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Life After Football

Maybe not in Texas, but at least in New England, where Northeastern University dropped its football program, there is, in fact, life after football.

For Northeastern, life after football is good. Very good.

There has been little or no blowback from alumni or students, as money once spent on football now serves other campus goals. In fact, the number of donors is up (from 19,559 to 21,797) as is the number of applicants (37,693 for 2,800 spots), and the stature of the university continues to rise.

No one is claiming these advances are happening because football is gone. But what is drawing the atten tion of other institutions across the country is how painless it proved to do what once seemed out of the question - eliminating the one sport that, for many colleges and universities, is considered key to catalyzing school spirit, motivating donors, and building a winning identity.

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After Northeastern ended its 74-year football tradition, Aoun received calls and e-mails from several university presidents congratulating him and saying they were considering the same course. Aoun recently penned an article describing the process for The Presidency, a magazine aimed at college presidents, because other institutions wanted a playbook for discontinuing football and saw Northeastern as a possible model. As Northeastern did, those schools spend between $3 million and $5 million annually on the sport for equipment, scholarships, travel, coaches' salaries, and facilities and their teams generate little interest on campus or success on the field.

It clearly isn't the case that football is disposable everywhere, but the costs of football rising as they are, I've long thought that a substantial number of schools should drop football altogether.  And frequently, the arguments against it -- or for continuing to pay coaches more and more -- center around the necessity of maintaining a program to boost esteem, applications, and so forth.  At Florida, I can see it.  Texas, of course.

But what about San Diego State?  Most schools outside the BCS conferences are losing money on football these days, and I suspect that we'll start to see more of them begin to drop football.  I don't necessarily see that as good or bad -- just inevitable, given the sport's trajectory.

In any event, pardon the aside. Just some interesting food for thought, with potential implications for the future landscape of the sport.

We will now return to worrying about Nebraska.

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Inevitable

Sad to think of a university without a football team, but as attendance dwindles and alumni support, merch, TV, etc fail to keep up, it can only last so long.

I was surprised when Cal announced they were dropping baseball a couple weeks ago, but after thinking about it, we may see more & more of this in the near-ish future. I wonder about the effects of this and whether this might make said sport more competitive, thus more appealing or if the interest overall would go down. I’m thinking the former.

by Infield Elephant on Oct 11, 2010 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Programs that should drop football

1. Syrcause (maybe not? They beat USF this wkend)
2. Baylor
3. Vanderbilt
4. Washington State
5. Duke
6. Rice
7. Eastern/Western Michigan
8. Every MAC/WAC/MWC/Sun Belt/CUSA team except Boise St
9. OU

by MJY6087 on Oct 11, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

lol love the ideas especially #9

but seriously on the MAC/Sun Belt/WAC should all really consider dropping down to FCS/D1-AA. They would immediately get a ton more attention/respect and possibly money by reducing expenses at that level, with the exceptions of Hawaii(who should go independent), Louisiana Tech, Temple, and Troy. I really don’t want to get into the whole conference shuffle thing again but I really want the NCAA/BCS to limit the number of team in D1-A/FBS to 96 with some sort of a probationary quota system for upgrades for great FCS teams like Nevada and Boise St were and downgrades like UAB and San Jose St could be. In all seriousness there are already many FBS requirements like game attendance that many of these smaller schools that cannot meet, but as far as I know these are rarely (if not never) enforced. Not to mention most of these schools have to artificially inflate these numbers by staging games like the Texas/Rice game earlier this year.

by TowerPower on Oct 11, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahaha keep dreaming,but that is funny. Good luck to you boys this weekend. I hope it’s a good game.

GBR!
throw dem bones!!!

by hskrntnfreak on Oct 11, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I foresee a not insubstantial amount of attrition over the coming decade.

Particularly for schools which can’t rely on football as an alumni outreach tool or as a PR arm.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Oct 11, 2010 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Most athletic departments across the country lose money. Not surprising that some will drop football which is the most expensive sport. Even at a lot of BCS schools football loses money. That is just the way it is.

by miketag on Oct 11, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

NFL should subsidize college football

The NFL has had a free farm system in college football throughout its existence. It should spend some of its record profits on funding college football. This would enable those schools losing money to maintain programs. It would also allow football to be exempt from Title IX calculations which have cut into a number of men’s “non-revenue” sports with football sucking up a larger percentage of men’s sports dollars at many schools.

The greedheads running the NFL will never do this despite the fact that failing to do so will shrink the pool of programs feeding talent to the league.

by hh500 on Oct 11, 2010 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting point

I hadn’t really considered it, but that’s a valid concern if the attrition becomes more than a trickle.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Oct 11, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

This could shrink the pool of available players for the NFL

and reduce the overall quality. While teams like Texas, USC, Miami, etc provide large numbers of players, there are plenty of NFL players from smaller schools. A lot of these guys may well be late bloomers who weren’t considered good enough for the big schools. They often go on to be really good in the NFL.
Players like that might miss out on the opportunity if there is a substantial decrease in the number of schools playing football.

