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Around SBN: The Ten Worst Swings Of The 2011 Season

2011 Big Board: The Offensive Line

Offensive linemen on the 2011 roster -- David Snow (2011), Luke Poehlman (2012), Mark Buchanan (2012), Thomas Aschraft (2013), Paden Kelley (2013), Garrett Porter (2013), Mason Walters (2012/13), Dominic Espinosa (2013/14), Trey Hopkins (2013/14)

Needs -- Four or five

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Targets --

Name (School) JD invite? Offer? Commitment odds Favorites Quick take
Taylor Doyle (Lake Travis) Feb. 13 Possible 85%
  • Texas
  • TCU
  • Texas A&M
  • Texas Tech
Extensive game reps in pass protection and has good hand placement and arm extension in the running game. Could be an underrated prospect -- has the potential to become a solid contributor in college.
Spencer Drango (Cedar Park) Unknown (currently unconfirmed for either date) Possible

75%

  • Texas
  • Baylor
  • Colorado
  • Stanford
  • Vanderbilt
Excels in Cedar Park zone-blocking scheme and added some nastiness as a junior. Doesn't get a lot of game reps in pass protection, but has the arm length and athleticism to play tackle in college, though perhaps not left tackle.
Sedrick Flowers (Galena Park North Shore) Feb. 13 No-brainer 70%
  • Texas
  • LSU
  • Texas A&M
Absolute mauler on the offensive line and one of the top 2011 prospects in the state regardless of position. Big, strong, and nasty with a college-ready frame. Can't-miss prospect.
Josh Cochran (Hallsville)
Feb. 13
Likely 80%
  • Texas
  • TCU
  • SMU
  • Houston
A basketball player and quick-rising prospect, college coaches love his big, projectable frame. Would likely jump on a Texas offer.
Matthew Hegarty (Aztec, NM) Invited, unable to attend (basketball) No-brainer 20%
  • Texas
  • Oregon
  • Stanford
  • Oklahoma
Note: Has not officially released list of favorites.
Big kid with excellent frame and little or no bad weight. Needs to gain strength to block well in the running game, but is advanced in pass protection. Performed extremely well at the Army Junior combine. Is not able to attend either Texas Junior Day as a result of his basketball commitments. Will need to take a summer visit to receive an offer. Plans to commit during the summer.
Marcus Hutchins (DeSoto) Feb. 13 Possible/likely 75%
  • Texas
  • Texas A&M
  • Oregon
  • Arkansas
  • Oklahoma
Gave up basketball this spring to work on adding good weight, a struggle for the last several years -- was down to 235 pounds last spring and it has caused his stock to fall. Has all the athleticism, but can he reach a good playing weight to hold up in the running game? However, he is an excellent, possibly elite, athlete at his position.
Christian Westerman (Chandler, AZ)
Feb. 13 No-brainer 50%
  • Texas
  • USC
Could be best offensive line prospect in the nation. Parents fell in love with Texas at the Fiesta Bowl and highly enjoyed a summer camp visit last year. The question is whether Christian likes the Longhorns as much as his father. USC could be dropping on his list with the departure of Pete Carroll. Can't-miss prospect.

 

Other names to know -- Garrett Greenlea (Klein Collins). Even though Greenlea is one of the top linemen in the state, the Longhorns do not appear likely to offer him, as he is considered an Aggie lock.

Overview -- It almost goes without saying at this point that running back and offensive line, specifically the tackle position, are needs 1a and 1b in this class. As a result, the Texas coaching staff absolutely cannot miss with their evaluations of this class -- doing so could lead to an absolute disaster down the road at the right and left tackle positions. The evaluations will also be critical in terms of projecting the offense for the Connor Wood and post-Connor Wood eras (assuming he beats out Case McCoy) in terms of how much the coaches value athleticism.

