Morning Coffee's Second Texas Junior Day Primer
A day of few offers, disappointment for recruits. If the first Junior Day is overwhelmingly a joyous occasion for the coaching staff, which typically receives between 8-12 commitments, and for the attendees, almost all of whom receive their coveted Texas offers -- only Nathan Hughes walked away from the first Junior Day without one -- the second Junior Day typically features only 25-30% of the attendees receiving offers and disappointment for the other 15-20 attendees.
Few players who do not receive offers at the second Junior Day ever receive one, even if the coaches may tell them that they will continue to evaluate their progress through the spring and summer. Only Galena Park North Shore receiver DeAndrew White attended the second Junior Day last year and eventually received an offer after leaving Austin without one. In fact, it's much more likely that the coaches will come upon a relatively unheralded player at a summer camp and offer them, as happened with Marshall linebacker Aaron Franklin last season.
Numbers from last year. There were 23 attendees at the second Junior Day last year, with only nine of those players receiving offers -- Jake Matthews, Dominic Espinosa, Bryant Jackson, Chris Jones, Ashton Dorsey, Torrea Peterson, Traylon Shead, Greg Daniels, and Ross Apo and seven of those players committing soon after. Apo de-committed several months later after realizing he wanted to play with friend Jake Heaps at BYU and be closer to his mother in California. Those nine offers represented around 40% of the attendees, a number that will probably be lower this year.
It's also worth pointing out that Daingerfield receiver Chris Jones, whose stock soared after his commitment and his impressive junior film came out, was completely under the radar and a surprise offer and commit. His story represents a triumph of evaluation for the coaching staff. Expect there to be another player like that this year.
2010 second Junior Day attendees:
Note: Players listed as possible recipients of offers but not commitments means they may still become Longhorns, but not this weekend.
- Daniel Lasco, The Woodlands running back -- His speed is without question and his film shows potential as a one-cut, plant-and-go zone runner, but there are probably too many questions about his frame and ability to run with good pad level for him to receive an offer, which would probably come as an athlete. Offer? No.
- Hakeem Flowers, Greenville (SC) wide receiver/athlete -- Apparently has some family in Texas and has offers from all across the country, but it's hard to see the Longhorns offer him unless it is as an athlete because the numbers are so tight. It's conceivable that he leaves Austin without an offer. Offer? No.
- Marquis Jackson, Fort Worth Arlington Heights wide receiver/athlete/defensive back -- With numbers tight at receiver, would probably be offered as a defensive back after several members of the coaching staff watching him lock down Darius White last fall. The question is, would he be willing to play defense with most teams recruiting him as a receiver? Offer? Possible. Commitment? Probable.
- Taylor Chappell, Canadian offensive lineman -- Could be the under the radar offer in this group. Big kid at 6-6, 270 pounds, but plays in the lowest classification in the Panhandle and that could hurt him. Offer? No.
- Garrett Greenlea, Klein Collins offensive tackle -- The commitment of Sedrick Flowers should not alter the plan with him and he's simply too talented and too tough at the point of attack not to offer him. Will probably come down to Texas and Oklahoma if the Longhorns offer. Offer? Yes. Commitment? No.
- Matthew Hegarty, Aztec (NM) offensive tackle -- An elite athlete at the position, Hegarty is a perfect fit for both the zone blocking scheme Texas employs and for a spread passing team. Texas looks to be in excellent shape with Hegarty, but watch out for Notre Dame. Plans on waiting until the end of the summer to make a decision. Offer? Yes. Commitment? No.
- James Castleman, Amarillo defensive tackle -- Probably on the outside looking in with offers out to Marquis Anderson and Quincy Russell already. Offer? No.
- Lance Skyler, Lancaster defensive end -- Another position where numbers are incredibly tight. Offer? No.
- Kendall Thompson, Carthage linebacker -- A poor man's Steve Edmond with a similar frame and similar production. An offer would probably come as a defensive end. Offer? Possible. Commitment? Probable.
- Eric Agbaroji, Midlothian cornerback -- Fell on the Texas board after struggling through a knee injury as a junior. Offer? No.
- Charles Jackson, Klein Collins cornerback -- A little on the small side at 5-9, Jackson is in strong contention for one of the last two offers to go out to a cornerback in the class. Offer? Possible. Commitment? Probable.
- Franklin Shannon, Dallas Skyline safety -- Just don't see it with him on film and he may end up at linebacker in college if he continues to put on muscle mass. May not attend. Offer? No.
