Assistant Roulette Predictions/Wish List
by acho81 on Nov 26, 2010 4:38 PM CST
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I'm sure you guys all heard the rumors about how Davis, McWhorter, Kennedy, Tollison, and possibly Chambers will be gone by means of retirement, resignation, or straight up termination. Word has it that Muschamp will have plenty of impact in deciding the new assistants. What I'm going to do is write all the vacant staff spots and predict who will fill them, and then you guys do the same to hopefully get a little offseason discussion going. Sad that it's the offseason, but this could be the offseason that defines the program for the next ten years. I'm going to include RB and QB coach on this list because I feel that Major will be promoted to QB coach but not OC.
Here we go:
Position: Coach (current school)
Offensive Coordinator: Guz Malzahn (Auburn)
- Auburn is a virtual breeding ground for Texas assistants, and with the possibility of sanctions combined with the likelihood that Dana Holgerson will not want to leave Stillwater for another Big 12 school, Malzahn could very well be our guy. He has orchestrated great offenses for the Tigers under former Texas DC Gene Chizik (although Cam Newton has certainly helped out).
Quarterbacks Coach: Major Applewhite (Texas)
- I feel like Coaches Brown and Muschamp will want some kind of continuity on the staff, and while Major is not the answer at running backs coach, he very well could be the guy at QB coach. Worth at least a shot, as I would be shocked if he was fired. Another option here would obviously be Malzahn.
Running Backs Coach: Ron Gould (California)
- A guy many haven't heard of, he has coached up Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, and Jahvid Best. He'd be a quality hire.
Receivers Coach: Ray Sherman (Dallas Cowboys)
- Here's a guy who turned undrafted Miles Austin into an All-Pro and could likely be out of a job with the Cowboys' head coaching change, although Jason Garrett probably wouldn't fire him. NFL experience would be great for the program, and he would do great things for our WRs.
Offensive Line Coach: Joe Pendry (Alabama)
- Wishful thinking I'm sure, but we're Texas and we have money. This guy coaches up disciplined, tough offensive lines that have turned Greg McElroy into National Championship winning QB Greg McElroy. So he's gotta be good.
What do y'all think?
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What I think is things couldn't get much worse.
We are 5-7 and really should be 3-9.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Malzahn = wishful thinking
no chance Gus makes another lateral move. He’s going to the SEC title game and is a proven coach. Why go to Texas, what’s the point? He can easily make more than a million bucks as a HC, and that’s as much as we would pay. His next move will be to a head coaching position.
Perhaps
SEC competition and losing Cam Newton if he goes pro is a swaying factor. He isn’t in the SEC title game without that guy, no matter how good his schemes may be.
If Cam Newton is to Malzahn...
as VY is to greg davis, then can someone please explain to me why you want Malzahn?! Sounds like flawed logic to me. Malzahn found the right talent for his offense, GD found a way to put VY in a position to put his vast skills on display (while also coddling an ego it now appears from what is going in Tennessee).
The assumption one must make is that Malzahn — just like any young assistant — dreams of being a head coach one day. Thus, that Malzahn has had good offenses at Arkansas, Tulsa, and Auburn and right now, he is Auburn’s most visible assistant. He will likely win the Broyles award this year. If there was ever a time to cash in his chips and take a HC position, it would be now. On the other hand, taking the OC job at Texas could be a step back and a risk. If he were to fail to put together a solid offense (maybe as some would argue because there isn’t a foundation of talent at QB, RB, Oline, WR, and TE) he would move further back in the minds of those looking to hire a head coach.
If he is already going to coach in the SEC title game and likely a national championship game, what does he stand to gain at Texas?
A HC where though?
He could take a second tier job like Colorado, but he’d be taking over a losing program with limited resources. There aren’t really any great coaching vacancies this year. Moving to Texas, even for a year, will give him some experience recruiting in Texas, a nice pay check, get him away from any taint associated with recruiting violations, and allow him to wait for his ideal job. Would he come to Texas? I don’t know. But it there are definitely some advantages to doing so.
How does it help Texas
to have Malzahn for one year?
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
So we keep the same system when he leaves?
You think Major will want to do exactly what Malzahn did? He wouldn’t want to change route combination’s or verbage? My point is that part of having a successful offense is continuity. Bringing in someone who will only be here for one year is not a good idea. I like Malzahn and if Texas brings him in I’ll be behind it but there are other directions I would like to go than with Malzahn.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I don't think he'll try to do exactly what Malzahn did,
but a year under him would give him a chance to learn more, decide what he thinks works best and mold his own system. He could incorporate some of what he learned in his stops prior to Texas (Syracuse, Rice, Bama, etc.), incorporate some of what he learned under GD (if there is anything to be learned), and then what he learns under Malzahn. I don’t disagree that continuity is a good thing to have, but the kind of hire that UT would/should be looking to make won’t lend itself to a whole lot of continuity.
