Who is Most Responsible for the 2010 Debacle?
You have four choices:
1) Mack Brown, under whose leadership this team never seemed to improve very much from week to week. For the first time during his tenure at Texas, he was challenged, and has been found wanting. Can you blame the kids if they can't catch or throw but Mack still insists on playing them again and again? Can you blame Greg Davis if he can't call a play to save his life, but Mack still insists on letting him again and again? At the end of the day, shouldn't the guy who is paid handsomely to make the hard choices be ultimately responsible when he either refuses or is incapable of making those hard choices?
2) Greg Davis, master of the 5-yard bubble screen when we need 10 for a first down. What else needs to be said? If you're ESPN, you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not so much if you actually bother to watch and evaluate his mystifying playcalling game after game.
3) Garrett Gilbert, who seems to have regressed since being thrown into the national championship game. GG seems to only know how to throw a ball three ways: a foot above his receiver's heads, directly into their shins, or directly into the defender's hands.
4) The Entire Texas Team, every single 4-star and 5-star recruit, for not being able to catch, run, or seemingly tackle at various points in the year.
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Obviously Mack
Mack is the captain of the ship and the ship stunk and sunk. But lets give him his lifetime achievement credit, and give him a year to right the ship. Make sure he cans whomever he needs to, get the best coaching talent, and lets get this thing going.
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by realmccoy on Nov 26, 2010 3:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
I’m shocked at how many votes are going for the Team. Individual talent is there, but it takes a coach to turn it into a team.
+1
"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.
Interesting poll, Jackburton
Although it doesn’t go far enough. What about McWhorter (OL coach), Chambers (TE coach, do we even have TE"s?), Bobby Kennedy (WR coach), Major Applewhite (RB coach), and Mike Tolleson (special teams disaster coach). What about Muschamp, coach of what Mack called perhaps the best defense ever at UT, but unable to consistently stop either the pass or the run, even when they knew what was coming (see KS and UCLA games)? Some of the failure is on the players because none of the coaches can block, tackle, break a tackle, or catch a pass or punt. I don’t blame GG because I think he was playing as well as he could, but I don’t think the team had alot of confidence in him, GD, or MB. They saw Mack preaching accountablilty, but not practicing it, especially at the QB position. What we wound up with was a team, perhaps over-rated in terms of talent, who just went through the motions. They in essense did their jobs but were never inspired to go beyond that. The defense made a stop and then saw the offense give the ball back. The offense scored and then saw the special teams give up a big kick-off return. A good play would be negated by a penalty. An offensive drive would stall in the red zone. Mack Brown preached “playing not to lose” and this led to overly conservative play-calling and players who made mistakes because they “visualized” failure. They “saw” themselves in their minds as dropping a pass or fumbling a punt and thus did so in reality. In an effort to make things happen, some players tried to do too much. Some became timid and tried to do too little. For a perfect example, look back at all the punt “returns.” They are an interesting combination of punts inside the 10 that should never have been fielded and a number which were “fair caught” when they was no one with 10 to 15 yards to the kick returner or worse allowed to roll dead. Failure trying to do too much led to failure to try anything. This year was a perfect storm of failure. There is enough blame to go around to everyone. I hate GD’s play-calling but have defended him because I think he is following Mack’s philosophy and game plan. Mack said when one player is messing up, I can replace him. When 3 players are messing up, I can replace the coach. What logically follows, but which Mack did not state, is when there is total collapse, where everyone is playing poorly, the buck stops at the HC. Mack needs to look in the mirror. He will have difficulty firing GD, not because of friendship and loyalty, but because Mack know he himself is a big part of the problem.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Gotta start with the CEO
All the votes going to GD might as well go to Mack as well, since Mack has allowed GD to coach the offense for all these years.
Garrett Gilbert doesn’t deserve to be separate option. That’s unfair to him. Offensive line, running backs, and wide receivers are equal to blame for on the field performance.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 26, 2010 4:53 PM CST reply actions
Yep...
Gilbert hasn’t been great, but he didn’t allow a TD run of 60 and 40 yards last night.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Or was the first one 80?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
I figured, if the QB gets a lot of the glory, he should get a lot of the blame, too
That was his power. The greatest trick Greg Davis ever pulled was convincing Mack Brown that he was invaluable. And like that, poof. He's been here for 12 years.
by iamjackburton on Nov 26, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Like the poll...
obviously it would be easiest to vote for the entire team. Kind of a cop out pick.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
I voted for Mack...
