Stats Are For Losers: Mack Brown and Texas Are Losers
Stats are for us -- we are losers. It was kind of funny a couple years ago when Will Muschamp famously said that stats are for losers. You could talk about stats and how you were sort of a loser but not because you were a Texas fan and the Longhorns were winning every week. Then, unfortunately, it became true.
Texas became a loser this season and Mack Brown started trotting out stats every week showing just how much of a loser he and the program had become. This week, the minions in Belmont were working overtime to find some succulent stats for Mack. Thanks, y'all, saved my lazy ass some trouble.
Here goes, losers:
- Last season, the Longhorns had forced 25 fumbles, the same number as this season. The major difference is that last year Texas recovered 12 of those fumbles, but have only recovered six this year. The 'Horns recovery percentage of 24% is 115th in the country. And hey, Texas could have kicked at least four or five field goals if they had managed to fall on those six extra fumbles.
- Of the 11 scoring drives for the Longhorns of 39 yards of less, Texas has scored touchdowns on only two of those -- that's 18%. Should that be enough to get your coordinator fired? You tell me.
- Opponents have had the same number of scoring drives of 39 yards or less and have converted eight into touchdowns -- nearly 73%.
- Of the 13 scoring drives accounting for 70 or more yards, the Longhorns have scored 10 touchdowns -- 77% of those scoring drives.
- After 11 non-offensive touchdowns in 2009 (four INT returns, two punt returns, two punt blocks, and two kickoff returns, and one fumble recovery returned for a touchdown), the Longhorns have scored only one this season, in the first game against Rice.
- Last season, Texas capitalized on 36 turnovers forced by scoring 120 points -- three and a third points per turnover. This year the 'Horns have forced 11 turnovers and scored 33 points -- three points per turnover. The problem isn't necessarily converting after turnovers, it's the lack of turnovers, only 30% of the turnovers forced last season.
- To support that stat, Brown mentioned that if you lose more than three turnovers, you have a 90% chance of losing. This season, Texas lost four or more turnovers against Texas Tech, UCLA, Iowa State, and Kansas State. The good news -- Texas is ahead of the curve in winning one of those four games. At 25%, the Longhorns are 15% ahead of the curve. Celebration time!
- Interceptions have been a major difference as well. In 2009, Texas intercepted one out of every 18.4 passes -- 25 out of 460 throws. The 2010 season has seen the 'Horns intercept only five out of 204 passes, 2.4%, a drop-off of basically two-thirds.
- As well-documented on the Longhorn interwebs, the offense/special teams has put the defense in numerous difficult situations -- 10 of the 27 scoring drives against the defense have started inside the 40, with half of those inside the 15.
Being a loser is one thing, being out of touch is another. Texas fans have every reason to appreciate Mack Brown. There's no argument that he's the second-best coach in the history of the storied program and that he turned the program around at a crucial time by uniting the the disparate forces that have the power to make the University of Texas one of the most influential and profitable football programs in the country.
This season, though, every week there are moments when it becomes apparent that Mack Brown doesn't fully have a grasp on what is going on in the football program and in the fanbase. The latter is forgivable, the former is not. Scipio Tex documented a strange comment by Brown on Monday about no longer wanting to hold the team acocuntable for poor performances in wins, instead embracing every victory as if the program aspires simply to beat the Rices of the world.
On Wednesday, Brown was once again demonstrating his disconnect from reality. According to the Texas head coach, the discontent related to the offense revolves around a reflexive desire by Texas fans to irranationally dislike the offensive coordinator, head coach, and quarterback when the team struggles. After all, it's happened before.
Brown is correct in discussing the calls for the benchings of Vince Young, though his argument that 'Horns fans wanted Colt McCoy on the bench are a bit extreme -- rumblings about wanting snaps for Chiles never grew particularly loud. Ultimately, the takeaway is really that Greg Davis' offense has always been on the brink of disaster and any calls for a dual-threat quarterback are a nod to the reality that a dual threat quarterback must be behind center for a Greg Davis offense to be successful.
All of that only addresses a small element of Brown's comment. The issue is that Brown doesn't undersatnd why Texas fans are upset with the team. The hue and cry disparaging this team is about outcomes, for one, which Brown actually acknowledged by giving the coaching staff a collective "F," and for another, the lack opponent-specific gameplans by Greg Davis, a consistent issue over the years and a major component to the failures this season. By this line of argument, the Nebraska is a perfect example of how the team could have achieved been given some actual schematic advantages.