I just don't see the great gain
in having an OC for one year. If Major needs to learn that offense in order for fans to feel more comfortable in it I would rather him go spend a week with Malzahn during the summer than bring in someone for one year and then start all over again. I’m not saying my way is perfect, but speaking from experience as a high school and collegiate player I always found our offense easy because my understanding of it grew every year. I didn’t have to re-learn anything. Part of becoming a great player is when you stop thinking about what to do and you just know it and you allow your physical talents to take over rather than being skiddish cause your not sure. That is just my view.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Look at his track record
Lots of success at Ark, Tulsa, Auburn, etc. Different kinds of players at each.
hire holgerson NOW! back up a dump truck of money in his driveway and he will come
cut muschamps salary in half and pay dana triple what he already makes in stillwater
if muschamp complains or decides to leave… who cares? dude was just riding off of chiziks recruits anyways
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on Nov 26, 2010 5:24 PM CST reply actions
Well, if we're blowing this thing up...
Just go get Harbaugh and let him pick his own guys.
Holgerson's name seems to be popping up a lot
But i don’t see him leaving OSU after this season. They’ve got a young team and there’s no reason they shouldn’t be contending for just as much, if not more, next year. Plus they are one of the few teams that can afford to shell out the cash to keep him when we come offering with a huge check. Pickens has already poured so much money into the program, he would be an idiot to just let Holgerson walk away now that they’re actually reaping the benefits.
by hooked on texas on Nov 26, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
No that we have a riches of QB's
But does OSU have a QB next year? I thought Wheeden was a Sr, no?
How old is Hunter?
I think Blackmon is gone btw
good point
Weeden is a junior, but since he’s so old already, he may opt for the draft. And I didn’t realize that Blackmon was a 3rd year sophomore, so he may very well be gone as well. Will be interesting to see what they decide.
by hooked on texas on Nov 27, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Neither are leaving.
Weeden would be crazy to and Blackmon needs to hang around too. Another year would do both of ’em very well.
UT is better than OSU..its that simple
Its easier to recruit to UT and its in Austin. UT is filthy rich.
by Longhorns84 on Nov 28, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Word from Stillwater
Is that Golden Boy Holgerson doesn’t have a driveway. He lives in a hotel. No house. Could it be that he is planning on Okie-lite being a temporary gig?
On my signal,,,Unleash Hell,,,and Fire Greg Davis,,please?
Thanks to both of you
You both successfully made me throw up the dinner I just ate.
OC
I want the OC from Oklahoma State. He fits the UT system. Gus reminds me of GD when VY was there. I think I could’ve been the OC when VY was at UT and won 10 games.
I want the s&t coach from boise
those guys are growing up.
I don't think they have the speed
But that’s probably a capacity limitation on the part of the athletes. Contrary to what the idiot announcers say, you CAN coach speed, but natural capacity is also a major component. At Texas, the athletes have the capacity to be bigger, faster, and stronger than most Boise State recruits. So yeah, I guess bringing in a guy who does well with BSU recruits might wreck the curve with Texas recruits.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
my mom would be a better strength and conditioning coach
than Mad Dog. Did you see that stupid tug-a-war drill? WTF? At least my mom could keep people off the field for not playing hard.
Get me Bama’s strength coach. They at least look tough.
just remember...
All of those here who think Mahlzahn is the second coming of (fill in the blank) think about the poo-pooing the idea of Todd Dodge as OC that went on here recently when I mentioned his name. In 2005, Mahlzahn and Dodge had exactly the same position — HS head coach. Mahlzahn as OC at Arkansas is the same guy he is today and his offensive philosophy hasn’t changed an iota. I don’t see any way Mahlzahn makes a lateral move from OC of the #2 team in the nation to OC at a non-bowl qualifying team, so forget that one. Dodge is available, has ties to UT, and is obviously well connected in the Texas HS coaching ranks. His offensive creativity is equal to Mahlzahn’s.
You can't say because this year a team is good
It becomes a lateral move. Last year Auburn didn’t have Newton and was lousy. Oklahoma was 7-5. UT was in the title game.
