Teryl Austin to Texas: Mack Brown Reportedly Has His New DC
[Update]: The Dallas Morning New is now citing a source saying that no job offer has been made to Austin and that a hire is not imminent. According to the same source, Austin did not meet with Brown and is not scheduled to meet with Brown tomorrow. Do with that what you will. --GoBR--
So much for Randy Shannon. A day after the university posted a list of job qualifications that eliminated every candidate except for Florida DC Teryl Austin and North Carolina DC Everett Withers, Chip Brown of Orangebloods is reporting that Austin will be the next Texas defensive coordinator. According to the Statesman, 247Sports is also reporting that Austin is Mack's guy.
At 45, Austin has experience in both the NFL and college over a nearly 20-year coaching career. After spending seven seasons in the NFL, Austin returned to college last season to coach the Gators' defense when Urban Meyer's first choice to replace Charlie Strong bolted for the NFL after only a month in Gainesville. The 2010 season represented Austin's only experience as a defensive coordinator after coaching defensive backs for the entirety of his career. Like Will Muschamp's group, the Gator defense was negatively impacted by the poor play of the offense, finishing ninth in total defense, but 31st in scoring defense.
Unlike Shannon, there isn't much known about Austin as a recruiter, but he will probably earn a reputation good or bad in the near future because his first order of business is going to be making sure that all the commitments on the defensive side of the ball stay committed. Fortunately for Austin, it appears that SA Sam Houston DT Quincy Russell is the only commit currently wavering, at least publicly.
Austin will also have to decide how he's going to fill out his defensive staff. Obviously, Duane Akina is currently in place as the defensive back coach, but Texas needs a defensive tackles coach and a linebackers coach. Since Muschamp coached the linebackers, there's really only one open position on the staff to fill the two roles unless Austin decides to coach linebackers or Oscar Giles becomes the defensive line coach instead of working solely with the defensive ends.
It's not the "big splash" hire that a lot of Longhorn fans wanted and Scipio Tex is accurate in calling Austin a "blank slate" as a defensive coordinator and recruiter. In the short term, it probably doesn't decrease the pressure on Mack Brown. In fact, it may increase the pressure to hire names for the offensive coaching staff that Texas fans can feel excited about. However, the value of Austin's hire won't truly be known until the Longhorns take the field in the fall of 2011 and Mack Brown has to be desperately hoping that he is getting this right.
There has not yet been an official announcement from the athletics department.
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What a nightmare
Makes no sense at all. Couldn’t be more underwhelmed and I demand to know what happened with Shannon. He was absolutely perfect for the role, and it looks like we settled for no reason at all.
We really do not know how it went down...
I am not going to speculate with unknown rumor spreading as to why Shannon is not here and Austin is. Mack has earned the benefit of the doubt and I, for one, am giving it to him for 2011.
Boise State choked while Auburn enjoyed a comeback for the ages. I'll have another heaping helping of hypocrisy, please.
by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Please, present the facts you know of as to the why and how this happened...
Boise State choked while Auburn enjoyed a comeback for the ages. I'll have another heaping helping of hypocrisy, please.
by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
No specific facts on the Shannon non-hire…but if you really believe that Mack has earned the benefit of the doubt after this season (and I don’t mean just the 5-7 record, I mean everything from the internal discord among players and staff to not having a list of OC replacements lined up for a least a month) then I guess mulligans flow freely where you’re from.
by UTLawGrad on Dec 14, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Then by all means...
Let’s demand Mack step down too. Just replace them all. That will bode well for the recruiting class. We’re Texas. I suspect the internal discord was between Muschamp and Brown due to the HCIW status/timetable/lackthereof. I’m beginning to think that Boom preferred the pro-set over Mack and got his way and when things went south, a lot of finger pointing began. All of this because his vaunted defense could not stop Ingram and Richardson in the MNC. Dareus’ hit did more to this program than any of us realize.
Boise State choked while Auburn enjoyed a comeback for the ages. I'll have another heaping helping of hypocrisy, please.
by Mulliganville on Dec 15, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I am also underwhelmed by this hire right now. I wanted Shannon.
Maybe Brown’s relationship with Meyer had something to do with it? Maybe Meyer had faith in this guy and felt he was a great up and coming DC?
I just want him out on recruiting trail yesterday.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
He wasn't a DC until Meyer hired him
And even then, he was just a co-DC, along with Chuck Heater.
Also notable is that McCarney was the main Florida holdover from the defensive staff. I don’t know who called the plays, but Austin has never been a full coordinator, let alone a good full coordinator.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking gag..
..points to tongue
by vy til i die on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
WTF!
What happened to Randy Shanon?? This is crapt. We were supposed to turn the news cycle from good to bad with this hire. Now its basically no change.
I have always been a huge fan, but now Andre Johnson is my favorite non-Longhorn player in the NFL. Although I don't condone viloence.......a good ol' fashioned ass whippin is sometimes deserved and required.
i think GOBR is bring fair...
…and most people are being a little unfair to this guy.
We sort of have not much clue about this guy. Maybe he is great, maybe he is not. You cant say that just because he is not one of the biggest name guys around, he is bad.
most of us wanted a big name, we are not getting one i guess. now we have to wait and see how this guy is with recruiting and the Xs and Os…
I think someone said it best, WE WILL SEE (how all this plays out when he is at his job)…
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 14, 2010 3:58 PM CST reply actions
Thats the point, we have no clue about him..
guess who else has no clue about him??? The wavering recruits!
I have always been a huge fan, but now Andre Johnson is my favorite non-Longhorn player in the NFL. Although I don't condone viloence.......a good ol' fashioned ass whippin is sometimes deserved and required.
by PineypointG on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you think we should pick a guy purely to keep a couple of kids... i think looking for a guy who fits the program and fits the mold is more important that someone who can placate a few kids right now...im sorry, most tell this recruit story too much...
…and one of the blessings of being texas is what MB said, and i paraphrase, Im coming to texas because of texas, not because of a coach…
most kids will stay in because they love the university and they love the school and they know that this school will give them an incredible mix of education, athletics, awesome time that no one else can..
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
How exactly did Shannon not fit the mold? He’s younger than Austin, has a much stronger resume, is a much bigger splash for recruits, and has a personal story that not only would endear him to our players and make him into a HUGE positive role model, it also fits perfectly with Mack’s view of the program.
big splash doesnt equate a better job...
…and im not saying shannon DIDNT fit the mold (you see what i did there, a double negative :), im just saying that just because austin is being hired, people think thats worse than shannon…no one has a clue, we will see when the guy gets on campus and in standing on the sideline on gameday
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
For the record
I’m totally reserving judgment on Austin and am desperately hoping that he turns out to be a fantastic defensive coordinator. And you’re right, I responded based on the logical fallacy that your argument presupposed that Shannon didn’t fit the mold, which it didn’t; I apologize.
I’m simply saying that this is a point in the program where Mack should be making hires based on proven talent, not potential. The fact that we have no idea whether he’s going to be good or not and that we have to reserve judgment is where the problem, for me, lies.
by bbatsell on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your logic ...
applies if MB would have hired a random highschool defensive backs coach. I recognize that TA has years of college and pro experience, but saying that only time will tell if he is a good hire is not saying much at all. You could say that about anyone. Fact is, this decision by MB has immediate consequences in recruiting, morale, and momentum. I hope that TA will prove to be a great dc, but I wish MB had chosen someone who would bring more immediate upside to recruiting, morale, and build momentum. Someone like Randy Shannon.
by Cuernos on Dec 14, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If the guy has a more proven track record and a greater cache then yes.
