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Vince Young Injured, Out As Starting Quarterback

Drama once again surrounds Tennessee Titans quarterback Vince Young. On a day that saw him booed by his home fans, apparently for his failure to target new receiver Randy Moss, Young was forced to leave the game with an injured hand, later revealed to be a torn tendon in his thumb that may need surgery, likely ending his season.

His departure was greeted by cheers from the fans and Young responded by throwing his uniform and shoulder pads into the stands.

The bigger news, however, might be that Young's career as a Titan could also have come to an end. After leaving the field abruptly, chased by former Texas teammate Michael Griffin, to whom Young reportedly directed some choice words, Tennessee head coach Jeff Fisher announced to the media after the game that Young is no longer his starting quarterback. Fisher also revealed that Young made a comment to him after the game that he would not reveal, but which likely put an already strained relationship to or past the point of no return.

The scene seems eerily reminiscent of Young's behavior two years ago when he responded in a similarly poor manner to an injury and some boos from the home crowd, which likewise cost him his starting job to Kerry Collins.

Previously, it was easier to forgive Young for his mistakes as a player who had never been let down by his body or struggled with consistent failure. Now, the regression and continued poor choices once again bring into question his maturity and ability to deal with adverse circumstances.

And while that won't taint his achievements at Texas, rather than becoming the NFL superstar many expected, Young's future as even a starter in the league once again hangs in the balance.

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Just glad he's done before the Titans' two games with the Texans

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Cowboys pick him up next year because of the UT connection. Dude still has some issues and needs to grow up. All VY does is win pout.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 21, 2010 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

wow

Maybe vince can be are new OC sad day for him but we don’t know what’s going on with him in his life

by KingMack on Nov 21, 2010 4:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Garbage

I can’t believe how badly he’s been treated in Tennessee. Fisher has repeatedly gone with other QBs when he didn’t need to and pulled the rug out from under Vince Young even when he’s been good. The starting job has never been given to him no matter how much he’s worked to earn it or how good he’s been. He has the fifth-best QB in the league and Fisher still picks other QBs over him. He’s been treated like crap and deserves to go to a team that actually knows how to use his talents rather than treating them like they’re getting in the way of the team’s success.

by Austin Swafford on Nov 21, 2010 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

Are you kidding me

Jeff Fisher has constantly supported VY through all his struggles, but this is probably the straw that broke the camel’s back. The Titans changed coordinators to cater towards VY for god’s sake.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 21, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

VY has told his friends he asked to come back and was denied by Fisher....

hence the quote from Fisher he was not comfortable with VY’s ability to control the ball.

VY hasn’t acted his best there……but its hard when his coach and fans continue to treat him like absolute garbage.

by silky51 on Nov 21, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you watch the game?

He was throwing on the sidelines with a glove on.

Fisher saying that Vince didn’t ask him to go in is different than Vince not wanting to go in.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

So Fisher expects his QB to ask to play? Well, that’s the mark of an outstanding head coach.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously

It’s the coach’s job to see if the players are ready. VY could conceivably be trying to not piss the coach off. If Vince made a mistake, that ain’t it.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

going:

That is completely untrue re: Fisher. Whether he was justified in his support (or lack of) of Vince or not, he has not wanted him to start throughout his tenure there. Last season, he flat-out refused to credit Vince with turning the team around and getting them from 0-6 to 8-8, despite reporters repeatedly asking point-blank what the cause of the team’s success was. He didn’t want Young in the first place, but Bud Adams has always been enamored of Vince’s talent.

Please note, I’m not defending Vince’s behavior or production. Nor am I attempting to indict Fisher. Merely stating a well-known fact among Tennessee fans, including myself. Fisher is not a fan of Vince. It’s that simple.

Swafford: I’m sorry, but if you think Vince Young is the fifth best QB in the league, I don’t know what to tell you…A truly great NCAA career has no bearing on his production or skill level in the NFL. He’s not in the top half of the QBs in the league right now.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Re: Fifth Best QB

I think he meant fifth best QB rating. Which is true. VY’s 97.6 in 2010 (going into this week) trails only Vick, Garrard, Rivers and Brady.

by Loisaida Horn on Nov 21, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

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He’s not in the top half of the QBs in the league right now.

I think I can make a pretty compelling argument otherwise. Not that it matters, but I’d advise taking a look at per play statistics for Vince. Also check out Football Outsiders.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

FO says VY is ranked #22 in DYAR

interestingly enough, just two spots ahead of Colt.

Anyways, not sure if #22 would be considered top half of the league.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 21, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

DYAR is a gross statistic. Since VY hasn't played the entire year, that will obviously suffer. Same goes for Vick.

DVOA is a more accurate measure, since that’s a per play statistic. He ranks 11th in that category.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

more accurate, but being 11th doesn't help when you're not playing

and yet another injury has him done for the year.

Nice to see Colt’s DYAR and DVOA ahead of Sam Bradford’s.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 21, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Injuries are obviously a problem.

But, the common misconception is that Vince is still the erratic, inaccurate quarterback from 2007 that can’t read defenses. Being a small market, most people don’t get to see him on a regular basis.

