 PM CST reply actions
Gosh
I just want to recall that tier-1, tier-2, tier-3 nonsense again?
Lol
Just stick to law.
Thanks, two things
1) While many BON authors and readers are lawyers, I am not one of them. I’m neither offended nor impressed with your comment.
2) The tier system is an easy way to look at games. Of course, there are going to be upsets but to point to one of them to prove that the system is nonsense doesn’t make sense. It would be equally counterproductive for me to point out that the system’s predicted winners went 9-2 last week as proof that it does work.
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Philosophy/Identity
The first half of the season this was obvious… Become a Buzzsaw, Out Athlete, Out Run and Out Last teams… Like Survivor.
Against teams that don’t know you and who are also finding their Identity the philosophy worked… 17-0 (MSU benched Lucas for at least a game; Since theyve been rolling)
Now that we are playing teams with a clear concept of themselves… Result not so good 1-3. K-State, UCONN, Tech (first half), Baylor all were able to enforce there style of play PLAIN and SIMPLE.
The periods of time where this happens we have not been able to adjust fast enough to stuff Runs or Momentum at crucial times of each of these games (except Tech only having 7 guys).
Solution… Any number of them…
1) Two Identities (General Game Play)
A. Thunder- Whenever Pittman is in the Game, Go with the Brutes and just beat pple up
B. Lightning- Press, Run, Gun, Go Ballistic 3 or 4 guards with Damion or Gary… Even Wingman
2) Special Situations
A. Shooters – Jai, J’Covan, Hamilton for End of Clock/Half situation good from deep and the FT line
B. D-Stoppers- Balbay, Mason, Bradley, James and Pitman Saggin in off the ball, Pressure on the ball
3) Find a PG who can recognize when moment is changing and LOCK THE BALL DOWN
Almost all the big runs have come when we have 3 or 4 horrid possessions in a row, we need a guy who after the 2nd bad possession says ok, get it to Pittman or Damion and slow down.
I wouldn't trust Jai with the way he played when he came in today.
He basically cost UT 6 to 8 points within a couple minutes of his insertion to the game. He needs to work on his ball control and awareness of his position a lil more before I’ll trust him as a shooter.
TEXAS FIGHT
Dogus is a good point guard.
He fouled out early in overtime. That also contributed to the breakdown. Dogus may not be a superstar scorer, but he knows how to run that offense, break down the defense and pass off, and he’s always active on defense. Once we were forced into OT and he fouled out, I was afraid we’d fold on the offensive end.
I wasn’t unhappy to see KU win tonight. If we can get the team back on the right track, a win at KU when they’re the #1 team in the nation would be sweet. KSU pissed me off with their “We own Texas” chant a few nights ago. Let’s see where we wind up in March.
KU game
Is in Austin, but would still be a big win if we can get it
My bad.
That game is at home. Still should be a big win if we can get it together. I’m less concerned about the conference standings and much more concerned about our seeding in March.
by StanTheCaddy on Jan 31, 2010 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
With how we're playing now, that game is not a game I'm looking forward to very much.
It’ll be a blood bath
TEXAS FIGHT
I kind of actually expect Texas to use the Kansas game
as a way to put this season back on track. I believe a big time opponent in a home environment will bring the best out of this team back out on that court.
Dogus is a good defender
not point guard. I like the kid but he kills our offense. Our pick and roll is a joke. Everyone knows they don’t have to respect his shot so they sag off. He is a good penetrator but struggles to score when he gets in the lane. If he gets fouled we all know how that turns out. The kid is a great defender. We can use him, but as a starter he really hurts us and it will only get worse come tourney time. They have to get Brown more pt. He has been less than stellar this year, but if we want to realize our potential then we need a all around point. Brown can do it all. He just needs to grow.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 31, 2010 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
This post shows zero basketball acumen.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you say that?
I interpret his point as saying Doge is a great defender, not good scorer, and can’t shoot freethrows. Brown can score but needs more playing time to polish is defense. When Doge is on the floor, his drives often result in improvisation when our bigs are out of postion to benefit from close-to-basket feeds. And when they do actually receive the ball, it is often accompanied with a look of suprise.
Regarding his defense, he is stalwart. But to his discredit, he often finds himself overplaying his hand and not controlling the situation. Look at the number of untimely fouls he has made over the last several games.
While I recognize it is his style of play, not sure I agree with him leaving his feet as much as he does. I don’t see a lot of his peers on other teams with this style of “risk it all” playmaking.
Don’t get me wrong. The guy is working hard. He is just not working smart.
SoonerSlayer has a point. He is observing what we all are observing. Not sure you need a lot of basketball acumen to summarize Balbay’s floor performance.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable." - Tom Landry
He is asking us to cut minutes from our best on ball defender and a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio in favor of a guy that scores 10 points a game.