It's about poor recruiting and evaluations, about poor player development. Complacency on the offensive side of the ball with the coaching staff. These are systematic problems, not some strange yet reflexive whim of the message board fan in reaction to recent losses. And let's be real here, when the football team is losing in unprecedented ways, why shouldn't the reaction of the fans be unprecedented as well?
Brown mentioned a backlash against the head coach. Why not, when the head coach has no answers, throws his assistant coaches under the bus, then acts surprised when the media and fans react to those comments?
Offensive struggles are merely a symptom of a greater disease. Brown has had no answers at all this season
Brown mentioned a backlash against the quarterback. And there is. There are those out there calling Gilbert worse than Chris Simms, about the ultimate insult for a Texas quarterback. Yet, the fact of the matter is that there isn't a major consensus to replace Gilbert.
Rather, fans simply want a return of the two-time state champion Gilbert they knew and loved. A Gilbert now gone, replaced by a quarterback who doesn't have an identiy amidst an offense with no identity. There's some sentiment that Gilbert is worse than Chris Simms right now, about the ultimate insult for a quarterback at this school.
Where Brown is wrong in comparing the quarterback situation right now to previous calls in recent years. Texas fans aren't calling for Case McCoy. They want the familar Garrett Gilbert. The guy who was supposed to be a star in burnt orange.
It's like the thoughtful, knowledgeable, probing segment of the fan base doesn't exist for Brown. The fan of which always speaks is always the lowest common denominator. It's rather condescending, frankly.
Or how about this, Mack? Your team keeps getting behind against the worst rush defenses in the country and can not or will not run the ball. Your stated intention before the season. The running game is a failure on every level. Your hand-picked running back is now a fat h-back who apparently has no ability to re-direct, judging from Nebraska's punt return touchdown. Garrett Gilbert has made some poor decisions, but he doesn't suck. It's just everything else related to the offense that sucks. Truly everything.
Fans aren't calling for you leave, Mack. They want you to fix these systematic problems and that probably means firing some assistant coaches on the offensive side. If you refuse to do that because of misplaced loyalty, then we can talk about the need for you to step down before things get even worse. Yes, they could get worse.
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Texas is 110-4 when outrushing an opponent under Mack Brown. We are 22-27 when we don’t.
Although it’s folksy to say that stats are for losers I can almost guarantee you that Muschamp carefully looks over those same stats after each game.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 11, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions
That stat is a bit misleading.
When a team is winning a game, the opponent likely will throw the ball to use up less clock. Conversely, the winning team will likely have run the ball more to use up more clock. The stat is biased by the sample you’re selecting from in both directions heavily.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 12, 2010 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
The bottom line is the same
When you run the football and your opponent does not, you win the game.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 12, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
But it isn’t informative to say that, the causal relationship is more complicated.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 12, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
People tend to overcomplicate football
It’s not about sample sizes, standard deviations and bell curves. It’s about executing, running, blocking and tackling.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 12, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
People tend to oversimplify it too.
cough Greg Davis cough
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 12, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Zen of Patience...aka Disconnected From Reality
When the Yankees were down in a few games, commentators admired how calm the Bronx Bombers were. No faces showed angst…they trusted in their ability to get out of any jam and make anything happen. After all, they have done it dozens (hundreds?) of times before. Of course, they had the pleasure of watching the World Series from the comfort of their own Lazy-Boys. A cautionary tale…
Mack seems to exhibit a similar lack of concern or worry. Yet, his team is routinely sucking up the joint. He’s expressed his frustration at coaches, at fans, at player execution…but it doesn’t have an air of urgency to solve it. There’s no mission in his voice. He has his palms to the ceiling, sort of saying “hey, I’m just as frustrated as you guys are, but what are you going to do?”
You can’t always have a perfect season…some go a little south of expectation. But this is an abomination…it is inconsistent with the Texas brand and legacy of the school and program. Mack and his staff shouldn’t be frustrated…nor confused…
It’s simple: Fire Greg Davis (FGD)…how obvious does it have to be?? Put Will Muschamp on notice and send out a search party for “Coach Boom”. Lastly Mack, give yourself an ultimatum: Fix it or fire yourself.
Mack should be ashamed of himself and pissed off at everyone else. The rest of us are…
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
I don't think it is a lack of concern by Mack.
I think he doesn’t have a clue how to fix things, or he would have fixed them already. If he doesn’t even know what is wrong or how to fix it, he needs to either retire or bring in a consultant.. There was a rumor that was happening but Mack’s ego wouldn’t allow it. Mack announced that he was the consultant! Fans will accept a down season so long as we see improvement, so long as we see that problems are identified and resolved in a timely manner. That is clearly not happening. The same mistakes are made by the same players game after game. Mack himself has set the bar high and should not be surprised with frustration and blame when he and the team fall far short of that bar.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
True
Good point…he does seem baffled by it all.