No one can predict the future success of either DA or RS. What we do know is that the Randy Shannon hire would bring a much needed spark to the program, recruits, and the fanbase. A kid wanting to play for UT is great. But I want kids that are great players. I think that sentiment is over blown. What if a kid wants to play for the coach that will get the most out of his abilities. Or if a kids wants to go where the coach put ts the most guys in the NFL? I dont think anything is wrong with that. Of course, I would hope that anyone associated with UT has succes. But why go with potential when proven is availible?
I have always been a huge fan, but now Andre Johnson is my favorite non-Longhorn player in the NFL. Although I don't condone viloence.......a good ol' fashioned ass whippin is sometimes deserved and required.
by PineypointG on Dec 14, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Careful using MB
Some people may read that as Mack Brown, and not Malcom
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Exactly
We are one of the few programs that needn’t ever take such risks. We should be able to get a proven commodity. Why are we not exploiting an advantage we’ve been building for generations?
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to reserve judgment
Unlike many on BON, I do not profess to be an expert on Teryl Austin, so I am in no position to term this a mediocre hire until I actually see how his defenses perform on the field for us.
I am saddened to learn, as evidenced by the previous thread, that so many BON members watched so much Florida football last season that they became experts on Austin and are able to term this a mediocre hire, at best.
Being the eternal optimist, I will cling to my belief that many are confusing “unknown” with “mediocre.”
Only time will tell.
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
exactly, thank you that some of us still remain rational and optimistic, and are not ..
…just busting a nut because things didnt work out how we wanted..
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
I just want to make clear that I’m not claiming the Official Teryl Austin BON Defender. I just don’t know enough to make a judgment one way or the other. Splashy hires sometimes fail miserably; and unknown commodities sometimes prove their weight in gold immediately. And of course the opposite might be true. We just don’t know.
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't that the same question? :)
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Is it possible that you did?
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know which I like more
This “we’re Texas” jest or the whataburger picture, close call.
by PoolsideHorns on Dec 15, 2010 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
I definitely like the We're-Texas jest better.
But then again the opposite may be true. I just don’t know. I’ll have to wait and see.
I’m not making fun of anybody, just to make sure we’re clear on that. Just making fun.
"I'm not playing favorites. All my favorites have graduated." - A. Lemons
by Paleface Horn on Dec 15, 2010 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
He ran for mayor in a major city. He didn’t win so he was forced to write for BON.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
The fruits of losing
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Leslie runs for mayor of Austin frequently and always loses.
Can we get him to write for BON? I bet his posts would be interesting, especially his suggestions for uniform changes. “I think those football pants are too restrictive. They should wear burnt orange g-strings.”
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
false
he was hospitalized but i believe he’s better
by vy til i die on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
he rode right by me on the drag thursday
looked pretty nude and healthy to me
by PoolsideHorns on Dec 15, 2010 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
You think that he looked pretty, nude?
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by Paleface Horn on Dec 15, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Too bad HH some are born great some have greatness thrust upon them
Defending Teryl Austin is now officially your job :P
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Oh dear
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
In that case, i want to make clear that I think our incoming OC is mediocre as hell. Fire him!
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry I'll support you in all your endeavors
until I capriciously change my mind. Then I’ll badmouth you and pretend you have no right to exist for simply offering a sane view of things.
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I know you can't not be Hopkins Horn
but can you at least concede this isn’t a big splash, and then further concede we could have made a big splash, and then finally concede that we for some reason chose not to make a big splash.
All of that can be truly stated without disparaging Teryl Austin.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
See above
I concede it’s not a “big splash,” but I don’t believe there’s much of a link between “big splash” and “ultimate success”.
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Let's remeber that he was good enough for Urban Meyer too
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Quoting Scip at BC:
Much is being made of the fact that Urban Meyer hired him, an endorsement by arguably the shrewdest guy in college football, but it ignores the timing and context of the event. Meyer’s staff was gutted by coaching hires to other programs, Urban had his brief I’m-Retired-No-I’m-Not flirtation, and Meyer’s new hire defensive coordinator at the time – George Edwards – left the Florida job after only month for a NFL gig in Buffalo.
Urban Meyer found himself scrambling for a defensive coordinator in February with uncertainties clouding his own willingness to continue long-term.
http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/12/14/the-new-defensive-coordinator-is-teryl-austin/
scip, like the best of us...
…has been wrong before and might be wrong now.
i have no clue under what circumstances meyer got him, but with meyer’s allore, and florida’s standing, i think he could quite possibly gotten a lot of people to walk away in an instant from their current assignments to be at florida…
i have no clue, but i think this timing argument is not necessarily a valid one…
id be shocked if someone told me meyer went with someone he wasnt confident in…
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
i have no clue under what circumstances meyer got him
Uh… these are factual things. We know that he had to hire a defensive coordinator in February after losing almost his entire staff, when everyone at the top already had a contract two months prior. That doesn’t say anything about Teryl Austin, but it does pretty cleanly gut the argument that, “Urban had his pick of the litter and he picked Austin, so he’s automatically good.”
Also, deference to Urban's choice would seem to conflict with the current opinions of Addazio
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
agree that could be one clue
that Urban may be a better schemer/head coach than he is an evaluator of coaches
by SchruteFarm on Dec 15, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
also, Austin had a personal line to Urban
per Franz Beard (Florida’s version of Chip Brown):
Got the Florida job because of his connection with Billy Davis, the Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator who was Urban’s best man at his wedding to Shelley.
But if Austin was so great for the Cardinals, why would their DC suggest that Urban hire him away? because best friends means more than your team/job?
by SchruteFarm on Dec 14, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
and it seems a lot of people are confusing the two...
…urban myer, with all the hard work he does (that even led to health problems) choose this guy too you know… i mean we have no clue how he is, so why all the negativity people..
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
He chose to make him cornerbacks coach and co-DC at a moment's notice
It was an emergency. They reached, and ended up with Austin.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Hopkins
With so many known (read:proven) coaches out there, why should the burden of proof be on those of us who are opposed to a risky hire? Can you tell us why he is a good hire? Probably not.
The point isn’t whether or not he is a good hire, it is that he is an unknown and risky hire when we are one of the few programs that never needs to make risky hires. So why do it? Why build a top 3 program over the course of several generations only to shun the built-in advantages of doing so?
You can’t possibly think this was the best choice for the program (not Austin specifically, but going with a risky hire in general). You don’t always have to be optimistic and approving. Come on Hopkins, get mad! Stand up for yourself as a fan!
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
So the standard for “standing up for yourself as a fan” is getting worked up in hysterics over on a message board over the supposed mediocrity of a defensive coordinator, not even officially hired yet, making a lateral move from one of the top programs in the country?
I’ll pass.
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 6:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So you do always have to be approving :-)
You really don’t question this move at all? I’m just sayin try Hopkins! Try! Try! Come join us on the darkside, where we see good things as good and bad things as bad, not both good and bad things as good.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
PANIC, PANIC, PANIC! I'm a little embarrassed for a lot of you guys. Get a grip!
So the goal here is that we make a BIG SPLASH! in coaching hires, instead of what the head coach thinks are the best staff hires towards winning?! Geez! As Hopkins said, let’s reserve judgment on this guy until he starts earning his bones. I thought Shannon would have been a great hire but, for some reason or another, it didn’t work out. I don’t think Mack was purposely trying to hire a lesser able guy. That’s ludicrous.
