Envious Thoughts On the Oregon Offense
Chip Kelly's name isn't always mentioned among the top minds in college football -- a list that typically includes Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Chris Petersen. Maybe it's because the Duck offense has fallen off the ridiculous point-per-minute pace from earlier in the season, as the Quack Attack came into the game against UCLA averaging a paltry 54.3 points per game. Underachievers. Slackers.
It's a fast-paced, zone read-based team that takes advantage of the threat of the run with an extensive play-action passing game and some nice wrinkles like motioning the running back from one side of the quarterback to the other pre-snap to catch defenders in the wrong gap. Perhaps more dangerous is the pace at which the Ducks play -- one of the fastest in the country and one that works with incredible precision given the pressure put on the players to execute at a high level, particularly the offensive line, which must determine their assignments in an incredibly short period of time.
In the first half against UCLA, a 32-3 beatdown, the Ducks possessed the ball for barely more than ten minutes, picking up 357 yards on 9.2 yards per play and scoring touchdown on four of five possessions. Somehow, Oregon managed only a field goal on the final drive as UCLA stiffened in the red zone and was able to bring some effective blitzes. By contrast, Texas gained only 349 yards in the whole game against the Bruins. Blech.
The two stars on offense are two players from the state of Texas who weren't recruited by the home-state Longhorns. Quarterback Darron Thomas, a redshirt sophomore from Aldine, was a four-star recruit and one of the top dual-threat quarterbacks in the class. Rather than going after Thomas, Texas recruited three-star Riley Dodge that year, a player eventually de-committed and ended up at North Texas playing for his father, eventually moving to wide receiver. #Fail
Four-star quarterbacks in the heavily-recruited state of Texas don't exactly come from nowhere -- Thomas had offers from the likes of LSU, Miami, Nebraska, Missouri, Florida, and Oklahoma State before settling on the Ducks. Known as a playmaker in high school who could pick up yardage on the ground, it's his development as a quarterback that has been impressive at Oregon.
Against UCLA, Thomas stood tall in the pocket -- helped by excellent protection by his offensive line -- and delivered accurate balls all over the field, completing his first 10 passes spanning the first 20 minutes of the football. His mechanics, footwork, and release all looked solid and when he did get pressured, he showed a willingness to take hits in order to get the ball out. Thomas also got through his reads with ease, often going to his second, third, or fourth option.
His backfield mate, LaMichael James, was every bit as impressive, as he has been ever since seizing hold of the starting job after LaGarrette Blount's meltdown. A quick, darting runner who almost looks like Jamaal Charles at times with his ability to make defenders miss in small spaces, he's the perfect running back for the Oregon zone scheme because he can see the cutback lanes and hit them quickly. Vision, patience, and lateral agility, the hallmarks of a successful zone back.
Like Thomas, James barely ranked as a top-50 player in the state amid questions about his size and durability and wasn't particularly highly recruited, with his best offers coming from Arkansas and Nebraska. Here's a thought though -- if the other team can't get any solid hits on the kid, the durability questions become much less important.
James didn't register on the Texas recruiting radar after the early part of the process, as the Longhorns opted for Tre' Newton and Jeremy Hills and were spurned by Darrell Scott. Newton has been a solid, if unspectacular contributor, while Hills has done virtually nothing. The Longhorns probably figured that James couldn't pick up the blitz well, but somehow Oregon manages to scheme around that by not asking him to do things he can't do. Amazing.
Tight end David Paulson had a major impact on the game as well, stretching the seam vertically and making a spectacular one-handed catch. A three-star recruit by Rivals who was ranked 42nd at his position coming out of high school as a 225-pounder with 4.65 speed, the great majority of the now 240-pound Paulson's catches in his career, as in more than 85%, have gone for first downs, a stark contrast to Greg Smith, who has only had one or two catches go for a first down in his career (the throwback pass against OU in 2008?) and is good for nothing more than a meaningless checkdown on third downs.