But as your DKR quote says, “Only angry people win football games.” Mack should be showing a lot more anger right now….and starting about 5-6 weeks ago. Even our wins haven’t been stellar (with a possible asterisk on Nebraska).
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
I wouldn't asterisk Nebraska.
We got really, really lucky. We did protect the ball better, though, probably because we only threw 16 times.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 12, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
We should thank their receivers
for saving us from a six game losing streak.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 12, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
check
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 12, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I was listening to Mack
on 1300 last night and he basically said what he always does. That fans think there needs to be a change in coaching and its simply not true, he and the staff are fixing the problems and they will get fixed.
Like everyone says the only way Greg leaves is if Mack does. Then again maybe Dodds will step in and force Macks hand. But then again Dodds might be best buds with him too.
Those Three Need To Go Play Hungry Hippos...
Dodds, Brown and Davis.
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
just . . .wow
that statement is so far out of whack, it’s reached comical.
dodds should go? why? for making the texas ‘brand’ as powerful as its ever been across the board? for getting through tough negotiations and getting the best for texas? for getting world class facilities for our student athletes and students to use?
please, step back from the ledge just a bit and garner some perspective.
by unknownidiot on Nov 11, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm...it was SUPPOSED to be comical.
But now that you mention it….
Greg Davis: epic FAIL
Mack Brown: borderline epic FAIL for not reading the writing on the wall at how badly Davis is doing and Mack’s inability to pull the trigger.
DeLoss Dodds: Letting Mack do his thing as CEO of football, but as Mack’s exec sponsor, he does need to help Mack clear the fog.
The Hungry Hippos thing was just a tad ironic and better than saying the 3 should go bowling together.
Easy…step away from the trigger good man…just having some fun here.
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
got the ironic part . . .
just saying that, in no way would we want dodds gone. man has carried his weight and infinitely more in getting done all that he’s accomplished.
and, y, i agree and support dodds in helping mack assess, after the season, the good, bad and ugly and contribute, via oversight, in addressing the numerous areas in which the football program is currently stumbling.
by unknownidiot on Nov 11, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Add President Powers and the Board of Regents to that list
How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?
Lighten up, dude!
The hungry hippos thing was pretty funny & nothing that bad at all. Get a grip!
1300 AM *Longhorn* station is paid to spin the story
Ever notice how the 3 regular commentators on there always spin issues the way management wants the public to see things?
- it’s a matter of execution and mistakes by players GG is still learning
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- Mack has won x# games every program goes through down years
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— the fans need to show up this Saturday and support the team by being positive
blah blah blah….etc
How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?
Clap, clap, clap
yawn.
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
1300 AM sucks !
I am sick and tired of 1300 AM. Granted that we must support the Horns because this is Austin. But “common mannnnnnnnn” (mimicking A-Brooks), we want to hear more about who’s not doing their jobs. These guys are yapping the whole entire day repeating on what MB said. You need to establish an identity. Why do we love Charles Barkley? Because that guy speaks his mind no matter if you are a Kobe or LeBron.
by HBCCharger on Nov 12, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
mack vs macko
Some of Mack’s statements yesterday brought back memories of Mackovic and his total disconnect from the fans. What’s the big deal about losing to Rice?
A story about the last employer I worked for
before I went to work for myself. We had a receptionist that frequently called in sick, especially on Mondays. I happened to be in the boss’s office when the firm admin. came in to tell him the receptionist called in sick again. The boss said. “Fire her! I mean it! F’’ing fire her right now! And this time hire somebody with some t*ts!”
TO MACK:
Fire GD! We mean it! F’ing fire him right now! And this time hire (or promote) somebody who can coach! If you don’t, and we lose Muschamp, all hell will rain down on you! As it is we’re taking on water faster than a frat boy (no offense tv’r11) chugging from the sink at 4:00 a.m. on Saturday morning. I just hope your ego hasn’t gotten so big that you would take this ship down rather than steer it in the right direction. Keep in mind, Mack: The captain goes down with the ship.
TO GBR: Absolutely awesome post!
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 11, 2010 12:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he doesn't have anyone better to take his place
If he fired GD in the lame duck end of our season, who does he promote on an interim basis? Major? He has not been shiny at all.