If anything, Austin might still be on-fire to move his way up to Head Coach somewhere and succeeding in a support role is the best way to do that. In other words, he’s hungry. The thing I liked about Shannon is that he was 1 – experienced in the highest levels of the NFL & NCAA and 2 – African-American. Austin works out great on BOTH of those fronts, which is good for recruiting. He’s also got PLENTY of experience being a coach. Let’s jump on board. To me, this is a BIG SPLASH! and I’m excited about the staff changes being done after a 5-7 year.
I think a lot of people got their hopes up about Shannon
Myself included, and don’t know what to think now. I only feel let down in the sense that I was really excited about him, but I’m reserving judgment. For now.
If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.
That's the main point
A lot of people are disappointed that we hired Not Randy Shannon. And that’s a legitimate disappointment. I just prefer not to use that disappointment to prematurely label Austin as “medicore”.
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
"Mediocre"
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I liked Teryl Austin: Medicore Coach better
If that is a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.
Of the 4 or 5 names I heard floated
Austin’s was the least impressive.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This hire was made was to preserve continuity.
Shannon most likely was gone after two years. My concern is if a similar continuity hire is made on offense side of the ball we’re in trouble. Taking two high risks is most likely not going to work out in our favor.
ATX
On the other hand, if a coordinator fails to move on, that is usually an indicator that they are not that good.
Don't agree
About Shannon. He’s been tainted as a HC candidate by his lackluster experience in Miami. Thus, not only would other teams be skeptical about jumping on him were he to have coaching success, he would be less hungry to get back to an HC gig (especially as it would be less prestigious than the Miami one he already had little success at). I argue that Austin, who is an unproven commodity as a HC, would be much more attractive to other schools and much more likely to reciprocate the interest.
When you are at the top of the hill and get knocked off you want to get back to where you were.
Assuming that Shannon had a good career at Texas, lets say for arguments sack three or two years, he would be a likely HC candidate maybe not at as a prestigious school as the U but possibly at a similar school. I know I would want to rebuild my rep after being fired even if it was at a lower tiered school. Of course this would all depend on what was available at that time. All I’m saying is that while yes it would be risky to go with someone who had a lackluster career at HC it would not be out of the realm of possibility.
As for Austin: I’m not sure I would go with someone who had a two to three year career as a DC only but maybe he could be hired at lower tiered school as HC. Austin is really unknown commodity at the collegiate level and two good years really won’t change that fact. Maybe after four to five years. This is all just subjective though.
ATX
Agreed
On the first point. Shannon would have been looking to get back into the HC role as soon as he could. Austin, obviously having potential, can be groomed and most likely would stick around a bit longer.
He was on the defensive staff...
of not one, but two superbowl teams. . Let’s give this guy a chance to see what he brings to the table. It appears that Shannon was an option, but for whatever reason, it just did not work out. Austin could be better than Muschamp. Try not to judge the guy on his first day in Austin.
Boise State choked while Auburn enjoyed a comeback for the ages. I'll have another heaping helping of hypocrisy, please.
The pass defense was by far the weakest link of BOTH those Super Bowl teams
And he was the DB coach in both cases. Austin coached Seattle 2003-2006, and Arizona 2007-2009. The pass defense rankings for those years:
2003 – 27th
2004 – 23rd
2005 – 25th
2006 – 16th
2007 – 28th
2008 – 22nd
2009 – 23rd
Simply bad.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Then what was the point of bringing in Austin at all?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I keep seeing that be brought up
We should all know better than to put the pass defense purely on a DB coach, right? Its fairly meaningless. Hes not calling the plays, hes not selecting the talent. Talk about stats without context, for a position coach too nonetheless.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 14, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Plus, if your D-line can't get any pressure on the QB, the passing defense stats can be misleading.
If you’re going to use statistics to attempt to prove something, you have to go more in-depth than that.
The Seattle DL had decent pass-rushers, didn't they?
As did Arizona, obviously.
As for coaching up the DBs, they were good at getting interceptions, but that’s about it. Lots of yardage surrendered.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Do you need stats to believe that Bert Berry was a pretty darn good pass-rusher in those days?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
BTW, Arizona was smack-dab in the middle of the league in sacks
I can’t find stats on the pressures, but they did have Dockett, Berry, etc. all wrecking on the line. The DBs just blew lots of big plays. They got interceptions, sure, but as you probably noticed in the SB, they were also burned.
31 sacks that year (2008).
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
In the Pittsburgh vs. Arizone Super Bowl ...
… the Cardinals were one super-human catch & throw away from taking home the title. The catch by Holmes was probably the greatest I’ve ever seen, especially in that situation.
I think Austin has the skins on the wall to have earned this position at UT.
They weren't in that position because of the defense
And keep in mind they shouldn’t have been in the Super Bowl in the first place, being a wild-card team and all.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
The fact remains ...
… that he was one miracle pass away from being a Super Bowl-winning DB coach. You can knock the dude all you want to but you can’t knock his credentials. No need to be negative.
That's not a credential
That’s being along for the ride.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
As Hayzer notes below.
Teams that are good are usually winning in the 4th quarter. Teams that are losing in the 4th quarter usually pass more often than those that are winning. That’s why good teams often have worse passing defense stats than rushing defense stats.
Am I saying that’s what happened in these instances? No, I haven’t seen the stats. But things are more complicated than you think they are.
Arizona went 9-7
And looking over the quarter breakdown for their 2008 season, the opposing teams weren’t putting up tons of points in the 4th quarter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Arizona_Cardinals_season#Week_1:_at_San_Francisco_49ers
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for looking it up.
But I was talking about passing yards, not points, because yards is the stat that you used earlier to measure Austin’s quality. You don’t necessarily give up more points when teams pass more often than run, but you usually do give up more passing yards.
Regardless, my point isn’t that this Arizona secondary was good or not. My point was merely that the statistics you are using are flawed at best when used alone. Passing Yards allowed by itself doesn’t tell you a whole lot about how good a secondary is, and it tells you less about how good the guy in charge of the secondary is, and it tells you even less about how good of a defensive coordinator that guy would make, and it tells you even less about how good of a defensive coordinator that guy would be on a completely different level of football.
by billyzane on Dec 14, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Unfortunately passing yards aren't broken down by quarter on any page I found
So if passing yards aren’t a good indicator, would you please provide an explanation of what statistical indicators there might be to determine whether a DBs coach was any good? Because right now it’s looking like you’re saying that statistics aren’t useful for looking at coaches.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Also, I did provide sack statistics on the Super Bowl year
Shall we do a point/counterpoint on the statistics that could be relevant to Austin?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
a better criteria is talent development
is how well Austin developed talent. Bear in mind he doesn’t get to pick any of the guys he coached at the NFL level, but Truffant, Rodgers-Cromartie are among a pretty decent list of young players he coached. Rodgers-Cromartie was a rookie on the Card’s SB team if I remember correctly.
At Florida, he had some good talent in the secondary and judging by their takeways and total defense they look to have had held their own. I will give you that UF’s defense wasn’t statistically on par with Muschamp’s Texas defense in his first year, but UF’s defense did lose quite a bit of talent from last year.
During his first UF press conference, he astutely answered that he learned early on that coaches should not ask their players to do things they are not capable of or are not good at and he also said that he would continue what Strong had put in place at UF and would tweak the defense based on the talent on the field. I think these are exactly the answers we would want to hear during his UT press conference (assuming he’s the guy).
This leaves talent evaluation and recruiting as the biggest unknowns with Austin, because he neither chose his players in the pros or at UF. We simply have to trust Mack (and Urban) on this.