There's nothing revoluationary about what Oregon does offensively -- there are plenty of teams that run the same variations of the zone read as the Ducks and plenty of other teams can go up tempo. What makes Oregon stand out is that the coaching staff clearly went out and made some excellent evaluations in the recruiting process, finding players that fit the system. Perhaps the most impressive is the athletic offensive line that excels in both the zone-blocking scheme and pass protection. The state doesn't produce many high-quality football players, so the Ducks scoured the country to find the often-overlooked talent that has turned Oregon into a top program nationally.
In addition, the coaching staff has developed those players, particularly Thomas, said to have improved greatly. From the recruiting process, to player development, to in-game coaching, Chip Kelly has made his mark as one of the top minds in his profession and the proof is in the results.
All in all, it's a good time to be a Ducks fan.
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I would ramble on about the superior elements of UO's offensive attack
from the top down, but I would be beating a pile of bones that is all that is left of the dead horse that has been beaten around here for 3 years. I’ll just agree that envious is the correct way to describe my feelings when I watch them play.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
They are easy to root for...
and by God do I love Autzen. On my list of places to hit up for a game.
Hey, the system is not perfect. But, it's better than the one we had. Um, really? Joe Paterno led 4 undefeated teams under the old system that were not National Champions. With this "better" system, we've only had to endure a BCS controversy OR an inconclusive end to the following seasons: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.
I don't even want to get into a comparison of the fan bases and overall game atmosphere.
Ugh.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 22, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I know what you mean...
they are a rabid fan base that is starved for a football championship.
Hey, the system is not perfect. But, it's better than the one we had. Um, really? Joe Paterno led 4 undefeated teams under the old system that were not National Champions. With this "better" system, we've only had to endure a BCS controversy OR an inconclusive end to the following seasons: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.
by Mulliganville on Oct 22, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Too much taken for granted...
This year has made it clear that alot of fans don’t care unless we are in the NC contention. We have been soo good for so long that alot of us (me included) haven’t really enjoyed what we had with VY & McCoy.
Thanks for the write up
I don’t fault us for not going after those players. I do fault us for not having the rudimentary understanding of how to build an offense with a certain purpose. Darren Thomas has played the same amount of time as Gilbert, yet we’re still getting weekly reports about the coaches considering opening up the game or feeling a little bit more confident about Garrett as they change his diaper. Meanwhile, Thomas is running an infinitely more complicated (and exciting) offense at Oregon and throwing the ball all over the place (particularly down the middle of the field, a location somewhere between Valhalla and Mt. Olympus to the fan base by now).
yep
Playing to win versus playing to not lose.
by crocodile235 on Oct 22, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think another huge issue that is related that nobody talks about
is how the coaches don’t seem to trust the players. If they are inexperienced or have shown some weakness, GD will explicitly roll back the offense so that the team doesn’t beat itself (he thinks). If you look at some of the better offenses in the league (Boise, Oregon), they have a diverse, deep system in place, and it is up to the players to get to the point where they can be effective in the system, or they won’t play. It lets the OC do what he wants on gameday, it helps build player confidence, and it grows the system long term because you are never shutting down everything for a year because your team is “young”. I’ve wondered if the players on offense are actually being prevented from trying to do better because the coaches, Mack included, have so blatantly demonstrated a lack of trust in our players to execute on the offensive side of the ball.
P.S. And as always, they merely have to look at the defensive side of the ball for a good example. Muschamp doesn’t care if you’re a middle schooler who scammed his way onto the team; if you take that field, you are going to do what you are told or you’re coming out. There’s always somebody waiting to take your spot if you can’t do your job.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on Oct 22, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yup
Not trusting your players never does them or the team any favors. I agree they should just take a peek at the other side of the ball.
by GoHornsGo90 on Oct 22, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Felt envious too watching Oregon today
It’s fun watching a well-executed, well-coordinated, coherent offense.
by TheElusiveShadow on Oct 22, 2010 1:34 AM CDT reply actions
Great Post
I am actually a ducks fan. I accidently stumbled upon this post after clicking on the Oklahoma home page, which had a link to this. It is nice to see other programs giving fair and just credit w/o talking S*&!. I am a firm believer in being humble and a good sportsman. I thought this post was excellent. Thank you. I must say though, you may be envious of our current offense, but I am envious of your guys past success. You have an amazing tradition and success. You develop the best recruits(outside of CA). I would have loved to have been a fan when you had Vince Young beating USC in the championship or even recently with McCoy. Anyways, thanks for the good post, and I hope you guys have a successful rest of your season.
by Duckfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 3:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why is it that all I can think to say after reading this is that CA recruits got nothin on TX high school football.