His jump in efficiency this year has been remarkable, and I think it’s important that people realize that Vince was having a very, very good year up to a few weeks ago. His deep ball in particular may be one of the best in the NFL.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

There's 32 teams in the league

So no, it wouldn’t be near to half. It would be 2/3 of the way to the bottom. 16 would be middle.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He has a great TD to Int ratio

But other than that, he is in the bottom of every statistical category for starting QBs. 136 passing yards per game is horrendous (33 among qualifying QBs, meaning not even starter-level yardage). Completion % is 28th among qualifying QBs. You can say it’s due to injury, but obviously that’s already being included in the discussion by the very fact that we’re having the discussion. I love the guy to death and I’m not trying insult him, but top 5 is not even close. .

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Completion percentage is the only meaningful statistic that suffers.

The per play average is really skewed because he didn’t finish a few games. Look at his Y/A. That paints a better picture.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yards per attempt?

That’s largely based on scheme, IMO. Again, not even close to saying he’s been bad. Merely that top 5 is simply not true and that top half of the league is certainly a stretch.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

But, yards per game isn't?

What statistic do you prefer? Outside of completion percentage, I think you’ll have a difficult time making a case that “top half of the league” is a “stretch”.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The Titans

Like to throw the ball a lot, which isn’t necessarily VY’s strong suit, so you’re right it’s not a good measurement. My main point is “Whom would I take right now, VY or half the other QB’s in the league?” The answer is half. It’s not really a big deal or worth arguing. My main point was the top 5 QB thing is not really a valid opinion. The “top half of the league being a stretch” is just my personal viewpoint, but I don’t have a problem with others in that case.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

However, FTR, the Titans do not like to throw the ball a lot, or at least not when Vince is under center.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

They've been

Opening it up substantially, of late. Whether this is actually helping the team, I’m not sure, but it intrigued me because it seemed like they were prioritizing VY over CJ (this was even before they got Randy) and using the pass to set up the run.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Well opening it up more means, throwing 25 passes instead of 15-20.

Vince hasn’t had 30+ attempts all year, which is pretty standard for other NFL quarterbacks.

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true

And a great stat to bring into the topic. Sadly, it looks like that is going to continue.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand

Let me just list the QBs that are better:

Inarguable: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger (yes, he actually already has better stats despite sitting out the beginning of the season, but I’m referring to quality of QB), Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Mike Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer.

Those are players that I believe you can’t make a case for not being as good. I think some others are better, but you could easily make an argument for Vince being a more desirable QB.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But I’m saying, IMO, there are a few others, these just aren’t debatable. Does that make sense?

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

Sorry, I didn’t want to make it a huge deal. VY being in the top 5 was just so biased I thought it had to be pointed out.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Carson Palmer is not a top 12 QB

Not this year at least. His stats are not good, and he has looked even worse than his statistics suggest. I am not sure what has gone wrong, but it he doesn’t seem to have it anymore. He is throwing to the wrong team an awful lot (something he has always struggled with), but doesn’t seem to do enough else anymore to make up for it.

Truthfully, he wasn’t very good last year either, but a weak schedule, a good defense and running game, and a few breaks covered it up. Probably because he is in a small market, people have taken longer to notice, but Carson Palmer should no longer be included on any list of elite QB’s.

by Reggieball on Nov 22, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with

“he has not wanted him to start …” which I’m betting is purely anecdotal. Unless you know Jeff Fisher well & spend considerable time with him. I would have to suggest that you don’t really know what Jeff Fisher thinks.

by HalfmileHorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

VY saved that Trojan's ass (HC job) last season

It is well known by Titans fans (who were booing Moss, not VY… the press does such a good job of twisting things) that Fisher has not wanted VY to succeed!

Almost all Trojans, including Jeff Fisher, have a vendetta against the Longhorns, and especially Vince Young due to the 2006 BCS Title Game

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 3:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I really disagree

Jeff Fisher has been really pissed to be “stuck” with Vince all along. He didn’t make the choice to draft Vince, he’s sold him out in the media regularly (remember the so-called suicide concern?), and he’s been Spurrier-esque in pulling Young at the slightest sign of struggle.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree, and it's because Fisher is from USC

Almost all Trojans have a vendetta against the Longhorns, and especially Vince Young, after he “stole” the 2005 BCS Title from their self-righteous minds.

Fisher has not wanted VY to succeed, even though he saved Fisher’s ass when VY turned last season around from 06- to 8-8..

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 3:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Please..........

the change was made because CHOW Chewed! Norm was terrible! I have been to about a dozen Titan games since they picked him up and the fan base has not supported him, most wanted Cutler because of his ties to vandy. Fisher is a dumbazz and should be let go due to the way ha has handled VY. Before he was drafted, 90% of the people at the combine and draft said VY would have to sit for 3-4 seasons before he would be ready, Fisher played him as a rookie to save his job, then pulls his starting pos. when he gets hurt, then gives it back, and takes it away, and gives it back and so on. I do not condone his actions yesterday, but I don’t blame him for being pissed either. Send him to Dallas!

by Hookemlc on Nov 22, 2010 7:24 AM CST up reply actions  

got this from a fan on the BRB
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher said after Sunday’s overtime loss to the Redskins that quarterback Vince Young has lost his hold on the starting job.

Fisher’s comments follow an emotional day for Young in which the the fifth-year signal caller was booed, injured his thumb, threw his shoulder pads into the stands and and stormed out of LP Field without talking to the media.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Nov 21, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

VY still needs to grow up.

This isn’t the way to act when you’re supposed to be the leader of an NFL franchise. Some guys just don’t have the mental or emotional fortitude to make it in the league despite their tremendous physical gifts. I didn’t want to believe Vince was one of those guys, but the evidence to starting to mount up against him.