We simply have to trust Mack (and Urban) on this.
No I don’t. I don’t have to trust anyone but whom my perceptions, and whose track record, indicate that I should trust.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 15, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
DRC and Trufant were both first-round picks
The talent was already there, and they had already developed into pretty good players. Hard to say how much value Austin added. I would say this is no better a measuring stick than the stats.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I believe BOH has spent all day cataloging
Austin’s unimpressive credentials. People are apparently choosing to ignore them. Perhaps he should do a fanpost simply to end this parade of “you don’t know how good Austin is, so give the guy a chance” nonsense.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
"Unimpressive credentials"?!
So, 20 years of coaching in the NFL & NCAA Div. 1 is unimpressive? Nobody is ignoring that we don’t know much about this guy. Instead, what we are FULLY recognizing is that Coach Mack is BIG-TIME credentialed and has kept our football program at the top of the heap for a decade now. I think he knows what he’s doing. The “nonsense” is that doubters like you think that he doesn’t know what he’s doing or that Austin is a bad coach and doesn’t deserve a chance.
Did you doubt Mack's faith in Greg Davis?
After all, he knows what he’s doing.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmmmm. Greg Davis was a D1 coach & top-tier OC ...
… for upwards of 20 years. Also, while at Texas, he had the #1 scoring offense (39.0 ppg) among BCS conference schools (& #2 overall nationally) from 2000-2009. If you’re sayin’ that Mack’s faith in Greg Davis was unfounded, then you’re basing it in your own personal bubble-screen hating opinion. Mack knew that GD was highly effective as an OC. Never one negative word has been uttered by a player or coach at UT in that whole decade. It’s okay for Mack to shake-up the staff this year – he knows the attitude needs to change & the play-calling was getting stale – but it’s ridiculous to say that the OC with the #1 scoring average in the country for a decade should not have the faith of his coach. Poor argument on your part.
You're talking to the wrong person
I was defensive about Davis when most here weren’t.
But you’re missing the point. The point is that deference to authority is not necessarily warranted in all cases involving Mack Brown. He knows football better than you or I do. Does that mean neither of us should ever question a call? Have you never questioned a call while watching football? Because if you have, you were questioning someone who had a much better understanding than you (or I) had.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I guess I'm confused with your stance now.
I thought you were being facetious about Mack when saying “After all, he knows what he’s doing.”. I thought it was directed at GD. Sorry. I wanted a change from GD too but I’m glad that there are others out there that saw the value in his work here.
Bottom line, IMHO, I think that we should all give Coach Austin the benefit of a doubt. He’s definitely got the skins on the wall and the experience necessary to be the new DC. I hate losing Muschamp but I think this guy’s gonna be just fine. Who knows. He could end up being one of ‘the greats’ in a few years.
Mack has skins on the wall
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, Austin does not deserve the benefit of the doubt, and I think it’s perfectly reasonable to compare his resume to Shannon’s or any other plausible candidate’s. Compared to what Shannon would bring in terms of resume and reputation, Austin appears to be below the market Texas should’ve even been considering.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Shannon, evidently, wasn't an option.
Get over it. We all wanted him here almost as much as we wanted Muschamp to stay. Let’s get past the issue. Austin is totally qualified and he has a fine resume. He may not be what we all want but he not at all below the market. He was, evidently, the best available from the market. Coach Mack has 3 times out of 4 gotten the best DC available.
How is he qualified?
He’s never been a full defensive coordinator in his entire career. That’s pretty unqualified for a position like UT’s DC.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Just cuz a guy's never been a DC before ...
… doesn’t mean he’s going to be a bad one but his 20+ years of experience certainly qualifies him. None of us think Muschamp was a bad hire for FLA even though he’s never been a HC before. I guess you’d say he’s unqualified too. Sometimes it’s okay to hire a guy into a position he’s never been in before. IMO, Austin will be just fine as UT’s DC.
so you're saying his evaluation of..
..DC’s is a C avg.?
by vy til i die on Dec 14, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know where you got "a C avg." ...
… but he’s hired the best Defensive Coordinator in the country 3 out of the last 4 times. Not too shabby.
75% = C
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, I get your math now.
What I meant is that Mack didn’t just get a passing grade when he hired Robinson, Chizik, & Muchamp. He aced it each time with an “A+”. That’ll certainly bring up your “avg.”. It’s a shame that he’s now criticized & untrusted by many out here even though he’s had a stellar track record of coaching hires and a great record of success at UT.
People were extremely optimistic about Chizik and Muschamp
And generally a little iffy on MacDuff, as I recall. Not sure about Robinson.
I think people have done a good job with the instant reactions to MB’s coaching hires. In this case, the most optimistic that any Texas fans really seem to be is cautiously deferential. No one really seems to have a reason to really fall in love with the hire, as was the case with Chizik and Muschamp.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I understand what yur sayin'
I guess if that’s been an accurate barometer of the DC hires & their subsequent successes … then the next few years of defense are going to be rough. I just hope he does well & continues the tradition of great Longhorn defenses of the last few years.
My biggest concerns are that since Austin was the DB coach over at FLA, then we may be losing Akina too. In that case, I would consider the events of the last few days … a freakin’ disaster. Retaining Akina, Giles, & Applewhite are what will make or break any of these hires, including Austin or Shannon. If those 3 guys don’t stay, I’ll be seriously miffed.
"...aren't any good at it..."
See post above. Opinions vary. #1 of all BCS conference schools in scoring average from 2000-20009. Your statement is as false as could be.
Nobody is saying Austin is a "bad coach"
We have been telling each other on BON for weeks, not to panic, because “We’re Texas” and “can get anyone we want.” The program just finished its worst season in years, seems to be in chaos, has lost most of its staff, and we are worrying about recruits de-committing. I don’t think DC at UT right now is the time or place to “give someone a chance” and hope he works out. It’s not about whether Austin is a bad or good coach, it’s whether he is the “best.”
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by OBdoc on Dec 16, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
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by Paleface Horn on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Arizona
Good teams often finish lower in pass defense in the NFL. Arizona was throwing the ball all over the field and getting in to shootouts with their opponents. The Patriots are currently ranked 31st in passing defense, the Steelers are 23rd, and the Saints were 26th last year.
Playing in the Big12, we should certainly know how misleading the PYA stat is.
by hayzer13 on Dec 14, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not talking without context
What is talking without context is giving him much credit at all for the super bowl appearances. He coached the weak link in both cases.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
And is it fair to say that a lot of those Cardinals teams didn't have much talent, period?
I write that without bothering to look it up.
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
They did
They had Bryan Robinson, Dockett, Antonio Smith, Bert Berry, Dansby, Okeafor, Hood, Rolle, Rodgers-Cromartie, and of course Adrian Wilson.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'll readily admit I don't know much about Arizona.
(I refused to acknowledge their very existence when they drafted Leinart.)
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
You just crack me up sometimes. n/t
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I'm going to freeze myself
And request that no one thaw me out until Texas hires someone good for each side of the ball.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Quincy Russell
GBR, what is your interpretation of the following entry this morning in David Flores KENS5.com blog post?
Sam Houston defensive tackle Quincy Russell and Stevens quarterback Mykkele Thompson also are holding firm in their commitments to the Longhorns.
Russell said Muschamp gave no hint he was considering leaving UT when he visited him at Sam Houston about a week ago. “He just wanted to know how I was doing and wanted to make sure I still was committed to Texas,” Russell said. "I can’t be too mad about him leaving. He has to look out for his family. “I really liked the defensive scheme Coach Muschamp ran. It was up front and aggressive. But I have faith that Coach Brown will find another good defensive coordinator.”