From the names currently available on the list, it looks like athleticism is important, as each player does well in space, suggesting the coaches plan on sticking with a spread, zone-blocking offense in the future. Another important aspect of the evaluations will be the mentality of the players offered -- will they be "nice guys" like Chris Hall or will they have the nasty disposition of someone like Kasey Studdard? Perhaps the coaches should even devise a test of their toughness when they come in for the Junior Days -- maybe insulting their mother or tellilng them they aren't good enough to play for Texas and seeing if they argue.

The bottom line is that the line needs an attittude makeover and the 2011 class will eventually either continue the trend of playing like a bunch of weak-minded b****** who walk meekly to the sideline instead of helping their quarterback up on the opponents' sideline or be the type of players who get in someone's face when they take a cheap shot at the quarterback. It's simple -- are you a man or not? The 2010 line clearly stated that they fell in the latter category.

Wish list --

  1. Westerman
  2. Flowers
  3. Hegarty
  4. Drango/Doyle

Westerman and Hegarty will be national recruits, as will Flowers, and all three may take some time to make a decision -- the Longhorns should secure commitments from one or two of the group of Drango, Doyle, and Cochran, with a possible limit on how many of them they will take in order to leave room for the national recruits. It's a tricky situation, though, as if they decline to offer one of the second tier prospects, they may decide to head elsewhere. And though it may be a tricky situation, it's one the coaching staff can't afford to get wrong.

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Flowers a tackle in college?

Heard a lot of noise that Flowers will definitely be a guard in college, an excellent guard, but not a tackle. Have to agree with GhostofBigRoy no more “nice guys” like Chris Hall. If he volunteers to lead Bible Study during his official visit do not offer Mack. Westerman might be the most important player for Texas to get in 2011. I can’t even remember the last stud left tackle prospect Texas got. Book ends at Texas with Doyle and Kelly? I certainly hope so. Go Cavs and Hook ’em

by billfromlaketravis on Feb 10, 2010 7:43 AM CST reply actions  

I think Chris Hall outperformed a lot of not-so-nice guys around the nation.

It’s possible to be a great player while still being a nice guy. Ask long-time probowler Will Shields, for example, who was a lot better in college and the NFL than either Studdard. Criticizing Hall for some shortcomings in play is fine and warranted; attributing those shortcomings to his being nice is fallacy.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

But calling out Chris Hall specifically says nothing of the woes of offensive line coaching at Texas. And besides, replacing Chris Hall with the best offensive lineman in the country changes….nothing. It takes all five.

Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma

by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 10, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Tanner and, to a lesser extent, Ulatoski deserve blame as well.

And Hix and Huey were terrible at times. The whole group, basically. Throw David Snow in there, too, for the absolute destruction that Suh and McCoy wrought upon him. There’s enough blame to go around.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 10, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention the fact that Texas coaches have perfected the art of taking perfectly capable high school lineman and turning them into this.

Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma

by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 10, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I yearn

Specifically for the days of Leonard Davis, Mike Williams, Derrick Dockery, and even Jon Scott and Justin Blalock.

What the hell happened?

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I miss Kasey Studdard. :(

True story…I once saw him wrestle a dear to death in the middle of the Six Pack and then eat every last part of it. He’s a man.

by KevinJ on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually like David Snow.

Being destroyed by McCoy and Suh as a sophomore I’m willing to accept as growing pains — those guys were the best two tackles in the country this year.

Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma

by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 10, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I have high hopes for David Snow

He didn’t have the opportunity to redshirt (reads weight room and reps) and was moved back and forth from guard to center. It’s probably a little unreasonable to expect him to handle Suh or McCoy. The good news is that those two are two of the toughest he’ll face in college.

The best thing about Huey and Hix is that they’ll be graduating. But to be fair, they aren’t a good fit for a zone blocking scheme. They aren’t quick enough.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That's an unrelated issue, and you know I didn't say that.