The untimely fouls argument has two variables that cannot be controlled. The movement of the offensive player and the officiating blowing the whistle. “Timelyness” is also subjective and I am unwilling to go back and research at what points of the game when his fouls were called. I will say the game against Kansas St. game in which he got called for 3 fouls consecutively was near the beginning of the 2nd half (up to 5 minutes in) and although unnecessary and annoying, I don’t think they could be argued as untimely.
To be honest, I’m not sure what you mean by leaving his feet.
Every argument against Balbay is shooting. It is what it is. I don’t know of any research that says how important scoring is versus assist/turnover, steals, covering the other teams guards.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Good argument
way to cut down as opposed to making an actual point. TXStampede may have said it better. Bottom line is Balbay is zero threat offensively. His strength is taking it to the hole. Problem is he rarely looks to/can finish and can’t hit free throws. So that negates his only real benefit on offense. He is one of the best on the ball defender’s in the game despite numerous silly fouls. I can live with some of those because they are at least aggressive.
Our offense is just not very good and it starts with the PG. Don’t really care if you respect my bbiq, but at least attempt to counter point. Your response was very Aggie like.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
More like immature
The response, that is. He did use the word ‘acumen’ which is not in the Aggie dictionary. Balbay’s shooting is a huge handicap to the team and part of being a good point guard is breaking zones from the perimeter. I’m not ready to move him to the 2 spot yet but we’ll see how he does against KU.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
How's this for maturity?
Go fuck yourself
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly what I expected
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm glad I didn't disappoint
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Balbay is zero threat offensively
The guy is a 3-1 assist/turnover, to say he is zero threat offensively shows very little basketball acumen. Offensively speaking I would say his strength is knowing when to sit back and “run the offense” versus pressing the defender and taking it to the hole.
I don’t have the research to know that he rarely looks to finish. I guess we can ask him each time he decides to take it to the hole whether he was looking to finish. Maybe you are wondering if he is shooting a layup or passing out when he drives. But, taking it to the hole and free throws are two different arguments. I’d hate to have anyone on the team worrying about the free throw line when running an offense. I doubt anyone is doing that.
Our offense isn’t very good but it starts with the coaching, not the PG. If your system is predicated on of the PG play and you don’t have the type of PG to operate successfully, you need to change your offense. If you think J’Covan Brown equals Ford or Augustin, I’m not sure I can debate you anymore.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Who said Brown=Ford/Augustin
Your right not zero threat offensively. You just don’t have to guard him. I am leaving this alone now. Your acting like a 3 year old. Nobody attacked you. You decided to talk crap to everyone. Grow up and worry about your own basketball acumen. It’s obviously lacking, but not as much as your social skills. Have a good day.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 31, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
whatever chief
You got butthurt when I question your basketball knowledge. I didn’t say you were stupid, I didn’t say you have a baby arm or a monkey tail. I questioned your assessment of one player and his abilities on this basketball team. Don’t let the internet determine your emotional stability.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Thank God you didn't say I had a baby arm
I am very self cautious about that.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 31, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
It's self "conscious"
For future reference
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
You are giving advice now on emotional stability?
When is the quantum physics lesson?
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXgwS-3B0l0
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 31, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't bother to look at this
This thread ends for me here, at does credence to any of your future smart ass posts or remarks. You have become a mere annoyance.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
disagree, not bball acumen related.
i think Dogus is a good, not great, point guard.
1. He protects the ball. Rarely, if ever, does Dogus lose the ball in the open court.
2. He can get to the rack.
3. He finds open teammates. He knows where everyone is on the floor and gets them the ball.
4. Um, yesterday he went 2-2 at the FT line. Seems OK to me. Brown’s missed FT lost the game. Of course so did 4 of James’, etc.
5. Brown has shown time and again that his number one motive is to try and score the ball. He tries to do everything himself.
Brown is fine running the point in spurts, or playing the 2, but Dogus at point is our best hope for the future of this season.
I think he is good too
He would just be better off the bench. We have to get better PG play if we want to go anywhere.I just don’t see Dogus upside. I think he is what he is. Brown hasn’t lived up to the hype but at least he has upside. He may shoot too much, but is also our most clutch player. As to your points. I’ll give you 1 and 5. He can get to the rack but rarely finishes. His quicks should lead to at least 5 layups for himself our teammates every game. I think he is a decent distributor no better. He really struggles to get the ball in the post. He is best at kicking out to 3 point shooters off his drives. He should use his drives more to dump off to the big guys down low. One good trip to the line doesn’t make one a good FT shooter. We know he is not a good shooter.
I really hope he can elevate his play. I like him and we desperately need someone to spark our offense.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 31, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
misunderstood then
Dogus is a good defender not point guard.
I thought when you said this it implied he was not a good point guard.
Barnes would prefer to have Dogus come off the bench, but when Varez went down it prevented this from being possible. IMO he is not a bad shooter. He doesn’t shoot the ball in game situations very often, and because of this his confidence is not where it needs to be. To me, his shooting stroke looks fine, and actually, I think he is really improving his offense. He needs to take mid-range shots at least 3 times a game (not 3 pointers). If he consistently knocks down jumpers and free throws, that gives him a pretty big upside.