- Nick Shepard, Houston Cy Ridge safety -- The younger brother of Russell Shepard. Reportedly a big hitter, but the Longhorns probably have a guy like Quandre Diggs ahead of him on their board and Avery Walls is still a possibility for an offer and Shepard may end up at cornerback in college anyway. Offer? No.
- LaDarius Brown, Waxahachie athlete -- Virtually the same player as Mykkele Thompson and there are rumors circulating about grade issues. If he was the top target, he would have been at the first Junior Day. Offer? No.
- Quandre Diggs, Angleton athlete -- It took some time for Diggs to grow on me, but he's extremely versatile and could play on offense or defense and wants to play defensive back -- there are no concerns that he won't buy into playing defense if asked to do so. Plus, he's Quentin Jammer's brother and he's known the staff for most of his life. Offer? Yes. Commitment? Yes.
Players who will not attend the second Junior Day:
- Brandon Williams, Brookshire-Royal running back -- Committed to Baylor. Was not a lock for an offer, but quickly shot up the rankings after the release of his incredible junior film. Looks more like Adrian Peterson than any other running back since AD himself. Rumors now circulating that he may begin to take other visits. Keep an eye on this one.
- Herschel Sims, Abilene running back -- Decided not to attend the second Junior Day and apparently has not heard much from the coaching staff ($) recently and that lack of contact is the most likely reason that he will not visit.
- Devon Hocutt, Killeen Ellison linebacker -- Once upon a time it looked like Hocutt was a strong candidate for an offer, but he just doesn't project as a linebacker in college and will not make it in for the second Junior Day. There is little chance that he receives a Texas offer at any point in the process.
- Trevon Randle, League City Clear Springs linebacker -- Committed to LSU. Great range, but lacks elite size for a linebacker.
- Kolby Griffin, Houston St. Pius X -- Committed to TCU. Long considered a lock if offered, Grififn may have fallen on the Texas board before deciding to head elsewhere.
- Josh Turner, Oklahoma City (OK) cornerback -- One of the top cornerbacks in the country, his basketball team needed to lose on Thursday evening for him to avoid playing a game on Saturday. Well, Millwood beat Marlow 102-16, so Turner will not be able to make it down to Austin for the second Junior Day. However, visiting is a major priority for him and he won't fall off the radar just because he isn't able to attend this weekend.
The Longhorns will finish the weekend with commitments from...
Quandre Diggs is the only player who is a lock to receive an offer and probably to commit, but Kendall Thompson could easily join him. The cornerback position will be the most interesting to keep an eye on, as Agbaroji and one of the Jacksons will amost certainly receive an offer and Marquis Jackson seems like the only one of the three who would not commit right away. There's a strong chance Texas ends the weekend with no more than 16 commitments.
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Thanks GOBR.
I would really love to see Diggs committ. Longhorn legacies that are Texas good should always be welcome. Poor Michael Brewer. Just judging by the offers Diggs has received (LSU, ‘Bama, USC) he sounds like a must take for Texas. If he is a legit 5’9’’ he’s just an inch shorter than Earl Thomas and could be the heir apparent.
by billfromlaketravis on Feb 26, 2010 7:53 AM CST reply actions
As I started to come around on Diggs as a player
the comparison to Earl Thomas and the fact that pure height isn’t as much of an issue at the safety position as it is at cornerback — safeties have to make fewer plays on jump balls — was one of the major things that sold me on him. Not sure if he eventually ends up at cornerback or safety, but Akina obviously prefers that versatility over anything else and I think that’s a major reason why Diggs will receive an offer.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not even sure that Earl is a legit 5'10"
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 26, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
I saw Earl at the Gap a few weeks ago.
I do not think he was 5’10", although he was slouching and wearing a Basball cap high on his head so it is hard to tell.
GOBR
with the offer rate so low, why do the coaches invite so many kids they know they won’t offer? Is there any real chance that a kid we don’t like enough to offer before the JR day blows the staff away without pads? It seems like it might induce some feelings of ill-will with players (and maybe coaches) that could be avoided.
Think they will have to evaluate that
They don’t do any workouts at the Junior Day, so there isn’t really a way for these kids to impress the staff. Honestly, I think the kids who come in knowing that they probably won’t receive an offer want the coaching staff to know that they are interested in the hopes that they may receive one later. Other than that, not really sure why they do, but I’m sure a few of them are flattered to be invited and want to take the opportunity to see the campus and spend some time with the coaching staff because most of them won’t have a chance like that again.
