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Texas Coaching Changes: Setting The Table

This situation really couldn't have played out any poorer than it has, which is an important reason why even many fervent believers in Mack Brown's capabilities are anxious right now. The root of the problem isn't that Mack Brown had a plan, but that he had already begun acting on it. We were already in transition, at a pace and within a structural framework that was comfortable to Mack Brown.

Will Muschamp's departure blew up that transition, and one of the key questions now is whether Mack Brown still sees himself as nearing the end of his career. If so, that impacts how all this goes down. And if not, it raises the further question of whether Mack Brown is prepared to do all that is now required. This is a big job, and the man in charge of it is a guy who thought he was transitioning into his post-coaching life.

One might fairly wonder whether someone in that position has the requisite energy, drive, and ambition to do it all, and do it right. Some of the available "fixes" will be better than others, some will be more comfortable than others, and they won't always overlap.

At this point, we can only speculate as to whether Mack's fully up for the challenge. His success in restoring Texas to national prominence is a big feather in his cap, but it does not guarantee anything about his ability to master the task at hand. They are different projects, at different times, under different circumstances, at different points in Brown's life and career.

A quick look at the stakes after the jump...

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Recruiting

Most of us felt very good about Will Muschamp's potential as a head coach, but he has already established clearly that he is an excellent recruiter. It's easy enough to point at the gobs of talent in the state and dismiss the importance of the task, but as our offensive staff proved in recent years, there's real work that must be done to evaluate that talent and bring together a coherent class that fits a systemic vision of your squad. (The best recent example would be taking Chris Whaley, with no power running game, no coordinator interested in implementing a power running game, and the long-term outlook of Whaley himself.)

Beyond the coordinators, there's Mack himself. Mack had entered something of a cruise-control phase in recruiting, in which we in many ways had recruits come to us. To some extent, that will still be the case, as there are plenty of talented kids who just want to play for Texas (think Jaxson Shipley), but after recent events it's far from certain that the dynamics will be the same. Moreover, even if they are, it hasn't always served us well, because it is inherently limiting in its scope.

We know Mack Brown can get out there and recruit. Does he still have the energy and desire to put in the long, hard hours? Will he maximize? Or is he satisfied with 'good enough'?

Personality

Fans loved the fire Will Muschamp brought to the sidelines, but his impact was broader than fiery cheerleader. Muschamp was aggressive and tireless in his recruiting, and diligent in insisting upon high standards of excellence and accountability. Mack Brown has slipped most when things are too comfortable, and hiring friendly faces who won't push him or the program could be a big mistake.

With that said, the program needs some cohesion and stability right now, so it's no doubt necessary that this new staff comes together in a productive way, and quickly. That's an enormously difficult balance, and one of the many reasons why this search isn't as simple as "We're Texas, we can just reload with great coaches." There's a lot more to it than that.

Timing

Perhaps the biggest complicating factor in all this are the various timing considerations. First, there is the immediate urgency of getting the program back on solid ground. Fans are anxious, current players are anxious, and recruits are anxious. Muschamp's departure disrupted what was in many ways the foundation of the program - certainly its future - and created a much bigger vaccuum than anyone expected to be dealing with. Getting a staff in place quickly is important. Getting the right staff together is more important. Yet another delicate balance.

Equally important is Mack Brown's timeline? What does this do to his retirement timeline? Does he still have one? Did he ever? Does he need to have one? It's not difficult to see why what Mack Brown wants and intends to do is going to be important to the candidates for staff vacancies. But I think it's most important for Brown himself. The task at hand is much bigger than he had planned to be dealing with at this point in his career. Is he up for doing it all? And for how long? Is his goal going to be to stabilize things? Or dig in to maximize Texas football? The timelines for the two are probably different.

These are just a few of the most important dynamics at stake as all this gets under way. Our train was coasting down one track, and we didn't just crash off the track - the track itself totally disappeared. This is more than a course correction. This is a full reimagination and redesign of the course itself.

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My biggest concern is that

None of this is happening in a vacuum. OU just won another conference title, A&M is on the upswing and will be playing in the DFW recruiting hotbed this bowl season, and LSU is still a 10 win program with an identity. These seem to be our main competitors for recruits right now.

Meanwhile, Texas is….

- Coming off a 5-7 season.
- Our HCIW left us as he was being groomed to take the reigns.
- We have no DC or OC.
- The only position coaches we have on staff have been rumored to other jobs and we have heard nothing from Mack/AD to refute these claims.
- Two of the coaches involved in the rumors (Giles and Major) played for Texas and neither have come forward to have Mack’s or our program’s back publicly.
- Several recruits have given statements about how they still want to honor their commitments to UT but that the coaching flux has them concerned.

Almost everything has to go right in order to get back to having an elite on the field product. Only a few things need to go wrong for us to be staring at what Tenn, Mich and Notre Dame have been dealing with for years.

Perception can easily be reality for 18 year olds.

"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --

by Zeno of Citium on Dec 14, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Nicely put

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Wise, yes. But I am not that old. nt whills

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Dec 14, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I couldn't very well just call you "man"

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farsical aquatic ceremony…
I mean if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Help!

I’m being repressed! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 14, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Bloody peasant!!

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

So, logically…
If she weighed the same as a duck… she’s made of wood.
And therefore…
A witch!

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Dec 14, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Do you have the soundtrack on your computer, too?

I noticed that scene comes right after the Dennis scene on the soundtrack.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 15, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't know we had a king.

I thought we were an autonomous collective.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Perfectly put, 54b

As to the sentiment that the sky is falling, and is Mack Brown capable of doing anything about it . . . after 5-7. With both coordinators gone. At this point in his career.

The makeup of a coaching staff changes constantly. Assistants are always leaving. That’s the business model. Mack has been blessed by unusually low staff turnover — because of the program’s success, Mack’s loyalty and family atmosphere, and Texas paying above top dollar to retain its assistant coaches. So, now, major turnover. Time to panic?