…because, as stated earlier, he’s the Captain, but he definitely deserves the chance to turn this around. I’m surprised at how GG is so error-prone and indecisive, thought he’d progress at a much faster rate, but what do I know. Oh, and I definitely think bottled beer is a much greater thing than sliced bread.
Hello Texas, sure is good to see you again...
by DaytrippingLonghorn on Nov 26, 2010 7:20 PM CST reply actions
I voted for Mack
But if the “Team” means everyone, from Mack to the ball boys, then I should have voted for the Team. Our special teams play was beyond horrendous from the kickoffs going out of bounds, the silly rugby punt that usually nets about 15 0r 20 yards, not to mention the punts that were muffed and then that brilliant final play of the 2010 season…..staring at a non-fielded punt as time ticks away. Tick, tick, tick, crickets………
Yeah, that last play pretty well symbolizes the entire season.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
I'm a little surprised by the results of the poll
Reading BON the entire season, I had the impression that about 80% thought GD was to blame for everything. Criticism of the players was frowned upon because they were “kids”, “trying hard,” but apparently never taught by their coaches to block, tackle, avoid “false starts” especially in the red zone, catch passes thrown right at them, or go beyond the down marker on third down passes. MB was defended by those saying he was the CEO who allowed his coaches alot of freedom and didn’t meddle in the day to day issues. One person even said he had “earned the right” to coach at UT as long as he wanted. Others declared he deserved a “pass” or a “mulligan.” I don’t know what percentage of the BON regulars have voted on this, but I find it interesting that almost as many blame Mack Brown as Greg Davis, and those primarily faulting the players themselves is not too far behind. Good poll.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Defending Mack Brown
As one of the people who might be labeled as a Mack Brown apologist, I would like to clarify a few points about my stance, although I don’t presume to speak for the others:
- I hold Mack Brown responsible for the failure of a season
- I don’t believe Mack deserves a pass or a mulligan
- I think Mack is overpayed, and he has underperformed. Perhaps his pay needs to be based on wins, rather than guaranteed. Nothing makes a person more complacent than having money thrown at them.
However:
- I don’t believe Mack should be fired or foreced into retirement… yet. Let’s see how next season goes.
- Mack Brown is proven as HC of Texas. Any one else that could take his spot is unproven. I believe it’s more of a gamble to bring in someone new than to give Mack a chance to right his wrongs. We’ve seen other programs that have had success under a certain coach, then fired said coach after a down year only to see the successor send the program into the gutter.
- Call me soft but I think what Mack has done for Texas, regardless of his pay, has earned him the right to not be thrown out on his ass after one season.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
How is he overpaid?
Relative to the direction he’s taken this program, particularly in making it the biggest revenue-generating machine in college sports today, he’s actually underpaid.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well, this year he was paid $1 million per win.
Before, this year, I don’t think many hard core fans were complaining about his salary.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
I didn't mean that as an absolute.
It’s my fault, as I tend to utilize subtlety to the point of being cryptic. What I was getting after was that, while he’s earned a large salary in his past seasons, he hasn’t continued that trend with this season. I was merely making the foundation for my argument that his pay should be based on more recent peformance than past performance in order to keep him hungry and prevent complacency.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
One exception doesn't disprove a trend, though
And his more recent performance (the past three seasons) includes one bad year, but also two that had Texas on the cusp of national championships.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I would find it difficult to disprove a trend without wading into the murky waters of metaphysics.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
Programs going into the gutter after firing a coach.
You make good points, Hooktech. However, isn’t it possible that many of those programs that fired a good coach after one bad season did so not just because of that season but because they saw that the program was going in the wrong direction and not likely to improve anytime soon. So naturally it may have taken 2 or 3 years for anyone to turn it around. I see us being only marginally better next year, even without GD. I am curious as to what would be acceptable next year for all those wanting to give Mack another “chance.” “6-6”, “7-5?” “8-4?”
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
I don't disagree...
The decision to keep Mack certainly should not rest on that argument alone, it should just be one of many things to consider. It could be that it is folly to consider that point at all, but it worries me a bit, nonetheless. This is a complex issue, despite many attempts to make it simple (not referring to you), that demands many points of consideration be included in the line of reasoning that leads to a conclusion.