Brown doesn’t bring the same defense. Has been inconsistent in his scoring. Does not distribute the ball as well. I do not see a better option at point guard this season.
Hopefully Dogus can elevate his play to meet both our expectations.
He does have a good shooting motion
and I think he’ll get better the more he shoots, it is only his second year. I also thought Brown showed some good defense in spots yesterday, only his first year. One coaching point that bothers me is that our bigs all seem to put the ball on the floor before they shoot. Gives too much time for the defense to collapse.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 31, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I should clarify
All around I think he is a good player. He is obviously an elite level defender. On offense I think he is below average. So I don’t think he is great at running the point. You literally don’t have to guard him past 15 feet. I see him make some good passes, but don’t think he is much above average for a point guard. He does protect the ball. I just think he is a net negative as a starter. If you game plan for him he is only a very small threat on offense. I agree we miss Ward. I also think Dogus is the best overall PG on the roster. I think this is a problem. We should be punishing teams in the paint, but can’t for lack of shooters. Defenses just sag inside. I think the best hope to change that is Brown. He is a threat to score. He does need to improve his entire game, but there seems to be the tools there. Maybe he can’t do it this year. If not I fear a very disappointing post season. I hope I am pleasantly surprised.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Jan 31, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
WHY DOESN'T BARNES GET ANY HEAT?
We just got out coached in the last 4 games. I like Rick a lot myself, but at some point it has to come back to him. Furthermore, didn’t this same pattern happen at Clemson? He had a highly ranked team and they fell apart? I thought he was about to be fired and Texas gave him a lifeline. Am I wrong?
Barnes WILL get heat this week and it will only mount...
until this turns around.
I’m hoping to hear about a players only meeting today or Monday, or at least a heart felt speech from the coach to these guys. The wagons must be circled immediately.
Getting heat
I think he may take some heat soon if he can’t come up with a solid solution to his rotation and show at least some confidence in an offensive scheme. I expect the next 3 games will be very telling. If we get away with two, I’d be pretty surprised. If it’s KU, he’ll be a hero. But at this point, I’m trying not to blame Rick for anything other than knowing his guys. Seems like the most lacking coaching factor on this team.
At Clemson, he got them to the Sweet 16 in ’97, First Round in ’98, then came to Texas.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by Infield Elephant on Jan 31, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
So Simple Though
He has to recruit and develop someone who can shoot the ball. If we had AJ on this team – we would still be undefeated. Dogus, Mason, Pittman, James – they can’t shoot 55% from the line? Ridiculous.
FT's, I'm Mean Really?!?
The fact that on the entire squad of “overloaded talent” not one, not one single f’in player is a go to FT shooter in the clutch is a disaster that was waiting to happen from the start of the season. When they were winning by double-digits it didn’t matter, but close games, nope, they don’t stand a chance and will lose each and every one of them they’re in for the rest of the season. Disgusting to watch, even if Baylor didn’t foul and dare ‘em to win from the line (which is what it looked like to me) why wouldn’t any team do the same? Game plan v. Texas: Foul ‘em and put ’em on the line, they won’t make the points!
J'Covan ...
is 48 of 52. Even with a miss at Baylor I would not put him in the same camp with the rest.
Oh, he's getting some heat
look at hornfans.com and there’s a thread titled “Rick Barnes is an atrocious coach”
by goingforthecorner on Jan 31, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Bright Side
I think we can physically match up with anyone in the country, ok grasping for straws.
by realmccoy on Jan 31, 2010 10:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Since Big 12 Started
This team has been sucking ass! Even the wins have been fugly. I sincerely hope this is just a mid-season slump, but until the Horns can win (start Monday night) and then get some solid performances where they assert themselves and make their opponent submit to their will – even on the road – I fear they were simply playing over their heads to start the season and have come crashing down to earth with a big ’ole thump.
Our much heralded freshmen and transfer haven’t done much to impress me this season, even though Brown has had glimpses he’s not been very consistent. Bradley, can you say “incredible disappearing act”. Lucas, point guard hero – NOT! Pittman, Pittman, where art thou Pittman?
Scary thing is if they can dig their heads out of their respective asses they still might make this a great season, just haven’t seen it since they hit the conference play – AT ALL – not banking on it now!
Watching this team play
makes me want to go out and practice free throws.
Threes
The decline in our fortunes corresponds to a drought of threes. The kids who were supposed to be the hot shots — Bradley, Brown, Lucas and Hamilton — have been sucking big time from behind the line. Hamilton and Brown are missing everything and Bradley disappears in the clutch. Jai Lucas is probably still over 50%, but recently he sucks as bad as the others. I swear, Damion James is our most reliable shooter. This team was supposed to laugh at the very idea of a zone defense. What the hell happened?
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