Well, if you haven’t prepared for it, and can’t pay for top talent, maybe so. Mack’s boss has known for a couple of months that changes were coming. I’d bet that DeLoss Dodds (maybe Mack as well) always has a list of desirable replacements for every area of coaching, from offensive and defensive coordinator to special teams coaches to chief recruiters. I’d bet somebody “close” to the program was putting out feelers for replacement D-line and O-line coaches, a receivers coach, an offensive coordinator, a S&C honcho . . . long before the recent vacancies were announced.

Texas’ success and deep financial pockets assure top-line applicants for every opening. I have no doubt Mack and DeLoss can pick and chose as they desire — and that their choices will be excellent and will bring, in addition to youth and vitality, some NEW IDEAS and new ways of doing things. All plusses, IMO.

by edsp on Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If I was a Texas fan, with more resources than anyone in football

I would ask one question before any other:

Is Mack Brown the best Texas can do? Do I trust a 60yo man to come in and essentially start my program over?

If not, then the answers to the questions presented by PB are largely cosmetic.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

This program doesn't need to start over

Mack has critical recruiting connections, the rapport with the alumni and execs, and as you said, the program he played a primary role in turning into CFB’s resource-richest. He’s not starting from scratch. He knows his players, he knows the coaches who are still there, and while 2010 was a disaster, it does not signify the need for a complete reboot.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Assuming Akina follows Will,

Isn’t it an entirely new set of coaches?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Akina, Giles, Applewhite, Rucker, Chambers, and Kennedy remain

Although Rucker’s not officially a coach. There’s a certain degree of certainty that Kennedy is leaving, but just unsupported speculation on Applewhite and Akina.

Honestly, Akina and Giles are the most valuable guys IMO. I think Mack could do well enough without the others, although I would like him to bring back Tim Brewster. Some people say Brewster’s persona non grata now, though, which would be unfortunate.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I expect him to name Akina his DC at UF

Even though like Nick, Will will remain the true DC.

Who is Giles?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Oscar Giles is the DEs coach

And an amazing one at that.

It’d really be unwise of Muschamp to do what you say. A first-time HC micro-managing the defense at a major program with a guy who failed as co-DC his last time around and had to take a demotion back to DBs coach? That looks like a recipe for disaster.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Fisher has had back-top-back top 10 offenses and is the OC for FSU

Even though we have a named OC.

Given what Nick and Jimbo have done, I expect Will to follow a similar path. I hope he gives him more autonomy and that he fails.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

FSU promoted Coley, obviously

UF would be bringing in someone entirely new. Neither Muschamp nor Akina has any level of familiarity with what’s at Florida right now, and like I said, it’s not like Akina was even modestly successful as a co-DC.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

So would you expect Will to break from the pack and bring in a true DC, or do you just not expect him to be Akina?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I expect him to look for a candidate with demonstrated success as a DC

And then to work with that guy to run the defense. I do expect him to have a hand in the defense, a little like Saban, but to a somewhat lesser extent. And he shouldn’t do this with a DC who doesn’t have much to show for his past DC experience.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you aren't a big fan of Major's coaching

But I think he’s the most important from a recruiting standpoint and an in-program stability standpoint. Players and recruits love him and would run through a wall for him, much like Muschamp.

by GoHornsGo90 on Dec 14, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Major's utilization as RB coach

I would be a big fan of seeing him coach elsewhere on the offensive staff. Anywhere—even receivers or tight ends, because then he’s at least really involved in the passing game.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Esentially yes

Given that we may be breathing a sigh of relief that Major is sticking around even though there is a question of his value as a RB coach, also the “is he/isn’t he” of Kennedy and Madden. It’s starting to look like the lone bottle of ketchup in the emptying fridge.

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by run Bevo run on Dec 14, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I give him high marks for rapport with alumni and execs...

It’s a shame that neither of them take a snap on the field. Coach, and player, development has been on a steady decline.

by txzen on Dec 14, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Really would attribute Will to Saban and not Mack.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The last few years were Mack

And those were the ones that got him to a level of becoming a head coach.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to disagree

Mack may have polished him politically to be a head coach, but the coaching fire and what most people found appealing in him was long before Mack. It may have been Saban it may have been from somewhere else.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Dec 14, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that fire could just as easily just be an inherent personality thing, not acquired from a mentor

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Saban's known for being the best in the biz at "coaching coaches"

and they have similar strengths, so I think it is fair to give some credit to him. Although I would also say that Muschamp is a much better HC candidate now than when he came to Austin.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Dec 14, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree on that last part in particular

Put 2008 Muschamp in the landscape of today, and he’s looking at Indiana, Colorado, Vandy, Miami, or maybe Pittsburgh—definitely not top-tier teams. This year he’s disappointing the fans of one of the nation’s crown jewel programs to take the job at another such crown jewel job.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I definately agree with that.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Dec 14, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Be careful

60 is NOT old ( even in football years )…complacency is the real killer of any program…hope this has brought a new perscective to the progam…change CAN be good!!

by rcpcrcpc on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

In the last nine years

zero national championships have been won by coaches over 60.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

How many did Bowden win under 60?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

In an era when CEO coaches could work...

Now it is all about putting in NFL hours and grinding, grinding, grinding.

Bowden won 2 after 60. It was a different era, admittedly.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If falling ass-backwards into championships can work (Miles), then so can CEO coaches

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess Saban is SOL too.

He’s only 2 months younger than Brown.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Robots are different

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But seriously…I’m not sure “national championship now” is what anyone expects when they’re talking about the work that needs to be done to right the ship. Now, will Mack retire without one? Will he pull a Bowden and stick around beyond the time that he is seriously contributing to the program? How does he define success? It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that he could actually be looking for a successor right now. One that will bring in his own staff and handle things all at once. Things didn’t go as we expected but I’m not going to underestimate what the “old guy” is capable of. Not to take anything for granted but what he and Dodds have built isn’t as fragile as it may now seem.

by utexas87 on Dec 14, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe Mack's calm sense of demeanor

And incredible experience wil provide the guidance to get this ship back on track. He said that he is feeling great physically (I think he had knee surgery or something) and so I believe he is fired up to get this corrected.

My biggest complaint with him is his lack of urgency. This Mr. Nice Guy-I am waiting until after bowl games stuff is so 2 decades ago. We live in the electronic age with instant news and he still seems to be moving at a 1980’s pace.

