Poll: Retired Number for Colt?
by acho81 on Jan 9, 2010 7:53 PM CST
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Should Colt McCoy's #12 be retired? He is clearly an all-time great Longhorn, but he lacks a Heisman and a National Championship. The current retired numbers are Vince Young's 10, Earl Campbell's 20, Bobby Layne's 22, Ricky Williams' 34, and Tommy Nobis' 60. In my opinion, Colt is in the same conversation as those guys and definitely earned a retired number. He is officially eligible since he won the Maxwell Award and two Walter Camp Awards. What do y'all think?
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No.
Great player, all-time player, but not quite transcendent. Besides, we’ve got to keep some QB numbers available for the future.
I say a MNC is the prerequisite. He stays in and wins Thursday? No doubt at all.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
I understand your point
but Colt has done EVERYTHING he could for this program and has always represented Texas in a manner we are all proud of. His accomplishments are too long to name, although the only knock on him is the absence of a National Championship, which he would have delivered had he not been knocked out on the 5th offensive play (not his fault). I thought the other night and no matter how big a fan of Texas we are or how upset we may be, we will NEVER feel the hurt and disappointment that Colt feels. He has NOTHING to feel ashamed for and I look forward to the day (if not yet) when he realizes it was nothing he could do.
It Ain't Easy, But It's Worth It.
You're exactly right
but he does not deserve to have his number retired at this point. Somewhere down the road? Possibly and probably.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
No.
This kind of thing should not be done for a year (or 3, or 5 years) . . . Give the moment time to settle into context.
Plus, too much of this stuff is done.
I fully expect trip-digit number — “That’s No. 127, Jasper Rodriguez from San Angelo, Texas. Heck of a story with him, Brent. Details after this play.” It’ll happen. Hope I live that long. And I fully expect to!!!!!!
No
IMO, need to be largely responsible for a National Championship (VY), and/or win the Heisman (Earl & Ricky) to have your # retired. Defensive players (Nobis) can get a pass for this bc it’s nearly impossible for them to do those 2 things. That being said, IMO it is questionable that Layne’s # was retired. Colt is arguably the best qb to play college football, but if we start retiring everyone’s number, where does it end? If Colt gets a retired #, so should James Street, Duke Carlisle, The Major, and on and on and on…
No, need championships
but it won’t affect the legend that is Colt McCoy. Everyone thinks highly of Major, even though his # wasn’t retired. Same goes for Colt. He will not be forgotten for a long, long time. He has a lot to be proud of, not to mention he’s an all-time winner in the record books.
by goingforthecorner on Jan 9, 2010 9:30 PM CST reply actions
Hmmm....
Maxwell Award and two Walter Camp Awards ( both National Player of the Year awards, like the Heisman ).
Most Accurate QB in NCAA history
Winningest QB in NCAA history
That’s a pretty good resume. Biggest scar is Big 12 titles and NC titles, or lack thereof.
Williams is retired without a MNC, as is Durant's.
McCoy is the all-time leader in wins in the NCAA.
Plus, lets retire #12 and say its for Earl Thomas and Colt McCoy.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Jan 9, 2010 9:55 PM CST reply actions
I voted no
But that’s a great point. The all-time wins, while belonging to an individual, speaks as much to the team. This should be reason enough. But give it a few years.
An emphatic YES!!
As previously mentioned, he has set not only UT records, but NCAA records as well. It is certainly not Colt’s fault that the D could not stop TT last season. He also cannot add cognitive reinforcement to the Big XII brass that used the moronic tiebreaker with OU. In essence, last season’s complete screwover coupled with only seeing 5 plays on Thursday makes me believe Colt should be the last Horn to don #12. Thank you Colt McCoy: for your leadership, your faith, and the fact that you make not only kids want to emulate your ethics, but adults as well.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell
I know...really wish we had a delete button for our own posts.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell
by Mulliganville on Jan 9, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Hell Yes
I was debating starting a thread on this myself but I’m apparantly too lazy. I would be very pleased to see that Colt and Earl were the last two to wear the number 12. The kid gave up everything but his faith for this program why would we not give him this ultimate honor?
I even named my son Kolt.
by vivalonghorns05 on Jan 9, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions
This, alas, also falls into the "What if" category
God I wish with all my being that I could justify it in my heart to say “Yes!!, Colt’s number should be retired”. But, my ability to have that thought in clear conscience is inseparably tied to opportunities lost.
No. Alas, no.
"Please God, Send us a Stable of Running Backs!"
Not yes, but HELL YES!!!!