There's some good discussion, I think, of the pros and cons of Major
in “Offensive Coordinators” by people who are far more qualified to write on the subject than I am, but since you asked – If MB fired GD right now, Major would probably be the only choice that makes sense. I don’t think any of the others do. I suppose another option would be for Mack to take the reins, but I suspect that Major is far more ready to step in immediately than Mack would be. If you put Major in that position right now, you’re making a commitment to continue with him at least through next season, which removes the possibility of bringing in an established OC whiz like Malzahn (sp?) or the others that have been discussed, at least until Major has had a chance to prove whether he can do the job. If we can believe some of what we are reading about the relationship between Boom and Major and their feelings about the current state of affairs, it may make a lot of sense to give him a try next year anyway. I can’t help but think, but only because I so much want GD gone, that the offensive chemistry would improve. Stranger things have happened. Didn’t the Stros start hitting better almost immediately after they brought in Bagwell as batting coach in the second half of this season, at least for a little while? Not sure about that. It might be smarter to wait until after the season to make the change, but saying Fire GD Now paralleled nicely with the quote from my old boss back in 1990. I guess you could sum up what I just said with “I really don’t know crap,” and you wouldn’t be too far from wrong. But if the decision was in my hands, and the only option I was given was, we’ll get rid of GD, but only if we do it right now and replace him with Major, there is no question what I would say.
Why do you say that Major has not been shiny at all? I frankly don’t know if he’s any good or not, but I would like to think any appearance of failure is attributable mostly to decisions made by GD/MB: their schemes, their lack of meaningful game-planning, and their somewhat questionable recruiting choices in certain instances. I mean, how much can Major really do with the RBs when the blocking, passing sucks, and receiving are marginal at best and our backs are only so-so. I’m open to your answer.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 11, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
What I would like to hear is Major's answer to those questions.
Every OC has a pet system, their personal ideal. The scale of his knowledge of the game should be thorough, plus he has a player’s perspective and that should give a certain utilitarian edge to his perspective.
So, I guess I’m asking: What would be Major’s conception of the offense?
And, as a follow-up: How would he adapt it to Texas personnel?
From what I see right now, there seems to be little or no systemic offense.
I would love to know, too
but there’s no way that information will ever make it through the Berlin Wall Mack places around any meaningful information about the program. There may be some on BON who actually have an informed opinion on the subject and it would be great to hear from them on it. What kind of offense did he run at Syracuse, Rice and Alabama? It couldn’t be any worse than what we are living and dying with right now. As you said, there seems to be little or no systemic offense. For someone like me who is not strong on Xs and Os and has not played organized ball since the 8th grade, however, I look at what Major did on the field. My recollection is that he was confident, football smart, could adjust, could handle adversity (waited patiently on the bench while Simms gave his version of I-really-could care-less football and then came within one missed field goal of beating Colo. in the Big 12 championship game after Simms hurt his pinkie and then overcame his own interceptions to beat the Huskies in a bowl game), is a leader, and is (drum roll, please) a winner, most of which GD is definitely not. Our current system appears to be nothing more than run a few junk plays to see what the defense will do, then have a few running plays because we want to be able to run the ball, then start chunking the ball down the field. Again, the only adjustment GD has made since the start of the season this year was to let GG run. Many would argue that the only adjustment he made with VY or Colt was to let them start running, and in VY’s case, I wonder if that was GD’s adjustment or VY’s. GD and MB did make an adjustment before the start of the season, a very poor and failed adjustment, to become an under-the-center power running team without the personnel to do it. I too would love to know what Major would do. And there’s only one way to find that out. Let him do it. I dreamed last night, no BS, that offensive play calling was on the depth chart, and Major’s name was there. We can only dream . . . for now.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 12, 2010 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Insight to Major's Offense at Rice
Rice Offense Scheme
We’ll run a spread type offense. Obviously, spreading the field with WRs to throw the ball, but more so to clean up the defensive looks for our run game.
I thought Major’s response to changing the moral of the Rice team was interesting.
Changing the attitude. We talk to our players every day about their attitudes and their attitude toward winning. There has been such a negative tone over the Rice program in the recent past that it’s vital we explain to those around and directly affiliated with the program that this must change. Our players have to understand what they can actually sanction as a viable opinion. As an athlete on a team, there are really only a few opinions that really matter … your coach, your teammates, and your own.
ATX
can't argue with either
thanks, Atownatx
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 12, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the link. That's a fun interview everyone should read.
It reveals a lot about Major.
He understands adaptability for a program and its athletes. He has a definite sense of football culture and its role in the program. He’s got a sense of humor and doesn’t take himself seriously.
I had the good fortune to interview him for my paper a few months after the 2001 bowl game at an alumni/scholarship fundraiser. He was patient to a fault with every person and kid there…lots of kids…signed their autographs and talked to them for as long as they wanted, a couple of hours in this case.