This line of thinking seems to say that a nice guy can’t be tough or have an edge. Which is entirely untrue.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

Being tough is one thing. Being too mean and nasty can backfire either in getting a reputation for playing dirty (e.g., trying to hurt other players) or in penalties for late hits, roughing, unsportsmanlike conduct, etc.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Feb 10, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Respectfully Disagree

People may not admit it but defenses are out there trying to hurt your quarterback on every play. The most laughable comment I heard after the Bama game was their DE saying he ’wasn’t trying to hurt McCoy or anything’ on the play McCoy was put out of the game. Of course he was. As was Kindle on Taylor Potts. As was A&M against McCoy two plus years ago. I could name several others but just trying to make a point. If people can instill fear in the quarterback it works to their advantage, it lesses his effectiveness.

Every aggressive, threatening force deserves an overwhelming and opposite force. We haven’t shown that quality and I agree with GoBR, it’s given our OL the reputation of being a weak group of b******. People like Suh and McCoy feast on us, I want to see the tables turned. I want me some Conrad Doebler, penalties and injury intentions aside.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 10, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

again...

This seems to imply that niceness and weakness are inextricably linked. False.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You're arguing over the meanings of poorly defined words.

“Niceness”, “meanness”, “weak”, etc. mean different things to different people.

Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma

by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 10, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless they're being used out of context...

It would be hard to use the alternate definitions defense here.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know who's 'nice' and who's 'mean'

off the field. On the field I prefer someone who want to tear Suh’s arm out of its socket.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 10, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry about it bro,

every educated UT fan knows exactly what you mean. You’re right on, but it’s not just Hall, it’s all of ‘em. I don’t mind if the guys are good, talented, or have a mean streak – but it don’t mean a thing. They have to A – COLLECTIVELY have a mean streak, i.e. the 2005 Horns line of Studdard, Sendlein, Blalock, etc…, and they have to B – be COACHED to ALL be a bunch of “crazed dogs” as LT so eloquently put it. I’ve seen plenty a great linemen on average teams that could only dominate their own position. Unlike other positions on a team, one good lineman can’t dominate the whole game. The O-line has to be one cohesive unit in performance and attitude to be dominating. UT’ll get there once the boys and the coach start to have that Muschamp attitude.

by robthecob on Feb 12, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

what you are looking for is a competitive edge

its not necessarily “mean” or “nasty”. Of course there are countless examples of “nasty” guys that were competitive, there are also plenty of “nice” guys with a highly competitive streak.

VY was competitive, but I certainly wouldn’t say he had a mean streak.

by BMG on Feb 10, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

right

but in the OL I think the goal should be to physically whip and mentally demoralize the other guy. Which could be considered ‘mean’ or ‘nasty’ in public.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 10, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a weird way to use the word "mean"

Physically dominating someone athletically is not mean or nasty.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

That's my point

That’s why I placed the word ‘mean’ in quotes. It has no meaning on a football field, excepting poking peope in the eyes or taking shots at their knees, things that might do permanent damage.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Hall had plenty of stupid penalties

You don’t have to be mean to do dumb stuff. Witness the leg whip penalty in the national championship game.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 10, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

To play the game...

…do disagree that weakness and niceness are not linked?

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 10, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't have to be linked.

Look, it’s impossible to say why exactly Hall wasn’t better than he was. It’s quite possible that he just wasn’t very talented. By point has to do with the fact that when Colt McCoy got hit after the play got blown dead against Oklahoma in 2007, none of the offensive linemen went to protect their quarterback. It’s not that they should have gone over and gotten a personal foul penalty by punching English or that they should have taken cheap shots at the guy. It’s just that they should have gone over and let English know what he did wasn’t right.

When McCoy got knocked into the Nebraska sideline in the Big 12 championship game, none of his linemen went to help him up. Again, they didn’t need to cheapshot anyone, they needed to have some pride and help their quarterback.