As far as what type of season would be acceptable to support keeping Mack on, if I had to put a record on it, considering the incoming talent, I’d say 10+ wins.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N2OxuChrRM
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
That would make it tegilbertam, and that makes no sense.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
I picked team
I didnt see Mack throwing interceptions, dropping punts, bonehead penalities and giving up on tackles!!!!! As one great coach (Bill Parcels) has said “I dont coach penalities”
Obviously the fans
If we just yelled louder…
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Ultimately it falls on Mack
While TexasStateHorn is correct that coaches don’t fumble, miss tackles, drop passes, throw interceptions, etc., this team has underperformed across the board. The poor performance of the players is due to one or more of the following: (1) recruiting (we recruited the wrong players, or at least the wrong players for our scheme), (2) motivation and attitude, (3) conditioning, (4) scheme and philosophy, and (5) training, teaching, and coaching. Ultimately, Mack is responsible for all this. He recruits, hires, supervises, motivates, disciplines, sets the scheme and philosophy, and decides who is playing. Yet, we will see one or more assistants sacrificed as scapegoat(s), and Mack will again be making $5 million a year.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Ultimately it falls on Mack
OBD all good points!! Mack does get paid handsomely, but dont you think he deserves it??? He has brought us a National title, took us to one last year and one interception from going to another!! He will right the ship!! I have confidence in Mack!!
by TexasStateHorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
There's a difference between responsibility and blame
Obviously the head coach in any program bears ultimate responsibility. Any authority or responsibility on the part of an assistant or player is only there because the head coach delegated. This means that Mack’s the one most responsible.
With that said, this is one poor season amidst a long string of excellence from Mack. Just because Mack bears the responsibility for this season’s ugliness doesn’t in any way mean Mack should be fired or even really doubted.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 27, 2010 6:34 PM CST reply actions
This poll is a sham without MacWhorter
We were playing against A&M with a shower curtain for an offensive line.
And to think that we don’t have the talent there to do better is crazy. The guys we have aren’t bad, but they all look bad. That’s on the coach.
I blame it all on VY.
If he had just stayed one more year, everything would have been different. Plus everybody else seems to be on the VY-Hatin’-train these days. In all sincerity, I hope he gets a fair shake with a team that knows how to use his skills.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
VY leaving early
seems to be that when he left early, it started the trend of other UT players leaving early as well. This trend has played a big role in our failures to win it all the last few years.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 29, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Of course I was joking about it being VY's fault.
But you make a valid point (Jermichael, ET). In fact it’s Brent Musburger’s fault. Musburger encouraged VY to leave early after the championship win. Therefore, it’s Musburger’s fault that we sucked this year. I never need much of a reason to hate Musburger. He is so _ for OU.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
It is all on Mack.
I love what he has done, and consider him classy as they come, but there is no excuse at this level. He put the team in this position. There is no one to blame but him. Everything leads back to him.
The Whole Team
I didn’t vote because the team option only includes players but not coaches? The whole team from top to bottom is to blame, though some more than others. Also the post seems to already point to Mack Brown…? I think there is a difference between “responsible” and “to blame.” As a head coach making 5mil, Mack Brown is responsible but that does not mean all problems can be blamed on him. His major mistake was giving the assistant coaches too much autonomy and not enough oversight. He now is responsible has to fire those assistant coaches that did not get their players to meet expectations, and he will be responsible for the new coaches performance as well… What Mack can be blamed for is allowing an underachieving OC to keep his job for so many years in the past, but I hope that ends now!
Responsibility vs Blame
Several have made a distinction between “responsibility” and “blame.” They argue that Mack indeed is “reponsible” for everything but should not be “blamed” for mistakes made by his coaches or players. Yet, many who make this argument also give Mack “credit” for past performances and then often argue that Mack should get a “pass” at least for this year. But if Mack gets the “credit” when things go right, shouldn’t he get the “blame” when things go horribly wrong? To me “credit” and “blame” are the fair and logical result of his “responsibility.” Some have referred to Mack as a “CEO” type HC. Some CEO’s of large corporation are unaware of everything their VP’s et al are doing. Everything that Greg Davis, MaWhorter, and the other coaches have been doing have been right in front of Mack’s face, whether at practice or during the game.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

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