I really wonder when Muschamp first talked to Florida. Another poster suggested that Urban’s decision and Florida’s instant hiring of Muschamp was secretly in the works for awhile. Makes me really wonder—cuz that was a lightning quick move by Florida.

by Wrangler86 on Dec 14, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

"Equally important is Mack Brown's timeline? What does this do to his retirement timeline? Does he still have one? Did he ever? Does he need to have one?"

These are the questions I wonder about. I am having trouble determining what actually happened. There are all sorts of rumors that Mack was thinking about stepping down soon (or maybe even told Muschamp he would). Is there any publically available evidence of a timeline or succession plan? I’m not saying there wasn’t one, but is there any evidence? I’m not sure what to believe.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 AM CST reply actions  

42 Hook 'em Horns on NFL rosters. I have faith Mack will reload...players....and coaches.

While it is not a simple assignment putting the pieces in place, who else out there would you rather have at the helm?

by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

irony? Muschamp is essentially rebuilding at FL also

…by choice. For him, it seems like being a kid in a candy store right now

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

and we also could try to have that outlook

I just hope Mack makes good choices and doesn’t settle, out of desperation, due to the relative urgency

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll worry when the recruiting war chest is empty

Mack is sitting on another war chest of recruits with two high profile stepping stone coordinator positions open. He’s known as a CEO coach and a macro manager. And now that Muschamp has gone to Florida and Chizik is doing well at Auburn, they’ll lend credence to the power of his coaching tree.

Only reason a top coordinator wouldn’t come to Texas is he knows the current mess will all be on his shoulders and the fans will blame him before blaming Mack – though that may be changing.

Regardless, I think it’s still easier to exceed fan expectations after 5-7 than it is after 10-3. These coordinator spots are very enviable positions right now.

Mack gets some high profile guys in here, momentum will switch and the positivity will return…I also think a year of maturity, returning starters that were injured, and an infusion of talent will do wonders for the program.

Bottom line, if going back to the championship means going 5-7 firth, I’d rather ride the roller coaster than take the perennial 9-3 bus.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 14, 2010 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

I don't have a problem with

9-3

so long as it’s

9-3 > 10-2 > 11-1 and so on

JP in ATL

by thejahpaul on Dec 14, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps I should clarify the last line...

If going back to the championship means going 5-7, I’d rather take the hit now than go 9-3 every year and never go back to the title again.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 14, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

that’s why 54b said “perennial,” meaning 9-3 through many years

We SHOULD expect better than 9-3, which isn’t too difficult to achieve, with our Big 12-2 and OOC schedule. In a normal year, we easily beat teams like Kansas, Baylor, FAU, and the only major challenges are OU, OSU, maybe A&M.

Problem is Mack’s mental satisfaction goal is 10-win seasons and a bowl, while Boom’s is the national championship.

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Hogwash!
Problem is Mack’s mental satisfaction goal is 10-win seasons and a bowl, while Boom’s is the national championship.

You really don’t know what you’re talking about if you say that Mack is satisfied with non-championship seasons. No head coach with that mentality would have ever won the ‘05 NC vs that USC team in that kind of comeback. And, just because some of you doubters think so, doesn’t mean he’s lost his fire now. Nothing in his personality or past validates your statement. Despite his smooth PR acumen and his constant grace & positivity after setbacks, it is obvious that he still gets incredibly steamed at poor play, poor effort, coaching mistakes, and … losses, period. Good Gracious! I’ve never seen him more steamed than he was during (A) the 6-game losing streak to the sooners or (B) in this past year of utter failure. He’s never been a quitter and he ain’t gonna quit now. Mack’s been here for 13 years and Muschamp for only 3 and, all of a sudden, everyone thinks that Muschamp’s the one who brought us here?! Geez!

by robthecob on Dec 14, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Last time I checked, it was a team game.

VY definitely gets his due … but he’d be the 1st one to tell you how talented and productive that entire team was. They were ALL talented and competitive. It was a team effort and a lot of that never-say-die attitude can be attribute to Coach Mack. For 5 years running, UT was the best never-say-die team in the country. It went much farther than Vince.

by robthecob on Dec 14, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

So what happened 2002-2004?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, we ran into a buzzsaw ...

… named ou. I hate to even think of that futility anymore! Misery!

by robthecob on Dec 14, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

My response was meant...

…to highlight that one player alone cannot win a national championship. VY led Texas to a championship, but luck and a terrific team (including the coaching staff) were both with him. That’s not to say he didn’t will his way to amazing lengths to become one of the most season-making players in history.

In short, I agree with you, not with vy til I die.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

You couldn’t have said any of that any better. ’05 was a great team and VY was the transcendant key to all of it.

by robthecob on Dec 15, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

*I meant to say that ...

… I knew you were agreeing with me when you posted that about 2002-2004.

by robthecob on Dec 15, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

No, it wasn't. That's why I asked about those years, and why VY didn't win championships both those seasons as well.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

The only reason...

…that a top coordinator wouldn’t come here is if MB doesn’t hire one. Teryl Austin? Really?

by danielt on Dec 14, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Not ultimate goal, but it’s his measuring stick, which he mentions to players/media. I thought there was a transcript/video at some point, but can’t find one right now.

ok, don’t take it too literally. I would think that for any top 10 program, including ours, the ultimate goal is obviously the NC.

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Backpedal much?

If you think Mack’s complacent, then that’s your assumption, not necessarily fact.

Ten wins should be a measuring stick. I hope it is.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

it’s not a bad measuring stick, and Mack isn’t complacent. That’s why I wrote “mental satisfaction”, not ultimate, goal

I’m just writing my opinion (never said fact) that Boom is more aggressive

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Mack isn't complacent

*except when it comes to GD and half the coaching staff

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

and GG, the roster, gameplan

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Aggression isn't always a good thing

Sometimes impetuous courage leaves a coyote halfway between two cliffs without any Acme products.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

me too

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it's just his goal progression

1) Win the first game
2) Beat OU (not sure on this one)
3) Win the conference
4) Win the title

I want to say these have been the goals since Mack’s first or second year at Texas and he repeats them to the press all the time. Mack doesn’t like having just the one goal of getting to the title because he knows it’s extremely rare, unlikely, and he can’t afford to have his players checking out (like they did this year) once that goal is no longer a possibility.