Hard to argue with that....
Considering the Ducks’ starting QB, starting RB and arguably most athletic WR (true freshman Josh Huff) are all from Texas, it is hard to argue. I am quickly becoming a big fan of Texas high school football and hope more Texas recruits look to Oregon as a viable alternative for a quality college football career. :-)
by Vinny Knuckles on Oct 22, 2010 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Gus Malzahn
I’m a big big Mack Brown fan, and like Greg Davis too. But wouldn’t complain if Mack raids Auburn yet again for another coordinator. Anybody thinks there is a chance that Mack would go after Malzahn?
Mack recognized the failure of that co-defensive coordinator thing, and went and got the Auburn coordinator. I think it’s time for Mack to do it again, and think there is a good chance that he does it after this year.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
Malzahn will be a head coach in the next two years. I don’t see any way of getting him to come to Austin unless Muschamp leaves.
take the coordinator job at texas
make their offense explosive for a year
take head coaching job after that one year, and profit
it isn’t that complicated
season against Roseburg
Maybe next year the Ducks will open the season against Roseburg or St Mary’s. Who you kidding??
property management software
Return of the Quack?
Did Oregon sell their complete soul to Nike…finally? I’m pretty interested in hearing how the influence of Phil Knight and his evil Swoosh empire has impacted recruiting for Oregon. Can you imagine hearing as high school kid, “Well LeMichael, if you don’t make it to the NFL….Uncle Phil will take you under his wing (no pun indtended).”
Oregon is recruiting across the Horns nation. How the hell did the Longhorns let Darron Thomas (QB) and LeMichael James (RB, Heisman game changer), Josh Huff (WR), Blake Cantu (WR), Marcus Davis (DB), Lache Seastrunk (RB), Donte Williams (RB)…these are all Chip Kelly recruites (Fresh and Sophmores).
Can Oregon be the reason for the hurting Texas offense? Are Chip Kelly and Phil Knight stealing our recruits?
Is this what the world has come to? Nike obviously shot this video for Oregon:
I think
That the Nike angle does help. The facilities and funky uniforms at Oregon surely attract recruits. It’s just a different mentality. Some kids seek the new and flashy, some want the tradition. Both are understandable.
by crocodile235 on Oct 22, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree in spades.
They play as fast if not faster than the OU offense and thus have practiced against it extensively. The OU defense is not that strong (71st in total D) this year and the Ducks can score enough to win a shoot out.
The OU defense is best early in the game, especially when the offense is clicking. It wears down the last half, which is usually when Oregon’s offense shines.
NIke had absolutely nothing to do with that video
Supwithugirl created a similar song last year for the Rose Bowl run which generated a TON of publicity and probably made them a lot of money. They
Nike didn't shoot the video.
All done by students (using University facilities and resources of course).
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 22, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Oregon is a…different place. And it certainly is nice that Uncle Phil is a UO grad.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 23, 2010 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Recruiting is not the problem
Gilbert, Case, Chiles & Connor could all be trained to excel in the Ducks scheme.
Newton & Hills would also work well in it. When the D is gassed, these guys would be considered game breakers.
Not sure about the O-Line, but the receivers would certainly be coached up to block and run more concise routes.
We have a player development problem on offense, not a talent evaluation issue. Desean Hales would wreak havoc in the Oregon scheme.
DJ Monroe says hi
In a competent scheme, all of the UT running backs could be productive and overrated like James. When a back is running in space without getting blown-up at the point of attack, they seem to be perceived better than they really are (see Reggie Bush).
If Fozzy Whitaker had opportunites to sprint full speed in open space against confused and tired defenses, Fozzy could house it, too.