There is a risk that the staff can alienate players who don’t receive offers and you see a few kids every year who have invites but decide not to come because the coaches aren’t keeping in contact with them or basically tell them they won’t receive an offer. However, I think there is also risk of alienating kids by not inviting them, so it’s a difficult balance the staff must strike and the results indicate that they are doing an excellent job. If they feel like things aren’t working, they will change because Mack Brown has said in the past that they are constantly evaluating how they are doing things in recruiting.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
I also think it can help the recruits....
like if they don’t receive an offer…why not? What are things they can work on to make themselves get better and such. It’s nice to know what potential “employers” are looking for sometimes.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
There is also a chance it motivates some players
I’m sure some feel that way when they don’t get an offer but I’m sure the ones who really want that offer work towards getting it rather than pouting.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
If they want a Texas offer
They need to come to the Junior day and talk to the coaches about what they can do to improve and also to confirm their interest in Texas. Everyone of them probably has the potential to go back and impress the heck out of the coaches with an awesome senior year and get that offer. The chances are slim, but they are at least on the watch list.
A La A Darn Good Dallas Area WR we signed in 2010
Davis did not receive an offer until he blew the doors off the competition his Sr. year.
And then reinitiated the contact with Texas coaching staff.
by Displaced Longhorn on Feb 26, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
There is always the chance of an offer down the line
What if Texas top targets were to commit somewhere else. We would need players and good players to take up the rest of the scholarships.
Just keeping some doors open if you ask me.
"The best decision I ever made was coming to Texas," James said. "The second-best decision was coming back."
I agree
I don’t see anything wrong with inviting more kids to Junior Days than you are going to offer. These coaches are constantly evaluating and really, all of these kids still have a senior year of football to play. There can be huge jumps made in that year that could align them for an offer. Not to mention, we experienced two de-commits last year. Texas definitely doesn’t just take a player to have a warm body but it leaves our doors open to the possibility of it happening.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
It probably also helps some of these guys out in their recruitment elsewhere. It may make an Alabama, USC, TCU, ect take notice. “Hmm, if that guy is good enough for Texas to look at, he’s probably good enough for us to look at.” . I’m sure we do the same thing to a ceratain extent.
Kind of like the saying that all publicity is good publicity.
OLine
Hegarty will be offered and Greenlea won’t. That will piss a few people off. Watch Hegarty’s film and you’ll see he has a ways to go in the strength department. That’s not the issue with Greenlea.
The staff’s actions in the Oline recruitment does not reflect Mack’s signing day talk of having the 2011 O Linemen ready to go as freshmen.
Flowers is ready
Westerman could well be ready. I think Greenlea could be, but who else is there who is ready?
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Not sure if Cochran/Doyle/Hegarty offer anything that Greenlea doesn’t, but Greenlea is the most college ready.
If he doesn't get an offer
then I think there is reason for concern, but I see him getting one.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Charles Jackson
When a guy who Gerry Hamilton calls the best pure corner in the state doesn’t list any offers, you can bet UT won’t be offering.
"Nice" show of class on your avatar there buddy..nt
by vy til i die on Feb 26, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Good catch.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see how hakeem flowers can leave without
Getting an offer. I think he’s too talented NOT to offer. At least..I hope
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 10:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He's another guy really similar to Thompson
and Brown. I don’t think there is enough room to offer someone else at wide receiver, so if he gets an offer it would have to be as an athlete/defensive back.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I thought he projects better at safety
Than DB? still think that we addressed our positions of need(offers at RB, solid oline class) and now we should pad the class with some big time talent.
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just don't see why
He would come all the way here to not get an offer.
"The best decision I ever made was coming to Texas," James said. "The second-best decision was coming back."
I agree.
If his talent is on that elite-level how can you not give him an offer. You can tell him that space is limited so there might be a chance that spots fill up before he is willing to commit. But a guy with his talents must get an offer!
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
I'm not adept at rating players by skill
but I excel at the link between a player’s name and his skills. Hakeem Flowers is a phenomenon. Hakeem is nothing short of awesome, and may suggest he has some sort of “dream shake” move or can make incredible catches in meaningless bowl games in North Carolina. Is the H pronounced? Screw you, I will crush you.
Flowers changes everything, though. Does he have a soft side, such as “I’ll run you over but help you up?” Maybe it just means he has soft hands, a soft heart, and a soft girlfriend. But maybe it means he will BLOSSOM on your face. What a spectrum.
It is difficult to tell at this point, so we will wait for a possible name change or just focus more on the actual evaluation of his skills.