He also knows “success is journey, not a destination” all that other sunshine up your butt crack.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 14, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he's fantastic at that first goal

Behind the curve on the second. Only two on the third (the biggest stain on his legacy, and something nobody here seems to talk about…), and the fourth is a best case scenario, like it is with all major programs.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Dec 14, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

excellent post and discussion

Although I am nervous about what will happen, I consider myself fortunate to bear witness to the events that will shape the program’s future.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

I liked Boom and was excited about his potential,

But assuming Mack still has drive and desire, he has the name, history, and, I think, the ability to pull more strings and get what he wants. When Mack speaks, people listen.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

also, when money speaks, people listen, so we've got a lot going for us.

Of course, evaluation and decision making on how to use that is key.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't be ridiculous, HT.

We’re Texas. None of that other stuff matters.

I may be ready to stop now.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, you've been on a rampage since Sunday.

Not saying it isn’t entertaining, I’d just hate to see you get banned. ; )

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry

I just can’t talk about coaching changes anymore until we have some real news. I’m worn out. No offense, PB, it’s a good post.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

well said, Peter.

and ideally, hard times produce growth in character

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Right words. Wrong place.

While not necessarily my place to point this out, you should expound upon this line of thought in a meaningful front page post. YOU are the site mod. YOU set the rules of engagement. MANY take their cue from how you lead. It’s up to you that BON maintains a certain tone. Remember, this is your baby.

What kind of legacy do you desire?

by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, and I agree

Just looking for my spot(s) to get the message through. This is a good start.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Dec 14, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

(tail between legs)

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Putting myself in time-out.

Let me know when we have new coaches. Please? (Note no commas)

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

not all of us are longhorns

but we could be. Maybe start by banning beerbutt and mikebag or whatever their names are? and i’m glad you brought that up cuz as a multiple time a day visitor but a rare poster i was starting to get turned off by an ever increasing amount of negativity and e-thuggery around here. great job as always PB!

by dukeoforange on Dec 14, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Please remember that all writers are volunteers. We do not get paid, we do this because we love Texas sports. When you post a comment about an article, keep this in mind. All writers welcome varying and opposing opinions as long as they are respectful.

And respect all readers and comments.

I’m speaking for myself only, but if it isn’t fun, you can be damn sure I won’t be here any more. Not a threat, just the way it is.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking for myself,

anyone can say whatever he or she wants about anything I write, and they have. I enjoy the livelier, more emotional discussions. Not criticizing you, dimecoverage. Our preferences simply differ.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think she just means enough with personal attacks on writers

Nothing wrong with vehemently disagreeing and passionately debating. But sometimes someone really goes to town ripping apart a post and name-calling, mud slinging, etc (not accusing you, Paleface, just saying it happens).

(And Paleface, just a hint, but I think that dime really really does not like being called 10 cent, no matter how jokingly you mean it.)

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 14, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I appreciate (and I mean it) your reply.

I gathered that she didn’t like it. I asked her why a minute ago. Looking forward to a response. Honestly, Em, I believe for the most part that I am not disrespectful to other writers here, unless engaged. I know I was too abrupt about a comment I made on one of LH’s stories. I recognize that I am not the best person to judge my actions. Having said that, right or wrong, I feel that I am not infrequently personally attacked for taking positions that are controversial and designed to stimulate. Personally, it doesn’t bother me most of the time. But sometimes I make an aggressive response, meant to bite. I also known that at other times I have been very calm and deliberate in responding to the irrational, for which I have been rec’d. It’s a better approach. Just not always the one I choose. I know that your post was a parody of mine. I thought it was very amusing. I did not take offense at being quoted regarding how much I enjoy OMS’s humor or how I wanted recs for my post to get it to the top or HH saying you would make a great daughter, which was a parody of OMS’s comment that I was probably a good dad (which I don’t necessarily agree with). I joined in the fun. I complimented both you and Hopkins. I even picked on my good friend HT. I think the only thing I have done to deliberately pick on dc was to continue calling her “ten cent” after she attacked my post and I find out she may not like the nickname. I honestly believe that I am frequently attacked for taking positions of the kind that shake some peoples’ beliefs. I question my own beliefs, too. When I was in college and law school at UT, I was taught that was a good thing. If anybody would like to discuss my behavior off the record, I will be more than happy to participate. Just tell me how to initiate it.

P.S.: I apologize with taking up so much of others’ time with this, but maybe it’s good for all of us if these issues get aired out. But then again, maybe not.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And like I said

That was the only thing I was specifically applying to you, the rest was sort of a general thing. I appreciate you being a good sport about the thread, btw. That was fun.

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It was fun. You had a great idea.

Talk to you soon.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

My email address is below.

What we have here is a failure to execute.

by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Just curious...

Did iamjackburton get banned, or did he just get run off? He was pretty much the only poster I have seen that was ever blatantly disrespectful. You know, other than trolls. As far as I have seen, everyone else has just been picking on each other in good fun. I can see, though, how a reader who isn’t familiar with all the different personalities might misinterpret the good-natured teasing.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

we shall see?

when was the last time y’all saw 5-7 under Mack Brown? Y’all are treading in new territory here. You cannot say all is well and if you are patient it will work itself out, when you have never been in this situation before.

by miketag on Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

Do you have any suggestions as to what WE can do about it?

We’d love to know how we can get our will done rather than sitting around and waiting to find out what happens. If you know where the voting booths are set up where we can vote on which coaches we want to be hired, let us know. I’ll be there in a flash.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

"Tech" in your moniker is a double entendre, right?

Aside from TT U, what does it refer to?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Stick-Tech?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

No way to confirm but has to be a first

that “nadir” and “double entendre” are used in the same BON thread. I’ve got to bone up on my vocab skeels before I get left in the dust.

by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's either that or troll the Aggie site.

TS, you know I’m just kidding, right?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

I just wanted to be more specific than ‘em. I have a lot of friends from Texas Tech that are very obnoxious when they talk smack and talk a lot of smack about Texas, including my wife, who normally couldn’t give a rats ass about football, but just likes to give me shit.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I HATE people like that.