Oregon would take our recruits even on the offensive side of the ball and through player development and scheme achieve similar results if not better.
The underside of what your saying is that we don't really have a scheme.
GD/Mack are piecing together an offense, but unlike Oregon, Boise State, et. al., it is not a cohesive that carries on year over year. Learn the scheme and then it is a matter of execution.
Texas seems like it has taken the Barnes credo and hammered out an offense built around what it has – or perceives it has, from our experience – and then tinkers and adjusts as we go along. This is quite different than those schools. For a year and a half with VY and two solid years with Colt we had ‘set’ offenses, but this is a damn long way from running something cohesive at this point. I’m getting to think this lack of cohesion affects both recruiting and on-the-field performance. The Horn defense is such a vivid contrast to this.
James isn't overrated
Just because he performs well in a good system. He’s a great player and he’s much more talented than Fozzy.
by GoHornsGo90 on Oct 22, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In high school
I don’t recall the report or tape on James, but Fozzy’s high school tape was electric. Most programs would’ve taken Fozzy over James if pressed with that decision out of high school.
At Texas, how many times have you seen Fozzy take the football, run full-speed heading north-south, not be touched and face a single linebacker or safety out of position and sometimes with a receiver or lineman draping them. I can’t recall that has ever happened here for Fozzy, but occurs at least 4-5 times a game for James.
It’s the reason why I knew Reggie Bush was overrated. He faced 6-man fronts attempting to slow down the 2004 Heisman winner at QB. He’d take the ball behind a massive O-line and run untouched into the secondary. Meanwhile, Maurice Jones-Drew is doing everything at an undermanned UCLA squad, and turns out to be a much better pro.
I’m not even saying Fozzy or the UT backs are better than James right now, I’m just saying that the Oregon offensive players are put into positions to succeed. James is a good back, but the system greatly enhances his perceived talent. And, it also allows him to develop his skills and confidence.
Great point
I’m just saying that the Oregon offensive players are put into positions to succeed. James is a good back, but the system greatly enhances his perceived talent. And, it also allows him to develop his skills and confidence.
And this quality in a team is much more sustainable than where player X is “better” than player Y.
Hell, Thomas is probably Chiles if he goes to UT.
It takes talent and vision also...
That’s the problem with our running backs…none of them have power speed & vision = a great back. Fozzy has speed, no vision. Newton has vision, no speed. Johnson has vision & power, no speed.
LeMichael was great last year also. He’s an undersized back that is very competitive, powerful with great speed and vision. Kind of the same type of back as Chris Johnson of the Titans…just not quite as big.
It helps, but
with Gilbert they’d look differently but achieve similar results. You’d probably see more passing sure, but they’d exploit match-ups and use Gilbert’s ability to throw on the run. GG would still run it 10-15x per game.
Couldn't disagree more.
Much like RichRod, Chip Kelly needs the right quarterback to make this offense hum. If Nate Costa were starting this year, this team wouldn’t be nearly as dynamic.
i agree that it wouldn't be as dynamic...
..but I recall that one bowl game where Dixon was out, and they put in that QB Roper, who wasn’t as much of a running threat, and killed the opponent in the game. I know, it was a small sample size, but I feel they could still be successful.
by vy til i die on Oct 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Better example was Oregon's results after Dennis Dixon went down to injury...losing three games in a row to close out the season.
The issue there was that Nate Costa (the backup QB) tore a ligament in his knee earlier in the year
then Brady Leaf came in during the AZ game, broke his foot. So Oregon at that point was using their 4th and 5th string QB’s, both of whom were not very good (both transferred). When given time to gameplan, Kelly turned Roper into a real spread QB and Oregon completely demolished a good South Florida team.
Chip Kelly is a huge proponent of adapting your plays to the players you have
Joey Harrington was joking around with Kelly earlier in the year about how he could never be a QB in Oregon’s current system. Kelly, being completely serioius, said they would adopt the play calling to Harrington’s strengths. That kind of sums up Chip’s offensive philosophy in a nutshell
Playcalling this year is significantly different than last year due to Thomas being a much better passing QB
Yes.