3/19/2009 & 12/15/2009 - Games Where Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.

by burrito on Nov 21, 2010 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

While I think Fisher's a complete jackass for how he's treated VY, you're right that VY needs to grow up

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Threw his pads in the stands?

Close to unforgivable.

I’ve got 2 boys. I can no longer speak highly of Vince to them because of this embarrassing behavior. While I don’t depend on athletes to serve as role models for my sons, it sure would be nice if I didn’t have to do the opposite – telling my kids that these supposed heroes on the field are terrible examples.

So disappointed in Vince, whom I once admired so greatly.

Watch out, I bite.

by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 21, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

and ironically

Chris Simms looks to be the replacement for VY.

by Ryan2907 on Nov 21, 2010 5:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

That name

should not be mentioned. Ever. (shudders)

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Sweet Fancy Moses, agreed. There really are a couple of names I just don’t ever want to hear. The one that they paid handsomely to come across the Red River and lead the Cowboys? At this house he is known as He Who Shall Not Be Named. We had a party the day he left zeroU. GDGD is another one. He can be referred to as GDGD but that’s about it. Don’t say the name outloud. Couple of exes fall into this category as well.

On my signal,,,Unleash Hell,,,and Fire Greg Davis,,please?

by OnMySignal on Nov 21, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

At least Simms has conducted himself with class through a number of difficult situations ...

not the least of which was nearly getting killed on the field and playing wiith a ruptured spleen.

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Nov 21, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like you to meet my friend, Sarcasm.

He’s difficult to get to know at first, but in time, I believe you’ll come to like one another.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Are those facts straight?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a good question

But I thought the follow-up reporting on Simms indicated that he hadn’t actually admitted to anything, and that the officers didn’t see fit to screen him for any intoxication. There’s the chance Simms was driving under the influence of substances, but the same could be said of Sergio Kindle, right?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Check that...

…I’m talking about when Kindle hit the wall. I’d say it’s actually more likely that he was intoxicated in some way, considering he had already been caught for that behavior in the past.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

He was suspected of being stoned and supposedly admitted to smoking

the devils lettuce. He had his pregnant girl friend in the car, that part is fact because she drove his car home while he went to jail.

by tvr'11 on Nov 22, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

He apparently admitted to smoking a cigarette, not marijuana

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Chris Simms is the reason I went to UT.

Because I knew that the worst had already passed.

El numero doce tiene la mano de dios.

by Can I get some Chiles with that? on Nov 21, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Great athlete, POS person

I’m not saying Vince is one of them, but there are lots of them. Just because someone is a great ex-longhorn is not enough to support them unconditionally. His behavior is inexcusable.

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Nov 21, 2010 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

yeah...im a diehard titan fan, been a big fan since they were the oilers,

and I loved warren moon. My blood also happens to bleed the purtiest shade of burnt orange, and when VY came to nashville I was stoked. Since he’s been here, its been bumpy and this really is the last straw. It was obvious that fish didn’t want vy from the beginning and I think that he has made some questionable decisions because vy has made great strides parts of this and earlier seasons…but this baby like attitutde had to stop, and the only way it will is if fisher or vy leave, and I think it’s obvious who is leaving.

by jacobb23 on Nov 21, 2010 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

I expect better from you VY...

…youve been great and shown an amazing ability to come back from adversity. But I also would have hoped this would have given you some poise, some maturity of how to deal with issues, publicly or privately.
But it seems things have not really changed. I would hope that things only get better for you…

by vanterminatorhorn on Nov 21, 2010 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

he'll never admit it.

but plenty of the blame for this whole situation is on his shoulders. No excuse for VY acting like a two year old, but Fish has to take some of the blame.

by jacobb23 on Nov 21, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Can Vince become the consummate quarterback

under the tutelage of a different coaching staff?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Nov 21, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Peter

A lot of the blame is on Vince. He’s been very immature in handling his situation, whether you like Fisher or not.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

agree that a lot of the blame is being put on him...

but I know for a fact VY is being mispresented a majority of the time by the media reports……I wish I could tell more, but I can’t.

by silky51 on Nov 21, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly ...

What does it matter? How many incidents, pouting sessions, bar fights …. good grief. I saw him on the sidelines today. He was pouting. He is mad he got booed, I guess. It’s life.

BTW, Mangini was no Colt fan, either. Rumor has it he was on the bubble late in training camp. But he is proving himself and proving Mangini wrong. Results, in the end, are king.

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Nov 21, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

(rolls eyes)
Results, in the end, are king.

You mean like one of the best records in the NFL as a starter? How about a top 5 QB rating?

by SuperHorn on Nov 21, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we are deluded VY fans ...

if we think Fisher or any other NFL head coach — whose neck is on the chopping block — is going to pull a QB for personal preference (or because he dislikes his alma mater?) when said QB helps him win, we have some kind of mighty conspiracy theory working here.

So, a HC in the NFL is a jerk … no excuse, ever to throw pads in the stands or to be causing scenes in strip clubs, pouting, etc. How is this Fisher’s responsibiity?

Surely people on this board understand how defending VY in this instance appears. What VY did at UT was and will remain, and we will always love him for it … but what if he went O.J.? (There’s a good Trojan for you.) Do we support him then?

The point is … there’s a limit to personal loyalty (see, uh, well, every one’s comments re: Mack and GD). In the end, it’s about the program first. And for all the great things that VY did in Austin, he has been a net negative in the pros mainly due to his off-field behavior.