So last year all the money, recruiting, facilities, not playing an SEC schedule favored a step up for UT, and because of 1 year it’s all gone and it is now considered lateral?
Not really. Newton leaves, Auburn goes back to a slightly better than average SEC team
Agreed
Must also consider the stink that could become associated with the Auburn program after the smoke is cleared from the Cam Newton saga. Not that the stink is anything new to Auburn, or any SEC program for that matter.
Can you say Ryan Perrilloux?
Navigator and $100k
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 28, 2010 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
Or Albert Means and $100K
Or any number of other violations. The SEC should be collectively run through a USC-style wringer.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
"Not playing an SEC schedule" favors UT, huh?
I really don’t see it. The axiom that the SEC is clearly supreme, even just on defense, is dated.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Dodge is interesting
He has an impressive pedigree, knows his way around the offensive side of the ball and is aTEXAS EX…don’t be fooled by the NORTH TEXAS fiasco…I am confidant that was a monetary deceision on his part ( has anyone won there? )
Yes, someone did
They were the Sun Belt champs for quite a few consecutive years earlier in the decade.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
correction
You’re right…UNT shared or won the SUNBELT title from 2001-2004
Obvious HC need not apply
No point in wasting time with coaches only looking for HC positions like Leach.
I like your choice of Applewhite at QB and Gould at RB. You never know…Holgerson might come to Texas. He’s got some ties with the state having coached at Houston and TT. Malzahn would be great. Dodge is an interesting idea, and I like nvrfrgt63’s reasoning. Helfrich from Oregon would be good too. Primary requirements: 1) great offensive mind and not afraid to use it and 2) nimble mind to make quick make adjustments. No idea about an OL coach, but I presume they’ll have to have SEC or Big10 or NFL pedigree. No ideas about WR or ST coaches either. Texas has generally been good, but far from great, at ST. This year’s team has been plagued by enormously stupid individual decisions.
The pride and winning tradition of The University of Texas will not be entrusted to the weak or the timid.
Hook'em
The idea of a 1 or 2 and done guy is appealing
He comes in for a year or two, coaches up Applewhite, Muschamp takes over at HC and Applewhite takes over at OC.
Changes
I like Todd Dodge as the OC
Major QB coach
Keep Kennedy at WR coach
Who was the RB coach at Colorado a few years back and he also played at CU and now is the RB coach with Minnesota Vikings?
OL-Pedry would be good
by TexasStateHorn on Nov 27, 2010 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Keep Kennedy at WR coach
haha. I guess you haven’t been watching this season.
keep kennedy at WR coach!!
I was watching!!! WR was not a problem!! GG either threw an interception, threw it off a DL helmet for an interception or he threw so dam hard at the WR only 8 or 10 yards away that it bounced off the WR for another interception or drop!!! GG needs to find a touch it seemed like he was trying to impress everybody with his NFL arm on every threw this year!!!
by TexasStateHorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Are you sure!!!???
How is it that every team other than use can use a bubble screen where their receivers know how to block for it?!!! How is it that our receivers can be consistent?!!! Why can’t our receivers catch??!!! If it hits the receiver’s hands, he should catch it, no excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by vy til i die on Nov 28, 2010 3:34 AM CST up reply actions
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
??????????????????????
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 28, 2010 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
thanks, buddy
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 29, 2010 6:51 AM CST up reply actions
And no, I wasn't being sarcastic. The over-use of punctuation drives me nuts.
Nothing against you personally, VYTID, just your over-use of punctuation.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
were you impersonating someone else?
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 29, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
who?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 29, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
woooooooopsss!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, VYTID, I mean to put TSH where I put your initials. I was appreciating your joke and copied your initials down by accident. My apologies to you, good sir. t
This reminds me of the time I wrote the hot girl in my O-chem class’ name on my final instead of mine.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
Changes
Eric sleeping with the Bienemy is the RB coach I was thinking of!??!!? He can recruit and he is fiery coach exactly what this team needed this year!!!!
by TexasStateHorn on Nov 27, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions
and a cool FB name, too
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Changes...
Watching OSU-MICH what about Rodriguez for OC? It looks like he is on his way out at Michigan!!!! LOL!!!
My picks...
Todd Dodge would be a good pick up at OC, so would Holgerson. Dodge would be easier to get. Major as QB coach ( I suspect he already is doing some of that, especially with Colt the last two years) is a good choice. Don’t know enough about other position coaches though. Interesting seeing what you guys bring up.
Play like you mean it...