1st of all - wtf
2nd of all – watch sedrick FLOWERS’s tape. dude would be a venus fly trap if he had to be a plant. unless theres some type of man eating tree, then he would be that
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Kendall Thompson
Why would we offer Thompson a DE spot and not Nathan Hughes? Isn’t Cedric Reed supposed to be deciding soon?
by Hook_'em_Horns on Feb 26, 2010 10:44 AM CST reply actions
Hughes isn't an edge rusher particularly
and Thompson would be, presumably. Hughes plays defensive end in a 3-4 and that’s where he would probably project in college as well, along with sliding inside to play some situational three tech. He’s probably over 240 right now and could probably play at 260 or more pretty easily when he gets done growing.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I predict that someone you expect to get an offer will not, and someone who is completely off the radar will get an offer and commit.
by miketag on Feb 26, 2010 10:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Really going out on a limb there, aren't you?
Care to be more specific?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 26, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I'll trade you that thought
for Jake Matthews.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Bad call, ref
Mack and Akina look really pissed off in that picture
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions
Are we going to get Malcolm Brown and/or A. Green?
All this RB talent and we only have a a commit from Bergeron who is really a FB. I wonder if there is a pretty good chance on Brown, but if not, shouldn’t we be going hard on Williams. And if we aren’t getting Green (who is a Nebraska lean to follow his brother) why aren’t we going after Sims or Marquez? I don’t want to miss on this RB talent this year.
I really like Sims
and I think not going after him hard is a big mistake. He’ll be a great player for somebody, likely OU. To me Bergeron over Sims makes no sense. We have plenty of fullbacks/big backs.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Big difference between a big back and fullback
I’ve never seen anything of Whaley or Shead to indicate that either should be blocking for anyone else. Bergeron has drawn pretty positive reviews about his blocking and receiving ability. Whaley and Shead are big guys, but I think it’s a stretch to say that they’re fullbacks like Bergeron is probably going to be.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 26, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
We’ll see how the new offensive scheme flushes out. If we really do use a blocking fullback I’m all for it.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Ya but we never use a fullback cept in goal line situations
And wen we do it’s dam near ALWAYS a DT playing it
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Depends on the offense
The offense fluctuates according to the QB. Now that there’s a different QB, the opportunity exists to perhaps give the RB a lead blocker in some sets.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Mack mentioned in the press conference
that the ‘big backs’, Johnson and Whaley, would be cross-trained as H-backs. I can’t help but think Traylon Shead might get the same next year, probably not his freshman year unless he redshirts. Bergeron probably gets fullback/H-back cross training also. That’s why I said above I wasn’t sold on Bergeron over say Herschel Sims because there seems to be plenty of depth building at the H-back spot.
But after thinking about it Bergeron at fullback gives you the option of a (1) a true lead blocker, (2) motioning him out to the H-back spot, (3) sending him out into a pass pattern, (4) leaving him in to pass block and sending the tailback out into a pass pattern or (5) handing him the football. I’m sure there are other iterations but the point is he provides a lot of options with his ability to run, block and catch the ball. Also placing him in motion doesn’t telegraph run or pass.
CoachEtch or GoBR might be able to correct me/elaborate but I like the options that a fullback provides. My point above was that we already have Matthews, Whaley, Johnson, Dominque Jones and probably Shead at some point training at the H-back spot. But I agree now that Bergeron’s overall versatility-size, speed, strength, blocking ability-are too much to pass on. Love it when you guys get me to change my mind.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
You are right on
From what Mack said, I don’t think we will see a FB in the truest sense. I think they are really pushing towards versatility out of that position and it is really more of an H-back. With that being said, there is only a thin line between defining one as a FB and an H-back. I think they are looking more to implement true H-backs so they are not only capable of flexing out, running pass patterns but also motioning into the backfield as lead blockers.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I really think Mack Feels his Chance with Brown Is Strong
I am trusting Mack, due to his incredible recruiting track record, and the only explanation I can think of for not pursuing Sims/Williams harder is that he feels that Malcolm is a strong Texas lean. The recruitment of Green will be tricky, as I really think Mack would offer Malcolm the “sign only 1 RB” deal – but wouldn’t back off Brown if Green were to sign first.
I Wouldn't Do The One Back Deal This Year
Too much talent. If we can 2 of these top 4 then it would be crazy to pass on one of them, especially if Brown were in the mix. there is no other true big man wiht his talent and the only other choices would be the breakaway speed guys. Plus we need to take as many of these guys off the shelf as we can.
Marquez is probably an OU lock
and I’m not a huge fan anyway.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
That is a heck of a basketball score...
by TheElusiveShadow on Feb 26, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions
I think Millwood
is one of the best teams in the state.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Completely forgot until now
that Greg Daniels was another under the radar guy last year who received an offer and committed. Adjusted the numbers.