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Nov 22, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it has much of anything to do with their respective almae matres

I think it’s all about Fisher’s game philosophy (conservative, with a caretaker QB) and how he feels VY has been forced down his throat.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen. This has been a $56,000,000 Bud Adams mistake from the gitgo.

This is rebellious behavior and we don’t know shit about the real reasons. It is not necessarily juvenile at all.

Fortunately for VY, this is his option year and it has been clear that Fisher doesn’t want him at all…he never fit in the defensive oriented team with a caretaker style of offense.

He’s gone from Tennessee and that’s damn good news, but there is the chance he is gone from football.

by whills on Nov 21, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

If Michael Vick can get a second chance, Vince should too

Considering VY has show a lot more as an NFL passer than Vick ever had up to his dog-murdering conviction.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Philly is keying their offense to what Vick does best.

That’s exactly what a team should do with VY.

Vick is not the classic drop back passer and neither is VY.

They came along at a time when football offenses were changing dramatically. Each of their college teams found ways to implement the QBs particular skills…but it was also true it is easier to run in the college game than in the pros. But their particular quickness and speed can be implemented at the pro level, just not in the classic form.

by whills on Nov 21, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

As a Titans fan I rather see Fisher go.

Fisher has had plenty of time to get the Titans back to a Superbowl. However, the fans that reside in Tennessee and go to the games seem to be very discontent with VY. I hate the way VY has been treated in Tennessee and agree Tennessee is not a good fit for him.

ATX

by Atownatx on Nov 22, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

vince

Come on guys at the end of the day I don’t know what going on in his life and neither does nyone else he was. Always if you as me but in a bad spot with the titans the coach didn’t really want the guy and the owner did the coach has even change the way the guy even play football you don’t see vick becoming a full pocket passer

by KingMack on Nov 21, 2010 5:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Could be interesting week or two for the Titan Franchise

The only reason Fisher plays VY is cause the owner made him. Fisher never liked Vince as a player and certainly not now as a person. This later feeling appears to be mutual from Vince’s point of view. So Fisher has now got a situation where the owner will be hard pressed to continue his support of VY given the little snit he threw this afternoon. And Fisher is playing it up good. So how will the owner respond???

by rmaxearnest on Nov 21, 2010 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

The owner has $14 M on the line this year. Adams play will be for the money.

Adams is a world class asshole…was with the Oiler, is now with the Titans.

by whills on Nov 21, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree 100 million percent

I’m so glad that jackass is out of Houston. I wish someone would run a list of all his business holdings so that all of Houston could boycott everything related to him. He will never win because he is db.

by Wrangler86 on Nov 21, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Well he's not technically out of Houston, haha

Still lives there I believe or spends most of his time there anyway

by SneezyBeltran on Nov 22, 2010 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

vince

Vince shouldnt have been drafted by the titans

by KingMack on Nov 21, 2010 5:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Jeff Fisher never was the right coach for VY

And some of the fans were pretty unreasonable. The way Fisher has often treated Young has been stupid considering how well Vince has been playing when healthy, and clearly has an issue with him.

That said, that doesn’t excuse one bit VY’s behavior. That is shocking meltdown. If he was unhappy, he should just get the surgery and leave Tennessee in the offseason, not cause a ridiculous scene.

by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 21, 2010 5:45 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t condone his behavior, but why is it that some players get a pass for their asinine antics and others get called out? A example would that monstrosity called Owens-Ochowhatever-the-hell-his-name-is-now in Cincy?

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that VY gets more criticism

But it kind of comes with the territory of being a well-known QB. And I’d like to think we can hold Vince to a higher standard than the likes of T.O.

by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 21, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

invincible

I guess the only thing that makes me mad is that vince was a leader for texas in 05 the guy also couldn’t be hurt what’s wrong with him.
If ricky and cedric can come back on a diffrent team so can vince

by KingMack on Nov 21, 2010 5:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

VY

should have come back for his senior year. Would have had a year more of maturity, would likely have gone to a different team. I believe this would have made all the difference in the world.

by HalfmileHorn on Nov 21, 2010 5:49 PM CST reply actions  

I disagree

I don’t think he would gotten any more taste of the real world in college. People worshiped him then and he could do no wrong. Then he had to win over a new fan base, which is obviously harder when you can’t dominate the game like in college and the fan base is less focused on the feelings of young men.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

other Longhorns news

Anyone notice that texas baskeball and footbal switch places thebasket ball team couldn’t do anything right last year kinda like football team now gives me hope

by KingMack on Nov 21, 2010 6:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

just a show of hands how many of you still LOVE VY?

I loved him at Texas, but that ended when he went to the NFL.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Nov 21, 2010 6:12 PM CST reply actions  

I support him as a fellow UT grad and I hope he gets it together and goes to another team that can utilize his incredible athletic talents.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

what is wrong w/ you?

just b/c he left, you don’t love him?

by vy til i die on Nov 22, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

was that a replay for me?

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Nov 21, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Forgot to hit reply its really hard to blog at wrok

by KingMack on Nov 21, 2010 6:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I just don't get it. why do you all still love him so much

yes he brought Texas the National Championship, but the moment he got drafted to Tennessee I stopped being a fan. Just like all Texas players as soon as they get drafted I stop being a fan because they no longer play for Texas but play for an rival NFL team.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Nov 21, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Once a Longhorn, always a Longhorn.

Forever and ever, Amen.