To me, Hall was representative of those failings. Is it because he’s too “nice” a guy? I don’t know. It’s something. Is it possible that the nicest guy off the field could be mean as hell on it? Sure. The important point here is that Hall didn’t have any edge whatsoever on the field and that characterized the line as a whole. To me, it’s not that much of a logical leap to say that his lack of edge on the field was a result of him not having an edge off of it. That’s my opinion and clearly we are going to disagree on it and that’s fine. So it goes…

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 10, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm okay with an occasional personal foul

Everybody’s heard the DKR quote that ‘only angry people win games.’ If somebody abusing your quarterback doesn’t make you angry then you have no business on the offensive line.

I’m not opposed to a good shot with an ‘errant’ elbow to the solar plexis during a double team after somebody’s late hit on the quarterback. Or driving the guy to the ground and staying after him with two guys while he’s on the ground. Both perfectly legal.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

O-Line and tight end

Thanks for the great analysis you have provided by position. As I imagine most on BON believe – that of all the positions you have discussed, the O-line and the tight end are by far the most important facet for Texas to step up and fill. You could definitely hear the O-line issue in Mack’s recruiting day conference as to wishing he had picked up one more.

by texascfo on Feb 10, 2010 7:54 AM CST reply actions  

Walters

Isn’t he a 2012/13 instead of 2013/14? His classmates Porter/Ashcraft/Kelley were redshirts I believe. So he is either gone a year before them or with them pending medical redshirt decision.
Hutchins at 235#? Already have Poehlmann who can’t get above 270, not sure they should go that route again.
Good stuff. Thanks for these articles.

by llogg on Feb 10, 2010 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

You're correct, thanks.

Hutchins is probably around 260 or so right now I think and is working hard in the weight room. It’s conceivable that he could be around 270 or 280 by the time fall practice starts in 2011.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 10, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha!

Moving closer to purgatory, college station must have affected my conventional logic.

by DMH on Feb 10, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

QQ on Commitment Odds

Not sure it matters due to SWAG factor – but when you say odds of commitment – are you talking aobut acceptance at Junior Day – or their eventual commitment through the entire recruiting process.

by realmccoy on Feb 10, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

I don't recall from OB that Greenlea is considered an aggy lock.

I’m probably wrong. Also, there was no reason to take the gratuitous shot at Hall’s perceived demeanor, on or off the field.

I'll never forget ol' what's-his-name.

by Horntod on Feb 10, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Biggest need we have to get right and hit on all we target

If they dont get this right, it doesnt matter how many WR burners, QBs and RBs that are great that we get.

by sam0807 on Feb 10, 2010 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

I think we should start recruiting kids from the

Texas Department of Criminal Justice football team. As for the attack on Chris Hall, I dont believe that was GoBR’s intention. I could be wrong but I think he just wants someone who has tenacity and a cut-throat attitude. We want someone to attack the LOS and do some drive blocking instead of playing patty-cake as we saw from Chris Hall non-stop this year.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Feb 11, 2010 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds reasonable

But singling out Hall, who wasn’t exactly the biggest problem on the line this year, seems a bit harsh, especially considering the overall failures of the line. I think a big part of the poor performance has just been an overall dysfunction, not some supposed patty-cakes by Hall. I thought Tanner, HIx, and Ulatoski did at least as badly as Hall. Snow too, for the most part.

I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 11, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If I had to pick 1out of the line...

it would be Hall, as he kept getting blown up and taken back into the QB on many occasions. Look at the Anatomy of stagnation from the UCF game, I believe. UCF. Unacceptable in my opinion.

So yes, I agree that the line as a whole, was inefficient at run blocking and so-so at pass protection; however, I feel that Chris Hall was the worst out of the 5. Chris also happens to have a very non-aggressive (sorry, couldn’t find a better word) demeanor. Maybe its a coincidence, maybe there is a link. Regardless, out of personal choice, I want neck-breakers and ass kickers on my offensive line. Football is a violent sport, and that’s just what I want to see. Blood-thirsty maulers.

Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.

by kriess on Feb 12, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

So what would....

….. make you feel confident in our OL recruitment/selection this year? Why is our OL player development suffering so?

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Feb 14, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

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