Didn't catch that. Thanks.
Sounds a little more solid than he was when he first heard the news and was thinking about opening up his recruitment again.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 14, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Do any of you actually know whether he's good or not?
Or are you just upset that you didn’t know his name until yesterday? I understand the theory that you want a big name to stem the tide, but don’t underestimate the cachet of his NFL experience with recruits.
Not saying he's a better hire than Shannon.
Just wondering where all the animosity is coming from. My guess is that it’s just out of the fact that he’s relatively unknown to us, not because anyone has any real idea that he’ll be any worse at DC than Shannon would have been.
Exactly
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by Hopkins Horn on Dec 14, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Few thoughts
First off, Austin as DC has not yet been confirmed. Let’s not forget that Dan Mullen was already proclaimed to be the HC at Florida, only to have our former DC wind up wearing the whistle.
Secondly, if Austin becomes our DC, who’s to say we can’t pay to bring in Shannon as our LB coach?
Third, let’s see how whomever comes in performs. If I told you that an OC won one National Champsionship, played for another, and also won a Rose Bowl and a Fiesta Bowl, and had the winningest QB in college history, and had a couple Heisman finalists at he position, and his teams put up a lot of points, would you still be excited if I told you it was Greg Davis?
WTF? . . . FML
i just assumes Mack would hire an elite / badass type to replace Muschamp. This is a total joke, this guy is a totally unproven leftover from an unerperforming team and defense. jesus christ has Mack gone senile.
Let me get this straight
Coach Brown hires top DC’s over many years with head coaching ambition. So now he hires a seemingly quality defensive mind with very solid references, no baggage we know of, and maybe his ambition is to be the very best defensive coordinator in the land first and foremost (read NOT head coach).
What is wrong with this plan again?
Most were just hoping for a big splash right now, but you are right about Mack’s past hires. I just wonder if Meyer wasn’t instrumental in this decision. They are good friends. Meyer would hire an up and comer, as would Mack.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
You lost me at "seemingly quality defensive mind with very solid references"
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
well..
..last time he hired an NFL guy (ST coach) and had little recent college experience, it ended in the worst season (other than 2010) in recent memory.
by vy til i die on Dec 14, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
I was curious about that as well.
I’m still waiting for that.
However, things aren’t official yet, so we’ll see. Maybe that will happen.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
So which one of you bought the domain
Fireterylaustin.com?
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It makes me nervous that he is very "green" when it comes to recruiting..
he hasn’t done it at all (at least not in some time). Trial by fire I guess.
We are going with basically an “unknown” at a time that warranted we go with a big hire given what has transpired over the last 5 months.
Everbody: Step. Away. From the ledge.
Yes, this is not the “big name” hire that everybody wanted. However, we don’t know anything about this guy. I understand that that uncertainty is disconcerting to a lot of you, and understandably so, but everyone has to remember that Mack has made a slew of fantastic hires in the past, so this guy obviously had something that Bellmont though made him the right man for the job. Big names do not always end up being all they’re cracked up to be. Cite: Rich Rod at Michigan. And many a time an unknown can come out of nowhere and do amazing things.
This may work out, and it may not, but until we’ve given this guy a chance, we won’t know. None of us were in the room when the hire was made, and I would implore everyone to chill the F down, have a drink or two, and realize that we’re not the experts paid to make these decisions. If in a year or two things are still bleak, then we can posthumously look back and say it was a mistake. Until then there are no facts anyone can turn to to say this is a bad hire -only unknown. Unknown ≠ terrible.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
However, we don’t know anything about this guy.
Some do, some don’t. He’s not an unknown.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I assume you're referring to his NFL stats you posted above
Just remember that coaching in the NFL and coaching in college are two different animals. How many times do you see a coach have success in one and not the other. Also, everything is situation specific. There are entirely too many elements to look at just a few stats and zero in on them. The sky is not falling, the end of the world is not on the horizon. Just give it time and reserve judgment until we’ve seen what happens.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
But he was a DBs coach in the NFL
And he’s never even been a full DC at the college level.
Seriously, he has a resume that’s suitable for DC at Texas State, not Texas.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
I understand your reservations
I can understand being shaky about an unknown, but I’m just saying to give it some time and wait and see. Contrary to a lot of this spoiled fan base’s opinion, just because “We’re Texas” doesn’t mean we can get anyone we want by throwing wads of cash out there.
Did he get hired because he’s young and energetic? Because he doesn’t have immediate aspirations to be a HC, so we’ll be stable for the long run? Some other intangible? We don’t know, and we’re not in the room making the hire. I think it’s crazy that we think that as fans we know every single best direction of the program. We’re not on the inside. We don’t have all the facts and information, and accordingly, I don’t see how we can rightfully complain until we’ve seen some tangible results,
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
Were you of similar opinion that it was crazy to think that fans were right about Greg Davis?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Apples and Oranges
You could tangibly see the product that Greg Davis was putting on the field. Fans had specific criteria to which they could point to give a cognizant argument for why Greg needed to be shown the door. I’m simply stating that we should give him Austin a chance. If you don’t like the product, then crucify away. Until then, I just think it’s a bit unreasonable to send this guy off the the gallows.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
Austin has had his chances
In the NFL and college. Things haven’t been all that impressive in either case—not impressive enough to deserve this job, anyway.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Hubris much?
not impressive enough to deserve this job, anyway.
Nobody except the people inside Bellmont have any grounds to say whether he deserves this job or not. If it is true that he gets the job, the people making the decision will certainly have considered him deserving. And, I can almost promise you that the decision will have taken into consideration more than a handful of stats viewed in isolation of any other external elements.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
Right, and no one has any grounds to say whether Mack, Davis, etc. deserve theirs
Seriously, this is a fan discussion. It’s silly to keep talking as though I’m stating that we fans should get to decide.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
It’s a fan’s discussion. It’s the discussion of a fan base that collectively has become so spoiled in the past decade that anytime decisions are made that don’t coincide with exactly what the fan base wants the fan base throws a wall-eyed fit.
I understand and respect your position, BOH. I’m just merely trying to pull the reigns back on what I consider to be a completely unreasonable attitude by a massive amount of posters on this board. People are paid to make these decisions that have way more information than we do, and I think it’s a bit brash to think that on the outside looking in we know more than them. That’s where I’m coming from.
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by lnghrn53 on Dec 14, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, wouldn't you say those on the inside had more information than we do about Davis?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
You didn't, really
You said we had info to evaluate what was on the field. We didn’t have the inside information on what playcalls were GD’s, what Mack instructed GD to do on offense, etc. But people acted like experts in here. Where was this line of thinking then?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
It isn't a valid comparison
It is one thing to take issue with a coordinator’s on field product and deciding that you don’t want him to be your team’s coordinator based on tangible results the coordinator has produced during the tenure in this program.
It’s entirely something else to crucify a person prematurely when he has not had a chance to produce any results in this program. He may be good, he may not be. Everything is situation specific.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
You're assuming I'm not basing my criticism on Austin's results
When in fact I’ am.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming nothing of the sort
And I’m aware that you’re basing it on his results. I’m just a firm believer that everything is situation specific, and I’m reserving judgment until I’ve seen the product he creates for UT.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
WTF is the point of a discussion board if we're not going to discuss it?
Fine. All deference to the authority figures.