Do We Have A Legit Shot at Green?
I’m kind of in the same camp as Wrangler here. He sure talked Nebraska up big in some early AMP vids I saw and kind of spurned Austin as being too big.
I would love to see Green and Brown come in. We need a breakaway speed guy to go with these big bruisers.
Legitimate shot, yes
The leader? No. With all his comments about wanting to play in a “pro-style offense” I think the commitment of Bergeron and the move to more of an under center, H-back driven offense really benefits the Longhorns with Green.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
"H-back driven"?
Like with Dave Thomas, you mean?
By the way, I’m curious about a few offers Scout.com lists for UT. They were wrong about at least one guy last year who was listed as having a UT offer, so I’m betting this is more of the same, but I hadn’t heard about offers to RB Isaiah Crowell (Carver HS, Columbus, GA) or Anthony Wallace. I think I’ve seen several people say Wallace didn’t get one, so I’m guessing that’s the case. What about Crowell and Cedric Reed, who is also listed as having an offer?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 26, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Scout apparently will just report what prospects say
without doing any critical thinking about it or really understanding what’s going on. Crowell may be on the fringes of the radar and could receive some serious attention if things don’t work out with Green or Brown, but he does not have an offer. Reed was in for the first Junior Day and has an offer.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Like GoBR said
I have found Scout to be the least credible source for anything. If I am correct, their ownership situationis in flux right now so I would take everything from there with a grain of salt.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
They do seem to be in danger
of completely losing their market share. Witness both Inside Texas and the Gerry Hamilton/Bobby Bragg combination leaving Scout in less than a year and no replacements yet even though the Texas Scout site has essentially had no one running it since September.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I can't understand it either
He is also from Madison which is a huge high school. He seems like a really nice low key kind of guy though. I wonder if the more and more he thinks about it that the “close to home” may start to appeal to him. Also he will have lots of friends from Madison at UT so he should have a good comfort level. Let’s hope that the 2 hour trip back to home and hanging with lots of high school friends helps tip the scale.
I think the longer it goes the better it is for Texas in this scenario
He never really said anything to endearing about us so the longer it goes on the more he will think about us.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Sometimes a guy from a big high school doesn't want to go to the most enormous college
Big difference from 2-3K and 40-50K. And he may not like cities at all. He’s a kid, so he probably didn’t choose to live in San Antonio. I know a lot of people who live in cities who really hate living in cities.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 27, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Are we not going after Trey metoyer
Or was he a 1st day guy?
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 1:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Too much of an OU lock?
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Probably
He also got suspended from the Whitehouse basketball team for a brief time because of grades. I obviously don’t have access to his transcripts, but it’s possible that his grades are an issue and I hesitate to speculate on that because I don’t like to without more information, but a suspension of any type for grades raises some red flags.
by GhostofBigRoy on Feb 26, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ah
So ou is probably a great fit
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Feb 26, 2010 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't know much about recruiting, but ...
…why do they invite so many players when the chances of making them an offer are so low, or non-existent in some cases?
In-VINCE-able.
well its not nonexistent
but
a) keeps channels of communication open with the player and the area the player lives
which could affect future recruting.
b) gives the team a chance to look at different players and maybe see talent there that video just doesnt show.
c) bodies during practice
dont know much abt recruiting but this would be my guess
Big Mack Surprise
I say Mack shocks the world – gets up to 20 and saves the rest of recruiting for Brown, Westerman, Rasco, Green, and Hegarty
Somewhere in there
We’re still 2 over the 85 limit I believe, that has to be reduced by August through further attrition. We’ll have 16 scholarship seniors next year so assuming we lost 4 more next year through attrition/grades that would give us room for 20. Inexact math but I’ve heard 18-22 mentioned several times.
"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 26, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
don't forget early NFL departures
A. Williams is one candidate.
I think this class (2011)
easily tops 20 and could approach 25, but for now 21-22 is a safe number. Attrition always claims 2-3 players; that number rises with early-outs to the NFL.
I expect attrition between now and July to total 4-5; that’ll allow the coaches to put 2-3 seniors on one-year scholarships, and will boost the “senior class” total to 18 or 19. That’s exactly what happened this past year. Attrition claimed Webber, McGaskey, Marshall and Wilcoxsin between spring training and the start of summer camp. Three seniors went on scholarship. The class was originally 14 (Norton redshirted, reducing it by one), and the senior scholarship total ended up being 16.
And we still signed 25 players three weeks ago.

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