Shit, if you’re going to retire Kevin Durant’s number, this is a no-brainer.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
Don't Compare Texas' Football Heritage with It's Basketball Heritage
I’m not trying to be critical of your post, but you just can’t compare the standards and tradition of the Texas Basketball programto the Texas Football program. Apples and Oranges.
IMHO, Texas Football is in such an esteemed, lofty place in the college sports pantheon that only the ‘greatest of gods’ should be awarded this honor. A good point of comparison: Look at Dallas’ ring of honor and compare it with the Arizona Cardinal’s ring of Honor. It’s almost a joke by comparison.
"Please God, Send us a Stable of Running Backs!"
Well IMHO Colt has earned his place, without question.
45-7 in 52 career starts, the most victories in NCAA history.
UT’s only two-time All-America quarterback
Only QB in NCAA history to win 10 or more games in four seasons
UT’s first ever four-time team MVP
Completed 1,155-of-1,643 passes (70.3%) for 13,244 yards (No. 1 on UT’s all-time list) and 112 TDs (No. 1 on UT’s all-time list) against 45 INTs for a passer rating of 155.0 (No. 1 on UT’s all-time list)
Completed 332-of-433 passes (76.7%/first NCAA) for 3,859 yards (No. 1 on UT’s all-time list) and 34 TDs (No. 1 on UT’s all-time list) (eight INTs) for a passer rating of 173.8 (third NCAA) as a junior
1st Texas QB to pass for over 10,000 yards
4th on the NCAA all-time total offense list with 14,815 yards
6th in NCAA history with 13,244 career passing yards
6th in NCAA history with 132 career TDs responsible for
7th on the NCAA all-time list with 112 career TD passes
Rushed for 1,571 yards (No. 3 on UT’s QB rushing list) and 20 TDs
Holds 47 school records (career (16), single-season (13), single-game (five), freshman (six) and miscellaneous (seven))
Holds school records in wins (45), completions (1,155), attempts (1,643), TD passes (112), passing yards (13,244), total offense (14,815), TDs responsible for (132), passer rating (155.0) and completion percentage (70.3%)
Single-season marks include TD passes (34), TDs responsible for (45), passing yards (3,859), most plays (596), completions (332), attempts (468) and completion percentage (76.7%)
has rushed and passed for a TD in the same game 14 times
The only quarterback in UT history to post four seasons with at least 2,000 passing yards and 20 TD passes
61 TDs in 2008 and ‘09 are the most in consecutive years in UT history
Threw a TD pass in 48-of-52 games and at least two TD passes in 35 games
Threw a TD pass in 29 consecutive games which is the UT record
Threw for at least 200 yards 38 times, which ranks 1st on UT’s all-time list
Threw for 300 yards 15 times, which ranks 1st on UT’s all-time list
Holds four of the top eight UT single-season marks for total offense (No. 1, 4,420, 2008; No. 3, 3860, 2009; No. 4, 3,795, 2007; No. 8, 2,740, 2006)
1st player in UT history to record at least 2,500 total yards in four seasons
2008 led the team in rushing with 561 yards and 11 TDs
AWARDS:
2009 Walter Camp Football Foundation Player of the Year
2009 Maxwell Award (collegiate player of the Year)
2009 Davey O’Brien Award (nation’s top quarterback)
2009 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (nation’s top senior quarterback)
2009 Unanimous first-team All-America selection
2009 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year
Finalist – Heisman Trophy, Manning Award (nation’s top quarterback after the bowls), Campbell Trophy (formerly Draddy Trophy) which recognizes all-around excellence on the field, in the classroom and in society, and the Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award
2008 Walter Camp Football Foundation Player of the Year,
2008 Chevrolet NCAA Offensive Player of the Year
2008 Archie Griffin Award winner (Touchdown Club of Columbus)
2008 Sporting News Co-Player of the Year
2008 All-American by the Football Writers Association of America, SI.com and the WCFF
2008 second-team All-American by The Associated Press
2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by The Associated Press, Austin American-Statesman, Dallas Morning News, San Antonio Express-News and Waco Tribune-Herald
2009 Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP
2008 Allstate AFCA Good Works Team
Finalist – Heisman Trophy, Maxwell Award, the Davey O’Brien Quarterback Award and the Manning Award
2008 Holiday Bowl Offensive MVP honors
2007 1st-team Academic All-Big 12 selection
2007 Big 12 Good Works team
2007 Alamo Bowl Offensive MVP honors
2006 Davey O’Brien Award semifinalist
2006 The Sporting News’ National Freshman of the Year
2006 Touchdown Club of Columbus’ National Freshman of the Year
2006 Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year
2006 Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by The Associated Press
2006 2nd-team All-Big 12 honors
2006 1st-team Academic All-Big 12 selection
Let me know if I missed something. The only argument is that he did not win a National Championship, but that is not enough to keep his name off the stadium wall, IMHO. He is one of the best players in Texas Longhorn Football history.