Even Chris Sims.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Could we make a ONE time exception on that one, dime?

Just this once? Pretty please? (cue big puppy dog eyes)

In all seriousness though, I agree. I may still be bitter at that particular ex-qb and the whole situation, but he is still a Longhorn, and I do wish him the best.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

GoHornsGo90 said it all.

Once a Longhorn, always a Longhorn.

If someone played at Texas, they deserve our thanks. It doesn’t matter if we can’t get that horrible, horrible play out of our mind. I would still be honored to meet Chris Sims.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Again,

I agree with the assessment. The first part of the post was sarcasm. Once a Longhorn, always a Longhorn.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry. My sarcasm meter is off today. :-)

Too many comments from UT fans wanting a loss to A&M to facilitate a coaching staff change. I’m just about ready to turn off my laptop for the week.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

No apology necessary

I definitely understand the frustration stemming from the general idiocy found in the idea that we would be better off losing. A win is always better, and we all know how difficult Aggy is to live with when he pulls the win (I’m in law school with a bunch of ‘em and it ain’t fun).

Besides, I didn’t really help my cause by joking above that his name should not be mentioned. I believe I’m currently getting chastised for it, actually.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Sad we can't have some levity now, isn't it?

it is time for Aggie jokes. :-)

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

:-)

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Just saw the video

does anything think this INT was actually Simms fault? Dude had literally 1 second to figure out that an OU player from the blindside was diving at him.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 21, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree. I didn’t mean to imply that it was Sims’ fault. Someone missed their block. I just still have nightmares about that play.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And I should add...

Chris Sims probably has nightmares, too.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

And Chris Simms, too

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

oh I'm loyal...

I’m loyal to my NFL team because almost every player in NCAAF wants to play in the NFL. I’ve always been and will always be a Longhorn fan even if they lose every game in the season, but once they leave for the pros I will root against them when they are playing against my favorite team.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Nov 21, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it comes down to a difference in where you put your stake.

I have been a Dallas Cowboys fan my whole life, but I bleed burnt orange and nothing can overcome that. If someone puts a gun to my head and says I have to choose between the college game/the Longhorns or the pro game/Cowboys, you can bet that I’ll never watch another NFL game for the rest of my life. In contrast I have a friend who is a UT alumnus as well, but he has been a 49ers fan since he was old enough to talk. I guarantee that if presented with the same situation, he would stop following UT football in order to preserve his fanship with his pro team.

I would surmise that the vast majority of the people on this blog fit the former situation, and the loyalty to Texas and the players that have helped make this program great far outweigh any allegiance to a professional team. It all depends on where you put your stake, and I assume that you put more into your professional team. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I would hope you could take a step back and see that the Longhorns mean way more than any professional team to a lot of people and understand where the loyalty to former players now in the NFL comes from.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The Longhorns mean a lot to me and my family for personal reasons

but just because one guy played there doesn’t mean I’m gonna love him forever. If I could see the Horns play every Saturday I would.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Nov 21, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Their fans

That attend the games and are on the blogs are absolutely terrible. A lot of people think it has to do with racism, but I just think they are assholes. Booing your own team that often, especially when they aren’t doing that poorly, is ridiculous.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The fans were booing Moss/OC/injury, not Vince

Vince was playing well before the thumb injury. If anything, the fans were upset that he had to come out of the game (I was).

All of the Titans fans I’ve seen on boards love VY. Many of them don’t agree with Fisher’s playing Collins.

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

But this whole story got twisted by the Press

thanks to Jeff Fisher’s spinning the facts

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 3:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

I’ll take your word for it. But from what I read on a Titans board (admittedly, it was ESPN so I doubt that is a good summation of Titans fans), they were talking about his being booed. Hopefully that is not the truth, though, but if Vince was egging the fans on when they were booing, he at least thought they were booing him. So what’s the difference?

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 22, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Sound like a lot of U.T. fans ...

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Nov 21, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Giving up on their teams

And booing them when the game is tied? Has that ever happened at UT? Not since I’ve been following.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

This booing in the NFL as an acceptable practice is extremely bothering to me.

Especially when your team is still in the game as far as score.

"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison

by 512 on Nov 21, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Do people really think that is going to result in change?

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

Tied or close … were you at the UCLA game? Folks were booing in the first half. Yeah, it was bad on the field, but … I think no booing, period. It’s especially bad in college. In the pros, I think it’s different although I don’t believe in booing.

For a pro athlete, though, get over it. I promise you they see it differently in most of the country.

"I've always been an admirer of Texas' clock management. Now, I am completely sold." -- Les Miles

by Distributor of the Football on Nov 21, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I was not. I do not have the pleasure of living in Austin at the moment. Can others attest to the crowd behavior in the first half of the Texas/UCLA game, and whether is seemed to be directed at the coaches or the players? There was no such sound on television.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you really Henry Melton?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Nov 21, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Fisher does not trust VY

He hasn’t since the day VY arrived. If you don’t agree, you’re not paying close enough attention. I suppose the blame goes both ways, but VY needs a fresh start. I believe he’ll thrive somewhere – anywhere – else.

by Shullie on Nov 21, 2010 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

Or this

   Why could Vince not be the QB Michael Vick has become after his rebirth in the league? Minus the dog killing, which makes throwing shoulder pads look small in comparison.
Seriously, a dual threat QB like Vince couldn’t play in an offense geared to his talents?