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by Longhorn in Canada on Oct 12, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

But isn't it true

NCAA alums that make it to the NFL give back to their universities? Maybe not all but certainly most, I would assume. Donkeykong Sue couldn’t wait to initiate a deposit.

Also, would you have other corporate entities do the same thing since college graduates ascend into very productive roles for all types of professional organizations upon graduation and formal training?

And what is wrong with greed? You make it sound as though it is some sort of dirty play.

by TXStampede on Oct 12, 2010 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

NFL inc is a non-profit the last time I looked.

The NFL Inc. merely is the coordinating structure for the teams themselves, a trade association for the 32 teams which shares income in a socialistic set-up, no less. Two-thirds of the income comes from media dollars; the other third from gate receipts, stadium rentals, merchandising, etc. The set-up is to insure the long term viability of all teams with some relative measure of independence in their individual operations. NFL Inc. acts as the primary voice, arbiter of rules and negotiating agent for all the teams in large scale contracts.

Seeing how there is a concern for long-term structure, sharing some dollars with colleges might be a feasible possibility for the future.

by whills on Oct 12, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eventually it will hit public schools

Can you imagine a world in which large school districts in Texas or California drop football? I doubt we are that close to a widespread shutdown, but we can play with the idea.

My unresearched guess is that a school or district could be compelled to drop football on the grounds that the costs of maintenance per student served cannot be justified.

Fast forward with the hypo. Now formerly fertile recruiting grounds have no football, and university programs are forced to spend more resources to procure the same talent they came to expect during the era of “in all public schools” football. What if OKC, Dallas, and Tyler ended football? What if an entire state ended football in public schools (or alternatively, severely limited the amount of public funding toward football)?

Right now, a handful of big states are subsidizing football for the entire country. The funding varies by district, as does the proportion allocated to football - but to some degree, wherever the game is played (and funded), the property tax-paying public pays for high school football. This is the case anywhere. Given that, and given the shitstorm of municipal and state-level finance problems, I expect to see a pioneer district cut or severely pare back athletics funding, possibly taking cues from a state legislature, or under political pressure, or following a school-funding law suit.

The potential dilemmas are the same as those presented in PB’s post, just lower (higher?) one level of competition. What will the people in power “at the next level” do when their recruiting/scouting populations begin to dry up?

by Kool Hand on Oct 12, 2010 3:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I just moved from CA and their are many schools making kids pay to play sports. They pay for their own equipment too. Its pretty messed Up over there.

by dukeoforange on Oct 12, 2010 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

*i should clarify middleschools and highschools

by dukeoforange on Oct 12, 2010 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I grew up on the central coast of California

and I remember a lot of the schools there had almost no attendance and pretty run-down, out-dated facilities. Now that you mention it, I can imagine some of them dropping football, particularly the ones that haven’t had winning seasons in over a decade.

The repercussions of that could be a lot of kids moving to other school districts just for the opportunity to play.

by BrooklynHorn on Oct 12, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

TXStampede, on greed....

Recognizing the essential role played by the profit motive in our economy, I’m not ready to go Gordon Gekko (“Greed is Good!”). To me it is a question of degree. It is possible to be so focused on maximizing profits that you end up making short-sighted decisions and cutting your own throat. That is my concern with the NFL with this issue and one of many reasons I am a much bigger fan of the college game.

In advocating for the NFL paying the freight for its own developmental league, I am merely asking it to do what the NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. do. College programs play a role in those sports too but aren’t the sole supplier of incoming talent as they are in football.

by hh500 on Oct 12, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

As a Northeastern Grad...

I can tell you that the football program was not really that big a deal here. The big problem here is an overall lack of interest in collegiate athletics in New England, as it is dominated by professional sports. Granted, the team was terrible most seasons, and when Northeastern made the 1-AA playoffs one time while I went to school there, hardly anyone noticed. The only collegiate sport that receives any attention is hockey, and even the interest for Boston College football is not that large. I sincerely doubt that even a winning team would change that (they were ranked as high as #2 as recently as a few years back). I know this is slightly off topic from the original post, but thought I would add some perspective specific to Northeastern.

by HornsFanInMA on Oct 12, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty familiar with the Boston area

and still find it odd that people often refer to it as a college town. The term just doesn’t fit, in my observations. Sure there are a lot of college-aged kids, and Allston has a certain atmosphere, but when I think “college town” I think Madison, Wisconsin or Bloomington, Indiana.

Boston is more like a sophisticated metropolitan area that funds a lot of academic research.

by BrooklynHorn on Oct 12, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

College Town

What makes a college town?

What’s interesting is that some schools are investing in football, like UTSA. Others are doubling down to be more involved, like TX State.

by tristatecoog on Oct 13, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

couldn't have described it better myself...

Just because it has a lot of colleges, doesn’t make it a college town. Its basically a lot of young kids living in a big city.

by HornsFanInMA on Oct 18, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

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