You should DIVORCE that __________. Can’t wait to meet the two of you.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

beautiful and brilliant quintessential lady

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

look forward to meeting you, too.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

definitely more experience lately

you just have to hope your powers that be make the right hires. I will say this, I knew when Fran hired Darnell that it was all over. Just b/c you are a fan, does not mean that you do not know football or a good coach. There are times when you know a coach is a bad fit for your program (or simply a bad coach overall like Darnell) and in those cases you might want to separate yourself from the program a bit to protect your sanity. Just ride it out. The Fran years made me understand what y’all went thought during the McWilliams/Mackovic years. When all else fails find a new hobby until your team gets a new coach. Fran is responsible for me getting much more interested in the stock market.

by miketag on Dec 14, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

After 5-7 Season a Full Reimagination Is Appropriate

Among the most elite programs very few have held onto their coach following a losing season, particularly if the coach is established and not at the beginning of his tenure. With this post on a Nov 30 thread I broke down the history of the 9 other teams considered dominant these past 2-3 decades. Only Tennessee (Fulmer and Majors) held onto their experienced coach following a losing season where the coach went on to meet success again. That’s it, the rest were either first year coaches, or they put together only bad records during their coaching tenure and were canned after brief stays.

With this history in mind a near total rebuild, though under new management, is the norm at elite programs, rather than nibbling around the edges. And those elite programs all went back to winning immediately following the coaching changes. There’s nothing about what is happening on the 40 Acres right now that is unusual, and frankly I’m encouraged by it. From a historical perspective 5-7 is truly abysmal territory for an elite program like Texas, even in down years they at least win half of their games as their nadir, or the guy on top is toast!

Mack’s done it before, and to restate a line I used on another recent thread, all this doom and gloom without Boom is unwarranted. We’ve got a great school, with a great tradition, great program, great recruits and a head coach who has the experience to put the pieces back together. If MB was ready to pack up and head off to TV land soon no doubt this has changed for him and I seriously doubt he’s just going to go through the motions with the only thing driving him being his legacy; if he’s subjecting himself to the brain damage and torture of a skeptical Longhorn fan base he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder and carry that edge with him in his efforts at rebuilding for 2011 and beyond.

And I’m no homer, ask Peter or others who have accused me of having a “schtick” when I’ve been critical of Longhorn sports in the past. I recognize this complete makeover as necessary and critical to UT reclaiming the heights we’ve held for the past 13 years, especially in light of the history of other elite programs my link above displays. All things considered I’d rather have our coach, MB, than be in UF’s shoes with our old DC running the entire show – based on my belief that MB himself is rededicated to doing all it takes with the same energy and passion he had before to bring us back. There’s nothing to make me think otherwise and he gets the benefit of the doubt after that rather exceptional 2004-2009 run we had.

Regardless of if you agree or disagree, the results of the 2011 season will be in front of us sooner than you think. His hires in the next few weeks will tell us quite a bit about how MB is fully reimagining the future of the program under his leadership.

Hook ’em Horns, Til Gabriel Blows His Horn }-

by RMHorn on Dec 14, 2010 1:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Corr - USC Under Smith Also

Had a losing season mid-tenure as a Trojan

by RMHorn on Dec 14, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Chipper Tweetin'

ChipBrownOB

#Texas will announce Teryl Austin as its new defensive coordinator, www.Orangebloods.com has learned. #longhorns #hookem #ut

19 minutes ago via TweetDeck

by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe he comes with a recommendation...

From Urban Meyer. Not the sexiest pick and certainly not a safe one for Mack or the program. If true? Let the spin begin…

by utexas87 on Dec 14, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Brady Ackerman, sideline reporter for the Florida Gators...

says Austin is a “great hire” and “players like him.”

ATX

by Atownatx on Dec 14, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

*clap*clap*clap*

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to throw up

listening to all of the talking heads walking the party line this week, telling us all what a great hire this is.

Drinking game for how many times we hear the exact response “I think its a great hire.”

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

cheers

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly!

I’m not happy with this hire (assuming the information is accurate,) and will never be. It may pan out or not, but regardless it’s unnecessarily risky!

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Dec 14, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

"I did it my way." - M. Brown

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

So I guess Mack is going to need to put this official press conference

out there ASAP, because at the moment the media spin on this is not positive at all….he needs to (ahem, once again) change the current news cycle of negativity.

So c’mon Mack…..let’s get this “spin” going.

by silky51 on Dec 14, 2010 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

He can always fall back on Austin's stats

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Dec 15, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Keep hearing that Austin has very little

experience on the recruiting front, and he didn’t even have a say in florida’s defensive recruiting class because he came in late…….uh, not very re-assuring.

and he’s not a fiery guy, more of a calm teacher……so what means he is more of the “clap, clap, clap” kind of guy………bleh.

the only positive I’m hearing is that he has the potential to get the most out of the talent provided to him in terms of coaching a player up.

by silky51 on Dec 14, 2010 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

I bet he's the same size as Boom

We don’t have to order new shirts and travel gear that way. That has to be the reason.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I laughed again

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

I've held my tongue these past days

but I had been pretty dismissive toward all of the “I trust Mack to make the right decision” comments. On what premise is that attitude based?

I simply don’t trust Mack to make staff decisions. He repeatedly refused to get rid of Greg Davis. Ditto with McWorter. He’s screwed the pooch entirely regarding the Muschamp situation (IMO). Now Teryl Austin? Really?

It is possible both to love and distrust Mack simultaneously, which is more or less how I feel about the guy. When it comes to staff, he’s shown on more than one occasion that he really is the kind of person who has to be forced to do what’s best for the program.

Is anyone really all that surprised by this?

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:01 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I'm not

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Gets rid of Davis, brings in Austin

Its as if Mack just has to have a mediocre coordinator by his side.

Here we had a real chance to see what Mack could do with two great coordinators for the first time in his career…but he chooses this instead. The guy has a complex of some sort.

