A thought about what is going on this year with Mack Brown
I'm not going to act like I know what is going on in 2010 with our Texas Longhorns football team. Honestly, I really am stunned by our season and it's hard to add anything that hasn't already been said but I have two thoughts and am curious as to what everyone thinks in how it relates to the 2010 disappoint of a season.
2008 - We thought we were "one year away" due to Colt McCoy's mediocre 2007 season, a very young secondary and a new coordinator. McCoy plays like a Heisman candidate, we beat OU 45-35, lose to Tech on a last second play and end up being placed out of the Big 12 Championship game due to the Big 12 tiebreaker rules. This was hard to swallow for all of us because we beat OU but I guess rules are rules despite some of the media's effort to put us where we deserved to be. We beat a good tOSU team in the BCS Fiesta Bowl and OU loses to Florida in the MNC and we are left thinking what if we had played Florida instead?
In between: Will Muschamp declared headcoach in-waiting for Texas. Will Muschamp named headcoach in waiting when Mack Brown is at the top of his game. It was a bit of an odd mood but it locked in a defense coordinator who could bring Mack Brown his 2nd title. Jordan Shipley granted another year (just think about how huge this way for the 2009 team's success on offense)
2009 - Before 2008, THIS is the year we all knew would be our best shot at the MNC with McCoy. We struggle mightily offensively in many games but still manage to go through the regular season undefeated largely thanks to our defense (except A&M) and our special teams play. We play Alabama in the MNC and we lose McCoy on the fifth play of the game. We have to put a freshmen QB that got very little playing time in the game and, well, we almost came back but ultimately fell short.
With what is said above, I really think Mack Brown just isn't the same after these two years. I think he was desperate for the second national title (he still is) and those two years had this big emotional negative effect on him and he hasn't been able to recover as seen by the team just not looking like a very good team this year.
Think back to 2008. We tried really hard to get into the game we deserved to play in. Mack tried hard. And then in 2009, when Colt McCoy went down, I just think Mack lost it. He lost it during the offseason and just hasn't recovered. Psychologically, I just don't think he cares. This is all just random guesses. I can see how these two seasons can have an effect on one person. Two legitimate shots at the national title and neither worked out fairly. Yes, you play the game but I just don't think Mack Brown is the same headcoach he once was. You can debate if he was ever good and blah blah but I think these two seaons changed Mack Brown...maybe forever.
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The problem
is the defense isn’t good enough to carry the offense like Mack expected. The 2nd DT didn’t show up like it did the past two seasons and every team UT lost to tears up the middle of the defense.
Greg Davis doesn’t have a VY, Colt, or Shipley to cover up his predictable offense.
Defense is not horrible. Are they elite? No. But with a good offense, we still win 10 games.
Yeah we wont be national title contenders without a VY or McCoy, but we have won 10 games with lesser QBs. There’s something wrong on a grander scale than just not having VY or McCoy. We won 10 games in 2001-2003 without those two.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
I agree
but not good enough to carry the offense this year.
You may be right about Mack....but I'm sitting here watching the Cowboys get destroyed in Green Bay....
and the similiarities with the Horns is mind boggling. Talent galore, a tradition of winning, a really nice coach who has watched the wheels come off his team and not a clue about how to get things turned around. Disasters like this happen and it will have to run its course. Its painful, and there is nothing we can actually do about it and it will probably get worse before it gets better…..so hold on.
My heart is telling me the team is going to get it together and somehow we are going to win against OSU (hell, we beat Nebraska who beat OSU) but my head is telling me we are going to lose by at least 40.
Regardless, were Texas, so lets do our best to stay positive…..if you think your frustrated, imagine how the team and coaches are right now.
HOOK EM ’
Up is Down. Cats sleeping with dogs. My world has gone insane !
by MeatchickenHorn on Nov 7, 2010 10:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Listen to this man.
His words are wise.
You're gonna strongly agree with some of what I say, and you'll strongly disagree with some of what I say. Either way, I don't give a d@#n. I'm just here to talk sports.
The similiarities are uncanny.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Sure the seasons are similar in that both teams are in a freefall....BUT
the Longhorns have had much better success year in and year out than the Cowboys in the last 10 years. They have also been ascended to the tops of the polls and won a national championship. We’ve been consistent with winning 10 years and have run a steady ship in success.
Please do not compare us to the Cowboys except that both teams are utter failures this year. Both are surprising, sure, but I think the Longhorns are the most surprising of the two.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
This fall from grace is not unprecedented...
but it is very rare. I mean very rare. Barking Carnival wrote a piece on it and it’s quite interesting. In essence, only three other times in history has the #2 team from the previous season fallen this far, this quickly.
http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/11/07/this-is-not-normal/
Hey, the system is not perfect. But, it's better than the one we had. Um, really? Joe Paterno led 4 undefeated teams under the old system that were not National Champions. With this "better" system, we've only had to endure a BCS controversy OR an inconclusive end to the following seasons: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.
Sorry, Sunkist. Gotta disagree.
Has Mack had a good year? You have to ask?