I asked how he was taking the ‘legend’ business and he said it was the most amazing response he has ever seen, everywhere in the state he went, everyone he talked to. We all might think it is great to get that kind of attention, but in fact, it is a strong demand on anyone and many fall prey to the self-importance and attachment to fame. Major was well aware of his responsibilities, to himself and to those he represented, and came across as sincere and humbled by what had occurred in his life but he understood life moves on and so does the spotlight.
All this is a long way of saying he appears to have great human judgment and understands the roots of problems must be solved, not just the symptoms.
I’m sure this period will be quite instructive one for his future, wherever his fate may take him.
Major . . .
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 13, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Applewhite
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 13, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Why do you say that Major has not been shiny at all?
Maybe because we recruit RB’s that disappear in the H-back slot?
We could try using one of those lottery machines that pick the numbers. We could call it Texas OC Lotto. Just put the plays in there, say 70 of them. 35 runs and 35 passes, only allowed two bubble screens and two WR screens. Spin that sucker each offensive play and see what comes up.
Seriously, Major couldn’t be any worse.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 11, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
PS:
Could someone PLEASE change the masthead on the www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com site? Maybe replace “Four-Time National Champions” in the header banner to “FORMER National Champions”. This team and coaching staff aren’t even in the shadow of those teams.
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
Mack loves his Stats. I think everyone can agree with that, right?
Mack’s favorite stats: all those players he coached in the NFL; how many seasons of 10+ wins, consecutive bowl games, etc. Mack really, really loves his stats, because it makes Mack look really, really good. The team? Eh. But as long as Mack looks really, really good, Mack is happy. Mack knows who is #1. #2 is Greg Davis. (In more ways than one)
"I don't know. You'll have to ask Greg (Davis). He calls the plays." - Mack Brown
Great post GBR
I would add that it’s especially frustrating when Mack points to the accomplishments of teams past as validation that the right coaches are on board. Some of these accomplishments were due to transcendent talents that performed in spite of the game day coaching going on. I’ve usually admired Mack for the class he’s shown but his behavior this season has been revealing.
Your write up is exactly how I feel about this year’s team and coaching staff and, yes, it can get worse. The team is losing football games but Mack risks losing his legacy.
revealing?
or revolting?
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 11, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
How many Big 12 championships have we won in Mack's tenure?
How many has Stoops managed to pull out from under us and how bad are his ‘down’ years? (8-5 is looking pretty good right about now.) Don’t really want to hear about the great accomplishments we’ve had here, we’d rather find a fix for this mess.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 11, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
FIRE GREG DAVIS
After watching Greg Davis retard the development of countless Blue Chip Recruits over the years, he’s finally being exposed nationally as the fraud we’ve known him to be for years. Sign the petition at www.FireDavis.com!
always love what you have to say...
…and this time its no different. Mack’s loyalty, although admirable, might be his downfall. It actually sort of reminds of of Bush, whose loyalty to his friends was one of the biggest reason why it took him forever to make things better.
Mack needs to understand, with the amount of money, talent and fan base that Texas has now, what he was able to pull in the late 90s is not necessarily something he can pull on us now. He needs a reality check, and if he aint gonna take it, he will be shown the door unceremoniously.
I really love Mack and I hope it never comes to him being treated like Bowden. But as he saw in Bowden’s case, the guy who was FSU football, was shown the door by FSU. The money now a days is too much in football programs and hence the AD has the same mentality as a stone-cold businessman.
by vanterminatorhorn on Nov 11, 2010 1:59 PM CST reply actions
also let me repeat what ive said before and have been constantly saying...
…GG is NOT the problem. GG’s performance is a result of bigger problems that exist. It is obvious that Mack thought that putting everything on the shoulders of GG to make him make the team ‘his’ would be the right thing to do. Now he is having to do damage control for his old comments.
GG has shown the ability to step up but also, unsurprisingly, he has failed at to do so like any first year starter would that has NOTHING around him in the offense to help out.
Now we are looking at a situation where the confidence of a extremely good quarterback has been demolished. Rather than making GG develop, I think mack has really hindered the QB’s progress. It seems he is now trying to correct his mistake by saying he kept GG in to show him he is the future.
GG can not be asked to do everything, cuz then either youw ill get the GG of Baylor, or the GG of K state. Fix the other problems Mack, fix ’em now!
by vanterminatorhorn on Nov 11, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
It's a larger systemic problem
stemming from talent evaluation and development in the RB’s and OL. I believe that the OL and DL are the most important parts of your team and I’ve just despised watching our OL get pushed around over the last two or three years. I can put up with losing a few games but not getting pushed around up front.