The two games last year in which our offense was stymied (Boise State and Ohio State) were a direct result of Masoli’s relative weaknesses in the passing game and his propensity to take off rather than “stand and deliver.” IOW you can’t stack the box against Thomas, and you sure as heck better not bring up the safeties, as you saw last night.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 22, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're saying that Kelly would've groomed Thomas over Gilbert
You must be insane. And, especially if you liken Nate Costa to Gilbert. Oregon has had all sorts of injury/attrition issues at QB and they settled with the current guy. Chip Kelly would rock-n-roll with Gilbert, especially his ability to throw on the run.
I would say Mack’s not shying away from dual-threats, but shying away from smaller dual-threats. Mack does not want any injury/attrition issues and Cam Newton’s/Terrelle Pryor’s don’t grow on trees.
When you get a large, mobile passer with a good arm with an NFL pedigree in your own backyard, you take them. There is zero sense in challenging Mack’s takes when you have a succession of Vince Young, Colt McCoy & Garrett Gilbert. Pining for Oregon’s 3rd or 4th string QB that escaped from Texas is crazy-talk, or the very least revisionist recruiting history.
Thomas has turned into a really good player
I’m also not saying that Gilbert is out-performing Thomas by any stretch. I’m just saying Gilbert was the better prospect and that Kelly would develop him accordingly.
Uh? I don't really understand what you're getting at here.
I don’t think Gilbert would be the fit in the Oregon system the way that Thomas, Masoli, and Dixon did. Is that really controversial? Could he adapt the scheme? Maybe. But, while Garrett is a lot more mobile than he gets credit for, he isn’t threatening enough for the DE to “stay home” every play, whereas Thomas can gash you for big yardage if the DE crashes to the RB.
Pining for Oregon’s 3rd or 4th string QB that escaped from Texas is crazy-talk, or the very least revisionist recruiting history.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. No where have I said that I’d want Thomas as our QB, if that’s what you’re after. Or, at least, I wouldn’t want him in our current system (whatever that is).
My problem is that Mack and the staff don’t really know what they want. They just see top end recruits and sign them up with out any regard for placement in the system, because there isn’t one.
The reason that guys like Malzahn and Kelly are consistently productive is that they have an offensive philosophy that they stick to. My problem with this year all along (check post history to the preseason) is that Gilbert hasn’t been put in a position to succeed. We had the perfect system already in place for the kid and pulled out the rug from under him. One thing I know for sure, if Kelly had recruited Gilbert, he wouldn’t be forcing him into pro style sets…
by SuperHorn on Oct 22, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, with their specific system
something is lost when the QB isn’t a genuine run threat, and GG isn’t one, no matter how many people here keep saying he is.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
I need to differentiate something here, if only for myself.
There is the ideal of the skilled running QB. But in terms of the QB role in the game, it is the necessity to take what is given. You don’t have to have all-world running skills to do that, just timing and precision, which I think GG can handle just fine. Watching his body language, how his meets contact, how he moves in the hole shows me he can do more than many expect. He can execute that. His cut on the TD run was a thing a beauty and, with the field level shot, just perfect execution.
So, in football terms, he is a real running threat. Perhaps no where near the best runner at the position across the nation but he can execute the timing and make the gains to enforce the threat in the opponents’ mind. In football terms, creating the threat is the serious fulfillment of the offense; getting big yardage due to outstanding running ability is just gravy.
To be very specific:
Chip Kelly talks specifically about wanting a “quarterback who can run” as opposed to a “running quarterback” or a “runner who can throw.” DT is a quarterback who can also run.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 22, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see that but Texas didn't buy that model, for whatever reason.
They could afford the big Cadillac and understandably have problems on pasture roads and drag strips.
It boils down to talent and coaching.
Time to swallow our pride Longhorns and admit that we don’t have the offensive talent on the field that we’ve had in the past.
GD used up his ace in having Gilbert run last week. Let’s see what he pulls out of his bag of tricks tomorrow….maybe give DJ Monroe the ball twice??
+100
Our talent is there. It’s just not being developed.