Todd Dodge would be settling
We aren’t in a place where we can risk getting a guy that has no CFB skins on the wall and who’s CFB history is a complete joke. UT isn’t a place to experiment with a good HS mind and being an easier pick up doesn’t mean anything to UT $$$. We have the ability to bring in whoever we want. Bring him in as a position coach, maybe, but that’s it. I can’t see anybody but Holgorsen coming to Texas. Malzahn might come but I just don’t see it happening. I’ll take Gus or Dana, but anything else will disappoint me.
you might want to rethink this
We have the ability to bring in whoever we want.
There is a smell of entitlement in that statement. As notsofst says below, do you think you can outbid Pickens for Holgorson? Do you really think that TBP will lose a star assistant over money? That looks like *ick measurement pretty quick, and I will bet TBP won’t be outmeasured.
It isn’t just Holgorson and OSU — that is a pretty blanket statement you made. Why would an OC at a perennial top ten program — say Bollman at Ohio State, Addazio at UF — leave for UT?
No I think my statement is fine.
We can measure dicks with T Boone because we have a lot more to offer besides just $$$
yeah
like bigger d*cks!
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 29, 2010 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
i wish
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 29, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
The guy you want is David Shaw
Stanford’s offensive coordinator. It’s a modern day pro-style offense. He develops qb’s and running backs. Plus he has NFL experience as a position coach. Not to mention he has also coached on the defensive side of the ball. The problem with him is that Stanford is his Alma mater and he looks like a guy with an NFL future. His experience trumps holgordsen’s and he fits with mack’s conservative offensive philosophy as well as muschamp’s alleged desire for a pro-style offense. Plus Alma mater notwithstanding, Texas is sexier than Stanford.
If I had my pick, this would be the guy I would take and it’s not even close.
by BMG on Nov 27, 2010 6:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't disagree that Shaw is a good pick
but he is an alma mater guy and I think he’s one of Harbaugh’s guys as well. He isn’t goin anywhere.
Holgorsen would be a big splash hire, that has proven he can make an immediate impact. He also has recruiting experience in Texas and the rest of the Big 12. Maybe he brings a (RB) recruit or two with him from OSU.
I think Shaw's sticking around so he can take over if Harbaugh leaves
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'll throw out some more names that could be potential OC candidates
Robert Anae, BYU? Same background as Holgorsen, but we don’t have to outbid Pickens to get him..
Mark Whipple of Miami
Frank Cignetti of Pitt
Bryan Harsin of Boise State – This one is interesting to me. First, we know the current staff met with Boise over the summer. Second, pulling someone from Boise would make the newspapers, and possibly get recruits a little excited.
Whipple as QB coach, maybe
I think he’d be a step down from Greg Davis, to be honest. Let him just coach QBs, unless the program wants to groom Major there.
Another guy who could be the QB coach or even OC is Jagodzinski.
I’m not impressed with Cignetti. Not Texas impressed, anyway.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Why would some of those guys come to UT?
Alabama’a OL coachand Cowboys coach?
I’d take Holgerson (OSU) over GM as the OC.
Any reason not to toss Tim Brewster a lucrative salary to be TEs coach?
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 1:11 PM CST reply actions
Lucrative for a TEs coach, I mean
I’ll say this, though: I’m not particularly interested in him as an OC candidate. I think he’d be a huge boon for recruiting, but I don’t think he’d cut it as the proven point-scorer Will Muschamp wants.
I just read this on a fantake blog, so take that in mind, but someone mentioned that Brewster is persona non grata at Texas now. Any ideas as to why that might be?
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 28, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not sure..
..but he was pissed when Texas canceled the game b/w UT and Minnesota.
by vy til i die on Nov 28, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm, I guess it's possible, but that would seem a really small reason to PNG someone
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 29, 2010 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Major and Joe Pendry
did not see eye to eye at Bama. Word was that Pendry was calling the plays at the end of the year. That explains Bama’s losing streak in 07. Cross that off the list.
I haven't read the whole thread,
so feel free to ignore if I’m repetitive. Wisconsin sure scored a lot of points this season. Was it the scheme, the O coaching, the players, all of the above? You would think we could generate at least half as many points as they did. I bet we scored closer to 1/4. Shouldn’t we be taking a hard look at them for potential coaching cands. and schemes?
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
Priest Homes for RB Coach?
Would there be an appetite on either side here? I think his influence, class, and NFL experience brings alot to the table. I would lvoe to see him on the staff somehow somewhere.
What coaching experience
does he have that makes you comfortable handing over the reins?
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
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