I’ve been saying for years that we place two much pressure on the QB here and I place that more on Davis than on Mack. My dislike for this man’s offense has passed the epic and unhealthy stage and has now graduated to pure cynicism. I still believe that we could have won last year’s NC game were it not for the fact that the entire offense was taken out in one play against what is basically the same ’Bama team that is currently ranked 12th in a down year in college football. Alabama was not last year and is not this year a 2005-caliber championship team.
We’ve taken the right steps by recruiting what look like promising linemen and a stud running back but we should have never reached this point, a point where we routinely expect the opponent to whip our OL week in and week out (watch the running game when we play Florida Atlantic). T
I posted something last week I think asking people who should be our QB in two years and GG was the favorite by 45% to 26% for Case McCoy. I think a lot of people realize what a crappy hand GG has been dealt and I admire him for the classy way he’s handled the situation. In fact he’s handled it much better publicly than has Mack. Publicly lashing out at the players, coaches and fans is not the way Paterno would handle it.
I’m willing to give Mack a break because of his record here but he needs people around him who can spot talent and develop it. And stop telling the QB he needs to do more. Everybody else needs to do more.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 11, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad
What happens when you are struggling is everybody blames the offensive coordinator, the head coach and the quarterback.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
by Magnificent Bastard on Nov 11, 2010 2:43 PM CST reply actions
For those of you who seem to think no one is calling for Mack's head . . .
. . . I would suggest a perusal of the Barking Carnival (or “Fire Mack NOW!!!” as it is becoming known) blog.
Barking Carnival is teh awes0mest
for sure, but I dont know if thats the general theme there. Theyre doing excellent analysis, just as BON is, searching for the root cause of the catastrophe that is 2010 Longhorn Football. I think the more insightful critics still believe Mack is good for the program, but they are reserving judgement until we see what he does to right the ship this offseason.
If the rotten part of the staff is amputated (GD, a must go) then I fully believe that any negativity directed towards Mack will dissipate quickly.
Reiterating the "Accepting the suck" articles comment by the UTenn guy
No matter if your facilities are made of gold and the money rains down on your new sided stadium, the talent can still go away for years and leave you in an over glorified football tomb. I appreciate what Mack (and to refer to unknownidiots comment) Deloss have done, but just because we can watch ourselves from our distant cities on a super cool money producing television, playing in our awesome stadium, doesn’t mean we will want to if we are going 5-7.
Random
but a friend of mine (from the Bay Area) is saying this season is payback for Mack “whining his way into the Rose Bowl” over Cal. I can’t find the link for the breakdown of why this wasn’t the case. Anybody help me out?
oh, yeah, that was the year that we beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl,
and Tech killed Cal in another bowl. All coaches lobby. I have no problem with Mack politicking for the team. It may be one of his best qualities.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 11, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
2004 season, the season before we won the NC in the Rose Bowl.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 11, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
The post you’re referring to was posted by a Syntex on Hornsfans back before BON:
The Pac 10 commish, the Cal coach, and many others are harping on some of the voting patterns that may have tainted the BCS. Let’s talk about it. Let me take item by item some of the problems that have been discussed (and I will make adjustments accordingly).
— You complain about the 3 Texas based AP voters who switched and put Texas ahead of Cal. I’m gonna switch it back for ya. (typing). There you go!
— You complain about the Alabama jerk who suddenly realized Texas is not the #9 team, but he suddenly moved us up to #5. Bear in mind, he still had Texas behind you guys, but what the hay? Let’s take away those four points from Texas, shall we?
— You are offended (and you have a case) that some coaches put Texas #2 or #3. You are right. That is wrong. I’m taking it all away. I will take away those points from Texas, and because y’all are so damn confident that you unequivocally outrank Texas, I will reassign all these #2/#3 Texas coach votes to Texas as a #5 vote. (More typing). There we go! And I’m being so nice today, I’m gonna go ahead and leave the pro-Cal #3 vote that mysteriously appeared in the final coaches poll.
— You are offended that 6 coaches put you #7 or #8. Yes, that’s wrong, too. Forget the fact that 8 coaches had Texas #7 or #8, the media is not mentioning that fact at all, but whatever. What I will do for y’all… I will take all 6 Cal #7/#8 votes, and because y’all are so convinced you are the better team, I will magically turn those into #4 votes, ahead of Texas.
So where do we stand after all these very generous changes?