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

control freak perhaps

I wish I could say things as eloquently as you do.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

They say that CEOs prefer to have "yes" men by their sides

and don’t deal with with those who are vocal and intelligent

We’ve lost Muschamp and very likely Applewhite

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

meant to write possibly
(but feeling hopeless right now)

I heard he’s been on the fence the past few days. Don’t blame him. Probably depends on whether Muschamp can get Holgorsen, and whether Mack is willing to give AW co-OC

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Holgorsen went to WV I think.

OC, HC in 2012?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait

The Golden boy is going to be a HillBilly? No way. No freakin way. Biting my tongue. I’m not going to say it. I’m not. I’m not.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish you would.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 15, 2010 5:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to behave.

Sort of. Christmas is coming ya know. Got to stay out of trouble til at least after Christmas.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 15, 2010 6:02 AM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I read about your profession. My wife (with RA) has been looking for someone like you in Houston without success. You should see the med. bottles in her drawer. If I remember correctly, you’re in Houston. How could we get in touch with you? Maybe we could both send emails to one of the contributors asking him or her to put us in touch with each other. Funny how the universe works sometimes. Maybe you are why I started reading this site.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 15, 2010 6:37 AM CST up reply actions  

My email is posted on my profile

Feel free to use it.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 15, 2010 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

We've also likely lost a fair amount of recruits

I’m thinking many of the guys who were cautious but still committed were thinking Shannon. I doubt any of them will be impressed with Austin.

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Questions for Schrute

To deflect the first anticipated come-back: yes, you don’t directly say that Mack thinks Austin is a yes man, but the implication of your comment is quite clear.

Getting that out of the way:

(1) What evidence is there that Austin will be a “yes man”?

(2) What evidence is there that Brown prefers to deal with Austin because he’s not intelligent?

Don't click here. I might be promoting myself with frequently-changing photos from my portfolio. Or I might be linking to my favorite photos of Mark Mangino. You never know.

by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

BH's post was what said Austin was mediocre

my reply was simply in accordance with his hypothesis. I was talking about a general observation in society.

I don’t know if this guy is a yes man, excellent, etc. Time will tell. All we know right now is what he’s done so far

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

by “yes” men, I was actually implying GD (thought that was obvious)

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

rereading it, I realize the GD implication wasn’t obvious… I expected the reader to read my mind. Oops and sorry to Mr. Austin (I hope you’re not reading this thread)

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I suspect you may be right

Mack seems so mellow, like such a nice guy, that it is easy to assume he allows his coaches alot of latitude. I strongly suspect he feels he must be in charge and that everyone must know he is in charge and for him to be given the credit. I also suspect he wasn’t entirely comfortable with Muschamp’s aggressive personality and his incredible popularity that tended to over-shadow Mack’s. The reason I suspect he held onto GD all these years was not so much out of freidnship but that Davis was the bland “yes man” who followed orders, was given all the blame, but little of the credit. I also think it is revealing that when during the season the rumor arose that a consultant was evaluating the program, Mack quickly squashed that rumor (although he seldom responds to rumors) and insisted that he was the only consultant.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Dec 15, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

inferiority complex?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Gets RID OF DAVIS. YAY!

Boom quits. DOOM and DESPAIR. Brings in Austin? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? By Friday I will be a loon. This man is making me crazy.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a little early to call Austin a mediocre coordinator.

He’s only done it for one year and finished in the top ten in defense.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The leader of the number 9 defense?

Perhaps we could have done better. I don’t know.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

What makes one certain that he was the leader?

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Mack just opened the door for the fans to properly vent

their frustration over this abysmal year now that the fans are now legitimately concerned about the future of this program under Mack….that’s what a questionable hire at this critical moment in time creates.

by silky51 on Dec 14, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You, they, me, us, we, I, them, all

don’t have to like it. We just don’t have a say in the matter. The bi-monthly direct deposit receipt still reads ‘Mack Brown’. As long as that is the case, then he is the face of decisions. I just don’t think he is the only person making the decision.

by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

nope

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

How did Mack screw up the Muschamp situation?

Mack is the head coach. He hasn’t been fired, no one has asked him to step down. Muschamp wanted to be HC at a top program, Mack wasn’t about to leave yet. That’s his right, its his job. Thus Muschamp leaves for a top 2 or 3 job. What could Mack have possibly done that would have motivated Muschamp to turn down nearly $3M and the head coaching job at Florida? You could argue that the HCIW was a dumb move, but who is to say Muschamp would have stuck around this long without the HCIW tag.

Mack did make great decisions when hiring Akina in in 2001 and Robinson, Chizik, and Muschamp. We’re glad he brought Applewhite back into the fold.

I don’t believe this is a “big splash” hire and god knows I really like Randy Shannon. Still, I am tired of the revolving doors on our staff and I would like some continuity. This has been my biggest concern about the past few years. If the product is solid (UF did have the #9 defense in the country this year, mind you), and lasts, then I’ll support it.

The devil’s advocate in me says – what if Shannon would have sprung for the next HC position he was offered?

by BMG on Dec 14, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's how

If he hired Muschamp knowing well that he would not turn over the head coaching job soon enough to keep him, then it amounts to a short-term fix at DE when we needed someone would would stay. If he made a promise he knew he would not keep, he screwed up the Muschamp deal and many to follow.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Dec 14, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree completely.

He allowed Muschampt to be named the HCIW to keep a great DC here longer than we otherwise would (see Chizik). We can’t hire great DCs or OCs and expect them to stay when offered HC jobs. If you want a coordinator to stay, you get Greg Davis. Otherwise they will all get HC jobs at some point.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Mack had a top 10 team when he hired Muschamp

First, he didn’t promote Muschamp to HCIW until the end of Muschamp’s first season. Mack knew, just as we did, that Muschamp was a hot coaching commodity.

Mack hired Muschamp to “win now”. He kept him as long as he could. It was a good hire and we got what we wanted (an MNC appearance). We always knew there was a chance that Muschamp would be plucked away from us and you can’t blame Mack for that.

by BMG on Dec 14, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

He could have retired as promised and kept Muschamp here

for the future of Texas football, instead of wanting to redeem his legacy after this 5-7 season. His legacy will always be held in high regard by most fans.

Muschamp isn’t stupid enough to accept a HCIW title without a timeline (albeit wasn’t in writing…. hence there is no legal case here)

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I have seen nothing that leads me to believe Mack promised to retire.