    Vince is frustrated, acted poorly, but get real.
A fresh start is what he needs. Jeff Fisher will be fired by the end of the year. He was out last year until Vince saved his ass. So, he gets frustrated today wanting to go back in? My god the horror.

by thirtyand0 on Nov 21, 2010 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

Vince said on Twitter that he didn't throw his pads into stands.

Said it was NOT true

"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison

by 512 on Nov 21, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He's way better at this point than Vick was at this point in his career

There’s not even an argument to be made otherwise.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Vick was brilliant at this point in his career

So I don’t know how you can make that blanket of a statement. He was on the cover of Madden for a reason…

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

"Brilliant"

Not like Peyton Manning good, BTW, I mean he made a lot of very exciting plays and was a very good player. But he was definitely more prolific than VY :/

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Brilliant?

He regressed in Atlanta. His best year was 2002. VY has actually shown to be something other than a coach-killer.

Too bad his coach is a QB-killer.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

Well, Mora called him one thing. The United States called him another.

Of course, if you ask me, Vick shouldn’t have received this chance, just like Little shouldn’t have.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

gftc

I know Houston fans have an emotional stake on Vince Young still because of the ‘06 draft, but let’s be real here: What Vick is doing now, nobody expected. At their respective junctures of their career, VY is about on par with Vick. Vick is more explosive and therefore a more dangerous running threat but I don’t think Vick was anywhere near as efficient as Vince has been this year when he was with Atlanta (granted, VY doesn’t have a lot of attempts because Fisher is an idiot and because of injury).

Vick is a heck of a lot better than Schaub is right now too, and most other QB’s not named Manning (Peyton), Brady, and Brees.

by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the worst part of this whole situation

is that outside of blogs like this, VY has lost in the court of public opinion. I think that this is an incredibly complex situation with facets that we common folk on the outside will likely never know, and there is likely blame to be put on both (or more) parties involved. Unfortunately, though, Jeff Fisher is a media darling. He has the respect of all the talking heads and so called experts who are inevitably going to side with him immediately. Vince is going to get chastised (rightfully or wrongfully) by the media and will be labeled as a crybaby and immature. He will be declared the source of the problem without any inkling that Fisher might be partly or wholly to blame for the situation. I think the only chance Vince has now is to get out of Tennessee where he can start fresh. If things don’t improve then, then we all know that Fisher isn’t crazy, but if it does, hopefully people will rethink their opinions

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 7:02 PM CST reply actions  

Vince can always come right here and tell his story.

We are only a small part of the formation of national opinion, but we count right here.

Hey Vince…don’t talk to the fricking papers, the broadcasters or anyone else…come to BON.

We’ll give you a fairer hearing more than anyone else in this nation.

by whills on Nov 21, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And after we get through pulling off that miracle

I’ll walk right up to heaven and punch out God.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Would be really awesome if that happened, though.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Searching for any mention of an opinoin, biased or otherwise in my 8 word post.

Can’t seem to locate it. Help?

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we would give him a fair hearing.

Are we friendlier and closer to the fan base than most papers and certainly broadcast venues?…yes, we are.

We are a fan base.

But we do try to bring clarity and accuracy to our analysis and concept of our time.

That doesn’t mean we won’t tromp on the aggies this week…we will…but in this particular case I do think we can be a reasonable voice that will listen and give a fair and relatively unbiased stage.

by whills on Nov 21, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It isn't just Jeff Fisher-Owner Bud Adams is also a jackass

VY needs to get out of there and come back to Houston or Dallas. Bud Adams is one of the worst owners in the league, and Jeff Fisher has treated VY like crap. This was always a bad fit.
I do not like VY’s behavior, from walking out on his team to fighting in late night stripclubs. He needs to grow up already. He has had his chances, and he needs to learn how to deal with adversity better. The NFL should definitely send him to mandatory anger management classes to help him stop making an ass out of himself.

by Wrangler86 on Nov 21, 2010 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Ability/Excitment of Mike Vick, temperment/maturity of Jeff George.

by Tech92 on Nov 21, 2010 7:42 PM CST reply actions  

The second worst day in my life

as an NFL fan was the day the Oilers drafted Vince. The worst was the 1993 AFC championship game in Buffalo. While I can’t condone the behavior, I hope he leaves the Oilers and goes some where else — then I can root for him again.

by UTGrad94 on Nov 21, 2010 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

The Oilers did not draft Vince

I assume that you are being sarcastic calling them the Oilers, but I can’t stand the Oilers name being tarnished like that. The Oilers were for Houston. That a hole Adams tried to take the name but it was a huge flop. No way in hell would any Houstonian cheer for them and the Ten. fans didn’t like the name either. They knew it was Houston’s name and not their new team’s name.

 “Love ya Blue,” and “The Derrick Dolls” are also for Houstonians and are not Bud Adam’s property. I wish the Titans would change their colors because I don’t think they should have a shred of blue on them. I can’t wait for the Texans to kick their but on the 30th. McNair is a much better owner. Tennessee made a deal with the devil and Houston was glad to get rid of Bud Adams. I’ll be glad to see VY leave the Titans, and then maybe I will be able to cheer for him.

by Wrangler86 on Nov 21, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

vince is a joke

what an immature puss. everything came easy for him in college now that he has to work hard and playing against the best the first sign of adversity he pouts like a bitch. if you can’t handle getting booed from the crowd you don’t deserve to be in the league. he’s shown he’s weak, disappearing with a gun after he got booed, fighting in a strip club cause he can’t handle a little shit talk and now throwing his pads in the crowd. might be a good athlete but sucks as a person.

by Ashley Schaeffer BMW on Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

Up to this day, there's no evidence that he disappeared with a gun.