Texas 0.8442
Cal 0.8397
0.0045
That’s right. We eliminated a little more than half of the difference. So much for the razor thin margin. So much for the conspiracy taking away your Rose Bowl bid. Y’all need to get together, figure out another injustice, and let me know, so we can try to plug a way for you guys to win.
OK. Now that I have mathematically shown (and given you all are very smart students at Berkeley, and you know based on what I said above, I’m right), let me give you all the reasons why you need to shut up already and just accept your damn Holiday Bowl bid.
1. The "Conspiracy Effect" Doesn’t Add Up
This is what was just proven above. In the end, it makes for a neat Trev Alberts, PTI, New York Times, Seattle Times story, but it didn’t really matter.
2. You Outranked Us in Both Human Polls
Al Gore wanted a recount, investigations, because he had LOST the human vote. You guys won it, damn it! Not only do you outrank us #4/#5 in the coach’s poll, but you have the added benefit of a wedge (Utah) to outrank us #4/#6 in the AP poll. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?? How can you allege fraud in the human polls, when in the end, they WENT IN YOUR FAVOR?
Forget the fact that both teams have identical records, and a good case to make as both teams lost to undefeated national title contenders. It’s understandable that some voters will vote Cal #4/Texas #5, and vice versa. If you refuse to accept that premise, you are being naive. It is not a slam dunk case, that in every voter’s mind, that you are better than Texas. You know it and we know it. I will never argue that every voter should have Texas higher than Cal, and you should never argue the opposite. It’s a grey area.
And in the end, the grey area was in your favor. You are unhappy, because it wasn’t overwhelmingly ENOUGH in your favor. Oh well.
3. There’s a reason the computers liked Texas
Cal’s cumulative opponents win/loss was 61-61, a perfect breakeven.
Texas’ cumulative opponents win/loss was 67-56, 11 games over 0.500
That’s right. The best way we can try to demote our schedule to your level, is to pull out the undefeated 12-0 record of our best opponent, Oklahoma. But given that you guys bitch and bitch and bitch how close you came to beating your undefeated opponent, I don’t think we can accomodate you there.
We beat 5 teams that had 7 or more victories. You defeated one. One. One team that won 7 or more games.
4. Be fair about each of our losses.
I am more than willing to grant you that you played USC better than we played OU. But don’t go saying that you practically beat USC (because you outgained them, and your wideout tripped on his route), while we got blown out by OU. The score of the OU game at halftime was Oklahoma 3, Texas 0. It was Oklahoma 6, Texas 0 up until 8 minutes in the 4th quarter. I realize that given you are Pac 10 fans, you must shiver when you see such a defensive struggle. But this was a very close game.
Again, we did not do as well against our rival as you did against yours. You guys were close. But don’t go saying that we were blown out by OU.
5. Be fair about each of our sloppy wins.
Kansas. Boy, the media sure loves that game. We played sloppy in that one no doubt, but you guys know that as time was winding down, the Oregon WR dropped a wideopen, easy pass that puts them well within field goal range. So those are both near misses against sub-0.500 teams.
Arkansas. Well, I was happy with that one, it was an electric environment. It was probably closer than it should have been. Honestly, I do think this is a wash with your Southern Miss game. On the road, close at the end (game was nearly tied 17-16 with a mere 6 minutes left). But in the end, the better team won.
If you try to assert that any of our wins beyond KU and Arkansas were low quality or squeakers in nature, you are wrong (in my opinion). I attended and re-watched each of these games. Kansas and Arkansas made me sweat, but as the games concluded, none of the others were really in question, and they were all by reasonable victory margins. Yes, a comeback was needed against Okla State, but we won that game by 21 points.
6. Quit harping on the Big 10/Pac 10 sanctity crap.
For years, the Rose Bowl has been diligent in preserving tradition by always inviting the champion of the Big 10, to play the champion of the Pac 10.
Three teams: Michigan, Cal, and Texas. Only one of them meets this tradition, and last time I checked, that team is going to the Rose Bowl. Tell me, again, how the tradition is being violated.
7. Quit saying Mack Brown’s "whining" did the trick.
While you and Utah were off, and after we defeated a ranked A&M team in a rivalry game, Mack Brown made public statements asking for voters to reconsider their votes. Some have portrayed this as "whining," some may say he was politicking, but whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter. He was certainly making an appeal to voters.
When the polls came out merely 2 days later (again bearing in mind that Texas beat a ranked team, Cal and Utah were off), here’s what happened: Cal GAINED 4 points relative to Texas in the human polls. Texas LOST ground after defeating a ranked team by 13pts, while Cal was off. If ANYTHING, the "whining" backfired. It clearly didn’t help.