Hook’em!!!
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
by 16thLonghorn on Jan 10, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I understand the stats. and I want him in too...
but you can’t put him in before James Street who actually won a National Championship. Maybe with time, yes, but for now, I can’t see it (and trust me, I want to see it, but with a clear conscience, and an objective view of all others who have preceded him.
"Please God, Send us a Stable of Running Backs!"
I said, No, due to no Heisman or NC, but 16th Longhorn post changed my mind
Colt, definitely deserving of a Retired Number….Mea culpa, how could i have been so wrong. His list of accomplishments and the way he went about his business says YES. I would be proud to have him recognized that way..he deserves it.
Hooking em to a Another National Championship.
Without Question
Classy representive, academic and football All American – 2 time winner of almost all QB awards, winningest QB of all time? WTF are you no voters thinking????
Yikes, a little bit of a brush back pitch on that one son
Look, we ALL love, respect and admire Colt, and his many accomplishments, but we “no voters” are allowed to feel what we feel if we think he came within one short step of the summit. Show some courtesy to your brethern, and try to view both sides of the debate.
"Please God, Send us a Stable of Running Backs!"
NO
I think Texas will retire his number, but they shouldn’t. He is a great player, but he needed that championship.
That's what I think
He’s super classy and has a million awards (see above), but he’s missing that national championship. I know Ricky and Earl didn’t win the NC, either, but got their numbers retired. Not for Colt, in my opinion.
NOOOOOO!!!
We’re going to run out of numbers. Just make it a tradition that really special QBs get to wear #12, like we used to do with #60 and LBs.
Transcendent players are the only ones who should get their numbers retired. With the offensive system we have in place, the D we could field over the next few years under Muschamp, and the apparent skill of incoming QBs, I’d hate to get caught in a pattern of retiring every good QBs #….just my thoughts.
hmm
I think you are right about it. We could just make wearing number 12 for special QB’s. With that being said,how are we going to run out of numbers? I never get that…
by willyoubemycharizard on Jan 10, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Again, no.
Major Applewhite’s stats were amazing, and he owned pretty much every Texas qb record, and I bet everyone here would have been screaming for his # to be retired after his final game in 2001….then came Colt. McCoy broke almost every record Major owned. What if Gilbert comes along and 1) breaks all of Colt’s records 2) wins 2-3 Big XII titles and 3) possibly a national title? We would look foolish if we just retired every great player’s #. Colt’s UT career ended 4 days ago, let’s not vault him into sainthood just yet. Heck, it took us 40-something years to retire Nobis’ number. Let the dust settle a while and, maybe 10-15 years down the road, it’ll make more sense to retire #12. Don’t think I would ever think that’s a good idea, but who knows. The lessons Colt taught everyone through his play and, more importantly, his character will live on forever anyway.
Yes, but Colt has a plethora of national records as well...
And it (retiring numbers) should be about more than MNCs and Heismans. It should be about his leadership, character, how he represents the University of Texas, as well as his on the field performance. What an amazing athlete and human being…it was a privilege to watch him play. Seriously.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell
by Mulliganville on Jan 10, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
I Voted Yes, But Changed My Mind....
Colt has and continues to represent everything great about the student athlete and the program at large. While he never got his crystal football, he holds records that will more than likely never be broken and is, IMHO, the greatest asset the program has ever produced. Number retiring is for great performances like VY, wearing 12 at QB should be a tremendous honor and burden for future players, much like 4, or 8, really.
apparently not. Since Buckner wears it
"Dont yall think that crystal beautiful yall?" -Vince Young
by Texastriplecrown on Jan 10, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Amen
Daris White becomes 4 next year.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Jan 10, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Ahem, Darius
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Jan 10, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I say "yes"
Oh and I think you missed the fact that during the MNC Game they announced that Colt had won the “AT&T Player of the Year” honor too.
Play like you mean it...
eventually
yes, but not yet. all of the awards combined with all time wins should get 12 in the stadium. just not yet.
didn’t it take 3 years or something to retire #10?
combine everything colt did the last 4 years and sprinkle in the forgotten fact that he came in directly after arguably the greatest longhorn to ever live….we should hope to be marginally as lucky with GG.
by Duffs_Delicious_Salsa on Jan 11, 2010 1:22 PM CST reply actions
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