Also, there’s no evidence that he threw his pads in the crowd. He just tweeted saying he still had his pads and told people not to believe everything they here. Haters gonna hate, eh?

by TheAnalyst on Nov 21, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

where there's smoke there's fire

there’s a reason these stories get reported. dude can’t handle the pressure.

by Ashley Schaeffer BMW on Nov 21, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Makes sense

It usually works against the Chewbacca defense.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve never met a woman car salesperson.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe it's from one of Will Ferrell's many monotonous slapstick comedies.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes sense. Will Ferrell comedy is about all Okies can handle.

But it always good to have Land Thieves stop by for a visit. Everybody be nice to the Sooner.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly. Will Ferrell could be over their head.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll admit that I had to google it

Actually, I’m proud of that. It’s been a long time since I’ve wanted to watch a Will Ferrell product, other than the other night, when I had waaaaayyyy too much to drink and watched A Night at the Roxbury on cable.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

really dude

you watch a ferrell movie and it’s roxbury? kinda says alot about you. let me guess you only like matthew mcconaughey movies. what failure to launch wasn’t on.

by Ashley Schaeffer BMW on Nov 21, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Why don't you list your top 5?

I doubt if we’ll see any Bergman on that list. In fact, I know it.

by BrooklynHorn on Nov 21, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

bergman?

really? orson welles, hitchcock, chaplin didn’t want any of that?

by Ashley Schaeffer BMW on Nov 21, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  


Doesn’t matter. The only times Ferrell hasn’t been utter garbage was the Bill Brasky skits on SNL.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

that's the best you got

“woman car salesperson” that’s about as weak as VY’s mental stability

by Ashley Schaeffer BMW on Nov 21, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome Land Thief. We will be respectful, as should you. Or just head back over to Crimson Cream Machine.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

dime

I believe the handle is an Eastbound and Down reference, if I’m not mistaken? Incidentally and ironically, Ashley is a female!

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 21, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

No wonder I didn’t get it. I like most of what HBO puts out, but that show is not very good.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

rednecks?

fucking classic. people from texas calling people rednecks.

by Ashley Schaeffer BMW on Nov 21, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Can someone please ban this person

"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison

by 512 on Nov 21, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Just ignore him. Read this instead. Classic BON thread.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Nov 21, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

At the Univerisity of Texas

we create an open minded, educated, well spoken, respectable alumni base —something you Sooners could never understand. I urge you to take you trolling elsewhere lest someone with the power to do so permanently bans you from this site.

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

your*

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn typos. *University

"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin

by lnghrn53 on Nov 21, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, because Will Ferrell is "good tv"

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

hey Ashley, how wide can you open your mouth?

"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison

by 512 on Nov 21, 2010 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

Hope Vince finds a coach who can APPRECIATE his skills

Under Fisher’s “coaching”, he was a bronco being forced to give rides to kids at a birthday party. The man MUST BE TURNED LOOSE. He was never going to work in Fisher’s bullshit conservative scheme.

That was his power. The greatest trick Greg Davis ever pulled was convincing Mack Brown that he was invaluable. And like that, poof. He's been here for 12 years.

by iamjackburton on Nov 21, 2010 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

I haven't read all the comments, nor will I

But all of you who are bad mouthing Vince. You should consider that:

1. He has a history of comebacks and this should be no exception.
2. This won’t spell the ending to his career. It is just a speed bump.
3. Michael Vick lost his job due to dogfighting and came back, throwing your shoulder pads is nothing compared to that.

The Titan fanbase is weird.

El numero doce tiene la mano de dios.

by Can I get some Chiles with that? on Nov 21, 2010 11:41 PM CST reply actions  

Fisher is a USC alum

Jeff Fisher played and coached at USC. That explains a lot of his behavior, IMO.

Almost all Trojans have a vendetta against the Longhorns, and especially Vince Young, after he “stole” the 2005 BCS Title from their self-righteous minds.

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 3:20 AM CST reply actions  

Titans fans were booing Moss, not VY

and VY did want to go back in the game. He was wearing his helmet and very upset on the sidelines.

BUT both the press and Fisher do such a good job of twisting the story!!

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 3:32 AM CST reply actions  

I encourage you to visit musiccitymiracles.com, titans blog, and see what a classless bunch of clowns Tennessee fans are.

I wouldn’t waste your time posting anything as their ignorance over there is like talking to a brick wall. I get the impression that Titans fans don’t want VY on their team, and I would imagine that VY quit playing for the fans there a long long time ago.

The fanbase in Tennessee is classless and the bloggers are even worse. What VY did after the game was immature but Tennessee fans have been ready to shit all over his name for a long time now. Have fun with Randy Moss and Rusty Smith. What a joke this entire organization has become. Jeff Fisher is a .500 coach that always seems to keep his job even though they haven’t won a playoff game in 7 YEARS! Although VY has drawn negative attention to himself by his actions after the game, his game play against Washington did not lose them the game. The playcalling and the terrible defense lost them the game.

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by 512 on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 AM CST reply actions  

VY completed 7/7 of his initial passes (8 of 11 in first half)

VY was 7/7 in his first few passes that game… 8/11 for the first half. For the game (until 3rd quarter, when his thumb got injured), he was 13/16 with a 107.6 rating.