Muschampt agreed to it because it game with $900k and he could always leave if he wanted to.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

HCIW title was for us to prevent poaching by other programs

and get an NCAA waiver to allow Muschamp to perform recruiting activities at a level similar to a HC

I don’t think there is any limit to how much one is allowed to pay a DC, is there?

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

There is not.

We actually wanted him to recruit like a DC, not a HC. The NCAA made a rule saying he couldn’t.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Typing two fast.

I guess I am used to typing a “t” after amp.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

curious

In what word does a “t” come after “amp?”

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure...

I was just trying to come up with an excuse. I can’t explain it.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha.

This is your chance to coin a word and secure your immortality. Do it.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It'll be in the same dictionary as "Bomar'd"

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

"ampt"

Like, “Man, I’m really ampt.” jk.

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by Paleface Horn on Dec 15, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

I know we all think Texas football is this amorphic tradition that must be carried on and carefully cared for…but seriously man, NEWSFLASH. College football is a business, and Mack Brown is a big time coach at a big time program making big time money. He, and every other coach out there, could give 2 shits about “Texas Football” the way you and I do. Its a job to him, and it pays damn good money. You try walking away from that for the “good” of the program.

by BMG on Dec 14, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I see your point

and it is fair. Mack has every right to look out for his own interests.

But it then also must be conceded that the social “check” on such behavior (for whatever that is worth) is that men who act is such a self-centered manner run the risk of incurring resentment and poor reputations, because we, as a community, have every right to look out for our interests as well.

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

"You either die a hero...

or live long enough to become the villain."

Sounds a lot like Mack Brown right now.

As long as a coach’s self interests are in-line with a program, everyone is happy. When those two things get out of whack, like w/ Bowden, then the program suffers as well as the coach’s reputation. I don’t see Mack sticking around after multiple bad years, and I’m prepared to grant him a “pass” for one year because he has earned it.

by BMG on Dec 14, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said.

I think you’ve summed up a lot of Longhorn fans here. At least, the ones that aren’t in panic mode right now.

by robthecob on Dec 14, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Where are the exits?!?!?!?! Where are the exits?!?!?!?!

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Mack's "promise" = Your uneducated guess

It has never been published that Mack “promised” to step down at a certain time or even any time soon. It has also never been officially stated from him that he wanted to “redeem his legacy” after a 5-7 season. This is unbelievable how everyone keeps hanging onto this theory as fact.

For all any of us knows, Muschamp decided to go to Florida regardless of anything Mack could offer – even to the point of stepping down. Will went to UF for several reasons (his ties to Gainesville, the SEC, and family) and Mack is staying longer than he wanted to because he couldn’t get Will to stay. That theory is every bit as factual & possible as any other silly notion that we can twist to blame Coach Mack for all that ails us right now.

by robthecob on Dec 14, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It's based on evidence, not uneducated

Assuming the opposite, that he didn’t verbally give a timeline, is a “guess,” just as well.

We will never know for sure, unless Mack himself admits it publicly (which he probably never will, and I don’t expect him to). He supposedly told Muschamp 2011 and later told staff/players that he couldn’t go out on a 5-7 season. That’s from several sources, not just me.

Let’s not rehash this argument again here… like BrooklynHorn said, there’s a whole post about it on the front page.

by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Evidence based on guessing ... is not evidence.

I don’t want to rehash it either. I’m just sick of this silly inane theory that Mack “promised” Muschamp a certain date to take over and then he reneged based on the silly notion of needing to save his legacy from ending at 5-7. The “several sources” this theory came from were not based in anything accurate. As long as this keeps being passed off as fact, I’ll keep defending accuracy in reporting … and defending Coach Mack. Read Muschamp’s “farewell” statements. He veiled nothing to this effect and especially cited his thanks to Mack. Now, THAT’s the only accurate report we have.

by robthecob on Dec 14, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

BMG, there is an entire front page thread devoted to this topic

in which both sides of this argument have been exhaustively hashed, which is why I parenthetically added IMO after that one point in particular.

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

IMHO, I thought it was ok to comment.

by BMG on Dec 14, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course its ok

my remark was more regarding my lack of inclination to respond, and not about your comment.

by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Revolving doors will continue...

Unless Mack decides he is here for the long haul, we will be looking for a HC in another year or so. And unless you hire coordinators no one else wants or who have no ambition of bigger and better things, other schools will continue to poach any good coaches we have.

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by OBdoc on Dec 15, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome!

Holgorsen at WV
Muschamp at FU
Malzahn staying at Auburn
Major at ?
? at UT
I may rededicate myself to golf

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

At this point,

I don’t expect Mack to make any headline hire, now or ever.

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

I shoulda said "now or in the future."

If he would do it before, why not now? I can think of a couple of of reasons, but what do you think is the real reason he’s going the ho-hum route now?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Best from what perspective?

Best for the job from the University’s perspective, or best for the job from Mack’s perspective?

"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons

by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The University's perspective.

Although I’m guessing he thinks they are on in the same, as I expect most HCs would.

by Texas Wahoo on Dec 14, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone who Texas hires is going to make headlines just because thy are being hired by Texas.

They could hire me as DC and it would make headlines. It would read something like this: “Mack Brown puts final nail in sanity coffin by hiring unknown, football-ignorant businessman with absolutely no coaching experience or know-how whatsoever.” It’d be front page.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

you funny, HT

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by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks, PH

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

So...

Is anyone else curious how/why Florida makes a big deal out of the fact that no one else was interviewed and there is no commentary on the lack of transparency/opportunity for other candidates…presumably including qualified black candidates…to be considered? When a year ago at this time Teryl Austin’s predecessor, Charlie Strong, was news (in part) for this reason?

Just sayin’…

by utexas87 on Dec 14, 2010 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

"We got our guy"

That’s what Florida wants to be able to say. In reality they probably sent “feelers” to Stoops and others. No program wants egg on their face the way Tennessee, Michigan, and Notre Dame have had in the past few years when “top choices” turned them down.

by BMG on Dec 14, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

This from Swamp247's Franz Beard on defensive coordinator Teryl Austin...