Here’s a thought…. maybe Cal lost ground in the human polls in the following week (a full 9 days after Mack’s “whining”) because of a subpar performance against a mediocre conference USA opponent. Because they were virtually tied with Southern Miss with only 6 minutes remaining in the game. Not because of Mack’s "whining." And if you think it is wrong for Cal to be penalized on ballots because they didn’t look good against a mediocre opponent — welcome to college football. Teams have constantly been tweaked because of soft performances. Nebraska, in 1997, lost considerable votes (relative to Michigan) when it needed some luck to squeak by Mizzou. The precedent is ample, and reasonable. In fact, Texas according to many voters was being penalized for its performance against Kansas. What goes around, comes around.
(Edit: Sincere apologies, slight math error on BCS estimate now corrected. Clear I didn’t go to Berkeley! Net effect of edit only 0.0006, so immaterial to the conclusion)
by hodad on Nov 11, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Thank you sir
I’ve used this several times over the years but could not find it anywhere.
This. Is. Awesome.
Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.
Feels nice to remember being relevant.
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
Great work
I’m one of those readers who come here everyday, but hardly comment since people smarter and more knowledgeable than me have already expressed what I have.
I felt compelled to comment today because this is one of the best pieces of analysis I have read in a long times. Congrats GoBR.
Great Post
My sentiments exactly.
Does anybody listen to 104.9 the horn? I listen to it fairly regularly and today for the first time I paid attention to the little segway piece when they return from the commercial breaks. Its a compilation of sound bytes from Cowboys and UT games, interviews and other random sound clips. There is one of Mack saying something along the lines of “This team should compete for a National Champioinship every year…” When I heard this, my heart dropped, I nearly had to pull over. Mack’s confidence in himself has dwindled to the point he wants to be proud of victories over Rice. His sound clip is right, Texas should be in title contention every year. It kills me to think our charismatic confident coach has lost it to this point.
Here’s a Miller Lite to him getting it back in the offseason. Cheers, see some of yall DT!
1300 AM *Longhorn* station is paid to spin the story
Is 104.9 (FM) the same as 1300 AM, the Longhorn station? Ever notice how the 3 regular commentators on there always spin issues the way management wants the public to see things?
~ it’s a matter of execution and mistakes by players
~ GG is still learning
~ Mack has won x# games
~ every program goes through down years
~ the fans need to show up this Saturday and support the team by being positive
blah blah blah….etc
How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?
Garrett Gilbert 7 TD, 14 INT
is another stat (which Mack would never speak publicly)
Not saying it’s all GG’s fault, or it’s time to bench him, but he does need to learn how to read coverage better (coaching issue?), not telegraph throws, fake RB handoffs better, and mobilize/improvise if the pocket collapses.
That said, the biggest weakness is our o-line and its coaching.
How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?
+1
MacWhorter’s group is quite simply horrible, for two years now.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 12, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty damned funny...
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7343131/
Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas - Senator William Blakley
Let's not joke around here
you guys would KILL to have chris simms first full season as QB instead of GG’s. (or even chris simms 2000 season).
2001: 214 ATT/ 362 Comp, 22 TD’s, 11 Ints, 6 Rushing TD’s, 11-2 Record (Yes, the championship game was bad, so what? At least you got there)
His Career Accomplishments:
2nd Highest Passer Rating (Career) – 138.4. (Behind Colt McCoy)
5th Best Winning Percentage (Career) – 26-6, 0.812 (Behind James Street, Bobby Layne, Vince Young and Colt McCoy).
3rd Most Touchdowns (Career) – 58 (Behind Major Applewhite and Colt McCoy).
2nd Most Touchdowns (Single Season) – 26 (Behind Colt McCoy, tied with Vince Young).
2nd Most Touchdowns (Single Game) – 5 (Behind Colt McCoy, tied with Bobby Layne).
3rd most passing yards in a game (vs Nebraska) – 419 (Behind Major Applewhite & Colt McCoy).3
So yeah, you’d take that for GG in a heartbeat. Let’s not pretend Chris was some gawd awful QB who couldn’t throw out of a paper bag. He wasn’t.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Nov 12, 2010 1:47 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I would never kill to have Chris Simms for anything
Ever. Esspecially driving my preggo girlfriend. Good one there simms.
Nice Post
You’ve inspired me to write a FanPost about GD and the QBs.
"What about me and you?" "There is no me and you..."
by LeftHandedTexan on Nov 13, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Nice post — could have done with a proof-read but we get the point. If only the coaching staff read burntorangenation.com…




