But has he lost it? No. Strong NO. Does he care? Hell yes. He’d be the first to admit he’s made mistakes, that he made some decisions that haven’t worked (and maybe he suspected they wouldn’t work).
There’s no easy answer on the ineffectual play. One thing that’s clear: This is not a strong team mentally. They haven’t dealt well with adversity, and some players have lost focus, lost discipline, failed to step up at crunch time. Maybe that fold at crunch time is the biggest surprise to me. This is a program whose teams came from far behind, from almost no chance of winning, to pull out game after game from 2004-09.
That’s missing. Mack’s got to get it back. I’m guessing he will.
by edsp on Nov 7, 2010 11:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff
And about what people say regarding not being able to do anything without a VY or Colt:
You can scratch that from your minds.
Greg Davis took Colt McCoy, a small town 2A football player, and a 3 Star recruit that everyone thought would be backup to Ryan Perrilloux and turned him into a freakin God at The University of Texas. Don’t tell me Greg can’t coach a QB. He has his faults, but he doesn’t deserve the amount of criticism he is receiving.
You're gonna strongly agree with some of what I say, and you'll strongly disagree with some of what I say. Either way, I don't give a d@#n. I'm just here to talk sports.
Colt had one year of Vince Young, too.
I don’t believe the making of Colt is all Greg Davis’ doing. Colt would also be the first to say he is no god.
Colt had his doubters which fueled his determination to succeed.
Gilbert comes in as a former Gatorade Player of the Year and #2 QB recruit in the country.
The coaches had no expectations of McCoy (like the fans). I think they have all the expectations in Gilbert (like the fans). Perhaps they expected him to be good to great from the start like many of us and it isn’t working. They have so far failed in that regard. The kid did not look this bad in high school. Part of it is him but part of it is coaching. You have to put him in position to succeed and maybe they tried it by going to this power running game but then they didn’t have one. It’s a failure on both ends but it still goes back to coaching.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Agree
It’s a lot easier coming in as a three star recruit than everybody’s pick for HS All-American, five star, blue chip, whatever you want to call it, especially for 18 or 19 year olds. This has to be a nightmare for Gilbert. The part I feel badly about is that he’s getting no help from ANYBODY, including the coach ‘running the offense’ if you can call it that.
Mack is probably a psychologist’s dream patient- smart, ambitious, loyal, persevering, prone to bouts of depression. You have to take the good with the bad with these types of people but in the end you’re glad you stuck with them.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Nov 8, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Fully agree
People call him a moron, an idiot, incompetent, etc. but it’s all just hyperbole and emotional hand-wringing. He has more fault than I’d like, but he’s none of those things.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
He's a friggin Genius, right, burntorangehorn? Him and Mack Brown.
They’re just having a down year this year, that’s all. Just you wait, they’ll show’em!
"I don't know. You'll have to ask Greg (Davis). He calls the plays." - Mack Brown
by iamjackburton on Nov 8, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
cs?
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 8, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Good analysis, Sunkist.
I agree that the two “near misses” the last 2 years had a negative effect on Mack. One result was his attempt to develop a power running game, even though he clearly did not have the personnel for it. Added to that are the effects of 2 beliefs Mack has stated this year. One is that he thought the defense might be the best ever at Texas and the other is “In college, football games are lost, not won.” Thus Mack apparently felt that so long as the offense did not make alot of mistakes the defense should be able to win the game for us. Having an inexperience QB made Mack take his “playing not to lose” philosophy to the extreme. Thus I think alot of the conservative play-calling and horizontal passing game were a misplaced and ineffective attempt to minimize turn-overs and give Gilbert confidence by having him complete short passes. However, completing a pass for a 2-yard loss gives no QB confidence. The defense wasn’t near what Mack thought it would be. The team started losing and people started clamouring for them to “take the reigns off Gilbert” and “allow” him to thrown the ball downfield. Finally this was done with disasterous results. Yet Mack did not want to take Gilbert out even for a quarter out of a fear of a “QB controversy” or of damaging Gilbert’s confidence, ignoring the fact that leaving him in to throw 5 interceptions would be even more damaging to his confidence. Mack preached accountability but didn’t practice it. Players, I believe, lost confidence in both Gilbert and Mack. Some of them then tried to do too much, making mistakes. Others just “mailed it in.” I don’t think Mack has a clue what the problem is. One weeks he accepts all the responsibility himself, the next week he calls out his coaches in public. One week he describes the players as arrogant with a sense of entitlement and says he doesn’t trust them, the next week he is praising his effort. These mixed message further confuse and frustrate the players. We are seeing the painful results.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
"...praising their effort."
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
"take the reigns off Gilbert"...a little Freudian slip
For it is our reign which is slipping away.
I think you're onto something.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
Am I the only one who doesn't care?
I run a business. My clients don’t care what is “going on” with me. They aren’t worried about my past successes and failures (the ones that don’t impact them). They really couldn’t care less about my mental health, except for the few clients who have become friends.
Here’s what they care about: the product I deliver. The value. The quality. And how it positively impacts their businesses.
That’s it. And frankly, that’s what I care about from Mack – not his mental ghosts, not his personal problems, and not his attitudes. I care about paying for his unprecedented $5 million salary with 10-win seasons, every season.