Could someone please stop the woman with the hammer?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's okay if people disagree with you
There’s no reason to get upset and short with your words.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
Wait and see...
you simply can’t say that his resume precludes him from being a good hire.
John Harbaugh was a Special Teams coordinator before becoming the head coach of the Ravens, Raheem Morris was a DB coach before becoming the head coach of the Bucs. I completely understand your reservations, he doesn’t have the track record Muschamp or Chizik had when they were hired and I agree that this could blow up in Mack’s face. But we simply cannot pass a judgement based on resume.
The plus side to his hire is that he does have ample NFL experience (7+ years) and coached some pretty decent, Super Bowl secondaries in Seattle and Arizona. If he has an NFL work ethic (i.e. 80 hours a week), then I don’t see why he couldn’t be an up and comer.
NFL experience isn't valuable if it was below-average in results, though, wouldn't you say?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't trust Mack has good reasons for his personnel decisions
He kept Davis (someone with whom he got a long personally) to the detriment of the University, and I suspect he and Will had problems getting along, although Muschamp was the school’s [potentially] bright future. I just don’t trust that Mack is putting the program’s interests above his own.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how hiring Austin could be viewed as Mack putting his own interests in front of the program
If anything, I think a better argument could have been made for that conclusion with Shannon (wanting a familiar face and friend instead of going out for something that might be uncomfortable).
I do have every bit of faith in Mack to make the right hires. With the exception of Davis —and even though I wanted him gone, I refuse to believe that anyone could be bullheaded enough to say that there was no cognizable argument for keeping him, we have had pretty much solid hires through the last decade. I have faith. Some don’t. It’s a matter of perspective, and because of his previous track record, I’ll take my particular perspective and go on down the road for at least another year. Now, should things not turn around, we’ll talk,
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
should things not turn around, we’ll talk
That’s unnecessarily risky. If things don’t work out, this could easily become a decade of mediocrity. We’ve had Seminoles and Tide fans warning us of similar experiences all week.
Hire two hotshot coordinators, on the other hand, and I doubt we collapse. Its possible, but doubtful. Big names would have kept the recruits coming. Instead, if wee have a couple of losing seasons, and coaches who aren’t producing NFL talent, then you lose your recruits, which becomes a snowball effect, because when you finally clean house for a new staff, you have new coaches and very little talent. That can lead to an 8 years gap in competitiveness.
I can’t stress enough the voluntary nature of this hire. We don’t HAVE to make a risky hire, so why do it? My personal opinion is that Mack wants people whom he feels can’t out-muscle him for anything at all in the athletic department. I suspect he’s resentful of the way this year has played out, and he’s acting in his own personal interest.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
A perfectly reasonable take on this
I understand it. It’s reasonable. It logically follows. From my standpoint though, I firmly believe Mack has earned the benefit of the doubt right now. If I had a golden goose that gave me an inordinate amount of golden eggs, I would not shoot said goose upon the laying of one rotten egg. Rather, I would assume that the one rotten egg was merely a fluke and give it another chance. In this case, I think Mack has given us plenty of golden eggs from 10 win seasons, to an MNC, another MNC appearance, BCS bowl wins, etc. I don’t intend on shooting him, and I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and the chance to make things right. If things don’t get turned around, then I think it’s time to start thinking about replacing our goose.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
I would just chuck the rotten egg
In this case, that’s what I hope Texas does.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
BH
I believe you have made the most efficient point on the thread: there’s absolutely no reason to take the risk.
Could he be amazing? Yes. Does that even factor into the conversation of whether it was a smart hire? No. Mack doesn’t know much about him because nobody knows much about him at the collegiate level. It’s not like he has some secret insider knowledge. Why take the risk when Shannon is the sure thing?
Maybe Shannon was pursued but just didn't work out.
Ever thought of that?
I liked Shannon
But I am not disappointed in this hire. Urban Meyer hiring this guy says volume, and he did pretty well in his first year at DC.
Hiring Austin makes a lot of sense to me and I think having a young guy with loads of NFL experience is pretty darn impressive. I think the recruits are going to love him.
Urban also hired Addazio
Would you guys be excited to see him as OC right now?
Seven years of below-average NFL experience—at DBs only, when Texas has one of the best DB coaches in the country—makes Austin a non-starter in my book.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I think Austin has more experience than Applewhite
I think he is an aggressive type of def. coach that our elite athletes will love to play for and chemistry within the system is important. His Gator’s d was not bad this year despite their offense being as bad as our O.
Where do you get the impression that he's aggressive?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Meyer is a younger version of Nick Saban. He hires up and coming, hungry staff so they work 200+ hour weeks.
I’m trusting Brown that this is one of those hires.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Florida kids loved Austin
I forgot to say that. All the reports were that he had a great connection with the Florida players, so that is a good thing that his demeanor is suited to his role.
Underwhelming, but...
Living in Florida, married to a gator, I have been forced to watch lots of UF games this year. For the most part, I though their D acquitted themselves nicely. It was definitely not a liability (that was the O).
That being said, if his expertise in DBs is an indication that Akina is leaving us, I’ll be even more depressed than I was already.
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Posted on earlier thread and reposted here for reference
Franz Beard – Swamp247.com
"Came to Florida with a big time reputation for coaching defensive backs but this was first time as coordinator. Got the Florida job because of his conection with Billy Davis, the Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator who was Urban’s best man at his wedding to Shelley.
Florida intercepted 17 passes this season, which is tied for 11th nationally. Florida led the country for most of the year.
Coached Ahmad Black at UF, who made second team All-American. Corner Janoris Jenkins, who made first team All-SEC is expected to be a first round draft pick.
Florida defense is ranked ninth nationally in total defense, which isn’t a bad slip considering the Gators were fourth last year and this year Austin had to build a defense without linebackers Brandon Spikes (All-American), Ryan Stamper (All-SEC) and Dustin Doe (three-year starter), defensive ends Carlos Dunlap (All-American) and Jermaine Cunningham (All-SEC), who combined for 17 sacks, and corner Joe Haden (All-American) and safety Major Wright (All-SEC). Dunlap, Haden and Wright were juniors so Florida’s defense would have been substantially better.
Austin prefers about a 50-50 mix in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes. Prefers to get the pressure out of the front four and blitz only for surprise and effect, but this year had to rely more on the blitz than he intended since the Gators couldn’t get pressure from the front four.
Likes big defensive ends, something Florida didn’t have this year. Wants linebackers who can run laterally. More of an attack guy than a read and react.
In the secondary, likes playing one-high with the strong safety in the box to help take away the run. Plays press corners most of the time. Goes zone on third and long.
His schemes are very much NFL which requires plenty of film study by the players.
Soft spoken. Doesn’t raise his voice much. Let’s his assistant coaches do the yelling. Players say he’s easy to play for and they have a lot of respect for him. Very much known as a players’ coach. "
by TXStampede on Dec 14, 2010 4:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Keep in mind that Austin wasn't a true DC
He was co-DC and corners coach. Chuck Heater was co-DC and safeties coach. Dan McCarney was the assistant coach for defense and DL coach.
Who called the plays? Hard to say.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure that Mack couldn't have figured that out
With a question to Teryl and one phone call to Urban. I’m withholding judgement until I see a product on the field.
Sounds like our current D.
Maybe his defensive philosophy is closest to what Muschamp was running, and is being hired for continuity’s sake. Our D didn’t exactly set the world on fire this year. I’m willing to give it a chance. If Mack steers the good ship Longhorn onto the rocks, he’ll be out by next season anyway.