“Came to Florida with a big time reputation for coaching defensive backs but this was first time as coordinator. Got the Florida job because of his conection with Billy Davis, the Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator who was Urban’s best man at his wedding to Shelley.

Florida intercepted 17 passes this season, which is tied for 11th nationally. Florida led the country for most of the year.

Coached Ahmad Black at UF, who made second team All-American. Corner Janoris Jenkins, who made first team All-SEC is expected to be a first round draft pick.

Florida defense is ranked ninth nationally in total defense, which isn’t a bad slip considering the Gators were fourth last year and this year Austin had to build a defense without linebackers Brandon Spikes (All-American), Ryan Stamper (All-SEC) and Dustin Doe (three-year starter), defensive ends Carlos Dunlap (All-American) and Jermaine Cunningham (All-SEC), who combined for 17 sacks, and corner Joe Haden (All-American) and safety Major Wright (All-SEC). Dunlap, Haden and Wright were juniors so Florida’s defense would have been substantially better.

Austin prefers about a 50-50 mix in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes. Prefers to get the pressure out of the front four and blitz only for surprise and effect, but this year had to rely more on the blitz than he intended since the Gators couldn’t get pressure from the front four.

Likes big defensive ends, something Florida didn’t have this year. Wants linebackers who can run laterally. More of an attack guy than a read and react.

In the secondary, likes playing one-high with the strong safety in the box to help take away the run. Plays press corners most of the time. Goes zone on third and long.

His schemes are very much NFL which requires plenty of film study by the players.

Soft spoken. Doesn’t raise his voice much. Let’s his assistant coaches do the yelling. Players say he’s easy to play for and they have a lot of respect for him. Very much known as a players’ coach. "

by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

Well I feel all better about things now.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

dammit, woman. you did it again.

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by Paleface Horn on Dec 14, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

A burnt orange sunset to end a wicked day?

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oooooooh, pretty

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

I took that one out at the deer lease this past weekend.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

unrelated.

Since I work in the medical field and my wife is a doctor, I’m very curious what type of doctor you are. You once mentioned referring someone to surgery, so I’m guessing internist, family, or something like that. If want to keep that confidential, I totally understand, but I’ve been wondering about that ever since.

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

and don't say witch.

I’d rather you say, “I’d rather not say” than “witch doctor.” :)

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

you made me laugh

The explanation is long and convoluted and many will look at me funny but I’m accustomed to that by now. Homeopathic/alternative medicine. The best of Eastern/Western. If something can be treated nonsurgically or without conventional pharmaceuticals that is always the first option. Some things simply cannot be effectively treated without Western medical intervention. I incorporate both and refer out when the need is there. So no, not really a witch doctor, just an easier answer than the one you just got.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, thanks for taking the time to give me the long, true, answer

I am a traditionalist, for the most part, when it comes to medical science. However, I recognize that Eastern medicine has remedies and treatments that have been around for a long, long time and probably would have been filtered out by time if there wasn’t something to them. I’m open minded. I think what you do, by combining the best that Eastern/Western medicine have to offer, is great.

What I’m skeptical of is French medicine. Here’s an article to show you why: http://www.maitrise-orthop.com/viewPage_us.do?id=982

Note the second paragraph in the “Results>Complications” section. Hilarious.

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The French have many wonderful things.

Medicine is probably not high on that list. Wine? Food? Language? Romance? Art? Fashion? Heck yeah. Wouldn’t necessarily want to get sick while visiting.

You see why I answer “WitchDoctor”?

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

They're supposed to have one of the best medical systems in the world

I had to have emergency surgery when I was studying abroad there and I got fantastic medical care.

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 14, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

did you look at the article?

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I did

I will say that there are plenty of crackpot unorthodox ideas in the US as well. But really, in this case, and after the season we’ve had, treating pain with wine therapy seems like an excellent idea. I subscribe to this method quite frequently.

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 15, 2010 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Em,

if I didn’t know any better, I’d say you think it’s unfair of me to judge a country’s entire medical system based on one crazy article.

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by HookTech on Dec 15, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would I think that? :-)

That article was so painfully French I had to laugh. Nice work.

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 15, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure France has a dandy of a medical system.

Of course, being in the medcial field myself, I’m not a big fan of socialized health care. But then again, I’m not a big fan of managed care, either. There’s no pleasing me.

Really, all there was to this was that I randomly stumbled across that article and thought it was hilarious. I read it and thought, “Those crazy ass Frenchies. What will they do next?”

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by HookTech on Dec 15, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

You studied there?

I’m envious. I love the French “culture” and still speak a smattering of the language-used to be fluent. Best friend graduated from American University in Paris and lived there for 20 years. She is probably the reason for my jaded view on the medicine. She always came home to the Mayo for health care. I never asked why. I just assumed she has a valid reason. Good to hear a counterpoint.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 15, 2010 5:38 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

I was at a private hospital. My friend had to have an appendectomy (and hers was much more emergent than mine, since mine I just had to have within a few days) and the ambulance took her to a public hospital, which apparently was not a great experience for her. I was mainly referring to this ranking.

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 15, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

totally forgot to mention

yeah, I had to learn a language and do a semester in the country whose language I learned as part of my UT degree reqs. I was in a midsized city in NW France, about 2 hours from Paris by train. I love French culture as well – it was awesome being in a non-tourist city and living with a host family because I really got to experience it and learn the language fluently. I also had a close friend at AUP, too!

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 15, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

That article

Sweet Fancy Moses. I cannot wait to pass that one on. Thanks for sharing. Still laughing.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Dec 14, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

My pleasure, indeed.

I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!

by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh wow.

I hadn’t noticed “soul-destroying and back-breaking jobs” in the Materials and Methods section. Hahaha. Are the French drunk 24/7 on their good wine?

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

They should be

You can get a good bottle of wine for around $2 there. Not that I was ever drunk on wine in France. No, sir.

If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.

by LonghornEm on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh God, the more I look at it the better it gets.

Did you see the References section?

“1. Abel L. The sure proof. Wine is sure proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. J Ark Med Soc 1996;93:316-318.”

Maybe this was actually intended to be a joke.

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by HookTech on Dec 14, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

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