The end.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 8, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn skippy
The Mack Brown apologists and their continually pointing to the PAST and just ignoring the obscene “coaching” of this year drives me absolutely bonkers. This team was bad, bad, BAD from the first game on this year, and there have been NO IMPROVEMENT. The only “genius” Mack Brown and Greg Davis have come up with is to tell GG, “Okay, kid, run!”
That’s it.
ONE SINGLE ADJUSTMENT FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.
And yet, there are still apologists repeating the same excuse over and over again. Sometimes I think Mack Brown’s wife Sally and Greg Davis himself are trolling BON under assume names, because all the excuses are just repeated ad nauseaum over and over again like robots without brains.
"I don't know. You'll have to ask Greg (Davis). He calls the plays." - Mack Brown
by iamjackburton on Nov 8, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
One can argue
that’s all they did with VY and CM, too.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 8, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
i.e., let them run.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 8, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm asking this in all seriousness:
How old are you?
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Is that question directed at me?
Cause if it is, I have no idea what age has to do with my comment … Do only people of a certain age expect accountability and a good value for the dollar?
I was at Texas during the McWilliams/Mackovic years, if that helps. And for reference, it’s not nice to ask a lady her age.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 8, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's toward iamjackburton
He/she has been displaying very juvenile behavior. You haven’t, although I generally disagree. I think it’s fine to expect accountability, and it’s apparent that you do. I do as well. We just do it differently than some others do, and I hope for iajb’s sake that same’s method is due to age.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
whew!
I thought it was directed at me.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 8, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
*although WE generally disagree
And I was talking about one or two issues, and the disagreements are pretty minor.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
How is he supposed to know you're a woman?
Especially since the name is Eddie.. There’s nothing I can see in your profile that tells me your sex. Even if there were, you can’t expect everyone to go check to see if you’re a woman before replying to you.
I know I know, not important. Just pointing it out
You're gonna strongly agree with some of what I say, and you'll strongly disagree with some of what I say. Either way, I don't give a d@#n. I'm just here to talk sports.
I'm a woman?
I know my ex-wife is bisexual, but this calls the kids into question.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
I’m having a hard time figuring out what to say. I could ask if you even read my post.. I could point out that my message was clearly a reply to “EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel”.. I could ask whether or not you read her post.. I could point out that in no way can I understand how you even came to “I’m a woman?” as a reply to my post, seeing as how I was kinda sticking up for you..
Don’t know man
You're gonna strongly agree with some of what I say, and you'll strongly disagree with some of what I say. Either way, I don't give a d@#n. I'm just here to talk sports.
Whoooooops
My mistake. Feeling sheepish, and no longer womanly.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I understand what you are saying
but my point was that his mental ghosts etc. are what are causing his business (program) to fail this year.
We’re human, not robots, and our own emotional problems can have an effect on other parts of our life like a job. Especially if you can get emotionally invested in your job like many head coaches are. There’s a lot of emotion, attitude, etc. in sports. That’s why we love and hate it.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
(sounds of applause)
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 8, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure you're right about how emotions can affect work.
I know it affects me.
But again, I don’t really care so much. For $5 million a year, you should be able to maintain a laser-like focus on winning. Hell, I could maintain focus for far less.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 8, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
$5 Million = Justified
The amount of money he has brought to this University more than makes up for what he is paid.
You're gonna strongly agree with some of what I say, and you'll strongly disagree with some of what I say. Either way, I don't give a d@#n. I'm just here to talk sports.
I daresay that if we continue to lose,
revenues will drop too. I don’t think most people are satisfied with paying MB exorbitant sums JUST to make a wealthy university wealthier. I think they want continued success on the football field.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Nov 8, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Mack would have much of a problem taking paycut if this continues
To this point, his salary is deserved. 5 mil is merely a fraction of what he’s brought in.
You're gonna strongly agree with some of what I say, and you'll strongly disagree with some of what I say. Either way, I don't give a d@#n. I'm just here to talk sports.
What ever is going through Mac's head......
he’d better clear it up real quick. The University would forgive two maybe even three off seasons, an off season being 6-6. but no worse However, a season that ends up 4-8 and last in the Big-12 South, well that may be a bovine of a different color. The University of Texas historically does not tolerate losing seasons regardless of the coaches previous record! One that could be this bad….well there will have to be a lot of good will from the University leadership for Mac to even hang around and it will only be good for one year. So whatever you folks think might be running through Mac’s head, I’d bet he’s fearing a pink slip, not some lost opportunity from years gone by. At Texas more than any other University in the country, its not what did you do for me last year, its what did you do for now!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally Agree
I remember when I first moved to Austin (as a young man) people had bumper stickers that said Ax Akers. Fred Akers, the head football coach at the time, had just completed a 7-4 record with an appearance (and loss) in a Bowl game. At many colleges and universities this would be considered a reasonably successful season. But at The University of Texas, this was considered mediocrity. Whatever successes Mack has had in the past and whatever challenges he has currently, he will need to win football games in order to stay in his job.

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