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Is this official...?
or just more speculation as the other articles that I read where Shannon was definitely the DC hired.
by LonghorninRaiderland on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM CST reply actions
It's driving me crazy.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Correct.
As I mentioned in the last sentence, there hasn’t been any confirmation from UT, so all this is truly speculation revolving around the reports coming out of 247 and Orangebloods. Perhaps should have made that more clear in the headline.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 14, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think you stated as well as needed...
I think this is very contentious subject and knee jerk reactions are escalated.
ATX
I'm on board with this
cause I trust Mack. I actually think this area (building staff) is one of his strengths. At the end of the day, nobody here knows anything about anybody. All we can go on is resume and stats, which are great, but they’re not the whole picture. Don’t underestimate the value of reputation in the coaching community, short-term vs. long-term committment, chemistry with the head coach, etc. Those are going to be the deciding factors for a good head coach to use. A “splash hire” gets you bigger headlines for a day and shores up recruiting and from what I’ve read recruiting is going to be okay.
Well lets see....
i am not sure what to think about the hire but even if meyer hired this guy as a neccesity like many have said he didnt do terrible. Sure its florida but they lost alot on D last year and for him to keep them in the top 10 defenses of the year then he cant be a bad choice. Lets remeber that mack has hired the last 3 or 4 DC’s and they panned out well so, So lets just wait and see how he does.
by Fernando Serrano on Dec 14, 2010 4:43 PM CST reply actions
Not all of the last 3 or 4 DCs panned out
Remember when he hired Akina in-house (promoted) to be co-DC, and also hired in MacDuff? That went over pretty terribly on the field.
“Underwhelming” is the best possible adjective that can be attached to this hiring right now.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right.
The failure of Akina & MacDuff as DCs more than trumps the success of Robinson, Chizik, & Muschamp. Sure wish ol’ Mack knew what he was doing with staff hires.
Is this how you felt about Madden, McWhorter, Kennedy, and Davis?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Recruitocosm twitter says:
We asked the best source we have if he Austin has been offered the DC position. He said, “No!”
thank you. Everyone is getting so worked up over a probably.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
I hate to give credibility to anything Jesus has said, but it would be funny if all this angst is for nothing and the guy isn’t even hired.
This off-season is worse than any other.
Please, Mack, make it stop.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Dec 14, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I want Texas to announce an official hiring...
…as long as they’re officially hiring someone really good and impressive.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Meh meh meh
Blah. Is this the best the old Clapper can do?
“Trust in Mack”…NOT. Stinks!

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Krammer's big movie (or was it TV?) debut, right?
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
It was a Woody Allen movie ...
… in which he was eventually fired. Funny stuff.
“Man, this popcorn is salty.”
“Man, this popcorn is salty.”
“Man, this popcorn is salty.”
“Man, this popcorn is salty.”
“Man, this popcorn is salty.”
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by Paleface Horn on Dec 17, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
The internet is just too powerful
Austin’s wikipedia page is already updated to say he’s the D coordinator at Texas…without any official announcement. We’ve created a monster that just can’t be tamed.
"It's all bullshit, and it's bad for 'ya." -George Carlin
haha
Well hopefully he can figure out how to plug that hole up the middle that got us killed last year.
by Fernando Serrano on Dec 14, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions
Florida got killed the same way.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
We need to recruit some big uglies that won't get thrown around by offensive lineman.
I don’t give a damn if they have good technique, if they’re too small to play interior D-line, we don’t want ’em.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
yeah
I would like to have had better production out of rhandall and okafor
by Fernando Serrano on Dec 14, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Ebb and Flow...Ebb and Flow.
Texas has been at the top of the mountain along with USC, FL, OU, LSU, and tOSU over the past decade. Bama had not done much until Saban got there. The Longhorn community, especially the under 30 crowd, need to understand that dynasties rise and fall. This might be the end of the MB era…or it might be the beginning of some new era on the 40 Acres. But, simply blasting the hire before any results can be evaluated (by fans no less) is juvenile and simply Aggyish. Shake yourselves just a little bit. Hook’em.
Boise State choked while Auburn enjoyed a comeback for the ages. I'll have another heaping helping of hypocrisy, please.
aggyish is settling for an cadet's girlfriend when there's a Texas pom squad girl there
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
That is Aggyish ALSO.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
What about the repeated complaints about Boise State's turf color?
Is that aggyish?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
No, that color is offensive to football fields everywhere.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
So aggy
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
You are free to like the blue...I like their program...not their field color.
I thank God above we do not play on a burnt orange field.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with
this is it could be trotted out for absolutely any hire.
We hired Blake Gideon as our DC? (He was a “coach on the field” after all) That’s ludicrous.
“But, simply blasting the hire before any results can be evaluated (by fans no less) is juvenile and simply Aggyish.”
We hired the DC from Florida Atlantic as our DC? That’s a horrible hire.
“But, simply blasting the hire before any results can be evaluated (by fans no less) is juvenile and simply Aggyish.”
I think calling what are obviously fellow Longhorn fans Aggyish is what is juvenile.
Also, questioning the wisdom of authority figures’ decisions seems more Longhornish while chanting in unison “Trust Mack Brown” seems more Aggyish, or maybe that’s just me.
by tdwalsh on Dec 14, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm simply proposing we give the dude a chance if he is indeed the DC.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
This is just specious reasoning.
I can easily get you to concede that if an institution was deciding between HC candidates and chose a 22yo graduate assistant over Jim Harbaugh, that the decision should be criticized before any results are produced.
Obviously this situation isn’t nearly as extreme, but your willingness to concede the above scenario suggests a fallacy in the argument that all judgment should be held regarding a hire until results are produced. We have every right to be critical of this hire, should we consider that there were many more obvious and better candidates from whom to choose.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The criticism of the hire is based on what exactly?
That it is not Randy Shannon? What if Shannon did not want to be at Texas? Please find me the list of superb DC options available to the program at this point. Malzhan getting locked up for about $1.3 million set the bar for Coordinator cash of the upper echelon.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Based on his resume, not on Shannon's, Austin is a weak hire for a program of this magnitude
Austin has exactly one year of experience as a co-DC, and zero years as a full DC.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
So, why would MB offer him if there are a plethora of better options out there?
Honest question…
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
That's exactly what I want to know.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
He likes the guy personally?
He thinks it is a safe hire (ie: one that won’t jump ship next year for a HC position)? He doesn’t want any competition for authority in the locker room?
I can think of a number of plausible reasons, but none that has the best interest of the program in mind.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Saban gave Muschamp a chance and that panned out pretty well at LSU...
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Muschamp had been a full defensive coordinator
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
He had also worked for Saban for a year (as LB coach)
so Saban had first-hand knowledge and experience.
Are we really giving credit for Valdosta State DC positions?
I dig the familiarity angle from within…Are Mack and Urban friends?
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
So Saban had experience with Muschamp, and Muschamp had been a full, independent DC
Mack does not have experience with Austin, and Austin has never been a full, independent DC.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
At Valdosta St...an NCAA Div II program...
like I said, I am in agreement with the familiarity angle…which is the prime reason he was offered, not the time at a Div. II school.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Keep in mind that LSU wasn't a premiere program at the time
Texas can pay more than anyone. That doesn’t mean Texas can get anyone, but it means UT’s options are as good as any in the country.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
and I am wondering if they even dialed up Kirby Smart or that caliber.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
72 hours removed from the Muschamp bail to Florida....
and the first guy Mack interviews……he goes with?
my head hurts the more I think about this……..just not making much sense.