Fans were booing playcalling/Moss, not VY, but the media and Fisher are so good at spinning the story!! If anything, the fans were upset that VY had to come out of the game. They were booing the playcalling, Moss (not getting thrown to nor open enough), defense, VY getting injured, or VY leaving. What yall think?

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 22, 2010 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

If you're booing

The QB getting injured or leaving, you’re obviously booing the QB. Do you think the fans are booing the circumstances surrounding how he got injured? No, they’re just fed up with how often he gets hurt, as if he could change it or something.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 22, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Article referred to booing during the game, not when VY was leaving

VY was playing well (completed 8 of 11 in 1H)… there was no reason to boo him. But he might’ve wrongly assumed they were, cuz he supposedly motioned at them for more, as he was leaving. (that or he was agreeing with them that the coaches should be booed)

Most Titans fans on the MCM site think the booing was directed toward the playcalling (not using Moss enough in the first half)

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

VY needs a fresh start

And he will get it, given all the crap teams are trotting out at quarterback.

While he acted in a childish manner, NFL fans regularly forgive much worse.

by Reggieball on Nov 22, 2010 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

Just as long as he doesn't end up in Philly

I could see him teamed up with Adrian Peterson in 2011, though.

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by burntorangehorn on Nov 22, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn

I didn’t even consider that. That would be amazing and he fits in with their run-first gameplan that worked better than whatever the hell they’re trying to do lately. Finally see the backfield we should have seen at UT half a decade ago.

by GoHornsGo90 on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you say "Michael Vick?"

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by Paleface Horn on Nov 23, 2010 6:42 AM CST up reply actions  

the guy was coddled in college

and has had trouble dealing with adversity in the NFL. Not exactly a new concept for Texas players in the NFL. The other week there was a Tennessee news reporter asking what the heck the people in Austin did to him, b/c he is completely incapable of handling any kind of criticism. Young was lucky to be drafted by a team that has almost always had a strong running game and defense. In how many games that he won, did he throw for over 200 yards? His record was inflated b/c the team he played on hid his deficiencies. Fisher finally got fed up with his immature behavior and is moving on. The guys career is going to mirror Ricky Williams’ IMO. A few moments of brilliance in the midst of bizarre behavior and overall average results.

by miketag on Nov 23, 2010 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

Dumb aggie.

26-9 with Vince, 14-18 without Vince. Care to use aggie math to show how that record “hides” Vince’s “deficiencies”?

by danielt on Nov 23, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

hmmm...

..I’m trying to think of an aggie that’s having a career like Ricky or Vince for that matter, but I’m grasping at straws. I’d rather have a coddled Texas player than a crappy A&m one.

by vy til i die on Nov 23, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

VY and Fisher would both be better off without each other

Besides politics which started back in 2006 (Texas vs USC) and now way beyond repair here, another problem is a mismatch in philosophies.

Fisher is a defensive-minded coach with a conservative approach to the game. VY is a good passer with accuracy better than people who don’t watch him realize, but his biggest asset is obviously his ability to also run. Hence why the Titans have used the option play with some success, but they may be reigning him in too much with restrictive playcalls.

VY would do even better in a system where he has more freedom to improvise at the QB position (like P.Manning does). Granted, VY isn’t at Manning’s level in QB acumen (few QBs are), but he has improved via film study. VY is a dual-threat with a good arm, and a beast of an athlete. He needs to play for a coach who will allow his full potential to be unleashed.

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 25, 2010 3:35 AM CST reply actions  

... one example is Vick under Reid/Eagles vs Atlanta

Good analogy from a fellow peep on ESPN.com:

“Hitching Vince Young to Jeff Fisher is like hitching a champion racehorse to a field plow. Bad for the champion racehorse and bad for the potato farmer.”

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 25, 2010 3:37 AM CST reply actions  

Fisher uses a press conference to refuse VY's apology (11/24/10)

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If the man comes on the facility and you throw him off of it [or you had the ASSISTANT do it, actually], how in the hell is he going to be able to apologize to you face to face? Fisher should be fired for acting like a bit-h.
VY offered an olive branch and Fisher shoved it in his face [no, IN PUBLIC, actually]. He has no class whatsoever.
If Fisher can call VY out on texting an apology, then Fisher needs to be called out by not being a “man” and telling Vince man-to-man that he doesn’t accept his apology. Instead he goes into a press conference and makes it a matter of public record. Besides, how could Vince Young apologize in person if he isn’t allowed at team facilities?
Fisher tells McNair he has been traded by locking him out of the facilities when Steve showed for work. Fisher didnt call McNair, didnt email him, didnt text him, didnt page him, just locked him out. The with Vince, he sent some assistant to tell Vince to leave and that Vince is not welcome there (which violated league rules), and then he has the balls to complain Vince didnt say something to him face to face?

Conclusion: Jeff Fisher is a classless a-hole with a long-time major grudge against VY the Longhorn

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 25, 2010 3:50 AM CST reply actions  

It is so incredibly obvious that Fisher never wanted VY and is hellbent on getting rid of him by any means necessary. Here’s a tip Fisher, don’t bite the hand that feeds you. You would have been fired last year if it weren’t for VY going 8-2 after an 0-6 start.

How does our OC watch tape of Iowa State getting blown out by OU 52-0 and then come up with a gameplan which scores only 6 points through 3 quarters?!?

by SchruteFarm on Nov 25, 2010 3:51 AM CST up reply actions  

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