Similarly, Oregon knows what they want, while we’re still starving for an identity. So, while we light up the recruiting boards with a hodgepodge of 4-5 star recruits, Chip Kelly can target specific players that he knows will fit his system.
If Darron Thomas were recruited by Texas, he’d be playing receiver right now. Consider that John Chiles was an even more polished passer coming out of high school…
One more thing.
You can be damn sure that Chip Kelly would have found a way to get DJ Monroe more than 11 touches this year in the Oregon offense.
Unfortunately,......
….. we may yet find out.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
+1
I don’t think we’ve seen a great improvement with anyone on offense from last year to this year. There has been SOME improvement this season but I am really disappointed with the lack of player development. It’s a big issue.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
As I noted above to Eskimohorn, having a cohesive and relatively set offense
probably has a lot to do with it. If you are making it up week-to-week and changing as you go, there is no means to really consolidate your learning and thus improve directly. That’s the only logic that seems to work for the offense this year (from spring training onward).
This is not the winged-T and wishbone of DRK or the I/pro-set of later years or Mackovic’s passing game. This is the herd mulling around and occasionally stampeding.
Mack/GD should have started designing a set offense from the moments the Bama game was over. Maybe they did, but if so, they screwed up big time. Maybe it is so complex (ala Mackovic) that it is difficult to master. I don’t know from looking exactly what we have. But I do know Oregon and Boise St. are light years ahead of us at this point.
We’ll do well tomorrow, but chances are those are just plays by talented kids, not a discernible, cohesive offense. Sadly, we probably won’t find that out until KSU or A&M.
I've been obsessed with this offense since Kelly turned an above average QB in Dennis Dixon, into a monster in one offseason.
This is the kind of offense I’d like to see Texas run. It’s the same mentality that Gus Malzahn at Auburn has…score as quickly as possible. The “hurry up, no huddle” as he calls it.
Our problem is that we don’t have any clear direction. That starts up top with Mack. He’s incorrectly correlated scheme with a rushing attack, instead of picking one scheme, recruiting the best players to fit that system, and working to be the best in the country at executing said system.
In a weird way, I was almost more frustrated watching Oregon last night than I was after the UCLA game. It was a perfect illustration of what Texas could be with a real identity.
Not exactly a model citizen since he's been at Oregon
Hard to imagine there wheren’t any issues before he headed up there.
University of Oregon football player LaMichael James has been sentenced for harassment.
In a Lane County Circuit Court hearing Friday morning, James was sentenced to serve 10 days in jail, with credit for one day already served, 24 months of probation and he is to have no contact with the victim.
James was arrested on charges of strangulation, assault and harassment.
That's not really his character.
In fact, the opposite. And he’s carrying a 3.+ grade average. I mean c’mon,We’re not Florida.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 22, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the article you should read if you want to know more of James' character
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28271575/LaMichael-James-Sentencing-Memorandum
This describes the incident in full. Make your own judgment from that, not the sensational journalism stories that wanted to pile on Oregon because is was a slow new month. After reading that some people still think he is in the wrong (mostly Beaver fans).
"Grabbed the victim by her collar"
That’s a nice way to say neck.
I’ve seen a lot of these. A lot of times they are fabricated to get the thing over with. Agreed upon content, whether true or false or a little of both.
The only reason that James accepted the plea deal was that if fought the charges....he would not have been able to go to classes
Ya no doubt,
better to have this on your record than fight it and miss some classes. Huh? Hell ya, that’s better.
Missing classes = Ineligible for football
Maybe Texas does things different but I thought that was a pretty obvious connection
Yes.
CK is adamant that all of his players attend every class. No excuses. No class, no practice. No practice, no suiting up for the game.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 23, 2010 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya you're right
The coach would rather him have this on his record too. Better to have this on your record than miss some games
Random thought
Jerrod Johnson was committed to the ducks before switching to A&M. Wonder if he’d be the starting QB there right now and how well he’d be doing in that offense.
That has got to be going through Johnny Manziel’s head right now.
Yes, but.....