Is that seriously all we have to go on?
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Never really have seen
a conclusive statement on any board regarding the job posting issue and interviewing rules (5 days, 3 interviews, etc.). I realize they are not necessarily followed, but definitely could shed light on why there is no announcement from the school or scheduled presser. Anyone know the facts on this?
They have to be followed at least on paper
There have to be a minimum of 3 interviews, but if you wanted to, 2 could be fluff interviews that would have never gotten the job. You can announce it before 5 days is up, but they cannot officially join the payroll or begin receiving state benefits until the 5 days have elapsed. Basically, they affect absolutely nothing on a substantive basis.
Exactly...more lobbyist nonsense on the political landscape to ensure fairness for all.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
What do lobbyists have anything to do with it? I think it’s a totally legitimate and admirable law in 99.9% of state jobs. The history books are littered with government jobs being assigned based on nepotism and bribery rather than meritocracy, and if such a law helps fight that, then wonderful.
It isn’t really necessary for this particular type of job since it is naturally resistant of nepotism and has a tendency towards meritocracy, but that doesn’t have any bearing on the law itself.
by bbatsell on Dec 14, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
jobs are still assigned on relationships...not the posting rules...I think we are both saying that...
the “process” is merely a political one that has no bearing on the end results in this instance.
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by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'm equally critical and appreciative of recruitocosm as a resource
I criticized what I thought to have been a polarized story on player perspectives, and I believe it was correct to do so.
In this case, I hope JS’s source has it right:
BoR meeting to discuss DC and OC openings to occur Friday. Remember we told you OC and DC would go down in the next 48 hours.
24 minutes ago via TweetDeck
We asked the best source we have if he Austin has been offered the DC position. He said, “No!”
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck
Several VERY GOOD sources claims no offer for DC has been made yet. Stay tuned.
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 5:49 PM CST reply actions
WTF?
Out of all the possible DC’s out there, we get this guy? Besides his freakin last name, i don’t get the appeal of this guy.
Please Football Gods say it ain’t so ’cause this makes no sense whatsoever.
But if it is true, i have to pray that Mack knows what he’s doing and there’s some secret reason that he hired this candidate that we don’t know about.
The first name almost even offsets the positivity of the last name, too
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Who are all of the potential DC's out there?
I’d love a list so we know who we are comparing this cat to.
Boise State choked while Auburn enjoyed a comeback for the ages. I'll have another heaping helping of hypocrisy, please.
by Mulliganville on Dec 14, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Bleh
This is a really crappy swap. Can we get an exchange??
I'm really hoping whoever told Orangebloods this had his fingers crossed behind his back
Or her back.
The lack of confirmation so far seems a little promising.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Two things I've learned from today.
1) All of us need to take a step back from the ledge and wait for this to actually run its course. Until we get confirmation from Belmont one way or another, we’re doing little more than pissing in the wind.
2) OB, Recruitocosm and UTFootballNews’ sources + $2 will get you a ride on the bus. Seriously, there’s been so much conflicting/false information over the past 48 hours that everything seriously needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Obviously Mack and Deloss have the entire staff on lockdown and are intent on releasing information on their own terms. One has to wonder who these anonymous sources are given that every Longhorn news source claims to be speaking to someone on the inside, yet each person leaking information would likely be in serious jeopardy of losing his/her job if they were found out to be the person passing on information about candidates, timing, etc.
That’s not to say that Austin is not going to be the DC. But until we have solid information, this all seems premature.
the man, the myth, the legend.
I 'SERIOUSLY' need to proofread before posting...
two times in one sentence…whoops.
the man, the myth, the legend.
Possibly
Of course, there hasn’t yet been an announcement about Austin, so that could also be incorrect.
fingers crossed
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 14, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
So there is an update at the top of the story.
DMN is reporting that a source says that Austin was not interviewed today, is not scheduled to be interviewed tomorrow, and that no job offer has been made. For whatever that is worth.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 14, 2010 7:13 PM CST reply actions
I'm just gonna sit around in my undrewear
and eat a big hunk of cheese until this mess is sorted out.
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by Paleface Horn on Dec 15, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
Look at it this way
The 20 quadrillion hits this site is getting per day right now must be good for BON in some capacity.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 14, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
Don’t read what anonymous sources are saying and wait for an announcement?
It seems there is no urgency...
but the regents meeting is a sign that they are ready to allocate the cash needed fore hires. The Longhorn $ subscriber sites have too many “sources” to get any real info. I’m not going to hold my breath on any info from the mentioned websites and won’t consider any info until official announcements are made.
ATX
Wow just Wow
Mack Brown is no doubt in my mind a top 3 coach in the NCAA. But boy this hiring if true just stinks. There’s no way anybody can tell me this guy would be a better hire than Randy Shannon. Shannon had 5 top 10 defenses in 6 years at Miami. Shannon is one of the top 10 recruiters in America, the man has Miami on Lock. And you’re telling me about some guy that’s been a db coach in the NFL and was a co dc on a crappy Fla Gators Defense in 2010? Shannon has to be at least hired on as Co DC or LB coach. If there banking on this unknown we’re cooked for 2011 and beyond….
I'v also heard David Shaw was in the mix but who knows. I'm really backing off any info until an offcial announcment.
ATX
Major is most likely involved in every offensive hire.
Hiring Chow would concern me regarding Major being retained.
ATX
Florida fan here...
touche Texas. What say you Longhorn faithful about the Teryl Austin hire? I’d be happy to provide some insight as to what I saw of him in Gainesville, however any Gator fan that says they have a firm grasp of how good Teryl Austin is or isn’t would be lying…
So maybe not then?
Teryl Austin is the new Texas DC like Major Applewhite was the new Florida OC….got it.
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I think its safe to say that no one knows what the hell is going on except Mack Brown. But if the phone if ringing off the wall, I can wait so that we can get a quality hire.
If Austin is hired, I hope that it was in NO part due to
any of these pressures playing a part for Mack Brown:
(1) guilty feelings about Austin’s losing his job at Florida because of the Texas guy taking over (like when a company acquires another company and lets go of people, who then need a place to go)
or
(2) as a favor to friend/colleague Urban Meyer, whose best friend was Austin’s ex-boss, the Cardinals DC (which makes one wonder why would a DC suggest one of his staff be hired away, or was he already out or leaving?)
just saying, coaching/recruiting skills should be first and foremost
hence why everyone is a bit baffled about hiring Austin over Randy Shannon.
While personal compatibility with himself is also very very important, I hope Mack won’t choose his staff (ahem, GD… and now Norm Chow??) by putting that criteria above coaching and recruiting ability.
Just saying, since supposedly Holgorsen was ruled out due to something in his personal lifestyle. I understand if certain things which impact job performance matter, but whatever it is, it hasn’t seemed to undermine Holgorsen’s coaching at Okie St, and it doesn’t really bother other programs who want to hire him for his coaching acumen.
by SchruteFarm on Dec 15, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
That's not how these decisions are made
I understand the emotional concern, but those aren’t concerns to spend much time worrying about.
You ain't hurt...
Of course, Austin hasn't demonstrated any significant recruiting skills.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was Norm Ciao.
Damn. Shoulda waited ’til we fire him to use that. Premature ejokulation.
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by Paleface Horn on Dec 16, 2010 6:50 AM CST up reply actions
lol at my own joke. pathetic.
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by Paleface Horn on Dec 16, 2010 6:51 AM CST up reply actions
Stay in the shallow end. It's safer.
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