….. what what impacted our assessment? Too many Longhorn fans want to falsely claim size, yet Johnny Manziel is bigger than Colt as a HS senior. I’ve said for awhile, we will regret letting Johnny play his football elsewhere.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Colt was a backup plan
in a time when there was zero depth at the QB position. At this point Texas is fairly flush with QB’s between Gilbert, McCoy, Wood and Ash. Not saying it is the right decision, but they are different situations as far as team needs in this recruiting class and the one McCoy was in.
I talked to a Tivy coach last year who said that Texas came by and evaluated him, but just never really had much interest. Could be an issue of early recruiting/evaluation biting us in the ass?
Manziel is still a couple of inches shorter than Colt
Much bigger difference than strength, which can be increased in the weight room.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 22, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong.
MaxPreps:
Johnny Manziel: 6’1", 190
Rivals:
Colt McCoy: 6’1", 180
Johnny Manziel: 6’1", 193
Scout:
Colt McCoy: 6’1", 185
Johnny Manziel: 6’0", 170 (still using last year’s #s when he scored 49 TDs)
40-Times:
Rivals:
Colt McCoy: 4.70
Johnny Manziel: 4.50
Scout:
McCoy: 4.75
Manziel: N/A
Kerrville beat Harlandale 71-6 Friday. That is 515 points for the season, an average of 57.22/game.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
We're kind of deep in young quarterbacks.
We’ve got one redshirting who we think is going to be special. We have another who is enough of an athlete that we’ve had him take snaps, line up in the slot, line up at RB, split wide just to get him on the field. Josh Huff I believe was recruited as a receiver although he played some QB. He’s been strictly a slot receiver and occasional RB. We also have a 4* from Florida verballed and another from Hawaii. Oh, and Thomas has 2 more years of eligibility. Manziel looks like a tough player but he’d be in a dogfight to take over from DT. I think he probably made the right choice in staying near his family.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 23, 2010 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty Boy Neuheisel
Anyone else get some pleasure out of seeing Pretty Boy Sweater Vest’s blank, stunned, ‘I just shit my pants’ looks?!?
And no, it wasn’t all because we lost this year to them. Neuheisel ranks in my top 5-7 of coaches that I hate with a passion.
No.
Why should we get pleasure? It’s not like UCLA did anything wrong — they came, they saw, they beat the (hmmmm) out of us. Then they went home.
Like we did to Nebraska.
I think
he’s a smug, arrogant douchebag. As I said before, it had nothing to do with this year’s loss. I think he was a douche at CU, I think he was a douche at UW, and I think he’s a douche at UCLA. In other words…..he’s a douche.
You...have...NO...idea.
Skippy Neuweasel has a special place in the deepest part of a Duck’s heart, starting with calling a TO with time expiring up 28 points in a bowl game while he was at Colorado and continuing through his douchebaggery at the U of Piss ‘n’ Purple.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 23, 2010 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Are you making us feel depressed. Truth hurt. I was told, we will be competing for MNC every year with Muschamp’s D. Someone forgot to mention, we still have Greg Davis. :T
Plus their uniforms don't suck so much anymore.
Before, I was so distracted by the bizarre look of their unis that I couldn’t concentrate on the game. Made them much easier to mock as well.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Oct 22, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
I liked those
Yellowish/green ones from last night. My favorite in years.
by GoHornsGo90 on Oct 22, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
The ’05-era “Highliter Yellow” was shockingly bright.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 23, 2010 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I was pretty jealous last night.
I almost cried when i saw that one handed catch.
Oregon
Just made our loss to UCLA even more embarrassing now. Oregon’s defense is no where as talented as ours and UCLA could not consistently move the ball on them but on us they put up 34… suit makes no sense whatsoever
by jtdiddy on Oct 22, 2010 1:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Matchup/Offensive impotence
In the 2nd half, UCLA stuck with their gameplan and pounded the option in order to consistantly run the ball. Had Oregon’s offense/special teams been equally inept, their defense would eventually succumb too.
by Eskimohorn on Oct 22, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OU fans getting a bit out of control
all in good fun, but c’mon now….Horns are drooping
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